this september the scots rejected the idea of leaving the u.k..paign had been hard-fought, with polls suggesting things were going to be close. in the hopes of persuading scotland to stay in the union, the three main parties at westminster made a pledge during the campaign by gordon brown. the morning after the referendum david cameron said that he wanted to look at the powers of the rest of the u.k. and stop scottish mp's from voting on english matters. that upset labor. opening a commons debate william hague argued there was a call for change. >> >> make no mistake, the need is palpable and serious, and across the united kingdom, we must find that for settlement. delay is not an option. >> the debate quickly turned to what is known as the west question, the ability of scot mps to go on laws affecting england while england's mps cannot vote on devolved decisions. >> our constituents feel that too many decisions are london-cen this is the problemtric. with english laws. it does not take power near its peak. >> these issues are not mutually exclusi

in scots value you will have big delays. delays.y way around it is to use to tell -- >> amy hollyfield is in the east bay. you have seen some heavy showers, amy? >>> yes, there were heavy showers, kristen. at highway 24, we are headed next to the caldecott tunnel traffic is moving fine and timing is everything. just a few hours ago there was a small rock slide. some small boulders landed in the slow lane westbound direction. there was in accident and not many cars. that was the good news. they cleared it and they are worried about the hillsides because they are wet have be absorbed so of rain the last few days. san francisco overnight, video was shot a few hours ago and viewers were sleeping but the rain was coming down soaking egg. the streets and the hillsides and we have video from san rafael, the north by, heavy rain coming down. everything is nice and wet for the commute. officials say they are not experiencing any major problems right now so they are happy to report that. they are asking everyone to be careful this morning. do

torturers scot-free. wiretappers, scot-free. so it's very clear that we have to have a fair rule of law. i'm not against police. i'm not against rule of law. i just want to make it fair and just. >> i read something recently that interested me a lot. i wonder what your take is on this. ell ellis coes wrote about this, his take is that the civil rights tradition of the '50s and the '60s, the demand for changes in the law and a demand to the overt segsegregation, that mind doesn't really work in the present day, in the united states, because it's not so much a question of changing the laws, it's a question of changing people's mindsets, attitudes, particularly towards young black men, who he says in the media, in the entertainment business are routinely demonized. so if it's not a question of changing laws, but changing people's hearts and minds, attitudes, how do you do that? >> well, i mean, that's a wonderful question. i'm here actually for the 50th anniversary of my uncle max's debate. he talked about not just changing the law

not only was the scots law not a foregone conclusion, the scots should have won the case and8if easilysouri law in the missouri courts. by the numbers, roughly 300 cases were filed in st. louis involving 239 litigants. slightly more lawsuits than litigants because some filed suit more than once. i've assembled 170 signatures of the freedom litigants here from the case files that we've been able to discover in the store rooms. st. louis -- of the st. louis courtroom. moving because of what these signatures represent they were made by persons for bid ep to read or right by missouri law and this was the first time they had ever held a pen. this is their signature indicating their agency. more than 100 times, the st. louis circuit court responded to their claims with the prerks words declaring that the plaintiff was forever free from their putative master and all claiming under him. for the most part they were familym"!v affairs. whether the litigants jointly in tandem or succession, most were clusters of families. a total of 160 of the 239 were clustered in 38 identifiable families and ho

they did -- decided to have a poll about the greatest scot. they included many patriots of scotland. well, john muir did not win this exercise, but title went to his favorite poet. so he really won. robert burns. john muir would have approved. he treasured burns all of his life. in writing about robert burns, john muir could wax elegantly when he was describing trees or glaciers. he wrote, "his lessons of divine love and sympathy to humanity, which he preached in his poems and sent forth white-hot from his heart, has gone ringing and singing around the globe, stirring the hearts of every nation and race." so no wonder the appreciation for john muir in the land of his birth is increasing. this is part of scotland's homecoming celebration. the country celebrated a year-long john muir festival, with a series of special events, programs, and enterprises, all focused on bringing john muir home to his birthplace in scotland. one of their major efforts was to establish a walking and cycling route in scotland named in john muir's honor. they were goin

for you is whether this report means a lot of allies evidencing chris christie is now politically scot-free>> as we say here, so not. they didn't talk to five of the key people. >> the five key people. >> the grand jury is humming along. there is talk there could be indictments from the prosecutor's early in the year. i am not saying they will indict governor christie but this thing is not over until the grand jury, the federal grand jury says what they will do. you can bet that even the prosecution does not speak if they are indicted, these people will someday talk. >> this was a long time ago. we talked a lot about this. what people are focusing on is not whether chris christie ordered the lane closings or if he knew about it. there was an extraordinary press conference where he said he knew nothing about any of it right before he actually fired people. i think if there are indictments, especially if there are, we are going to still find out it is possible there is a cultural thing here. something was thinking about this regardless of anything was criminal or a chris christie knew about i

down towards santa cruz, there, scots valley, headed down towards the 101 corridor. we are not done just yet. if you're thinking about traveling, want to get up to tahoe action there, still have that winter storm warning posted south of lake tahoe, but even still, conditions are really going to be treacherous over the next 12 hours. tomorrow things will start to clear out. if you can wait until saturday morning, you can get out and travel through clear skies all the way there, but today, rainy activity will continue through 4:00, 5:00, then after that here in the bay area, a little bit of a break from the heavy rain, but we'll still get the spotty activity. look what happens over towards sacramento, the sierra, heavy rain is headed that way. that's why if you can leave tomorrow, that would be better. even through 7:00 tonight, spotty shower activity. the good news, yes, there is some, we will see dry conditions for saturday and both for sunday, so if you have the weekend off, looking real good across the bay area, but our next storm system, that arrives late sunday n

i lot of my neighbors have expressed concerns about the traffic signals proposed at peer son scot and elsewhere on haight i've always seen traffic signals as a safety measure and i don't think there's things that people should be afraid of you know if they are properly managed certainly we want to make sure the timing doesn't allow speeding of cars and lastly relating to traffic signals one thing we'd like to ask staff to look at is a management of traffic signals to do a pilot essentially of managing a traffic signal where normally it would be flashing red essentially the equivalent of a stop sign but that would again could be preempted as transit comes along you know to provide a solid red on cross streets i think a pilot like that is warranted could be valid on haight and fulton and we'd like to see that and you will be getting a letter on that thank you. >> good evening or good afternoon it's almost evening. i say that i'm concerned at putting traffic lights may encourage jay walking right now certain streets have stop signs and allows for the free movement of pedestrians a lot of

goes back to the very issue that is now going on at on at bbi in a meeting with supervisor farrell scot sanchez from city planning and joseph did joseph duffy we have gone over the issues and they have assigned someone from dbi to review the entire situation of the multiple permits and piecemeal and to bring it all under one umbrella. this is what the supreme court called for in such cases. we believe this should go forward as quickly as possible and they have submit to city planning checking for city entitlements and notifications need to be given they will be given and reviewed with their own engineers. the underground streams in the area we all have and there's water pooling in many of our homes in fact at the moor head's home on fill bert street. what is going to happen to in fact to our own foundations as a result so we are requesting you today to help us preserve historical assets and resources in san francisco. bring the building back to its exterior envelope under the agreement to remain in tact no one is against the project sponsor and interior development of her building but w

the store will be closed, according to the manager and if you have a prescription here you can go to scots valley location or santa cruz. they are making sure that any patients who had medication that is due today or timely will be notified to pick up their medication at other locations. they are waiting for engineers to survey and assess the damage. the power to the building is out and next to the safeway. >> the thunderstorms brought flashes of lightning and crashes of thunder to the bay area and if san francisco an impressive show of lighting. marin county got their share of the storm, as well. this is the lighting across the sky showing the rain is not letting up. >> and two lanes of traffic 101 in petaluma were flooded with c.h.p. closing the southbound lane of 101 at the lakeville highway off-ramp because 4-6" of standing water on the highway. the lanes have just re-opened watch out. the cars are splashing when they drive through. cars and trucks have been ignoring the warning signs. you can see they are driving right through the water on the closed rain. >> the rain came down in dal

>> we have a sig-alert at the santa cruz mountains so if you travel between scots valley and san jose expect major delays all lanes, northbound and southbound, are shut down along highway 17. this is where a tree fell in the road and it took power lines with it with no estimate when it will re-open this morning. the sig-alert is in affect and traveling along highway 17 all going to be pits. to the north, this is in san jose, northbound 101 we have solo crash spinout. it is slippery. just be cautious. the travels continuing in the northbound direction beyond 880 to the san jose airport. clear. >> it is enjoy 4:50. skype is going multilingual. >>> in the tech bytes, skype is allowing people to video conference in different languages. >> first is english and spanish and they hope to cover as many languages as possible. >> if being the first on the block with apple watch is not enough, this is top quality diamonds in eight rows, and then gold or platinum. they are taking pre-orders now for june deliver so get in get it now and get your pennies together. the cost is $30,000. have a great d

. >> tim was a bit of a trumpet prodigy growing up in scots valley. his talent eventually finding a home for 20 years in the orchestra of the san francisco opera where tim rose to the position of principal trumpet player. but in 2003, doctors said increasing pressure in his eyes had led to glaucoma. and when he played, that pressure rose. >> that could be a risk for blindness early in life if you don't stop playing the trumpet. >> and with that, tim's career was over. he spent the next decade focused on raising his two sons, not even picking up his trumpet until years later, while trying to get certified as a music teacher. tim, not realizing how much he missed it until he had an audience. a woman who had wandered in to watch him practice. >> i could watch the emotional in her psyche. as i play my concerto to her. and she is just thrilled. and i realize right then what it is to be a musician and to move their hearts. >> you have a good ear for hearing when it goes up and down. nice job. >> and it is just what tim wanted to provide his students when he

. >> pg&e says at the peak there were 33 outages affecting 510 customers predominantly in the scots valley area. >>> there were public trance it problems this morning, in san francisco the van ness muni station is back open after floodwaters from the street slowed down movement an the station. the station was closed until 7:00. >> bart is back to full service after a report of smoke on the track at embarcadero prompting bart to shut down causing major delays through the transbay tube and beyond. it is not clear what caused the smoke or if it was related to the stormy wealth. >> the rain made for a pretty rainbow in oakland along i-580 near lake shore avenue. we would love to see pictures that you have taken, e-mail them to us at ureport@kgo-tv.com. or post them on our facebook page or share them with us at twitter@abc7newsbayarea. >>> san francisco police are investigating a shooting involving an off-duty officer. amy hollyfield joins us with the story. amy? >>> a man want on a crime spree at 6:00 a.m. here that ended when he picked the wrong victim, an off-duty san francisco police office

but he didn't get off scot- free.he skin on his hands is torn off. >> the fire department guys are just tremendous. >> he likes you guys a lot now. >> he is a great man. >> reporter: although yesterday he almost died here, today mr. godwin is doing much better. but doctors caution, it could be as much as six months before he has full use of his hands again. in novato, don ford, kpix 5. >>> a tragedy in sacramento county. a 12-year-old boy took his own life this week after friends say he was a target of bullying. ronan had previously attended folsom middle school but friends say he was made fun of for being the only male cheerleader. he was recently being homeschooled because of the bullying. but the damage was already done. >> i didn't really see why people would tease him because he was so nice. >> you shouldn't do that. if that was you, you wouldn't like it. [ crying ] >> the school district confirms ronan's family did report he was being bullied on more than one occasion. officials say they followed protocol in dea

. >> but the debate quickly turn to what is known as the ability of scots mps at westminster to vote on laws affecting england when english mps can vote on similar issues. >> our constituents feel that too many decisions are london centered and they want more power closer to them. is it a problem with the english laws that it changes the job description of members in this house but doesn't actually take take. >> i would say these issues are not mutually exclusive. it is entirely possible to believe there should be virtual autonomy at the local level including for her constituents in mind that if she is talking as she did at the beginning about what people feel about this i think she will have to acknowledge that they also feel that whether it be in yorkshire or county durham scottish members should no longer be voting on those matters that are being evolved to scotland. >> the debate featured the former labor prime minister gordon brown. he made what became known as the vow, timetable for powers to beat the ball. he rejected english votes for english laws. >> we cannot have one unite

muir is a scot. like a lawyer, he liked to argue a little bit. he argued with his other friends as well. -- essayist john wasoughs, from new york, widely read, as john muir was in their time. they argued all the time, waxuse muir would eloquently about nature and burroughs would want to stay in his little home town and go birding around the fields and meadows, the local farms. they were constantly in a tug-of-war about how best to appreciate nature. they went on the harriman expedition together and had a number of little arguments. they were friends. you see pictures in pasadena, sitting together. they had a jovial time. muir did have some famous friends. >> in thinking about the yosemite valley today, and the meadows being trampled, do you have any thoughts on how we go about preserving wilderness and enabling people to enjoy or experience it, and also protect it from overuse or degradation? >> in john muir's time, he did not foresee there would be 4 million visitors a year to yosemite valley. when it was first proposed to have automobiles in th

according to a united nations study, scots are three times more likely to be the victim of violent assaultin america. some call scotland the knife murder capital of europe. >> that's a pretty nasty slash. >> part of the lifestyle? >> michael is one of the many who have been on the wrong side of the blade. he has just arrived at shotts to begin a six-year sentence for assault and robbery. >> okay, tell me, what happened to your face? >> one guy got banged in the face, one guy got slashed and the guy that got slashed was me. >> we quickly learned that shotts is full of young men whose lives have been put on hold due to knife violence and for many of them, like 22-year-old adam gallagher, the violence was fueled by a combination of alcohol and drugs. >> i stabbed people, i slashed people, i scolded people. that was the only way for me to survive. >> gallagher came to prison four years ago on a murder charge. he claims he didn't know his girl friend stole a drunken man's wallet. when the man pursued them, gallagher struck. >> he more or less collapsed straight away. and we ran away. we got cau

. >> whether you get to walk away scot-free, he doesn't get to blame that the situation on somebody else. he's goingaround saying the world is better, it's safer, if you ask people and you poll them, people have large national security concerns. they're very worried when you poll people coming out of the national election, they're worried about syria, they're worried about afghanistan, they're worried about the fact that people are beheading american journalists. i don't know if this president gets it. >> can i speak? given that it's the christmas season, i don't like to have to do this, i want to speak to the audience tonight for republicans and conservatives, and let me say that most republicans and most conservatives according to almost every poll think it's time for us to get out of afghanistan. and they join with democrats on this point. and when it comes to nation building and staying until, oh, gee, they have every school, every road paved, everyone is safe. that's not our issue. these folks here, i don't know what they're representing. but for conservatives, we say enough. >> you

that for the authorities, it was not very acceptable to release me at the end of my term, that is scot-free without any further obligations, yet they were not comfortable starting out a third case because society -- nobody in society was looking at this as something just and fair anymore. so, in this situation when you don't, on the one hand, want to release a person without any strings when the term ends, on the other hand you don't want to start up an obviously unpopular case society is not going to support, the humanitarian aspect became a good way out for everybody. we need to understand that if i had remained in jail after the start of the crimean events then, of course, i would remain there for life. >> charlie: why is that? because you didn't speak out? >> well, of course i wouldn't have kept silent but because the authorities in a situation when relations with the west are still already torn up has no point in having yet another headache in the person of me at large. >> charlie: you told me this in a conversation we had that someone from the outside had said to you -- and correct me

we do know today the store will remain closed and scots creek location is open as is the santa cruz location so anyone who may have had immediate needs with medication can go to one of the neighboring stores. they will be accommodated. i spoke with the manager about that. in santa cruz for abc7 news. >>> we have an update that leyla gulen is working on, on the van ness re-opening. but right new we have a lot of flooding. >> especially in san francisco where we see most of it. there are builts that are seeing some of the wet weather, too, as we go through the worst of it right now. you can see on live doppler hd the last push is going to be the hard of the push and the most dangerous and damaging push as we are seeing, also, or not see the power out powerages. if you are listening to us or watching on the radio, you can be up to date on what you need to know. the winds are kicking up and are fastest now through noon but at a level that could cause damage from noon until 4:00. they will taper quickly in the evening. you can see the tower is bouncing around because of the winds gusting up to 30

100 vehicles in bicycle directions having to be turned around if you travel from santa cruz through scots valley to get to silicon valley you will fine you will not be able to use highway 9 which is the only alternate unless you can temperature commute from home. there is no estimated when it will re-open. northbound and southbound highway 17 shut >>> get ready for the flu the new warning from a bay area doctor. >> a retailer nordstrom is in full damage control mode with a controversial posting of an employee made on social media and the response from the retailer. >> what did you google in 2014? the mountain view company reveals the top searches of the year. >> we have more weather and traffic all morning at we abc7 news and tail lights headed west news and tail lights headed west and the deck is dry at the most. >>> covering walnut creek, burlingame and all the bay area, this is abc7 news. >>> check out the beautiful shot, you are familiar with this, blue canyon and the snow is coming down. in watches. no warnings. just a nice gradual snow to add to the snow pack and it is only 41 perce

there were huge numbers of scots on these islands but they were presbyterians. as many complained there was virtually no organized presbytery though -- there had been baptists, quakers. the religious origins of these islands is as diversified as north america. but most of the quaker meetings had closed. so the church of england was really the only organized religion. and the the church of england of course, preached authority and obedience. i say that. i don't stress this too much because we should remember that washington and jefferson in terms of their own churchgoing were members of what was then the church of england, the anglican church was the official church of places like virginia and most places in the south. and many patriots were members of the church of england. but it may have had at least some influence that it was the only organized form of religion. now, i mentioned -- and this is really where i want to start to conclude -- that the war really involved the islands. this had a great impact on me. when i was researching for my current book, "the me

. >> reporter: meg ryan's character is almost right, a phrase from scots that loosely translates to timering past friendships and holding them close. the song has been a tradition since it was played on a 1929 new year's eve broadcast. more traditions come from overseas, an old irish custom with people banging the spread on doors and walls at midnight. the loud noises are supposed to ward off spirits. in africa they threw furniture out of their window starting as a way of marking a fresh start after apartheid. sometimes flying furniture hits people it's illegal. romanian farmers had a strange tradition, reportedly trying to communicate with their animals. if the farmers are successful it's considered a bad omen if not, a good one >>> coming up remembering the people who shaped our world and left us in the past year. >>> i'm david shuster in new york. coming up after "consider this" recovery mission, divers search off the coast of borneo for more wreckage of airasia >>> steve scalise gets support from his boss despite addressing a wight soup rem sift group years as soon as. -- years ago >

the scots voted to remain a part of the united kingdom. in other ways, everything changed. it was promised that scotland would get more devolution, visit of the smith commission. -- they set up the smith commission. they are proposing radical powers, particularly on taxation, giving the scottish parliament for more power over day-to-day event. what will happen is that over the next few months that will be knocked into legal parliamentary control. the aim is that when the new government comes into westminster in may of 2015, although the legislation will be on the statute book, they can take it off the shelf and services to legislation to give scotland more powers and we will pass it as a priority when the new government comes in. all of the three main parties the conservatives, the labor, and the liberal democrats, say they all want to do that and keep the momentum going. >> lsm and has stood down as leader but -- alex hammond has stood down as leader but he wants to come back to westminster. >> he is a big beast, he likes westminster and the environment of westminster. wha

so you got a great mixing in the united states as irish scots and singers people as well as people born in the united states for andrations, african-americans, but you find the same mix of peoples over in canada, and so often people's perception is not that they are fighting americans or british but that they are an irish , person living in america with british regiments and not living in canada. in september 1813, a british lieutenant visited an american army camp. he had a message to bring to the american commander, and it struck him as strange when he started meeting the officers and hearing their names. "strange indeed did it appear to me to find so many names familiar household words as enemies. the very names of officers in my own army. how uncomfortably like a civil war." he then bantered with an american officer who just returned from shooting birds. he said to the officer, "much pleasanter support than shooting one own's kindred?" a month later an atrocity by american troops led him to denounce the americans as deserving no mercy in battle. rascals, their worsen frenchman. [lau

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over the santa cruz mountains the drive from scots valley up to the summit and continuing into los gatos are tracking weather and traffic and the patch of bray is showing where the wet could affect the commute and a wide you have of san jose still at top speeds and accident free. >> straight ahead, seven things to know use start your day. >> the excitement building in new york as the city prepares for a royal visit. >> we all need a pet dog, but one target worker got his co-workers pumped up for black friday. >>> as you get your day into gear, the bay bridge toll plaza shows traffic moving fine and no rain and you can keep track of weather and traffic during the weather and traffic during the commercial break you've been part of this family for as long as i can remember. and you just mean so much to all of us. the holidays wouldn't be the same without your crescent rolls. we got you a little something. we got you jeans. it's about time. pipin' hot pillsbury crescent rolls. make your holidays pop! [ female announcer ] holiday cookies are a big job. everything has to be just right. perfect

. >> reporter: meg ryan's character is almost right, a phrase from scots that loosely translates to timeering past friendships and holding them close. the song has been a tradition since it was played on a 1929 new year's eve broadcast. more traditions come from overseas, an old irish custom with people banging the spread on doors and walls at midnight. the loud noises are supposed to ward off spirits. in africa they threw furniture out of their window, starting as a way of marking a fresh start after apartheid. sometimes flying furniture hits people, it's illegal. romanian farmers had a strange tradition, reportedly trying to communicate with their animals. if the farmers are successful it's considered a bad omen, if not, a good one >>> coming up, remembering the people who shaped our world and >>> as we look forward to the new year, we look back at some notable people we lost. the icon irk voice of joe cocker was silenced after a battle with lung cancers. it was the latest for some important artistsers thinkers and leaders. antonio mora takes a look back. >>> white house press secretar

england, britain, wales, scot larngsd published in london in 1815. thought that was the first. it turns out the first was a man in america by mcclure, a am scotsman, who did a beautiful, totally inaccurate of the the appalachians in 1809. tongue shers in london in cheek saying perhaps we ought book.nd the title of my it's got to be the second map that changed the world. have mcclure doing the survey. geologists working in the west that discovered things that lured out people in the the to come out for pioneers and steer the wagons and the other wagons. farm d the gold, the lanld, the coal, or diamonds or found.r the geologists then the four great surveys that resident lincoln, you'd think he'd have his mind on other things ordered out of the ountry in the 1860s, which really finally told america what america was made of. so earth seemed to work quite well. water. early nce again, the american settlers on the east the largely got in to interior of the country by going up the rivers, the james and the rapohanoc and the hudson. inland, they all of them found rapids and waterfalls

the relentless and often intense efforts by judy and scots, the partners and associates and staff ofilbert llp law firm, that is where we are right now, they made me take the jacket off. i did not want to take it off. tim research capitol hill, gilles simon of s k knickerbocker has been inconceivable. senator patrick leahy of vermont has been instrumental in shepherding the arrival of this day. i want to thank all of the members of congress from all , such asthe aisle representatives chris van hollen and barbara lee, and numerous others who spoke up or visited me, subjected themselves to my ranting and helped me regain some of my weight. &m's in cuba, m melting your mouth, not in your hand. for all of you who tried to visit me and not able to, thank you for trying. i am at your service as soon as i have new teeth, and i hope they will be strong enough to make a difference. confusedde and community, ron helprin in particularly nsf at the jewish council, all of his staff and synagogues, schools, and other jewish, christian, and nationwide,nities thank you and god bless you. it was cruc

so -- so, the notion that people got away scot-free with committing these abuses is just mistaken. >>re almost out of time, but i do want to ask you, when you read this report and you go back to that day, those days, i know that the cia was under tremendous pressure and i know the cia was doing that people felt needed to be done to save lives and i understand the context and i understand that congress and the public were not so outraged at the time they wanted to be protected, but when you look back at the abuses and things that you acknowledge were abuses, are you embarrassed? does it bother you? >> well, i'm embarrassed and still disgusted with my colleagues who abide by the abuses, but the abuses were occasional. they were not the defining feature of the program. the program went on for seven years. >> how can you -- how can you say that waterboarding is not torture? i'm really confused by that because it just seems it's a mock execution. the person can't breathe. why is it not torture? >> well, listen, a lot of people feel that way, and i understand that, of course, that's torture

the issue that we encountered then is that the information i had, which was not only scots e-mails buther additional evidence in my possession, was outside the statute of code.tions of u.s. rico with davidre is that hoffman's investigation, new evidence can be unearthed and the hope is that if it falls within the statute of limitations, will defer to the department of justice. >> and you think it suggests that? >> definitely. >> what? >> i think the information i reviewed for the fbi in 2012 suggest the apa potentially was engaged for market touring related to its relationship with cia and white house officials and the construction of the truth thousand five presidents task force and psychological -- >> explain. >> the presidents task force on site eligible at the national security, which basically encoded in the apa policy the observations monitoring for the direct involvement role for psychologists in national security interrogations, which we now know involved at that time, torture. what we see from jim risen's report and e-mails i also reviewed, it is clear concealed contacts betwe

i mean, this is a really american story, this scots-irish migration. and then these people in turn populate areas of the south. and in a critical decision for the stevensons when they were living in kentucky, they chose to move into the free state of illinois. and, of course, their family history would have been entirely different had they stayed in the south, or even gone farther west into slave-holding states. c-span: what are we seeing right here on this cover? >> guest: this is a view of bloomington, which is the town... c-span: illinois. >> guest: bloomington, illinois, not indiana. i found that when i was going out to bloomington a great deal that that was always a big question in the airport. 'are you going to indiana or are you going to illinois?' this is the town that they moved to when they left kentucky and they stayed there for generations. buffie ives maintained the old family house until she died and this is a really important part of the stevensons' story. it's certainly something that adlai stevenson ii depended on. he always talked abo

so there are still people who feel does this mean the regime gets off scot-free, so that's part of the complications. sooner or later, i believe the only solution to syria is a political solution. >> charlie: i want to come to that, but, at the same time, it is argued here -- in fact, secretary hagel said to me, if we inflict damage on i.s.i.s. from the air or ground, it benefits assad. that's the reality of the battleground. >> yes, but don't forget that i think it was their strategy, the syrian regime over the past year and a half, not to hit the extremist units. they were hitting the moderate units, allowing sort of the extremist groups to gain ground to create atrocities so that they could win the p.r. battle. >> charlie: you have been asked this many times. how serious a mistake will history record the failure to support several years ago the moderate forces in syria before i.s.i.s. had the traction and the power it now has? >> well, the problem is, i think, that from the northern border, a lot of the equipment was going from the very beginning to the more extremist units and not