. >> sherd: jay sekulow, the president's lawyer. another lawyer for the president said sekulow was uninformed when he made those stateme that actually the president did indeed dictate the memo back in the day, just as they said in the memo to the special counsel in january. let's get to john roberts. not sure what to do with this, john. the lawyers say one thing. the white house press secretary says anoter. somebody is lying. we're not sure who it is. >> the statement that you just played from jay sekulow was july 12, 2017. this letter was sent on january 29th, 2018 to robert mueller. as written by jay sekulow and his assistant. he said in july that the president didn't dictate it. then he and his assistant is were the 20-page memo that was delivered to robert mueller january 29 saying that he did dictate that. you point out that sarah huckabee sanders didn't have anything to say about it today. the communications and press teams haveains to wall themselves off from the russia investigation. it's a legition to ask sarah sanders. loo

was it sekulow? was it sanders?o have lied in the scenario, she's the mouthpiece putting up the communicating, she wasn't there, or part of the strategy. it seems really farfetched something as simple and obvious on what he did on that plane with this group could be misunderstood. fair point? >> yes, it's a fair point. i don't think there's any misunderstanding here.n see fro text train that's already public, how much of the discussion of the trump legal team was involved in trying to prepare this false statement. whether sanders knew whether he dictated it or not, the statement she made it gives the appearance of trying to dump down the president's role. he did whatever a father would do for his son. i don't know how much sanders knew or didn't know, but what i have seen in the pattern, is you see fabrication after fabrication from this president. and you see sarah sanders and kellyanne conway, saying what they say. >> that's why i'm sitting here. congressman thank you for making an appearance. don lemon standing b

you heard the statements jay sekulow just made, right? before he said that, he had written this memo to mueller saying -- >> right, he wrote the memo -- >> my client drafted the response to the trump tower meeting. on tv, he says, no. he may be facing state bar issues, jay sekulow and someone should bring this up for investigation at the state bar. >> joyce, let me let you jump in on that. so, jay sekulow, as frank points out, is one of the authors of this memo, we believe, or he was at least co-counsel with john dowd. he wrote in this memo that the president dictated the statement when he media started asking. we now know that he was lying at the time that he made those statements to the press. we don't know if he's the one that directed sarah huckabee sanders to lie from the podium, but he could have been someone she reached out to. what sort of predicament does that create for jay sekulow? >> it's a serious predicament, and every state bar takes this function of self-policing its members very seriously, so he may face charges actually

sekulow was wrong, she was wrong. how did these people not know? >> i have no idea how they got it wrong. but they got it wrong. i don't think either one of them is ever going to deliberately lie. i know the president isn't. he didn't do anything wrong. so why -- a lot of this discussion, unfortunately, is like law school debating. the main fact is, this began as an investigation of colluding with the russians. he didn't collude with the russians. nobody has found any evidence that he did. >> the second part is true. >> all this other stuff about obstruction, dah dah dah,can't was never committed. >> that's a very favorable hypothetical to you. the investigation is ongoing. we don't have what they have. you know that there is absolutely no dispositive proof that a president can't obstruct justice. in fact to the extent that we have had opinions, we have had supreme court findings, the opposite is the truth, that is common sense, not just law. no man is above the la including the president. >> chris, i didn't write the letter. i agree with about 70

. >> reporter: one month earlier, sekulow strongly refuting the claim the multiple times in july after it was revealed that donald trump jr. took the meeting with the promise of getting dirt on hillary clinton, not as he initially said to discuss adoptions. >> i wasn't involved in the statement drafting at all, nor was the president. the president didn't sign off on anything. i want to be clear the president wasn't involved in the drafting of the statement and did not issue the statement. it came from donald trump jr. >> reporter: giuliani arguing that the shifting explanations are just another reason the president shouldn't testify. >> i think jay was wrong. this is the reason you didn't let the president testify, if the recollection keeps changing. >> reporter: giuliani making the argument that the president can pardon himself but he won't because, one, it raises two questions, one, why would the president with pardoning himself since they have maintained he hasn't done anything wrong, and two, it's not clear that he would be impeached because so far the republican-led congress has n

he said things that probably weren't true to jay sekulow. and you see a pattern here of the president lying, at least in these three cases you noted, would that not raise alarms for you? >> whether it does or it doesn't, the president did not obstruct justice by firing james comey. shaoe not have leaked the memos. he may have violated the law. my feelings personally, and i have been around him a lot, i support what the president's policies are, i would have a problem in general -- you wouldn't have me on the show if they were investigating obama. what i mean is i wouldn't be advocating publicly for barack obama or president hillary clinton. this is ridiculous. >> sam nunberg, great to have you on. >> thank you. congratulations. >>> key u.s. allies angry over new tariffs and they are ready to retaliate. will they be good or bad for american carmakers? michigan lawmaker debbie dingell joins us next with the answer. the first survivor of alzheimer's disease is out there. and the alzheimer's association is going to make it happen. but we won't g

it aligned that jay sekulow repeatedly put out there. what do statements the times said, the president dictated a short but accurate response. now watch what they said back then. >> that was written by donald trump jr. and i am sure in consolidation with his lawyer. that wasn't written by the president. the president didn't sign off on anything. he was coming back from the g-20. the statement that was released on saturday was released by donald trump jr. and i am sure in consultation with his lawyers. the president wasn't involved in that. the president did not draft the response. the response came from donald trump jr. and i am sure in consultation with his lawyer. let me say this, the president, i do want to be clear, the president was not involved in the drafting of the statement and did not issue the statement, it came from donald trump jr. >> a couple of weeks later sarah sanders obscured the president's role. >> he certainly didn't dictate. but like i said, he weighed in and offered suggest like any father would do. >> to reiterate

it wasn't as if jay sekulow only said this once or twice.was four or five times over a period of not days, but weeks. you think if he was clearly making a mistake somebody would have correct said the t was involved. he dictated that statement and apparently no one said that to jay. >> well, maybe. strong point nonetheless, captain. i'll tell you something else. when did they correct it? when it was expose when trump junior's e-mails came out. then the letter proffer to the special counsel to the letter. sekulow says the president dictated it. they didn't correct it to the . american people. corrected it out of convenience when they knew they needed to do it. what does that indicate? that indicates an intention to be sneaky. that does what? that informs the position that somebody is deceptive. it is common sense. i don't know why they're doing this. why are they f this point. it just sheds a false light on everything else they say. that's the part i don't get. i don't get why giuliani would put his hand to god in the holy land and say this wa

>> no, the statement about whether or not -- sekulow's statement abt whether or not trump knew about the letter. >> the dictated statement in this memo that said he did dictate even though sekulow -- okay, wanted to clarify. >> originally sekulow said the president didn't have any involvement with that. now he's saying, yes, in fact, he did dictate it. and giuliani's response was that, well, lawyers say things early on when they get involved in a case and they don't necessarily know the facts. i don't know that to be true. i've been a lawyer for 40 years. i don't go out there and say things about my client, factual statements, when i haven't talked to my client and i don't know the facts. so that seems to be not helping the president. >> on five occasions, jake sekulow and sarah sanders said he did not dictate it, in this memo it says he did. >>> stick around, we have more to discuss. i appreciate your input. >>> a possible trade war has a few top republicans pushing back against the president. what happens when some lawmakers in the president's own party turn their back on his polic

so jay sekulow is the same person. he either knew or didn't know. a heater told the truth or i have something for people that and ofodiums and represent administrations because sometimes they are not given all the information. i have no idea what sarah sanders knew and what she didn't. i have no idea. but i have less sympathy for jay sekulow who drafted the 20 page piece that admitted that donald trump hself dictated it and he went on tv and said the exact opposite. >> lisa: this meeting also took place before the wikileaks dump as well. this meeting it happened after that information at hit, there'd be a different conte. >> marie: is a credibility issue for the white house and for the president team. >> katie: voters heading to the polls today in eight states for primaries and new questions of the battle to control congress. in one stapa now deemed as crucial and what i do suppose a democratic blue wave will still be a success for a washout. period details ahead. plus growing push back now after to white house champions over a ignited dispute over

what other things has jay sekulow said on tv that don't line up with his own version of reality? k you listened to rudy giuliani speaking this morning, what he said on those two morning shows, not dissimilar from what we heard him say over the last few weeks, not kiss similar to what his predecessor said, other members of the president's legal team has said. what's different now that we've seen this report, what's the importance to you of having this fleshed out in 20 pages? >> yeah, so if we distill this down into just a couple thoughts, the memo reveals the thought process here that the president is going to have absolute powers. that he can't obstruct justice because he is justice. he can't break the law because he is the law. and if this was the best they can do, david, i think we're headed to the supreme court and i think the supreme court will rule in the favor of justice and the special counsel. rudy giuliani is not serving the president well today or in past days. there is chaos being reflected here as betsy pointed out, with dichotomy and disparity between what the memo

how is jay sekulow and sarah sanders both made the mistake.ime to publicly correct his alleged mistake. a key point of fact, isn't this sort of thing you get wrong because of some kind of snafu? yesterday sarah sanders refused to address the issue and today the stone wall got even higher. >> once again, i am not going to go into detail and go into a back and forth. >> why can't correct the record now? >> i am not going to go into -- >> i am not going to go into back and forth to that. >> was your statement accurate or inaccurate? >> again, i don't want to get into a back and forth. >> we just want to know if it was accurate or not. >> i know your goals is to get into a conversation that deals with outside counsel and i am not going to do that today. >> jeffrey toobin and anne milgram. >> the air force one statement is important. it is not just some tangential issue where the white house got caught in a lie. it is centrala mueller investigation. part itel t lyin about the investigation and lying about what went on with russia and the trump camp

sekulow is not your lawyer, he's the president's lawyer. you're saying, he didn't dictate this, he did what any father would do. that turns out not to be true. you agree with that? >> once again, i know i answered this question on monday. i answered it on tuesday, and i'm going to answer it the same way today and you're probably not going to like it anymore on wednesday than it sounds like you liked it on monday or tuesday, but this is a legal matter and the appropriate individuals to answer questions on a legal matter are the outside counsel. and i would direct you to them. and frankly, i did direct you to them. and you had them here on your set and asked them that question and i would refer you back to that statement. >> i get it. i didn't have them. but i understand what you're saying about cnn. why is it a legal matter, what you said? >> again, this is an illegal process and i would refer you to the appropriate venue to answer questions on a legal back and forth. and that is the president's outside counsel. and that's who you should ask

as written by jay sekulow.eves that sekulow had it wrong the first time out. so we've had a correction there. sarah huckabee sders continues to refuse to even engage or entertain questions about her statement and whether or not she believes that she was speaking the truth from the podium. listen to the bac and forth earlier. >> was it accurate or not? that's all we want -- >> i workday in and day out and majority of you here in the room. you know i'm an honest person that works extremely hard to provide you accurate information at all times. i'll continue to do that. i'm not going to engage on matters that deal with outside counsel. >> sarah sanders went so far to say that she believes her credibility is tighter than that of the media's and spanked everybody in the room for reporting on things that she wouldn't want them to not have reported on. no clarification from the white house on whether or not that statement as she read it b th accurate or what informed her statements. so i think we'll keep pushing on th

and sekulow's not alone. year. >> he certainly didn't dictate, but, you know, he-- like i said, he weighed in and offered suggestions like any father would do. >> stephen: yes, advice on hiding your crimes from the feds is what any father would do. i'm sorry. that's what any godfather would do. the point is-- the point is-- the point is, they've lied to us for a year, but now they've come clean and admitted that he dictated it. that i can believe. he does seem like a dictator. we'll be right back with james patterson and president bill clinton. join us. ♪ ♪ ( applause ) how do you become america's best-selling brand? surprise people with how much they can get in a small suv. it's the big upgrade in a small package. see what you can get for under 20 grand... with the all-new ecosport from ford. only tylenol® rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. they release medicine fast, for fast pain relief. tylenol® charmin ultra soft! ♪ it's softer than ever. charmin ultra soft is twice as absorbent so you can use

jay sekulow gets paid by the president. somebody paid by tyers knowingly. she gets sent out to say things. we should give her some grace because of who she works. if they made a mistake, they had plenty of time to clean it up. this is out there for months. on air force one, donald trump, the president of the united states, dictating atatement with the help of hope hicks, she was in the white house for wee after thetory came out he did not dictate it. she was right there. she could have corrected it. also on the plane, we don't know if they were involved in the meeting, jared kushner, at the trump tower meeting. ivanka, josh raffel and sean spicer and sarah sanders and deputy secretary. i'm rry, if it was a mistake, they could have stopped and cleaned it up. >> it was a flight back from germany back to joint base andr andrews. i was on the plane that day. the back of the plane where the reporters fly. we had no idea this was going on at the moment. in subsetweeks, the w house knew "the times" was working on the story. the trump tower meeting in june of 2016.

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. >> jay sekulow released a statement about the trump tower meeting say the statement in the january letter to the special counsel reflects our understanding of the events that occurred but even that statement does not explain the false statements initially given to the public about the trump tower meeting. wolf, if the president likes to say there was no collusion, that this is a witch hunt, then why are they giving these false statements about the trump tower meeting and then when asked about why the president dictated that meeting and why they covered that up initially, why did they give false statements about that, false statements covering up false statements and in most people's minds those are considered lies. >> why wouldn't she take follow up questions from reporters. i've been covering white house briefings going back several presidents and every press secretary takes follow-up questions. why wouldn't she. >> because they just don't want to answer the questions. and this is happening gradually over , fewer briefings and they are shorter and sarah sanders is going aro the ro

this was hand delivered by jay sekulow and john dowd.d felt that the president wasn't really taking all of his advice into account. there is one particular thing that stood out to me as i'm working my way through the letter. remember there were questions the special counsel had about just how intimately involved was president was and how involved he was with the trump jr. meeting he had and other russian advocates. this con seeds mr. trump dictated what they call a short but accurate statement. the white house gave multiple accounts for who was responsible tore that statement, suggesting at one point that hope hicks, the former communications director, had a hand in it. now we know that the president himself dictated that statement, which at the time you'll remember was all about that obscure russian adoption policy, even though we know that it was all about the hillary investigation. >> stands out to are the 16 action items or things the special counsel is, according to the president's attorneys, past and president, interested in honing

attorneys john dowd and jay sekulow argue the president could come if you wish, terminate the inquiry or even exercise his power to pardon. democrats rushed to say no, he couldn't. >> it's not the rule of trump. it is the rule of law we live under in the united states of america. even in 1974, richard nixon's justice department made it quite clear that nixon could not pardon himself. the same thing is true here. >> president trump's current outside counsel, rudy juliana, says the president likely does have the power parted himself though to do so would be political suicide. >> the president of the united states pardoning himself would be unthinkable and would lead to probably immediate >> press secretary sarah sanders added there is no reason for a pardon. >> the president hasn't done anything and trickle wrong and would need one. >> the letter reignited another controversy. what role did the president play in drafting the initial statement from donald trump jr. in response that 2016 meeting with the russian attorney. a four days after the statement, outside counsel jay sekulow said t

jay sekulow lie about it. they didn't do that on their own. someone told them to do that. it is e reasonable to speculate that the president told them to lie about that. that is something wrong. that is why robert mueller has to sit donald trump down and ask him about it to finalize that report. and if he doesn't sit down with him and give his side of the story for what happened, in regard to that statement, that is an admission of guilt. >> go ahead. >> i also think that to remember that the main audience for all of this isn't really us. this is just -- >> and republicans in congress. >> it is just more muddying the water and so they could say that -- well no, but the president can do this and that and it is right there in the memo and so they create this confusion. and i think that is one of the main reaso doing it. >> this is point. one of the critical elements we have to look at and one of the places the president has succeeded is whether the charges, if there are are significant. the president success here has been if there are minor charges, he wins. mueller really h

we saw jay sekulow there stone cold liar.othing that man ever says again on national television should be taken seriously. of course, we already know that about sarah sanders and of course the president. but with regard to the question of collusion, of course there was collusion. the collusion took place when the president's son-in-law, his son, and his campaign chairman met with representatives with close ties to the russian intelligence services and to the kremlin for the purposes of receiving dirt on the democratic nominee for president of the united states. that's not an attack on hillary clinton or the democratic party. that is an attack on the united states of america, our sovereignty, and our elections press. this is what george washington warned the country about in his farewell address, was foreign interference. and there was only one appropriate response. when these people were contacted by a hostile foreign power to give dirt to the -- to their campaign about the democratic nominee, and that was to call the directo

when he told jay sekulow and sarah sanders before january i didn't do it, he knew mueller hadn't spoken to the people in the room. now they have written this letter because he knows the people have gone in and underwrote, told mueller what really happened. so i think it is another example about trump's lack of any sort of concept of how important the truth is, and the fact that he'll put anybody out to say anything to protect him and everybody is just sort of cattle to him. all about protecting him. >> and, kim, why would they ever admit this to the special counsel? is it they had to? what do you think? >> no, i mean, that entire letter is unnecessary. there are two issues here, one is people are talking about whether it is truthful or not. of course, lying to the press is not illegal, it gets to why the president's lawyers don't want him to sit down and testify under oath, because he's extremely vulnerable to criminal liability for perjury. the second question has to do with obstruction of justice and the letter goes into that in great detail, did the president make decisions with the

sekulow was wrong. she was wrong. how do these people not know? >> i have no idea how they got it wrong, but they got it wrong. i don't think either one of them is ever going to deliberately lie. i know the president isn't. >> that's how that went. ashley parker of the "washington post" writes, in the trump administration, the truth comes out after vigorous denials. quote, the admission that trump dictated his son's statement is the latest example of where on a number of key issues, especially pegged to mueller's ongoing russia probe and trump's legal difficulties, the white house and the president's lawyers have offered contradicting stories and whipsaw about-faces often revealing the truth only weeks later when confronted with their inconsistencies. so much to talk about with our leadoff panel on a monday night. matt apuzzo, pulitzer prize-winning reporter for "the new york times." ashley parker, pulitzer prize-winning reporter for "the washington post." robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post," moderator of "washingto

giuliani is dismissing that tonight is a small miscue by jay sekulow. democrats pushing hard on that tonight. >> shannon: they are digging in on that part of the story. thank you very much. new tonight, special counsel accusing forr trump campaign chairman paul manafort of attempting to tamper with witnesses. manafort is pleading not guilty to a slew of federal crimes stemming from his past lobbying work for ukrainian politicians. meanwhile, the white house says the president does not have to pardon himself because he has done nothing wrong. let's bring a nelson cunningham, former white house general counsel under president clinton, and can cook us become a senior firth libera. welcome, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> shannon: let's talk about is pardon power idea. jonathan turley, professor who is very familiar to the fox audience, on quite a bit, says the language of article two is quite explicit to, giving the president a pardon power over federal offenses with the only exemption related to impeachment. donald trump can certainly make a good-faith textua

giuliani said the mistake is sekulow's. >> it's jay, not the president, that is the wisdom of not havingresident testify. >> reporter: just to clarify, the president's attorney is suggesting that the commander in chief not be made available to be interviewed by the special counsel at this time. giuliani citing more than a million documents handed over, and dozens of witnesses made available to the special counsel in justifying his position. the special counsel, as usual, is not commenting. elaine. >> quijano: errol barnett, thank you. the phoenix suburb of scottsdale, population 240,000, is listed as one of the safest cities in arizona. but in recent days there have been four murders. as tony dokoupil reports, several killings are connected. >> reporter: dr. steven pitt died much as he lived, wrapped up in a murder mystery. the distinguished forensic psychiatrist advised police on high profile killings, including the unsolved murder of child beauty contestant jon benet ramsey. now police are looking for answers after pitt himself was gunned down outside his office thursday. authorities r

>> i actually thought it was revealing and an interesting one that he threw sekulow under the bus.e said this is all about public opinion. if donald trump tries to pardon himself then he will get impeached. if he tries to fire mueller or stop the investigation then he will get impeached. so i think it's very clear what they're doing is they're allowing the president to spout off on twitter. giuliani will come in here and say one thing and he'll probably change his mind and say something else to other news organizations later today or tomorrow. they're trying to confuse things. we have two strategies, one is to discredit everyone involved and two, confuse things so much that the public doesn't know where up is or where down is so when the report ultimately comes out they have an ability to push back and say this was all a big witch hunt. no one really gets it. republican voters, look what we're doing, ignore all of this. we're making a deal with north korea, whatever. stay on our side. republicans in congress stay on our side, that's the only real defense they have at this point. >>

now, did jay sekulow know he was spreading a lie? i don't know. did sarah sanders know she was spreading a lie? >> either way, that was not a mistake. >> someone knew the president knew they were spreading a lie. hope hicks knew they were spreading a lie and hope hicks was communications director. >> and whoever was on air force one at that time. then you have the issue of donald trump jr. and the statement he gave to congress. so this is, you know, you can get into the splitting hairs about lies and intent, but this is clearly they spread a lie from the white house podium and the president's lawyer and that's why you can't simply assume it's a mistake or accept the three's company defense. >> wes, where does that leave us with sarah sanders? how can the press and public believe today when there's another press briefing or when ever the next one is anything? >> this is a white house and formerly a campaign that often operated outside the realms of normal political honesty or willingness to engage with facts this way. but when you have the spokespe

. >> three times from jay sekulow. >> lying to the press is not a crime, right? it meanst we shouldn't believe these people anymore about anything, but it's not a crime to lie to the press. i think this is coming out right now because the walls are closing in on trump and he he has to treat truthfully with mueller and the fdny and the other investigator, right? but people like us, he can lie to as much as he wants to and he does. >> do you think that this is because the president feels like the walls are closing in? >> it's better to leak things out now that are true than to do it once you've got to show up in front of director mueller's team and you actually have to provide evidence. i think this has always been the strategy, right? he just changed the message and change the messenger and change where you're giving the message at and you slowly get to the truth and it becomes impossible to know what's going on. the first thing that you hear the most is what the public tends to believe and if you want to go out and ask the public they have no idea what the truth

john dowd who is now out and jay sekulow who is still in.e says the president cannot assert justice but has the power to shut the investigation down when he wants. the memo says the president himself dictated a statement that turned out to bemisleadingn donald trump jr.'s 2016 meeting at the trump toweller with the russians. that conflicts with sarah sanders. and what jay sekulow last year said minimizing the president's role drafting the statement. i can tell you the former deputy to independent counsel ken starr says the memo is helpful to preside. wa >> it's the leaking of the letter which i believe had to have come from the camp of the president that i think is so, such a brilliant maneuver. this shows a number of things. first, it shows that the mueller's team view of obstruction of justice is frightenly broad. >> sarah: he certainly didn't dictate. he weighed in and offered suggestion like any father would do. >> that was last year. today at the podium sarah sanders again said the president did not dictate that statement even though hi

jay sekulow was asked about our story a few days afterward and insisted the president had nothing to do with it and i remember being surprised when i saw that because i knew our reporting was true. it is very -- should be concerning, not just for the white house press corps, it should be concerning for citizens when things are being said from the podium day after day after day that are not true. every politician lies, every politician says things that aren't true. this is a different volume and order of magnitude and i understand that sarah huckabee sanders is a s in a rough position frequently and i understand that she was in a rough position on this, but to answer the question the first time and say this wasn't -- the reporting wasn't true and then say i have to refer you to his lawyers, it's just not acceptable. >> no, it's not owning. it's not owning your own words or taking responsibility for what you're doing. >> this is what this white house does repeatedly. they never take responsibility. over and over and over and that starts at the top. it is all about shifting blame. >> an

and i think jay sekulow did a better job. there is something to be said for a politician who understands the law. he fills in a lot of the gaps the president needs. i think giuliani would be more effective if he were speaking his mind and talking to the president and preparing him for what lies ahead on this legal road, but maybe in the background a little bit. >> i think this decision to go after stormy daniels in a very personal way is totally unnecessary. it's fine to say her facts don't add up. here are some factual holes in the claims she is making. that's a different argument than saying let's not listen to her at all because i don't like the profession she does. he got into trouble by saying the first lady doesn't believe stormy daniels. her spokesperson says rudy giuliani hasn't talked to the first lady about that. ultimately, is it going to be impeached or not. that's a public, popular opinion. also the negotiations, does he testify to mueller and under what conditions. that's a largely public, out there way of negot

jay sekulow did not discuss whether or not the president dictated the memo. >> thank you, jim. >>> it is primary day in eight states. baham alabama and mississippi, new mexico and california as well as others. a surge of new candidates possibly splitting the vote and leaving democrats out in a hand of swing district. this is over the california jungle primary. the top two advance regardless of party. "early start" begins at 3:00 a.m. tomorrow. complete election night coverage. >>> former president bill clinton trying to explain himself after attempting to defend his handling of the monica lewinsky scandal. here is what he told craig melvin. >> do you feel you owe her an apology? >> i have never talked to her, but i did say publicly on more than one occasion that i was sorry. that's very different. the apology was public. >> mr. clinton was asked to elaborate on that mark during the book event tour last night. >> the truth is i got hot under the collar because of the way the questions were asked. the the suggestion was that i never apologized for what caused all of the trouble for me 2

in jerusalem, jay sekulow -- a member of president trump's legal team -- offers a political and historical argument for the existence of israel as a southern nation. ken men sinker reports on corruption in fifa. ann lease saw cox recalls america's black pioneers. and in gigged, journalist sarah kessler looks at the prevalence of freelance workers i today's economy. also being published this week, ely berman, joseph felter and jacob shapiro explore the changes in how wars have been fought over the past 60 years in small wars, big data. and dr. edward hallowell describes how his upbringing shaped his psychiatric career. look for these titles in bookstores this coming week and watch for many of the authors in the near future on booktv on c-span2. >> when i start to talk about my book, invisible no more: police violence against black women, women of color, one of the first questions i throw out to audiences sometimes is what's the first name that comes to mind when i say police brutality. >> [inaudible] >> see, times have changed. but usually it's been sort of different across generations but

trump did not dictate a response to the new york times about the meeting.jay sekulow, pres.itten, no that was written by donald tmp jr. and i'm sure with coultation with s lawyer. that wasn't written by the president." sarah sanders, white house press secretary:"he certainly didn't dictate, but he -- like i said, he weighed in, offered suggestion like any father would do."now mr. trump's lawyers say just the opposite, telling the special counsel's office in a january letter "the president dictated a short but accurate response to the new york times article on behalf of his son."when asked to explain her own false statement, sanders dodged big time.sarah sanders, white house press secretary:"this is from a letter from outside counsel and i would direct you to them. this is pertaining a letter from outside counsel and therefore i can't answer." giuliani conceded the trump tower meeting demonstrates why the president may not ever talk to the special counsel. rudy giuliani, pres. trump's attorney: "this is the reason you don't let the president testify. if, you know, every -- ou

how did jay sekulow not know? how did sarah sanders not know?he conclusion that it was dictated when he started out having nothing to do with it? body's not telling the f it doesn't create legal exposure, it creates a responsibility to the american people. the whole dialogue is about why the president should have limited exposure to these proceedings. i think the opposite argument is more compelling, that he legally and from a responsibility standpoint as president of the united states has more of a responsibility to be transparent, to not need to be subpoenaed, to not plead the fifth, to sit and do the interview. i think there's as much responsibility there. rudy giuliani fights that notion strenuously tonight. >> in a sentence, because we don't have any time, what's the mission for cuomo primetime? >> test power, hold it to account, force lawmakers to lay out their arguments, seek common ground, and do something about it. get lawmakers to do their jobs, hold power to account, when there's breaking news around the world, run out there with wolf

that john dowd and jay sekulow will always be known as having represented the president and it is justn post," a piece by ronald reagan's daughter. >> the anniversary of reagan's death is tomorrow. >> he would be appalled and heart broken of the congress not willing to stand up to the president and who seems ignorant of the constitution and who is atting at every turn to dismantle and mock our system of checks and balances. it seems on the tariffs thing, the congressional republicans, as the president has taken over the republican party still has trouble consolidating his support. >> yeah. president trump has not been a republican since he registered to vote a couple decades ago. if he thought that he could have won the democratic nomination a couple years ago and won as a democrat, he would have done that. his hijacking of the republican party was a case where he saw the party had some issues in terms of translating its ideas from conservative think tanks and magazines to trickle down to the average voter and average conservative republican who was a little more, you know, in the work

i think what jay sekulow said in the letter shows a couple of things. number one, the president has been extremely cooperative. not only providing a mountain ofocuments, but even an occasion waving privilege that he could otherwise claim. i don't think that there is any rationale to sit down, nor is there a rationale to subpoena the president to sit down. >> harris: what do you make of the notion of the president being able to pardon himself? everything from what i read and the legal experts i talk to said well, yes the president could do that. >> it's premature because there is no crime. you have to have a crime before you pardon yourself. >> harris: charges of some kind. >> exactly. you don't have that. the second thing is if you look at it there is no constitutional constraint on the power to pardon the president. there is constitutional authority to pardon himself but it's unlikely and in this case unnecessary. >> harris: rudy giuliani said it could lead to impeachment and very explosive politically. >> he is right. politically it would light a powd

it did not just come incorrectly from the legal team from jay sekulow. it was also the white house who was caught misstating whether trump was involved in compiling that ement. neither claims to speak for each other. there is a parallel problem with the white house and president trump's lawyers need to explain what went wrong here and how they claim not to coordinate on messaging and they par on trote same lie. >> sarah sanders cannot comment on her own comment anymore. here is what rudy giuliani told chris cuomo last night about the meeting at trump tower. >> why do you think they chose to lie about his role in drafting the statement about trump junior's meeting with the russians? >> chris, you think maybe somebody could have made a mistake? >> that's a lot of mistakes is it always that somebody -- you think jay lied? maybe he just got it wrong like i got a few things wrong in the beginning of the investigation. you can make a mistake and if you want to, you can say it's a lie. it's a mistake. i swear to god it's a mistake. the guy made a mistake. >> wh

previous comments by jay sekulow, one of the lawyers that wrote that memo to mueller. >> the presidentas not involved in the drafting of the statement and did not issue the statement. it came from donald trump jr. that's what i can tell you because that's what we know. donald trump jr. said the same thing, it was from him and his lawyer in consultation. >> he certainly didn't dictate, like i said, he weighed in, offered suggestion like any father would do. >> pema, why did this story change? >> this is one of the most mind blowing parts of the memo that's come out because it really sort of underscores a pattern we see here, when you team up with donald trump and follow his narrative, you might end up getting thrown under the bus. one of the most shocking things is that donald trump jr., the president's son has essentially testified before congress to something different than what the president's lawyers are now saying, which is that his father wasn't really involved in drafting that statement. so i think, i wonder on some level if it is a mistake, but absolutely. they've come out and s

a piece of breaking news here reported by "the new york times" on a 20-page memo written by jay sekulowhn dowd related to whether or not the question might testify, might answer questions posted by robert mueller and his team. the "new york times" has seen this 20-page letter. we're beginning to wade through it ourselves but the question as summarized by the times here is that lawyers for months have been waging a campaign to keep the special counsel from trying to force him to answer questions in the investigation to whether he obstructed justice. the conclusion of this letter, again according to the times, is president trump cannot be compelled to testify, arguing in that letter he could not possibly have committed obstruction because he has unfettered authority over all federal investigations. dana goldman, who was speaking with a few moments ago, former assistant u.s. attorney is back with me. i want to get your reaction generally. what this centers on is this argument that we've seen play out in speeches, on twitter, in legal circles as well about what kind of power a president has

. >> why is it always that somebody -- you think jay sekulow lied? maybe he just got it wrong.w things wrong at the beginning of the investigation. it was a mistake. i swear to god. it was a mistake. the guy made a mistake. >> the president meantime continues to blame the russia investigation on his attorney general jeff sessions tweeting this morning the russian witch-hunt hoax continues. all because jeff sessions didn't tell me he was going to recuse himself. i wou quickly pick someone else. so much time and money wasted,s sessions knew better than most there was no collusion. this as robert mueller's team is now accusing president trump's former campaign chairman, paul manafort, of witness tampering. evan perez has all the details for us this morning. evan, bring us up to speed on this one. >> that's right, erica. prosecutors want a judge to consider revoking paul manafort's bail for what they say were multiple attempts to get witnesses to lie in his case. manafort is the former trump campaign chairman and he's awaiting trial here in washington and in virginia, federal court

the fact you got jay sekulow and rudy giuliani at odds on national television making different statementsry indicative of where this investigation goes. in ermz of the memo that was released yesterday that was leaked yesterday, what a brash interpretation of the constitution? the fact that trump's lawyers are making the argument that he is above the law, that he as -- basically has superhuman powers because he's president of the united states. i've maintained all along if the president truly did nothing wrong he should have no problem testifying, but again, we seem to see this story just continues to evolve and we continue to see mixed messages coming from his team. >> i have to say i had a lot of contradicting of that memo and the claims by trump's team by a carrie, how does this all ho. reflect on the white house? >> sure. i think we need to look very specifically about the claims that are made in this reported memo because there have been some very broad and blanket statements and to my good friend adrian who i love and respect, but she said things that were way out of the bounds of wh

sekulow doesn't represent her. i don't think she has counsel. unless you know differently.rected it sooner. all of the typical rational answers. >> you know, i don't speak for anyone in the white house, chris, as you know. but i think probably what sarah was trying to do when she relayed the information originally when she was asked and we have seen this now on more than one occasion is sometimes the forward-facing department of the white house doesn't have all the information and does their best job to give the information they have at the time and my guess without having spoken to her about the issue was the information that she provided to the media at the press briefing way back whenever it was a year ago now about this particular topic was the best information she had at the time and now a memorandum written in january of this year saying something different from the previous and continued member of the president's legal team. but now rudy giuliani who is a member of that legal team come out and said that that memorandum was either inaccurate or the statements made pre