a semiboom, taking $1,500 lie liability, use you up a the money. face facts.t. it's a shame, but that's so true of all the government. >> and alluding, the pension guarantee corporation, sort of like the federal protector of companies that go belly up. >> and lots of them do. >> and oftentimes pennies on the dollar, dagen, add up to a lot of dollars, right? >> a lot of dollars. $62 billion. however, all they need to do raise premiums that the companies pay in to the pbgc nap needs to happen before the taxpayers step up. >> be careful of that. those are on the brink of going belly up will sayish why the hell not? >> and good. cut benefits. then they cut benefits so retirees, ub fortunately, it's happened in the past. >> don't you think other companies, beppy up now and give lis to the government to let them deal with it so we don't have to? >> if they're going belly up for that reason alone, that's pathetic. >> a lot of them do. >> this has been running in the red for, what, 33 of the -- >> i know that. i think i know that. >> i'm just pointing that out. >> all