chairman sensenbrenner, thank you very much for being with us. can you explain to us what's the main change you want to make in the ability of these surveillance agencies to do their work and why have you changed your mind about how much latitude they should have? >> well, i think that they've gone much further than the patriot act ever intended them to do. the patriot act was passed to say the intelligence agency should target a non-u.s. person who was in an authorized terrorist investigation and then collect intelligence on who he was in contact with and what he might be up to. what the n.s.a. has done over the last six to eight years is they've grabbed everybody's phone records and tried to match that to see who might be involved in the terrorist strike. the n.s.a. has not ever come up with how many the terrorist conspiracys that they've actually been able to solve in doing this and, you know, i can say that two teenagers talking about who they're taking to the prom is not going to lead to somebody who wants to blow up chicago. it goes much to

. >> she is referring to commerce men sensenbrenner -- congressman sensenbrenner you usa patriot act. it restricts patriot act sections 215, the "metadata" collection program. it has support from republicans and democrats. and it has a companion bill that was introduced in the senate by democrats. patrick leahy. so looks like something will get passed and he comes to the nsa. it will be passed in the standalone bill and something in the authorization pack that needs to be done by the end of the year. but it still remains to be seen whether it will be more meaningful reform or something watered down. >> we will have to wait and see. but the latest centered on spying on world leaders. did members of congress or official speak to that at all? >> yes, they spoke to it than the chairman of the intelligence committee gave deference to the nsa on this one. he said, this is what happens in the defense world. frances spying on the u.s. he does not have a problem with the u.s. spying on world leaders. knowing the plans and the intentions of world leaders is a basic tenet of surveillance, survei

stronger but you also have the sensenbrenner bill which will be dropped today as i mentioned earlier the usa freedom act which is supposed to protect us against the patriot act. things drafted many pieces of legislation for congressman ron paul when i worked for him legislation can be very very simple here is the key here is what reform of the n.s.a. of spying here's what it would look like repeal the patriot act and repeal the two thousand and one authorization for military force it would be a two line piece of legislation that would solve all of the problems and instantly make it legal all of these things that we're talking about but that won't happen you get a two or three hundred page bill that purports to reform all of these issues and you'll have horrible ideas like a government paid privacy advocate who is supposedly arguing for us against the government although they're on the same team you know the whole point of the constitution philosophically was to limit the power of government to limit their ability to do things are against us that we don't want them to do so adding ano

that glenn greenwald released from the snowden documents and the author of the patriot act james sensenbrenner is a republican from wisconsin and he talked about how he engineered that authority to be an investigative authority that the n.s.a. could particularly zoom in on people who they had suspicion of wrongdoing what he's particularly concerned about is are the rest of us submergence and transformation into a bulk collection of the already that in a single order has been used to justify the surveillance of millions of americans at once well well in response to the release of all of this information and it's a director keith alexander actually called out the role of journalists let's take a listen to what he said. the reporters who got this. data and quickly run to the wrong conclusion i think it's wrong that that. newspaper reporters have all these documents fifty thousand whatever they have and are selling them and giving them out. as if these doesn't make sense we had to come up with a way of stopping so he's suggesting that journalists are selling these documents and that the publicatio

and she's referring congresswoman schakowsky is referring to congressman jim sensenbrenner zz. usa freedom act and sensenbrenner of course wrote the patriot act and the freedom act repealed a lot of the patriot act it installs the special privacy advocate on the pfizer court that we talked about earlier and it restricts patriot act section of two fifteen the bulk metadata collection program and it has support from republicans and democrats are on board with it and it has a companion bill that was introduced in the senate by a democrat senator patrick leahy so it looks like with this bipartisan nature it looks like something will get passed when it comes in the n.s.a. it will be passed in a standalone bill or maybe something out of to the national defense authorization act at the end of the year which still needs to be worked out it's just a matter of whether it's going to be a really meaningful reform or more watered down reform of the n.s.a. what have to wait and see but of course the latest send us a leaks of centered on the u.s. government spying on world leaders did numbers

host: what do you make of jim sensenbrenner, who was integral in crafting the patriot act, now saying we have to rein it in? caller: they are feeling the political pressure. everybody wants to feel good and the public is looking back on what they did. it's "let's spy on everyone but make sure everyone is a little bit happy about it, to." that is the gist of how i stand on this issue. little bit more from "the washington post" about the legislation being crafted by the intelligence leaders. tucker, georgia, democratic caller. your thoughts on whether or not the congress should and doors. the nsa spying program. i endorse the spying. god bless america, if we do not spy on them they are definitely spying on us. if we can go back into history with rosenberg, i believe it was in the 30s when they sold out information to a foreign country. they were, at that time, executed. i don't understand how this -- and theyho is are not allowed to go over and pick him up or have him sent back to the nsa and he should -- sent back to the nsa. and he should be prosecuted. --elieve they should stop when

emerge and to see senators ron wyden and rand paul or senator patrick leahy standing with jim sensenbrenner, those are great indications of the values across the spectrum. we know the latest news. france and germany, the nsa is spying on foreign leaders abroad 3-d think that americans have to care about this as well, just as much is you have to care about their infringements of rights here in the knighted states? >> absolutely. the habit of telling -- turning our allies into enemies is as much a concern as the abuses of our own individual privacy rights. separate from that is the concern for democracy. what the abuses threaten are not just the rights of hundreds of millions of americans and our diplomatic relationships with other countries but the future of democracy in america itself. with this kind of pervasive surveillance, the right to dissent withers and the relationship between dissent and democracy is crucial to remember and that is what is driving a lot of the resistance to these authoritarian programs. >> what is next after the rally, what are the next steps that will continue? >>

. >> james sensenbrenner. , provides stronger restrictions against who the nsa can target when it comes to spying and require the government to delete information it collects accidentally, more aggressively than it does now. the bill reportedly has a dozen co-sponsors in the senate and 70 in the house. meanwhile senator dianne feinstein, the democratic head of the intelligence committee, in a statement feinstein said i am totally opposed to nsa surveillance of u.s. allies. it is abundantly clear that a total review of all intelligence programs is necessary. the white house says that president obama was not aware of just how extensive the nsa's intelligence gathering was until this summer but the president insists there will be a complete review of the nsa's spying policy. >> what we've seen over the last several years is their capacity has continued to develop and expand and that's why i'm initiating a review to make sure that what they're able to do doesn't necessarily mean what they should doing. >> in washington a european delegation arrived this week, looking for answer he about spy

over in the house chairman conyers former chairman of the judiciary and jim sensenbrenner have been supportive of this act. trey gowdy a former prosecutor so i think we have good support on both sides of the aisle and i think the more parents and people become acutely aware that this gps type of device can be very helpful in your day-to-day life but it can also be a tool and a conduit for somebody who has got some nefarious thoughts and ideas to follow somebody without their knowledge. that really should be against the law and law enforcement really should have to demonstrate to the court to have probable cause in order to follow someone without their knowledge. >> host: do you hear from constituents on this issue? >> guest: absolutely. certainly with the nsa revelations of people being acutely aware and concerned about what the government is doing. are they following them? the obama administration has not verified their position posts jones in how they are going to do with this. there is a freedom of information act request that the aclu put in the department of justice. every single page was

on wednesday an outline of a bill being worked on by republican jim sensenbrenner who wrote the patriot act and democrat john conyers as well as senator patrick leahy would limit the n.s.a.'s ability to engage in bulk collection of americans phone metadata under section two fifteen of the patriot act the bill also strengthens rules against targeting americans with searches of the n.s.a. databases and gives companies the opportunity to release just how many orders they've received from the government to turn over their customers data now to break down all these issues and other tech stuff in the news i'm joined by archie's a steve the web producer and your book a sad injury thanks for coming on here so let's break down the story about lava bit and this was an e-mail service used by edward snowden and four hundred thousand other people exactly but i'm guessing it was the edward snowden affair that really brought the attention over you tell me here what have we learned about how the federal government put pressure on this company that eventually forced it to close its doors ok back up a fe

congresswoman schakowsky is referring to is the this usa freedom act or introduced by republican jim sensenbrenner who wrote the patriot act it limits section to fifteen metadata collection it also installs the special privacy advocate on the pfizer court it's got reports support from republicans and democrats in the house and it has support a companion bill is expected to be introduced in the senate by a democrat senator patrick leahy so there is movement coming forward it might be in the form of an individual bill that gets passed or might get tacked on to the national defense authorization act which has to be worked out by the end of the year so the chances that something might happen are good it's just a matter whether it's really meaningful reform or more kind of watered down reform . and sam of course the latest son to say leaks have centered on u.s. government spying of world leaders did members of congress or an intelligence official seek to this issue at all. the chairman of the committee mike rogers gave a lot of deference to the n.s.a. here he made the argument that friends spying each

who stood up with me on the floor of the house fighting in support of reining in the nsa was jim sensenbrennerportant to note that he wrote the patriot act. but he has realized the kind of abuse that has happened under the patriot act and is working with us. i actually went into his office when i was pushing the amendment , saying i wanted to meet with him to convince them to support the amendment. i got to his office and when i got there he said -- i know you're here to tell me about your amendment, i will support it. he spent about 30 minutes telling you why it was important to pass. bringing a bill to the house floor, the usa freedom act, to undo much of the damage of the patriot act. so, this is something we are working on. it will be introduced soon. we need you to speak up, stand up, to call your representatives. i cannot tell you how much of a difference it makes when you call people in congress. it makes a huge difference. a huge difference. when people hear that their constituents are calling them, it changes their minds. i cannot tell you how many times i have been on the house floor

has been introduced, it is a bipartisan bill, introducinged by zoe lofgren and representative sensenbrenner. we hope the bill will get grouped in with a bunch of bills introduced into the house, there is a piece of aaron's law that was actually in a separate bill passed by the senate a couple of years ago by the senate judiciary committee. the bill is i think fairly modest. it frankly doesn't go as far as i would like. but it brings the law into what ordinary people think ought to be illegal and not and most importantly will really take the penalty scheme and make it a little less crazy. one of the problems that people have is that the law is really disproportionate in its penalties. >> you know i cannot help bus think about the edward snowden disclosures and when that has taught us about the nsa and the kind of gathering there is. i look at this legislation and i wonder, are we looking at the wrong side of the ledger? >> in what way? >> well, just in this -- you know, this is an environment where the checks and balance he are applied in some way where you know, in the meantime, there are a

poised introduce a new bill to curb spying at the national security agency, commerce member jim sensenbrenner to expand spying powers under u.s. intelligence agencies under george w. bush, but now says the programs have gone too far. coleen rowley, why do you take this one? you work for the agency for decades. what about what is being proposed now as a result of what edward snowden has revealed? -- and ourr visit visit, we were told edward snowden that he had begun the debate by disclosing to american citizens what was going on, this massive spying upon american citizens. we were happy to tell him the debate has begun, but he is very concerned -- and this is actually the reason he has sacrificed so much, is that he wants to see these laws, the secret interpretations of law i should say, fixed. and of course the debate has begun. there have been hearings. they heard from clapper and alexander, who have not been truthful. for instance, alexander has claimed the nsa's massive spying has thwarted 54 incidents of terrorism affecting the united states. this was immediately debunked, mostly by the p

sweeping approach, they can make it more targeted, and this is legislation that is backed by james sensenbrenner in the house and also patrick leahy in the senate, and this is strong bipartisan legislation, about a half dozen members from both parties, and the aclu has thrown its weight behind it. >> the lawyer for a young girl accused of bullying a classmate into killing herself, says he will not let the system bully his client. you may recognize the attorney, jose bias. he represents casey anthony, or did. a jury acquitted her on charges she murdered her daughter, kaylee an happy to. now he is representing a suspect of another high-profile case in the state of florida this time a 12-year-old girl, girl accused of going along with a 14-year-old tormenting another girl for more than a year. investigators say that girl climbed to the top of an abandoned factory tower last month. this factory tower right here. went to the top of it, and jumped to her death. a sheriff in polk county, florida, on the west coast, aggressively went after the accused bully, arresting them for felony stalking, but the a

>> >> guest: i haven't seen the sensenbrenner-leahy legislation. i i looks at first blush doing what we're already doing. i don't know what the legislation doest or doesn't do so i can't take a position with respect to that on the house, select committee's legislation we're pushing forward i am in favor of that and working with chairman rogers to try to get that done. >> host: explain to ourour viewers who don't get a briefing like youo do, what would this d? what would lodge rogers's legislation do? >> guest: attempt to demystify some of the things going on. much of everything we do is classified. that in and of itself, lend itself to folks being distrustful particularly if the arena we are now where vast majority of americans don't trust federal government, don't trust congress and thinks going on. for me to say we're doing x, y and z. it is met with a bit of skepticism. i understand that. i to maintain my own personal integrity and those kind of things. having additional information about the programs what they do and don't do, particularly give

poised to introduce a new bill to curb spying by the national .ecurity agency commerce member jim sensenbrenner helped expand the spying powers of u.s. intelligence agencies under president george w. bush. but he now says the programs have gone too far and that it's time to "put their metadata program out of business ergo the guardian reports among other measures, his bill would limit the collection of phone records to terrorism suspects and allow companies to say how many government requests for user data they receive. highesttagon second- ranking official has announced he will step down in december. the view defense secretary ashton carter was seen as a possible contender for defense secretary before obama chose chuck hagel for the post. a new survey shows most americans to attended to sign up -- attempted to sign up for help insurance exchanges through the new affordable care act weren't able to do so last week as the websites were beset with technical issues. the poll released found 73% of enrollwho attempted to and exchanges experienced problems, 65% were unable to sign up. and those are s

the chairman of the judiciary committee, senator leahy, one of the committees in the hour, james sensenbrenner work the authors of the patriot act. we don't seem to know who is in charge. it is conceivable that the head of the intelligence is spying on our president's cell phone. so we don't know who is in charge. and we think they've overstem their bounds. you have people who were authors of the patriots act saying our intelligence agents have gone too far. not to mention that jail clapper came to congress and lied and that he was not doing surveillance. he was not collecting any data on americans. so there is a lot of trust being lost and i think there is a great deal of credibility lost. and we have to trust our officials if we're going to let them have such sensitive information about our personal lives. >> your fellow tea party backed republican marco rubio is among those who seem to support these programs. we've though there has been a huge lack of transparency. here's what he said a couple days ago. >> everyone spies on everybody. at the end of the day, if you are a u.s. government offi

so i'm working on a conference of legislative solution with congressman sensenbrenner the chairman of the crime and terrorism subcommittee the house as well as other members of congress across the full political spectrum of both parties in a bipartisan bicameral legislation that addresses section 215 and 702 and arranges surveillance authorities raising some of the concerns. her legislation would end section 215 involving collection it would also ensure the fisa statute and the national security letters could not be used to authorize collection. the government has not made its case in bulk collection of domestic phone records is an effective counterterrorism tool especially in light of the intrusion on american privacy. in addition i find the legal justification for this bulk -- to be be strained of it. i looked at the classified list of cases involving section 215 and i found to be unconvincing. the deputy director of the nsa himself acknowledge that at our last hearing a couple of weeks ago that there is no evidence section 215 phone records collection have -- several terrorist plot