it is what it is, you know. >> this is my second time here at seward. last time i was here, oh my god. me and the boyfriend lived in the same cell. we had the matching comforters and the matching jackets and whatever. we had packages come in and always have the matching set or whatever. we were a little couple, you know what i'm saying? dysfunctional but it's all right. so i don't try as hard to stay out of prison like i should. which brings me back to places like this. >> though both sam and polando talk openly about their sexual experiences in prison, their outlooks are quite different. >> of course i'm not. oh, my god. i don't want to get into my partners. but you know. i'm not going to go without. please. >> let's see. i've had relationships before in jail that were long-standing. and you know, eventually they faded away or i left. i'm not concerned with sex, i'm concerned with my life. i'm at a stage in my life where i have to look outward. >> despite their successes, the alaska prison system is facing a crisis. most fit

and in this recent book of mine about the great debate camellia henry seward is that guy. seward, before it became lincoln's secretary of state, a flaming anti slavery radical, governor of @booktv and senator. and of all the people i wrote about in the book, soon as the man and i thought, if he walked into the room one this room if you are sitting in an audience, he would fit right in and do what we're talking about. he could join the conversation because he saw and described, and in not making this up. i mean, magnificently an accomplice beaches, he describes the world as he expected to be. and is the world we live in. so in that sense he is selected because the kind of wants -- will come he doesn't. he doesn't. he is kind of on the margin. he is the -- he is a magnet for a program because he is a radical. but he does not have a terrible unemployment. and on -- and coming you know, i -- i could not surrender to that section. on the other hand, people, often the most interesting of the ones are the furthest from my own self and sense of values. you know, a real crazy guy,

welcome back joining us for tonight's lone liberal cameron seward patrick alley all right let's get back to it let's talk about guns news broke out of the senate today that senator joe manchin and pat toomey a centrist democrat in a far right republican have reached a deal on guns i guess people on the left who want strong gun reform just cringe at hearing that this is going to be the signature policy coming out of the senate for gun reform it's basically background check agreement of it came with mandates background checks for almost every gun sold the united states including gun shows transactions between relatives and hunters though still can go by without background checks. and it looks like this might pass there was talk about republicans filibustering and there's a lot of pressure growing on them to not filibuster it. is this is this really the best the senate can do here i mean is this something that republicans are going to support just this one background check piece along with some some tougher laws against gun trafficking and straw purchases i just want to make clear one point

william seward a, is starting his political career. just down the road, frederick douglass will live in rochester, new york. morris everhe phil lift a finger to fight slavery. they never show any hostility to slavery at all, and they showed no sympathy whatsoever to free blacks. it is really quite shocking that they are completely clueless about this. when he is running for a vice- president, and accused him of helping runaway slaves escape. in a letter that is so shocking i would not say it on air, he says incredibly horrible things about black people, like why would i ever lived my finger to help them? it cause any trend in national education or in the library expansion? >> to my knowledge, no. but you have to look for the long term. they did not have the instantaneous communication. her books were not going to set off a trend for banks like modern communications do. what we are beginning to see as we go into the second half of the 19th century is normal work for middle-class women, teaching and so on and so forth. obviously they wou

in his recent book about the great debate william henry seward is that guy. seward he came -- he became the secretary of state was a flaming radical of governor and senator. of all the people i wrote about in the book seward is the man i thought if he walked into the room or this room and sitting in the audience he would fit right in. he would get what we are talking about and he could join in the conversation. he saw andy described and i'm not making this up, magnificently and a couple of speeches describes the world as he expects it to be. it's the world we live in. in that sense he said.dif because we want seward to win the debate but he doesn't. he is on the margins he is a magnet for opprobrium because he is so radical that doesn't have a terrible lot of influence. i couldn't surrender to that seduction. on the other hand people i find the most interesting to write about are the people who are the furthest from my own sense of values. a really crazy guy who is a senator, henry foote who pulled out of six gun on the floor of the senate and threatened to s