shaber, why do you think the ceasefire is?take on the tories on this, and with few tory descenters, there'd have been no choice except to say that britain is in favor of a ceasefire even if nothing happens, but just to make a statement, and still that seems an ask too far. well, there are number. of factors: one is there was a report recently that at least 40% of the labor mps are funded by zionist lobbis in uk, in usa is much higher, perhaps 80 to 90% of both the democratic and the republicans are funded by zionist lobbing firms, so you've got to look at it purely and simply from - you know which side of their bread is buttered so why would you want to annoy your employers exactly not the people who put you there, the people are giving you the real money, absolutely, so that's one factor if you like, the second one, as i said, you, of course, money does taint one's moral fiber at times, but at the end of the day, there are still human beings, like our friend has been sort of saying throughout this program. program that there

my name is amina taylor and i'm back with my guest, shaber rasvy and tony greenstein who's with us via skype. uh, tony, i want to bring you back into the conversation here. it is so difficult to speak about palestine, to speak about... uh the evils of what's being perpetrated on the gazans, especially here, without running foul of the establishment, your own reactions, well yes, i mean there's been an attack on the right to protest, the right to boycot israel, but israel is accepted, you cannot boycot israel if you're a local authority or a pension fund, and the reason is is quite clear, israel is the favored child of imperialism in the middle east and it can get away with virtually anything and that's despite the fact as the shake said the vast majority of british people support an immediate cease fire and yet the elites in this country represented by the prime minister, the leader of the opposition and of course america uh are categorically opposed that... shows what a thin veneer of democracy we actually have, because most people are horrified at the idea of troops trampling into a

shaber, i'll i'll kick things off with you. we've entered the second month of this bombardment. how would you assess where we are today? well, firstly, condolences to all the marters in in gaza and the west bank, we often forget the west bank, what's happening a daily base. says, but of course the focus is at this moment, as to what is being called the humanitarian crisis, but it's not just the humanitarian crisis, as we all know, it's genocide, it's collective punishment, it's all kinds of international rules, regulations. laws have been broken, not just broken as let's say when when we're talking about ukraine, because putin wasn't saying that this is amlak. putin wasn't saying that these are human aliments. putin wasn't saying that you know we are going to uh sort of eradicate the the palestinians from gaza. putin wasn't saying about ukraine, i'm talking about, but the zionist entities leadership have quite categorically said and articulated what their intentions are, therefore. or in law, if you if i have a conversation with someone in the pub, which i don't go to, but a cof

i think some people, shaber might have a hard time looking in the mirror after this one. now, let's stick up in the conversation. stay with me here, tony, because gaza is in the grip of humanitarian catastrophe as we're here. this, not my words, but the red cross society there, now resources have dwindled and more than half the population have fled their homes, and although limited aid has trickled into the coastal enclave, israeli bombing continues to compound the situation. more than a month ago, these palestinians in gaza had a home, somewhere to sleep, to cook, eat, for norhann and others, now life is in the open, in the streets. a daily struggle simply to survive. we are suffering, every day we are suffering. we are no longer familiar with vegetables, tomatoes, cucumbers, potatoes, have all been erased from our lives completely. more than million palestinians have been displaced from northern gaza and forced to move to the south. bakeries across the strip have been closed because they've run out of fuel or flour or out of fear of israeli air strikes. several have bee

peter. former british ambassador to syria joins us from manchester, we also have shaber risby, political commentator who joins us from chicago. welcome to you both. peter ford, uh, this uh ceasefire or pause or humanitarian trouse, uh, it's your choice, what you'd like to call it, uh, comes amids uh, many speculations as to what's going to happen afterwards, um, it may extend, but if it doesn't, then uh, that would mean that israel most likely is going to continue with this bombing of the gaza strip, as it's doing right now, before uh, it is taken this truth to have taken a place, but there's something really wrong if the bombing campaign continues, what can be done in order for for that to or for the ceasefire to remain a permanent one or? for israel not to continue his bombing campaign if the ceasefire were to expire? i believe the only thing which will halt the israelis is the military power, the continuing resistance of the resistance forces in gaza itself, and the resistance from the resistance forces in in lebanon, which is tying up half the israeli army. there on the israel lebano

also with this is shaber rizvy, political commentator in chicago. welcome to the show gentlemen, now beginning uh with you, why do we see uh what uh some hamas leaders and also uh especially this yemen and sarala leader uh calling more serious and effective action from latin american countries instead of arab. and muslim countries regarding what israeli force are doing in gaza? it's obvious that from recent events the gulf arab monarchies which have been installed in place by the british since maybe hundred or more years ago, they've essentially used their american uh made uh patriots missiles and other systems to block. the various retaliatory strikes coming from yemen in support of the palestinians. now if the if these regimes were truly in support of the palestinians that they may give lip service to here and again. why why is it their business to block those missiles. so just goes to show that these regimes are absolutely in the pockets of the zionist regime of the american regime and therefore the uh various countries as you mentioned in latin

well shaber estimates various to the number of people who've been killed in gaza, as so many are still under the rab ruble from between 15,000 to 20,000 or just some of the estimates and and it is quite shocking to fathem, and yet the bombings were washed in real time for 48 days without being stopped. i just want your thoughts overall on and what does that say about the so-called existence of the... international community that's supposed to um make sure that they stop uh disputes and and stop war and war crimes, and yet this has gone on for 48 days live. well look, it's very clear that the zionist entity was created by the british, the city of london where i am sitting, back over 100 years ago under the... balfer declaration and then continuously was supported by british when britain had a mandate after the first world war and after the second world war and then obviously the creation of the state of the zionist entity so and also like biden when he was young senator said if israel wasn't there we would have had to create it so really it's a colonial race. imperialist project which h