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. >> shawn henry may have more information on that. that must have been one of the excuses if you will all along during this difficult entrepreneur sepisode to say the lease. >> i recall that. shawn, do you have anything to add on that front? >> we are looking at where servers are located and clearly, they are going after organizations and we talked about the white house and the joint chiefs and the state department itself and the government networks and the dnc as an entity that's required or recognized as maintaining this type of information. i will add a point that andrea made, to be clear when i worked at the fbi, we looked at the source of information that was being targeted which was one of the many, many pieces that went into us doing attribution. was this a terrorist group or an organized crime group? in this particular case, what we saw was two separate intelligence group operated bide the russian government or on behalf of the russian government. we did not see anything related to organized crimes. those are the groups that wo

pete, joining us now is msnbc contributor and former executive assistant director of the fbi, shawn henry. shawn, i'm glad you're here to help us right now. a lot of the scrutiny around this investigation is focused on this sort of three-hour gap and whether more could have been done. where do you see as sort of the i guess they're not holes but the real source of the investigation is as they monday morning quarterback and see what differently could have been done under extraordinary circumstances like they were in that pulse nightclub eight days ago. >> yeah. i don't see any holes with what i've seen with the timeline. certainly there are a lot of questions, people want to know. they have lost loved ones and they want to understand exactly what happened and is there a way that their loved one could have been saved. clearly this -- this presser today, press conference was really about trying to answer those questions because there has been a lot of criticism. i think when the officers go in, there's the initial shots fired and that he retreats. the killer retreats to another part of the c

i want to bring in shawn henry, former fbi assistant director.hank you for joining me. >> thanks, kristin. >> we will start with the holiday weekend. one of the busiest travel weekend of the year. there are concerns about isis calling for more attacks here on our soil. how would you assess the threat level this weekend heading into this holiday? >> isis has called at the end of ramadan for this to be a time for them to launch attacks. it core late with the fourth of july weekend where we see a lot of travellers. i think this is a 24/7, 365 day a year issue while people will be alert because they are out traveling. this weekend, is really the efforts will be taken by law enforcement. we need to carry them forward. i think we see a change going forward. they will continue to look at soft targets. they want to strike here in the united states. what they did in turkey and brussels and paris they would like to do here. fortunately we have been able to identify many of the groups. despite that, this is something we all need to be concerned about and we

msnbc contributor, shawn henry.ng about this more in days and weeks to come. thank you. >>> we turn back to the tragedy in orlando, florida, new revelations about the shooter, sources tell msnbc his wife tried to talk him out of the attack. live from orlando, as we head to break we will show you lester holt's interview, whose desperate search for her son touched so many. >> if i had known that my son was in the club, laying on the floor, i would have gone in myself and brought him on my back and carried him the two blocks to the trauma center. >> reporter: have you accepted that he's gone? >> i had accepted it before. my heart wanted him alive and he is always going to be alive in my heart. it's how i try to live... how i stay active. so i need nutrition... that won't weigh me down. for the nutrition you want without the calories you don't... try boost® 100 calories. each delicious snack size drink gives you... and it's available in two new flavors, 25 vitamins and minerals and 10 grams of protein. vanilla caramel a

we are talking importantly with shawn henry who is a former executive assistant director of the fbi.nbc news consultant for some time now and president of the firm. crowd strike was hired by the dnc when they had a problem and shawn, companies and government agencies, hired you as well? >> yeah, most of our work is through the commercial sector. there is a broad targeting of commercial intellect property and etcetera, major companies that are intunder attack as wels organized crime groups looking for specific information, those are the types of information that we are respond to that. andrea mitchell remains to us in washington. if you are the russians, what do you want to know about donald trump and why would you want the intel being held in the computers of the opposition party? >> first of all, you want to know everything about donald trump. he's new to politics say did not have a play book on him going back and you want to know what kind of advisory he would be and how could you take advantage of him and what are his vulnerabilities and you would want the psychological profile an

we want to bring back into our conversation shawn henry, former executive assistant director of the fbi and current chief security officer with crowd strike. shawn, i heard you put it in such a way that it kind of refocuses the mind. 103 people were shot. 50 of them were lost. 11 police officers discharged their weapons. and then after the fact it appears isis is saying of this guy he was one of ours. >> yeah, that's right. i think they're going to exploit that. the fact that he made that 911 phone call apparently and that there was some affiliation. not clear he was directed. i think pete williams talked about this just a little earlier, brian, that it's not very clear, but he was inspired. if isis has the opportunity to exploit that and show some connectivity, it helps to empower others. it may help to inspire others. it may help in terms of recruitment. it's a sad, sad world, but that's the nature of this, but that's what isis does and they do it very well, to use social media to exploit their warped view of the world. >> this is a very important distinction in the days that come. yo

. >> let's bring in shawn henry, former assistant director with the fbi. let's talk about some of the reporting that the gunman reportedly had visited this club in the past and had profiles on a multitude of gay messaging apps. what do you make of that? what do these strands of information suggest? >> when i think about that from an investigative perspective, two things come to mind. is he doing reconnaissance? looking at how the nightclub is set up, how many people there are. how big of an impact will it have if he does an attack. is he struggle with his own sexual identity. >> incredible contradiction. his dad said perhaps what triggered his outrage against the gay community was maybe seeing two men kissing weeks prior. again, is this plotting or is this a smokescreen to cover up something that he wants to hide? >> i think that that's right when you think about if he's out on apps, is he looking to infiltrate the community because he wants to launch an attack or going through this personal issue. >> the investigation centers on the people who knew him be

. >>> shawn henry, the president of crowd strike services, a company dedicated to preventing cyber attacks actually. people mix us up all the time. let's go back to what pete just talked about. and the fbi, basically talking and interviewing omar mateen three times. at that point, not really knowing if he was self-radicalized. if he was anything more than -- more than a misguided young man. but what sort of evidence were they looking for? what would have been more concrete? what did they need to know in order to take more -- take action against him? >> you know, this is the most challenging issue for law enforcement, people that are self-radicalized. that make appear incendiary, that may make statements about hatred to america or concerns about american society. but until that raises to the level of suspicion where somebody is about to take a violent act, a lot of that is protected speech. and the constitution affords that right to people. it's so difficult for the fbi and law enforcement, to make the balance and judgment calls, protecting privacy and first amendment rights, versus taking

. >>> shawn henry is a terrorism expert and the company dedicated to preventing and responding to cyberavannah. >> it's in thely, actually, but let's pick up. >> people mix us up all of the time, but let's go back to what pete just talked about and the fbi. basically talking and interviewing omar mateen three times and at that point not really knowing if he was self-radicalized and if he was anything more than a misguided young man, but what sort of evidence were they looking for? what would have been more concrete? what would they need to know in order to take action against him? >> you know, this is the most challenging issue right now for law enforcement is these people that are self-radicalized, who make statements that may appear to those around them to be incendiary. they may make statements about hatred of america or concerns that they have been american society, but until that rises to the level of suspicion where somebody is about to take some type of a violent act, a lot of that is protected speech and the constitution affords that right to people. it's so difficult for the fb

let's bring in retired director of the fbi shawn henry.ng of the attacks and the way they were carried out? >> clearly this is an attack on a soft target. we know what their intent is. their intent is to inflict as much harm, fear, frustration and confusion into the civilian population. when we speak about the security, why don't we put security further out, outside in the parking lots. in reality you're just moving the soft target farther and p t farther away. at some point you're going to have a group of civilians unprotected coming through the security area. that's where the vulnerability now becomes. >> two years to the dae y of th califate being declared, also obviously attacks during ramadan have been suggested in the past. are we looking possibly at this attack commemorating the two-year anniversary? >> it's possible. i'm not sure isis operates with this degree of symbolism when it comes to specific dates. the lead ership of isis was calling for more attacks around the world. we're approaching the end of ramadan which is one of the