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joining me now is senator sheldon whitehouse, a member of the senate judiciary committee and author ofse dark money to capture the supreme court. senator whitehouse, it is great to have you back on the show. thank you so much for making time for us. let us start very broad here for a second. what is the scheme you investigate in your book, sir? >> well, i think you gave an excellent summary of it in your previous segment. the only thing i would add is that i think behind the federalist society effort were a bunch of billionaires who were using the federalist society as kind of a screen. and down the hall from the federalist society, literally in the same building, was the judicious creations network, where the same billionaires dump their money to run their ads against garland and for gorsuch kavanaugh and. barrett and in the court now with the 6 to 3 majority seeing flotillas of phony front groups come in, also backed by billionaire interests, to give the court instructions, now that they've got them on the court, as to what it is the billionaire interest who put them on the court now

the author is rhode island senator sheldon whitehouse, who is a member of the senate judiciary committee now. thank you very much for joining us tonight. and thank you for this book, which i absolutely love. i know the answer to my first question, because i've read this book. but let me play as if i do not. please tell us how the louis powell memo became a point of controversy in his senate confirmation hearing for the supreme court. >> yeah, interesting, isn't it? because it was not a point of controversy. the reason it was not a point of controversy is because it was never disclosed to the senate. it was -- >> this is one of the examples why you, judiciary committee members now, are always asking for everything a nominee has written. >> yeah, would have been a very different confirmation process for lewis powell if people knew going in that he had written a plan going in for providing strength and corporate control over american democracy by control over the judiciary. >> is it all there when you look at those 34 pages of the fouled member, can you see everything that's come to the fru

i'm joined now by democratic senator sheldon whitehouse of rhode island.right wing used dark money to capture the supreme court. thanks so much for joining us. your book zeros in on dark money and how it played into the supreme court and control of the supreme court, but now there's a fixture on elections in general as well. 1 president $3 billion and counting before the midterms. what has that money done in terms of impact on elections in your view? >> it's done a couple of things. it's taken issues like climate change and made them impossible for us to work on because the whole client denial operation is funded by dark money. it's moved the center of gravity of political campaigns away from the campaigns themselves and to these so-called outside groups that spend dark money. and they often spend more money than the actual campaigns themselves now. and, of course, the prolonged campaign now, success tofl capture the court for those big dark money donors is a third element of this problem. >> talk about the impact on the courts and why you view that as pro

senator sheldon whitehouse. the book is called the scheme and it is out today. se thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, and up next. no matter how much he wishes that it was so, donald trump, he's a regular guy, he's not above the law. despite his attempts to avoid it, a judge is ordering him to sit down for a deposition tomorrow in a defamation lawsuit brought by ag karen, one of the many women, many who say trump sexually assaulted them. we will be right back. right back. the not-too-distant future of lincoln. ♪♪ what's also nice... the prequel is pretty-sweet, too. ♪♪ people remember ads with young people having a good time. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a pool party. ♪ good times. insurance! ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ homegrown tomatoes...nice. i want to feel in control of my health, so i do what i can. what about screening for colon cancer? when caught in early stages it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and i detect altered dna in

sheldon whitehouse of rhode island had pointed out there is 80 decisions that fly under the radar becauses not a hot button issue. they are totally in favor of big business against labor and different environmental standards and different regulatory practices. all of this is impacting the country. i think that the court is really failing us. host: mitchell, you mentioned the epa. one of the cases the court is hearing today could offer an -- offer, the wall street journey -- journal rights, an early sign of whether the court's majority will continue refashioning federal law that they pursued last term. they will be hearing articles on whether -- arguments on whether to curb the power to fight water pollution after the decision limiting the authority to combat greenhouse gas emissions. that was a long time supreme court reporter out of the wall street journal. this is george in virginia. you are next. high level of trust in the supreme court. guest: good morning. i support the supreme court. it's one of the three equal parts of government. it's probably the best part of government. people m

[inaudible] statement the person who gets it like sheldon whitehouse gets it.k he wanted to be the chair of the senate judiciary committeeit. democrats went with the establishment guy did durbin and not the dick durbin is bad. whitehouse wanted that job. these kinds of things are part of the problem. >> my question is more my favorite you for is where you talk about people telling you how to shoot you should respond to racism and it shocked me and i have to say when i read that i know a lot of really really good people good people who think they are doing the right thing and i think i'm doing the right thing. but i no they are not and i know we are not. we are not always. what do you personally because you can't speak for all black people i know that but what do black people need from us? what is it that we can do on a daily basis? >> thank you for the question but i get that question a lot and i appreciate you saying you understand that i can't be for all black people it's important to know that i'm not trying to however what i generally need from an ally is f

[inaudible question] >> the person who gets it, sheldon whitehouse gets it and he was up, wanted to be chair of the senate judiciary committee, democrats went with dick durbin not that dick durbin is bad but the white house wanted that job but these things -- >> thanks for being here. we are only halfway through but my question, one of my favorite essays you have written, white people telling you how you should respond to racism and it shocked me i have to say. i thought i was pretty good. i know a lot of really good people, good white people who think they are doing the right thing and i think i am doing the right thing but i know they are not and i know we are not always and maybe we are. what do you need personally because you can't speak for all black people to what do black people need from us? what can we do on a daily basis? >> guest: i appreciate you saying i understand -- it is important that i'm not trying to. however, what i generally need from an ally is for them to sound like me in the rooms where i am invited. which, now, my white friends will attest to this, that's a pre

. >> joining me now is democratic senator sheldon whitehouse of rhode island, author of the new book supreme court. i'm glad to have you here sir. the election was stolen from him. what do you make of the former president still storming down that road? >> well, you know, he has all sorts of issues related to telling the truth and related to losing. he's going to be who is going to be. what's much more distressing to me is grown up adorable cans who have been elected to office refusing to push back on it and yielding to the lies and going along with them. i think that's a pretty bleak place for that party to be right now. >> for one brief, shining moment, a few of them in high positions did so immediately after the january 6th insurrection. they went back to their prior positions of constant support of him. let me move on to his subpoena from the select committee. do you think they will get meaningful testimony from trump? will they even participate? >> i would expect not. he is all sort of perilous being under oath. i think they will insist on his testimony be an under oath. i would

senator sheldon whitehouse, a very important topic, it's crucial to our democracy. thanks so much for your time, we appreciate it. again, he is the aughting of "the scheme: how the right wing used dark money to capture the supreme court." be sure to check that out. >>> and this just into cnn in the last several minutes author salman rushdie has lost sight in one eye and the use of one hand after he was stabbed -- remember this -- after he was stabbed in a violent attack two months ago that's according to his agent who says the nerves to rushdie's hands were severed. the 75-year-old rushdie had three serious wounds to his neck and another 15 injuries to his chest and torso. his agent declined to say whether he was still hospitalized. a new jersey resident pleaded not guilty to attempted murder and sault in that attack. >>> coming up next, some of the classified documents the fbi recovered from mar-a-lago included highly sensitive intelligence regarding iran and china. former cia director and secretary of defense leon panetta, there he is, always an important and live

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. >> yeah, sheldon whitehouse out there by himself. >> by himself in the senate.from -- i was talking to hank johnson this weekend, congressman from georgia. they've got a bill in the house ready to do this. there are people who want to do this, but not enough. so when you see the legitimacy of the supreme court taking a nosedive, at some point you have to question, when is it going take legitimacy in the eyes of the people of congress? because the american people are already there. elie mystal, i always run out of time. come back and talk about the biggest case we should be looking at in this term, some of which include independent state theory. thank you so much for being here. >>> later in the show, why the obamas are celebrating a development decades in the making. >>> first, new legal heat on the maga governor ron desantis. i talk live to a prosecutor suing desantis in a case that could get desantis deposed. when enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and delicious taste. plus, superior nutrition. because the way we care is anything but

sheldon whitehouse of rhode island had pointed out there is 80 decisions that fly under the radar, it's not a hot button issue. they are totally in favor of big business against labor and different environmental standards in different regulatory practices. all of this is impacting the country. the court is really failing us. host: you mentioned the epa. one of the cases the court is hearing today could offer an early sign of whether the court's majority will continue refashioning federal law that they pursued last term. they will be hearing articles and whether to curb the power to fight water pollution after the decision limiting the authority to combat greenhouse gas emissions. that was a long time supreme court reporter out of the wall street journal. this is george in virginia. you are next. caller: good morning. i support the supreme court. it's one of the three equal parts of government. it's probably the best part of government. people may disagree on the decisions. i disagreed when they said you can't pray in school. that's the way the system works. we've got a very good system.

joining us now we have democratic senator sheldon whitehouse of rhode island.s on the book, senator. i want to talk to you about the mid terms. and i'm curious, as we look at pennsylvania and we look at georgia, we have two republican candidates who, to say the very, very least, have had trouble telling the truth over the years. i mean that's the fairest most sum am terms. but we could go deeper into the problems with the republican candidates. the my question to you is why are the democrats not doing better? is it the cant dates or the message? i would say it's neither. i would direct your attention to the recent npr story. they're about to hit $1 billion in dark money spending for their benefit. that if it weren't for this dark money spending, they would be swamped on the airwaves. it is nearly 90% of the funding supporting that. and my personal feeling, i'm a bit of an outrider on this i think we missed a huge, huge opportunity with voters who are sick of the dark money, sick of the corporate influence and not being listened to to draw the connection between