this new strategy is to try to blame only john eastman or sidney powell or congressman scott perry or others and not president trump. in this version, the president was "poorly served" by these outside advisers. the strategy is to blame people his advisers called "the crazies" for what donald trump did. this, of course, is nonsense. president trump is a 76-year-old man. he is not an impressionable child. just likeveryone else in our country, he is responsible for his own actions and his own choices. as our investigation has shown, donald trump had access to more detailed and specific information showing that the election was not actually stolen than almost any other american, and he was told this over and over again. no rational or sane man in his position could disregard that information and reach the opposite conclusion. and donald trump cannot escape responsibility by being willfully blind, nor can any argument of any kind excuse president trump's behavior during the violent attack on january 6. as you watch our hearing today, i would urge you to keep your eye on two specific point

i saw sidney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people who were in the oval office. >> explain why. >> well, yeah, i don't think they were providing -- the overstock person i didn't know who this guy was. actually, the first thing i did, i walked in, i looked at him, and i said who are you? and he told me. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice and so i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> there it was. still stunning. watching it play back and having processed it. talk about what this means, though, in terms of potential criminality, not just for the president. we'll get to that but for all the people involved in the coup plot. >> it's looking bad for all of them. let me start with the president. it follows directly from that quote we just saw. what it shows is that sidney powell, the president orchestrated to name her special counsel. the idea that she's special counsel to anyone is frightening, but particularly to the united states government. and one of

if you look at the actual order, that sidney powell showed up with, with general flynn, it basically goes on to say that there was probable cause of election fraud, which there was not. it goes on to allow sidney powell to bring civil actions and criminal actions against anybody involved in this, which would have been complete craziness. the idea that she could go out and prosecute people willy-nilly for no real basis. across the country. this is nuts. article really struck me about this was, white house counsel people and staff, to get rid of these clowns and get them out of the oval office. but then, it had been hours, somehow he spoke to somebody, somehow he came up with this plan, sending out the street inviting all the crazies to washington for january 6. >> speaking of tweets, when trump realized that he wasn't going to get what he wanted, he went on twitter just hours later, and part of that infamous treat saying january 6 will be wild. what did they take from that tweet? >> he took a cue from that street. we have been monitoring that event for a few weeks before. it is what w

the opportunity to make powell a special counsel. >> i walk in. i sought flynn. i saw sidney foul powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. >> first of all, the overstock person, i had no idea who this guy was. the first thing i did, i walked in, i looked at him and said," who are you?" he told me. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> in the short period of time that you had with the president, that he seemed receptive to the presentation you are making? >> he was very interested in hearing particularly about the terms of 138 for a that apparently nobody else bothered to inform them of. super learning and hirschman and whoever the other guy was showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> the three of them were really sort of forcefully attacking -- verbally -- and we were pushing back. we were asking simple questions as a general matter. where is the evidence? >> if it had been me sitting in his chair, i would have fired all of them at

and then it sort of explodes according to the testimony we just heard into this battle where sidney powell said the president says see what i have to deal with, these people don't support me, they are not giving me options at this point, and flynn and powell sort of saying that they can provide these other options, they are talking about, you know, thermostats and links to the voting machines and why they should be seized and bill barr had said he did not see any evidence that would allow the d.o.j. to go further into that investigation to seize any machines. painted a vivid picture, john and sandra, of who was happening in the room and the case they are making, is because that was such an unsatisfactory and chaotic night, the case they are making is that led the then president donald trump to tweet, you know, jan 6, be there, it will be wild, and reach out over twitter and make sure people came to make their feelings known, and near the capitol building on january 6th, and then they make the leap i think is a little tricky, goes into the response of people on twitter, what they were sayin

sidney powell pushing wild conspiracy theories without any evidence to back up their false claim. >> at some point you have to put up or shut up, that was my view. >> reporter: all of it came to a head during an explosive meeting at the white house on december 18th. unofficial advisers in the oval office, pushing outlandish plans

sidney powell. [ light laughter ] also, when did diet dr.come the preferred beverage of unhinged, pro-coup republicans a couple months ago, sarah palin, who is now running for congress in alaska, was talking about how she'd react to the media on capitol hill if she wins, and said this. >> i anticipate that when i walk down that hall to get my diet dr. pepper, sure, the jackals are going to be there doing their jackaling. >>seth: man, terrible branding for diet dr. pepper. [ laughter ] this is the worst thing to happen to a soft drink since that photo emerged of mussolini drinking a fanta [ laughter ] "bad news. yeah, sidney powell was drinking a dr. pepper during the hearings." "well, could you tell it was a dr. pepper?" "yeah, she had the label out!" [ laughter ] so, the only thing stopping these nut jobs from retaking power is the democratic party, which, at the moment, is not a comforting thought virtually their entire domestic agenda in congress has been repeatedly stymied by joe manchin, who just doomed a compromise of a compromise, of

. >> reporter: instead, trump turned to outside advisers like lawyer sidney powell, who embraced conspiracy theorys and suggesting seizing voting machines, all without providing any proof of election fraud. >> at some point, you have to put up or shut up. that was my view. >> why was this on -- on a broader scale, a bad idea for the country? >> to have the federal government seize voting machines, it's a terrible idea. that's not how we do things in the united states. >> reporter: the clash between trump's outside advisers and his white house team coming to a head on december 18th, at an explosive meeting in the white house. >> i opened the door and i walked in, i saw general flynn, i saw sidney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. >> explain that. >> at one point, general flynn took out a diagram that supposedly showed ip addresses all over the world and who was communicating with whom via the machines and some comment about, like, nest thermostats become hooked up to the internet. >> reporter: the white house team arguing with lawyer sidney powell, w

i saw sidney powell sitting there.ot happy to see the people in the oval office. >> explain why. >> again, i don't think they were providing -- first of all, overstock, i didn't know who this guy was. the first thing i did i walked in and said, who are you? and he told me. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. so i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> in the short period of time you had with the president, did he seem receptive to the presentation that you were making? >>s he was very interested in hearing particularly about the sympathizing and the terms of 13848 that nobody else had bothered to inform him of. >> democrats are working with hugo chavez and whomever else. at one point, general flynn took out a diagram that supposedly showed all over the world. who was communicating with whom via the machines and some comment about nest thermostats being hooked up to the internet. >> it's been reported the dominion voting machines and various election fraud claims that i

the day we landed where we started the meeting, at least from a structural standpoint, which was sidney powelld mike powell was fighting, looking for avenues that would result in president trump remaining president trump for a second term. >> the meeting finally ended after midnight. here are text messages from kathy hutchinson during and after the meeting. you can see miss hutchinson reported that the meeting in the west wing was unhinged. it finally break up after midnight in the early morning of december 19th. kathy hutchinson of mike meadows escorting rudy giuliani off the white house grounds to make sure, that he may have wandered in the white house. >> he may still be there. we're excited to have with us alex wagner. great to have you here, alex. >> hi. sorry for the circumstances to join us all together. >> december 19th meeting. we know it happened. but we get all of the accounts of the people that were screaming and trying to contain it. >> the white house council running into the oval saying, how did you guys get in here? apparently it is easy to get no the oval office. this rag tag

be there or be wild. >> take michael flynn, sidney powell, rudy giuliani, this is not normal. this is bad. this is what is so alarming about it. we had people in the oval office, and the residence, trying to get the president to do the things that would've been historically dangerous. historically abuse of power. historically irresponsible. only because of a few level heads, so baloney, hirschman and others, he was drawn back from the brink of that. >> what are you say about people who do not speak out about it? do you think that cipollone would've had information ? see the -- >> we are talking about historically unprecedented. imagine any other administration in the history of this country had links directly or indirectly to extremist groups, right? i would want to hear how cipollone patrice himself? did you know anything about these extremist groups and what did you do about it? >> if you are taking counsel or people like the proud boys or old keepers, they are looking up to you and telling you in the policies, isn't there something wrong? >> that should be a warning. donald

came to the explosive meeting. >> i opened the door and i walked in, i saw general flynn, i saw sidney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. >> cipollone and whoever the other gal was showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> and they were asking one simple question as a general matter. where is the evidence? >> and she says, well, the judges are corrupt. and i was, like, every one? every single case that you've done in the country you guys lost? every one of them is corrupt, even the ones we appointed? >> reporter: when the meeting broke up well after midnight, trump fired off this tweet, calling his supporters to washington on january 6th, telling them, be there, will be wild. for some in the right-wing fringe, that one tweet was an instant call to action. the committee arguing that trump summoned an armed mob to washington, d.c., aided by his supporters in the far-right media. >> he is now calling on we the people to take action and to show our numbers. >> if necessary, storming right into the capitol. >> january 6th, there are going

i saw general flynn, i saw sidney powell sitting there. not happy to see the people in the oval office. >> was the meeting tense? >> oh, yeah. it was not a casual meeting. >> explain. >> at times, there were people shouting at each other, hurling insults at each other. it wasn't just sort of people sitting around on a couch, like chitchatting. >> they showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. it was late at night, it had been a long day, what they were proposing, i thought was nuts. >> i'm going to categorically describe it as you guys are not tough enough. or maybe, put it another way, you're a bunch of -- excuse the expression. i'm almost certain the word was used. lisa: that was essentially a battle for the soul of thehite house. as the hours long meeting ran on and on, after it ended around 1:42 in the morning came the tweet you talked about earlier. the president asking people to come to january 6 for a while protest. that tweet was sent o

sidney powell was flighting. mike flynn was fighting. they were looking for avenues that would enable -- that would result in president trump remaining president trump for a second term. >> remaining president trump. when you're doing that after you've lost, that is using government power for a coup. and they wanted to name powell special counsel, a sort of muller-esque idea that she would then have this power and exercise it. remember, when this did falter after that hours' long "hundred inged" meeting is when donald trump tweet about navarro'sed whys about election fraud, and rt if first time, summoning everyone to come to washington on january 6th. michelle. >> look, i think that i would actually be careful about the word military coup. i think he was clearly attempting a military coup. military coup you might think of the military rounding people up, shutting down the government. he wanted to use the military in furtherance of his own coup attempt, if that's not too much of a distinction. one of the things that -- this goes to trump'

. >> i saw sidney powell sitting there. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. >> the encouragement, they were showing nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> asking one simple question, as a general matter. where is the evidence? >> what response did you get when you asked this panel for evidence? >> a variety of responses. including, i can't believe you would say something -- things like this. cnet they would say well, we don't have it now, but we will. flynn stood up and was screaming at me. i yelled back. you better sit your effing -- down. >> reporter: they wanted them to seize voting machines. >> can the federal government sees voting machines? that's a terrible idea. that's not how we do things in the united states. we don't have the authority to do that. >> reporter: trump wanted to appoint sidney powell the clearance. he along with other cabinet members encourage him to concede the election. >> conveyed to him that i thought it was time for him to acknowledge

i saw sidney powell sitting there. these people were providing the president with good advice. >> was the meeting tense? >> oh, yeah. it was not a casual meeting. at times there were people shouting at each other. throwing insults at each other. >> cipollone and hirshmann and whoever the other guy was showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> the three of them were really forcefully attacking me verbally. >> i think it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. i mean, you've got people walking in, it was late at night, it had been a long day, and what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >> i thought that the president did not have the authority to do what was being suggested under a proper reading of the law. i conveyed that. i think i actually -- somebody in the vice president's, just blame me. i think the vice president did the right thing. i think he did the courageous thing. i think he did a great service to this country. and i think i suggested to somebody th

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to appoint sidney powell as a special counsel to investigate voter fraud.e was right there in the center of that meet that was under so much scrutiny. >> john, i think as we watch the hearings, we're seeing more dots connected than we thought would be. of course, the most important dot might have been that cassidy hutchinson testimony. but when you look at this all together, what does this reveal to you about the approach of the doj, what it has been and what it should be? >> yeah. i think the justice department, if it has been really active in this investigation beyond the rioters themselves, it's doing so in a very covert way because there's very little public action, i know there was a news article suggesting there's more of a discussion in donald trump's role in light of cassidy hutchinson's testimony. it's surprising that they waited for hutchinson to testify to do that. because cassidy hutchinson's testimony was very compelling, newsworthy. judge david carter in california several months ago wrote a piece involving john eastman in which judge carter s

sidney powell included and patrick byrne on the end who is the ceo of overstock.com. the testimony today was that it was not clear they had been invited to the white house. they somehow at the last minute were able to get into the oval office. they all presented the testimony today saying conspiracy theories that ran the gamut pushing the president to do things like declare martial law, to seize election machines, those kinds of things. also coming into the oval office during that meeting were actual white house staffers. there you see some of them who were involved. the attorney, the staff secretary, mark meadows, chief of staff in and out. and the president's house counsel pat cipollone. they were pushing back at the others in what was described in an extensive montage as a very hostile confrontation. let us listen to how they explained that in the hearing today. >> i opened the door and i walked in. i saw general flynn, i saw sydney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people who were in the oval office. >> was the meeting tense? >> oh yeah, it was not

sidney powell proposed declaring a national security emergency. granting her and her cabal top secret security clearances and using the u.s. government to seize dominion voting machines. in disbelief, a white house adviser yelled out to an aide in the outer oval office, get pat down here immediately. several minutes later, white house counsel pat cipollone walked into the oval office. powell continued to elaborate on a fan taft cal election narrative involving venezuela, iran, china, and others. by now, people were yelling and cursing. cipollone and other officials said that powell's theories were nonsensical. flynn went berserk. you're quitting. you're a quitter. you're not fighting. he exploded. and then turned to the president, sir, we need fighters. cipollone, standing his ground amidst this mishmash of conspiracies saying they were totally wrong. he aggressively dee defended the d.o.j. and the fbi saying they had looked into every major claim of fraud that had been reported. they were now in hour four of a meeting unprecedented even by the de

>> i waved in general flynn and sidney powell on the 18th, friday night of the 18th. >> i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> for which mark meadows' office revoked by guest privileges. i could no long a get people in the complex after that. >> was it wrong for your aide to facilitate that meeting? >> i have no comment. i had no knowledge. he was working off the reservation. it's unfortunate he's got implicated in that. >> well, he may be implicated but zeigler will now testify as his former boss there avoids doing so, and this could yield new details about pushing trump to abuse power through the idea of getting the military to grab voting machines or work with sidney powell. it comes the the committee gets new evidence from secret service as soon as tomorrow. then there's this week's scheduled primetime hearing about how donald trump failed to act or combat the insurrection realtime, and that, taken together with these other hearings -- trump welcomed this as the foreseeable or welcomed result. as agents trying to protect members of congress, congressional leaders were repeatedly

is word the committee met today with one of the people in that bizarre white house meeting with sidney powell, michael flynn and the overstock.com guy patrick byrne were trying to thwart biden's victory. they met with the overstock guy for six hours, which i want to hear more about. joining us is someone who was in all the meetings, congresswoman lovgren. appreciate you being with us. after meeting with the inspector general today, does the explanation of the missing text messages make any more sense to you? >> not really. but i think it's worth noting that a spokesperson for the secret service issued a statement last night, and they said that although some data had been lost, that all of the texts that the inspector general was seeking were still available. so we need to get all the texts from the 5th and the 6th over to our committee asap if what they said is correct, that those texts have not in fact, been deleted. i will say that the explanation that you have to factory set and eliminate your data without backing up your data just seems -- i'm skeptical. i wouldn't do that on my personal

appoint sidney powell as special counsel.e always know some of trump's lawyers including white house counsel pat cipollone were pushing back. we're going to see isn all likelihood, deposition clips from pat cipollone to give us insight into the meeting. what we do know for sure, just a couple hours after that meeting ended donald trump sends the fateful tweet, be there, will be wild. by the way, this is why january 6 has become january 6. it's going to be is there any connection between that tweet and the meeting that preceded it? >> can i ask, elie, we heard all morning long, why would that be important to tie the tweet to the meeting to the language? >> because there's some decision, hey, we were going to have this rally on january 6 there could be something that led donald trump to tweet it will be wild. by the way, it wasn't just that tweet, donald trump over the next several weeks tweeted and retweeted about ten times hyping up this rally like it was some kind of heavyweight boxing match. finally, of course, the rally ha

. >> appointed sidney powell special counsel to investigate the election. she wanted the military to seize voting machines. cipollone was appalled. >> to have the federal government seize voting machines? it's a terrible idea. >> after the meeting, president trump fired off a tweet which the committee says fueled the riot. coaxing his supporters to descend on washington on januar. the president said it would be, quote. wild. >> how do you mobilize a crowd in 2020 with millions of followers on twitter, president trump knew exactly how to do it. a former twitter employee testified anonymously if president trump were anyone else they would have suspended him long ago. >> my concern was that the former president was speaking directly to extremist organizations. and giving them directives. >> a former member of the violent militia group, the oath keepers told the committee how bad 1/6 could have been especially after the president stoked the mob. >> we need to quit mincing words and just talk about truths and this could have been the spark that started a new civ

reality of defeat, but the new executive order declaring seizure of the election machinery and sidney powellas counsel was not going to work, either. and that is when he decided to turn to his final ace in the hole or his hail mary task, which is to go back to what he thought was the touchstone in the foundation of his political power, the crowd, the mob. an hour after all of those people left the white house, he sent out this tweet about a big protest in washington on january 6, which up to that point had not been a date in the consciousness of the extreme right and the domestic violent stream is groups and his followers, but at that point he catalyzed and organized all of the opposition to the election to the day of the counting of the electoral college votes. he became the first president in our history to mobilize a protest against the peaceful transfer of power. as we showed in the meeting it had an explosive effect, generally among trump's followers, but especially among the domestic violent extremist groups who very quickly adopted the date, began organizing and mobilizing to get peop

the two lawyers, who have since had their license suspended, rudy giuliani and sidney powell weren't there, along with the self confessed criminal, former general michael flynn, who was pardoned by donald trump, to avoid a prison sentence. and the former ceo of over.com. patrick byrne. there was no testimony about what patrick byrne contributed to the meeting today. four days before that meeting, the electoral college officially voted with joe biden, winning the clear majority of the votes of the electoral college. at that point, the top republican in the senate, mitch mcconnell, gave a speech, finally congratulating joe biden, on his victory in the presidential election, a victory joe biden earned weeks before that. attorney general william barr, testify to the january 6th committee, that as far as he was concerned, the electoral college vote on december 14th was quote, the end of the matter. today, white house counsel, that cipollone, testified on video, recorded on friday, that he believed donald trump should then have conceded to joe biden, after the electoral college voted. cipo

. >> so, not sidney powell? >> not sidney powell, no. >> i got it. thank you, john wood. i set you up. sorry. my sarcasm was supposed to translate over the air waves to you. i guess it did not. thank you for being here. i prirchlt. >>> now, everyone, i want you to watch this and ask yourself, did it sound like the committee is sending a not-so-subtle message to the justice department? listen. >> president trump is a 76-year-old man. he is not an impressionable child. >> well, ahead, the pressure building on merrick garland as the doj investigation goes on. legal perspective and trump white house insiders join me next. artburn... frank is a fan of pepcid. it works in minutes. nexium 24 hour and prilososec otc can take one to four days to fully work. pepcid. strong relief for fans of fast. if you have type 2 diabetes or high blood pressure you're a target for chronic kidney disease. you can already have it and not know it. if you have chronic kidney disease your kidney health could depend on what you do today. ♪far-xi-ga♪ farxiga is a pill that works in the kidneys to help

house meeting described as an 90 screaming mess. >> but what they were proposing, it was nuts. >> sidney powelling, mike flynn was fighting. >> flynn yelled at me that i was a quitter. >> trump did back down on that very bad, illegal plan. and by the way, quitting on an illegal coup would be a good thing. but this was the military plot. another conspiracies prong that hits a dead end. and this is key because facing that data, and late that's the, night disarray teen, trump turned to the other plot pushed by eastman and borrow, posting what is now an infamous tweet that announces the january 6th rally, beginning, quote, peter navarro releases 36-page report alleging election fraud more than sufficient to swing victory to trump. that was the lie donald trump needed to build on, and then he summons to people to be d. c. for the first time, quote, big protest in d. c. on january 6th. it'll be wild. that's the first time trump ever told supporters there was a place to come join this fight. and none of this happened in isolation. the evidence of trump's criminal intent is worse when all the facts are

the machines instead and created a special counsel to prosecute any related crimes when attorney sidney powell was floated for the job during that heated meeting on december 18th, cipollone lost it. >> i don't think sidney powell would say that i thought it was a good idea to appoint her special counsel. i was vehemently opposed i didn't think she should be appointed to anything. >> reporter: at least one aide recognized the consequences of trump's words that day, even as he watched the insurrection unfold the committee read these texts between brad parscale and one of the organizers of the rally. >> mr. parscale said, quote, this is about trump pushing for uncertainty in our country a sitting president asking for civil war. and then when he said this week i feel guilty for helping him win. katrina pierson responded you did what you felt right at the time and therefore it was right. mr. parscale added, yeah, but a woman is dead. and, yeah, if i was trump and i knew my rhetoric killed someone -- >> when miss pierson replied it wasn't the rhetoric. mr. parscale said, katrina, yes, it was. >> rep

to have sidney powell, in the category of mr.erms of her grasp of reality, leading a conversation about seizing voting machines, we'll hear much more about that today. >> for sure. >>> now, here's a look at some of the other stories we're following this morning. the father of a student killed at marjorie stoneman douglas high school interrupted president biden yesterday at an event meant to celebrate the newly signed bipartisan gun law. the president touted the law's passage in front of an audience filled with victims, survivors, and family members of several mass shootings. before the ceremony, manuel oliver, whose 17-year-old son joaquin was killed in the 2018 shooting, took issue with the use of the word "celebration" at the event. tweeting, quote, the word "celebration" has no space in a society that saw 19 kids massacred just a month ago. oliver shouted over president biden at the white house, saying the administration needs to do more. take a look. >> will we match thoughts and prayers with action? i say yes. and that's wha

folks like sidney powell and they are advocating the president should sign an executive order that would essentially allow folks to seize voting machines. that means to end any possibility of having a credible account of the outcome of the elections. once you seize the voting machines, you can force all sorts of manipulation. it is the fact that pat cipollone shows up and puts an end to this and other than the white house rush in when they get wind of this meeting and say this can go any further, that is one of the turning points that turned out to save democracy. whether this is a legitimate witness or not, you know, that is still up for question. of course, steve bannon goes to trial on monday. that case tells other witnesses if you just refuse to show up, you will get prosecuted. he, having a privilege against testifying, has got to show up. whether he is a cooperative witness, whether he tells the full story of that meeting is a different story. if he decided to cooperate, if he was truthful, if he told the story, he could be a very important witness, but the word if is doing a lot o

that's relevant because the members of the so-called team crazy, michael flynn and sidney powell showed up at the white house for the december 8 meeting to push the voter fraud story line. that aide garrett ziegler let them in. in the wee hours of the morning following that meeting, the former president sent out the now infamous be there. it will be wild tweet summoning the mob to washington on the 6th. all the more reason that the former president should be concerned about his legal liability even as he's reportedly preparing to announce a 2024 presidential run. according to a new "rolling stone" report he's planning to run to run away from various legal troubles. in recent months he's made clear that the legal protections of occupying the oval office are front of mind people with none of the situation telling "rolling stone." trump acknowledges potential problems and said something like prosecutors couldn't get away with this while i was president. with me now paul butler, professor at georgetown law school and kurt bardella adviser to the dddnv. trump upses he's much less likely to b

for many hours, they tried to convince him to authorize sidney powell to become a special counsel for voting matters, they tried to optimize seizing voting machines, they pushed a whole range of the bunk series about fraud. and a team of folks from the white house, led by pat cipollone came in and pushed back on a lot of those claims, and tried to dispute some of the far-fetched nature of it. and then after midnight, at the end of the meeting, they get up with no resolution, and former president trump soon tweeted after that folks should come to the capital on january 6th, and it will be wild. a little unclear why he tweeted that. i talk to multiple people yesterday with direct knowledge of that meeting and he said that january 6th was not a topic of that meeting, that i didn't come up that night. that night, the election had already been, the congress already moved on december 14th, and you had the final throes of a pretty far-flung conspiracy there, president looking for answers there. one point he said to folks and lawyers, i don't know if any of this is true, but at least they're

cipollone and other white house staff walking in to confront outside supporters including attorney sidney powell who was still insisting to president trump there was election fraud >> there were people shouting at each other, throwing insults at each other. >> we're asking one simple question. as a general matter. where is the evidence? >> what response did you get? >> i would say the general disregard of backing it up. >> i would have fired all of them that night and had them escorted out of the building. >> reporter: the committee arguing this tweet sent at 1:00 a.m. where mr. trump called for a big protest in d.c. on january 6th. be there will be wild triggered prominent far right activists to start planning >> he is now calling on we the people to take action and to show our numbers >> reporter: including the extremist group, the oath keepers >> i can tell you that they may not like to call themselves a militia but they are they're a violent militia. >> reporter: jason van tatenhove is a former spokesperson he had already left the group before january 6th. >> i think the best illustration fo

the committee will lay out and we've seen sidney powell, rudy giuliani, michael flynn, three adviserskeepers, with others as this played out. one of the things we will see here both the proud boys, the oath keepers and a lesser known group called the first amendment ex-military guys, several close to michael flynn, the former military man himself, providing security for right-wing events including rallies in washington about contesting the election, including on january 5. we know here often the committee has teed up good testimony, good material for the justice department. in this case the justice department has been out ahead and charging members of the grums. 17 members of the oath keepers and the proud boys are charged with seditious conspiracy. three of them have already entered guilty pleas. the justice department has laid out the planning, the come to washington prepared to fight messaging between these groups in many of the criminal cases. then the key is can you connect it to the white house? the head of the oath keepers, this is right after election day. we aren't getting th

although when you go to that december meeting, in between the factions of sidney powell, mike flynn,e is sort of a voice for reason, but it is a voice for reason in a structure where reason is saying you can't storm the capitol and overturn the results of a free and fair election. so it's a stunningly low bar. >> yeah, i mean, david jolly, i refuse to become a hostage to the laws of relativity. i mean, if our democracy is sort of the victim of abuse, maybe cipollone wasn't kicking our democracy, but he certainly wasn't jumping up and down and trying to save it until he ended up in the oval office watching mike flynn and sidney powell and some guy he'd never seen or heard of before, the overstock.com guy in his sworn testimony trying to burn it down. what do you make of how relative to the worst actors we hold up the better ones? >> well, i think it's important we don't fall for the mere contrast because the truth is there are no heroes in the room in this moment. the heroes were the ones who would have spoken up at the time, who would have rung the alarm bell at the time, who had a d

which cipollone battled with the president's outside advisors, including controversial attorney sidney powelldraft executive order calling for the military to round up voting machines in search of fraud. >> the federal government seizing voting machines, it's a terrible idea. >> what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >> reporter: wyoming republican liz cheney says trump's allies are now trying to blame his behavior on so-called crazy outside advisors. >> this, of course, is nonsense. president trump is a 76-year-old man. he is not an impressionable child. >> reporter: a bombshell at the end of the hearing, congresswoman cheney said donald trump recently called a committee witness, a witness who has yet to testify. the witness didn't take the call and instead contacted his or her attorney. but witness tampering is a form of obstruction of justice, a potential serious federal crime. norah. >> o'donnell: more to come on that, scott macfarlane, thank you. tonight, more than 45 million americans in the northeast are under threat of severe weather. severe thunderstorm watches are up across tw

if you recall, sidney powell said she's going to release the kraken and file these lawsuits so these the attorneys that were involved in those cases that can be tied to her and 14 of them, of the 16, are still actively involved in, like you said, representing right-wing extremist groups like the oath keepers that were involved in the insurrection, representing in the wisconsin audit case that's still ongoing, as well as in michigan, a sheriff who became notorious because he tried to impound voting machines and is still trying to do his own election fraud investigation, nicole. >> heidi, do you think that anything could change if a conspiracy is charged by doj? >> i think that each one of these cases will be looked at potentially individually. the problem is that we don't have a lot of insight. >> we lost heidi przybyla there but not before we got to hear her incredible reporting. it's a thread of her reporting that we will stay on top of. heidi przybyla, thank you so much for joining us. >>> when we come back, we will tell you about a very, very powerful development in the brittney g

. >> and sidney powell, kraken lady who ginni thomas thinks -- it's sad. very sad.cratic. >> it's a strange need not to be seen as a loser, well, when you lose, you lose. wisconsin's republican house speaker robin voss said the former president called him earlier this month earlier this month urging him to -- earlier this month. >> oh, man, get a life. get a life. >> to take back wisconsin's electoral college votes for president biden. get a life. >> and when did you talk to former president trump? >> last week. >> before or after he tweeted? >> before. >> what was that conversation like? >> it's very consistent. he makes his case which i respect. he would like to us do something different in wisconsin. i explained that it's not allowed in wisconsin. he has a different opinion. he put the tweet out. >> oh, my god. >> my god. >> i explained that it's not allowed under the constitution. he has a different opinion. >> trump has claimed the recent wisconsin supreme court ruling that the decision on the use of drop boxes is that the legislature, not the state's election

. >> i opened the door and i walked in and i saw general flynn, i saw sidney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. yeah, i don't think they were providing -- well, first of all. the overstock person, i never knew who this guy was. actually, the first thing i did. i walked in, i looked at him, and i said, who are? you and he told me, i don't think any of these people are providing the president with good advice. and i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> i think we got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. i mean, you walk in, late at night, it had been a long day, and what they had been proposing i thought was nuts. >> i am going to categorically described it as you guys are not tough enough. or maybe i put it another way, you are a bunch of pushes. excuse the expression. but i'm almost certain the word was used. >> he kept on getting up and turning around and screaming at me. and a certain point, i had had it with him. i yield back, either come over or sit your ethan but back down. >> that's something i

we're not quite sure whether or not he has been in touch with people like rudy giuliani, sidney powell, michael flynn, some of those figures you saw in that video. but this is a president, at the end of the day, who will, for the most part, take lunch with whoever comes down to mar-a- lago in order to kiss the ring. he held a premier just last month where there was a litany of former figures in his orbit who worked with him in the white house, along with gop lawmakers, some of whom have been pointed out as people who sought pardons in the wake of activities involving january 6. they were there for this premier around the former president. who exactly he called, a person we have yet to see, is a really big question. we know from the last hearing with cassidy hutchinson, liz cheney put forth two transcribed messages she received from associates of mark meadows, it is reported. but again, not clear who that person is. it was witness tampering to a certain extent, though not from the former president, which is a pretty extraordinary outrage that will become fodder for the department of jus

. >> i walked in, and i saw sidney powell sitting there. and again, these people were providing the president with this advice. >> was the meeting tense? >> oh yeah, it was not a casual meeting. sometimes there were people shouting at each other, throwing insults at each other. >>'s apollonian herschmann, whoever the other guy was showed nothing but contempt of the president. >> the three of them were sort of forcefully attacking me fervently. >> i think i got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. i mean, people were walking in, it was late at night, and what they were proposing, i thought was nuts. >> yeah, and this hearing was described as unhinged by cassidy hutchinson and a lot of participants seem to walk away feeling that, too. but the reason this is important is because it gets into the broader theme that everyone has touched on that trump was in active and central participant in the planning up to january 6th in the day out. and next week, i checked in with some committee sources today, we will see t

overturn the election results, to seize voting machines, to talk about martial law, to appoint sidney powell as special counsel. pat cipollone was one of the white house officials in the meeting pushing back. he expressed to the committee's view that this meeting was absolutely insane, and what the committee will do is try to be the picture of how that meeting happen and then hours later trump sent the tweet calling people to come to the capitol building and how that spurred on the events happening with the riots. >> joining us now former federal prosecutor and lead counsel on former president trump's first impeachment daniel goldman. he's not running for congress in new york. thank you for being with us. if you are asking the questions in public, and you've been there in this type of setting, what would you seek to do, in terms of connecting the actions of these extremist groups to the trump circle? >> what, i think there's a difference in doing this in a trial and a difference in doing this in the hearing today. if you wanted to show that donald trump intended to incite a rowdy, if not vio