is another encrypted e-mail service similar to lava bit and silent circle preemptively shut down its site following lava bits closure the company said it did this in order to prevent the n.s.a. sperm spying on them i was joined earlier today by vic hyder a chief operating officer at silent circle and i started off by asking him why he decided to shutter silent circle's e-mail service and what led to this decision. well we made a deliberate decision it was a difficult one but with the threats that are out there towards email the process itself is just inherently not as secure as our standards require so so it's sort of decided to shut down silent mail to the mail service we're keeping silent text silent phone so in our peer to peer encrypted video voice and text ok now what do you think the shot of the shutter of lava bit what that means for encrypted e-mail services the shudder of love a bit yes a. well there they're closing you know brought up the conversation they are the ones that got got the knock on the door we decided to do it before that that came to us before we received

of silent circle. now despite recent diplomatic altercations russia's foreign and defense ministers arrived in washington d.c. friday to meet with their american counterparts secretary of state john kerry and defense secretary chuck hagel our correspondent guy and she can brings us all the latest very diplomatic opening by the two u.s. secretaries and the two russian ministers before john kerry asked cameras to leave the most interesting stuff it's of course going on behind those closed doors john kerry's their opening statement probably gave the best hint this to the atmosphere of the discussions he has with the use the words collisions disagreements but also made this reference. for the old hockey players and we both know that diplomacy like you can sometimes result in the occasional collusion. so we're. very candid about the year is in which we agree but also there is that which we disagree on there have been all too many collisions lately in the relations between the two countries as john kerry sai

very good point thank you so much for coming on describing a little bit more about silent circle and what people can do my janky appreciate it thank you appreciate it i think. you know it's amazing to see companies begin to take a stand against the government's dragnet collection of data what are people doing to ensure accountability transparency and adequate oversight for the n.s.a.'s surveillance program moving forward brian doogan technology of the open technology institute joins me now discuss more thank you so much for coming on brian thank you so let's first let's hear from obama himself he just gave this really at that press conference about the n.s.a. leaks about providing more oversight i want to hear what he had to say. so after having a dialogue with members of congress and civil libertarians i believe that there are steps we can take to give the american people additional confidence that there are additional safeguards against abuse for instance we can take steps to put in place greater oversight greater transparency and constraints on the use of this authority . so obama

shutting down it's called silent circle and c.e.o. mike janki joins me now to discuss why the company made the decision the implications this has for the rest of us thank you so much for coming on mike thanks i have the pleasure here so i was under the impression first of all that encryption meant that your data was safe from the government spying on you can you talk about why this isn't necessarily the case will. protect the content of what we're talking about data but then you have to talk about what is the architecture you're sending it over is a phone is it email is it a texting medium we build products that protect voice calls mobile video calls files and texting and desktop video like skype but we also have developed a encrypted e-mail service at the behest of our customers but fundamentally email architecture was built forty years ago security was at my so the absolute fundamental nature of how email is sent doesn't matter that the content is encrypted gives away the keys to the kingdom who when where what what operating system

very good point thank you so much for coming on describing a little bit more about silent circle and what people can do my janky appreciate it thank you appreciate it and. you know it's amazing to see companies begin to take a stand against the government's dragnet collection of data what are people doing to ensure accountability transparency and adequate oversight for the n.s.a.'s surveillance program moving forward brian doogan technology is the open technology institute joins me now discuss more thank you so much for coming on brian thank you so let's first let's hear from obama himself he just gave this really at that press conference about the n.s.a. leaks about providing more oversight i want to hear what he had to say. so after having a dialogue with members of congress and civil libertarians i believe that there are steps we can take to give the american people additional confidence that there are additional safeguards against abuse. for instance we can take steps to put in place greater oversight greater transparency and constraints on the use of this is. so obama saying the

i think it is fair to say that silent circle was probably in a different situation than lavabit was,hich is probably why they took the steps they did, which were admirable. >> i will say, i do not think i had a choice but to shut it down without notice. i felt that was my only option. i will have to leave it to your listeners to understand why. lavabitportant to note, was not the first service provider to receive a government request, and we are not the first to fight it. we are just the first service provider to take a different approach, and it could very well be because of our size that we have that option. we are wholly focused on secure e-mail. without it, we have no business. you take a much larger provider with a greater number of employees, and shutting down a major section of their company when they have to answer to shareholders, may not be a viable option. >> what have you decided to speak out today, ladar? >> because my biggest fear when i shut down the service was that no good would come of it. i am hoping that by speaking out, i can hopefully prompt congress to act and

silent circle is the name of the other one.nd we spoke with morgan right a couple of weeks ago on what is the right way to do it. morgan is back with us today. we have these two companies that say that rather than complying with the company or having the possibility of having to comply, they would rather shut down. the two companies, silent circle and lavabit. reporter: >> lavabit looks like they were served with a letter, either a national security letter from the fisa quarter, they were told that they cannot change anything. they are under legal obligation. on the other hand, silent circle does not appear that they had a court order and it was a business decision for them. they are doing that out of an abundance of caution. jenna: said ahead of the company does not want to be complicit in crimes against the american people. there are a few different narratives. there is the big bad government and you also have to raise the question of who was actually using these e-mail services. are these bad guys using e-mail services and t

government silent circle follow that suit just our. slater preemptively shutting down its own encrypted e-mail service site. still ahead here on our teeth tensions remain high in egypt between the government forces and morsi supporters plus a key muslim brotherhood leader is now in government custody we'll tell you all about the on rest of egypt after the break. here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that the americans call. i'm sorry i missed the guy who cares about country music sorry art school you know what that is my self that wants us to feature isn't the only the chris. suitably sort of. you know the super to distract us from what you and i should care about because there are profit driven industry that sells a sensationalistic garbage he calls it breaking news i'm having martin and we're going to break the set. lists. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and here is. you saw their part of it and realized every

have a situation very similar to the credit unions is consumers went to places like lava bit or silent circle because they wanted some privacy they didn't want their ideas from on a stolen by the conglomerates in the trust in the mouth list in america so here's this final quote here companies aren't abandoning us cloud service providers on mass yet because there are few other competitive options so there are a few competitive options out there and this is why people haven't left it on mass yet but with this n.s.a. spying they could prevent any competitive. options out there from ever emerging. there's a bomb a. little under the weather gets stuff they did a late from destroyer country thanks buddy. i stay here with actually watch being on the kaiser report thank you max states you have a second i have a whole lot more. money. what defines a country's success. faceless figures of economic growth. or a factual standard of living. the interview. cutler. this is the media leave us so we leave that maybe. by the same motion suit your. play your party is in. their shoes that no one is asking with t

have a situation very similar to the credit unions is consumers went to places like lava bit or silent circle because they wanted some privacy they didn't want their ideas front run and stolen by the conglomerates in the trust in the monopolist in america so here's this final quote here companies aren't abandoning us cloud service providers on mass yet because there are few other competitive options so there are a few competitive options out there and this is why people haven't left on mass yet but with this n.s.a. spying they could prevent any competitive. options out there from ever emerging. as obama. was up but a little under the weather guess stuff they did allays from destroyer country thanks buddy. thanks so much for being on the kaiser report thank you max state you have a second to have all of your. talking about language as well but i will only react to situations i have read the reports but let me put the no i will leave them to the state department to comment on your latter point please. secure a car is on the job. no. thank you no more weasel words. when you made a direct questio

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up a nice essentially committed suicide this is lava bit and silent circle's they committed suicide right so this is a growing trend companies that like in edward snowden if he was a c.e.o. of a technology company using the morals of edward snowden this tick c.e.o. closed shop he said i'm not going to participate in the society that's run by to tell terry and data collectors and they committed what they call supper coup ceremonial c.e.o. separate the japanese suicide ritual to for the benefit of society so he's great martyr to some smart himself for the benefit of a greater economy so martyrdom is something that we've seen typically associated with other parts of the world and other. ideologies but now it's creeping over into this atlas shrugged capitalist version where you have martyrs down the c.e.o. space well this is it in effect both businesses destroyed their assets in part or in full to avoid turning over their customers data such public displays are far more difficult for large companies to make and help explain why the most public efforts to challenge secret government orders hav

have a situation very similar to the credit unions is consumers went to places like lava bit or silent circle because they wanted some privacy they didn't want their ideas front run and stolen by the conglomerates in the trust in the monopolist in america so here's this final quote here companies aren't abandoning us cloud service providers on mass yet because there are few other competitive options so there are a few competitive options out there and this is why people haven't left on mass yet but with this n.s.a. spying they could prevent any competitive. options out there from ever emerging. as obama. but a little under the weather get stuff they did allays from destroying our country thanks buddy. they say we're back so much being on the kaiser report thank you max state's office i could have a whole lot more. well known told you my language as well but i will only react to situations i have read the reports and like to put to know i will leave them to the state department to comment on your minor point to say to secure a car is on the docket no. thank you no more weasel words. when you m

have a situation very similar to the credit unions is consumers went to places like lava bit or silent circle because they wanted some privacy they didn't want their ideas from on it stolen by the conglomerates in the trust in the monopolist in america so here's this final quote here companies aren't abandoning us cloud service providers on mass yet because there are few other competitive options so there are a few competitive options out there and this is why people haven't left on mass yet but with this n.s.a. spying they could prevent any competitive. options out there from ever merging. there's a bomb a. buddy a little under the weather get stuff they did allays from destroying your country thanks buddy. i stay here with thanks so much being on the kaiser report thank you max state you have a second i have a whole lot more. here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that we americans call i don't know. i'm sorry i missed the guy who cares an awful lot like you sir are a fool you know what that is my self. no one he wishes to feature is the on the ball and the crystal.

government silent circle follow suit just hours. preemptively shutting down its own encrypted e-mail services. but let's turn now to egypt where there are a number of developments coming out first the spiritual leader of the muslim brotherhood mohamed body was arrested overnight also egypt's former vice president mohamed el baradei is facing a lawsuit over his decision to resign from the army backed interim government the case was brought on by a in a gyptian law professor and he accuses el baradei of quote but trail of trust we're also learning about a number of international responses to this crisis israel is bolstering its border security along the desert with physical troop presence there the political affairs chief of the united nations jeffrey feltman arrived in cairo just a few hours ago for a series of discussions with both egyptian authorities as well as the muslim brotherhood leaders in order to figure out a way to restore peace in that country the use top foreign policy official catherine ashton has also offered to go to

later on thursday, another security mail provider called silent circle also announced it was shutting down. new information has come to light about a secretive unit inside the drug enforcement the special operations division. earlier this week, reuters reveal the unit finals information from overseas nsa intercepts, domestic wiretaps, and informants to help dea agents launch criminal investigations of americans. instructedare then to re-create the investigative trail in order to conceal the origins of the evidence area reuters is reporting the dea has also provided classified intelligence obtained by the nsa and other sources to the internal revenue service to help in their investigations of americans. like at the dea, irs agents are then instructed to cover up how they obtained the tips. pakistan, u.s. state department has ordered most personnel to leave the consulate in lahore because of a threat to the mission. gunman in the pakistani city of of aa fired on the vehicle politician driving past worshipers leaving a mosque, killing nine people and wounding 27. attack came one day afte

silent circle, shutting its email service as a protected measure and destroying its own servers. the closures are raising some new concerns that even if email is encrypted, the government can still get to them. judge andrew napolitano, fox news senior judicial analyst is joining us. i want to share with you, judge, what the owner of lava bit had to say in an open letter if anyone is interested. he said, this experience has taught me one very important lesson. without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent i would strongly recommend against anyone trusting their data to a company with physical ties to the united states. what do you make of that? >> well to a company with physical ties to the united states, meaning that the united states government will come knocking on the door of computer servers to say you have an obligation to help us out and if you don't help us out we'll get court orders requiring you to help us out. even if you believe the service provider, even those court orders would be up down constitutional in my view and view of many of us who follow it th

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