history of racism, we would know about it because he would have been sued over and over again -- >> simone sanderslaughing, jack. why? >> well, i -- >> come on -- >> i want to know why she thinks it's so funny. i don't know why she's laughing, she should be crying. but go ahead, simone, what do you wab the to say? >> if we had a history of racism, we would know it. the president is racist whether we want to talk about the central park five who were exonerated and the current president of the united states, then a private citizen, took out a whole ad in the new york times to say these young black men did it. >> where are the lawsuits. >> whether we're talking about -- >> where are the laws he broke. >> if you're not sued you're not a racist? >> no, you know this, my friend simone. >> oh -- >> the shortcut to victory is to call somebody a name. i have seen it over and over again. i know on the right we do it to the left, and the left does it to us, i think in this case, going beyond the crass language, he was trying to talk about may meritorious immigration. >> this is why this is problematic. the p

joining me now to talk about this is maria cardona and simone sanders. th the question that i put to the ladies in detroit. thank you to those ladies for speaking with me again. for obvious historical reasons were not black women senators, black women governors for the majority of the country's history but where are they now considering the strength of their vote that they bring to the democratic party? stacy abrams is running in georgia. where are the black statewide female candidates? you pose an excellent question for obvious reasons. there is a lack of black women that have been elected statewide. what i think we are going to see a wave and stacy abrams but i think we are seeing women gaining momentum in the state and -- was elected as first female mayor of charlotte, north carolina. the mayor of new orleans. the first african-american mayor of new orleans. i think it will take time but you will see women who step up and decide to put their name on the ballot. i do believe that in the coming years we will see black women step up, put their names on th

. >> so simone sanders, who used to work for bernie sanders, who i think is opposed to any kind of continuingesolution that doesn't include a deal for dreamers, where does this leave democrats today? are they more likely to be okay with the idea of a shutdown? >> look, democrats have said -- first of all, there is -- these are bipartisan priorities that democrats are asking to be funded and included in this continuing resolution. the dreamers, there is bipartisan support. over 81% of folks out there in the country want to see protections for the dreamers. and 57% of folks in these battleground states that were polled say they don't want this funding for the wall. so whether it is c.h.i.p., the dreamers, whether we're talking about americans' pensions, funding for veterans and the military, these are all things that are biparsan priorities and so, agn, if the government shuts down, it is not on the fault of democrats. so i think democrats should not be concerned if you will about what kind of blame might come their way if the government shuts down. they should continue to negotiate in good fai

mike shields and simone sanders. everybody gets some blame. the democrats don't come away unscathed. >> you know, look, republicans are literally in charge of the government. they have the white house, the senate, and the united states house of representatives, if a feel cannot be reached it is because of the inability to govern. we were almost here a couple of weeks ago and the only reason we are to this point right now is because republicans failed to negotiate in good faith with democrats. and democrats want the government to be funded. i talked to folks in schumer's office and said there are still a lot -- >> the entire report is coming out in the side of the democratic caucus. what is interesting about continuing resolutions, this time they are voting because what is not in it. and here is what is going on. anonymous senior democrat who says our base is so fired up right now, we have got to have a fight. we have to shut the government down. sanders said it himself, he needs 60 votes. >> i don't think so. >> make the tax cuts permanent, we

simone sanders, you heard the argument. daca matters. immigration matters. the humanity is real.ency is not. you have until march to fix it. why shut down the government for that? >> again, to be clear, it would not be democrats shutting down the government. it's the republicans inability to govern and keep their caucus together and get a deal from the republican president to do that. since donald trump sets his deadline in september, 15,500 young people have lost their protective status. that means they cannot work and their lives are living in limbo. it's not just march if we don't come to a consensus that something happens. there's real implications for these young people now. >> jack, why do you people ignore, on the right, there's this cost on the daily basis? we brought you that story of brought here at 10. been here 30 years. now he's in mexico city. he's never been -- he hasn't lived there in 30 years. split apart because of this law. now, fair point, he's not a dreamer, he didn't make it, but it shows the necessity of the issue, the urgency right now. >> and i think that

let's talk about all of this, joining us, cnn political commentator alice stewart and simone sanders and lynn sweet of the "chicago sun-times." i want to start with you, lynn. you spoke to dick durbin, a key player in all of this as well. it was senator durbin who,ly sa publicly said the president says blank hole. >> he said very clearly i stand by every word and i think my colleagues now have restored memory. so senator durbin is not backing down. he has been devoted for more than 16 years to the issue of providing legal protections for dreamers or youths illegally in the united states through no fault of their own. this is one of his signature issues that is a top priority for him at this time. and he talked about how he remembers very well what was said in that oval office meeting. and he has no -- no hesitation in standing by what he said. >> and lindsey graham, of course, just reported moments ago, would not deny that it was said. lindsey graham, kirsten, trying to play -- i don't know if lindsey graham is trying to play game here. he could clear this up, couldn't he? he confron

let's bring in simone sanders and jack kingston, only one question tonight, how big a deal is this? forget what we were just hearing from anthony scaramucci about privileged information and timing. we don't know anything to disrupt the reporting as it stands. let's deal with the proposition as it lies. simone, if this is true, what does it mean politically? >> i mean i think politically it means a couple of things. what else do we not know about that happened over the last couple of months that donald trump and his folks have been denying or brushing to the side. how deep does the rabbit hole really go? it goes to show things cannot be trusted, something i've thought for a very long time and real political implications, if he did ask for special counsel to be fired, that's something you can't come back from in my opinion. >> jack? >> i think at the time you had a different legal counsel. this was before ty cobb got on board and mark kas vits, we did know at the time he put together a partisan group who had given generously to hillary clinton as time has gone on, we found that exactl

cnn political commentator simone sanders and mike shields and rick wilson.ello to you, happy martin luther king jr. day to all of you. >> happy mlk day to you. that was a travesty. >> rick, the fall out from president trump's comments, it's continuing. even some of the president's closest allies are speaking out. watch now. >> about who said what, lindsey graham came out and said he confirmed that they did say it, he told it to tim scott who said t. these guys said they didn't hear it, but it took them 15 hours to say it. even took the president 15 hours to deny it. bottom line is unfortunately comments were exchanged behind closed doors where you thought it might stay if you're a negotiator. >> unfortunate comments. paul ryan said the same thing. those were strong words. but i mean pardon my sarcasm there. this was too much -- it was even -- it was toof much for on member, fox and friends he watches every single morning. rick, can you hear me? >> i'm sorry, i thought we were cutting to another video clip there. don, it became too much for even fox because "