joined by my guest dmitri bobbitt in moscow he's a political analyst and editor of you know smee media project and glenn he's an ocelot he's a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as author of russia's geo economic strategy for a greater eurasia argument right.

joined by my guest dmitri bobbitt in moscow he's a political analyst and editor of you know smee media project and glenn beason in oslo he's a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as author of russia's geo economic strategy for a greater eurasia original macross up rules in effect that means you can jump any time you want and i was appreciating let's go to oslo 1st glenn we have this pandemic ongoing and we have been in crisis in the energy markets and it's easy to conflate the 2 and one in the energy situation in the markets has gotten worse as a result of this pandemic but they are very separate things and i would say right off the bat that this is the result of disastrous policies particularly by the united states using a series of tax breaks sanctions and really just unprincipled market be. savior to try to support american energy companies and it's all blown up in their face and a pandemic is made even worse and i don't think there's any really any real road back i mean this is some of the most worse was poorly thought out policies i can imagine and people and averag