i'm tavis smiley. in the age of facebook and smart phones, the ability to connect with others has never been easier but what does it mean for our society when more and more people are replacing human interaction with technology. that is the question put forth in the book "alone together" by sherry turkle. also tonight, anthony mackie is here. the new orleans native has two film projects out including "the judgment bureau." that's coming up right now. >> all i know is his name is james, and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i am james. >> yes. >> to everyone making a difference, >> thank you. >> you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and every answer. nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and the economic empowerment that comes with it. nationwide is on your side. >> and by contributions to pbs station from viewers your like you. thank you. kcet public television] >> sherry turkle is founder to

from los angeles, i am tavis smiley. as the political battle in wisconsin carries on for another week, first up tonight, the president of wisconsin's largest teachers' union, mary belle, and a standoff has forced a debate, which is likely to carry on into next year's presidential race -- mary bell. and "inside job," charles ferguson's looked about the meltdown on wall street. it will be released soon on dvd. join us for mary bell and oscar winner charles ferguson, coming up. >> all i know is his name is james, and he needs extra help but>> yes. >> to everyone making a qaeda difference -- >> thank you. >> you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and every answer, nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and remove obstacles to economic empowerment, one conversation at a time. nationwide is on your side. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. [captioning made possible by kcet public tele

from los angeles, i am tavis smiley. this will mark the 10th year of the american combat operations in afghanistan, a war that has lasted longer than world war i, world war ii, and the korean war combined. this war has cost more than $100 billion per year, and some of america's brightest military minds about the war is even winnable. tonight, a conversation of what has become the longest war in u.s. history with former assistant secretary of defense and vietnam veteran bing west. in his book, he offers a speeding critique and says the u.s. military should not be in the business of nation-building. his new book is called "the wrong war." our conversation with bing west coming up right now. >> all i know is his name is james, and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i'm james. >> yes. >> to everyone making a difference, you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and answer, nationwide insurance is happy to help tavis improve financial literacy and remove obstacles to

i'm tavis smiley. first up tonight, a conversation with actor aaron eckhart on what is likely to be one of the biggest films so far this year. "battle: los angeles." recently he starred opposite nicole kid nan the oscar-nominated project "rabbit hole" and also a conversation tonight about an acclaimed new book called "harlem is nowhere: a journey to the mecca of black america." sharifa rhodes-pitts focuses on black life in harlem. we're glad you have joined us. aaron eckhart and author sharifa rhodes-pitts coming up right now. >> all i know is his name is james, and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i am james. >> yes. >> to everyone making a difference, >> thank you. >> you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and every answer. nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and remove obstacles to economic empowerment one conversation at a time. nationwide is on your side. >> and by contributions to you

. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. we remove obstacles to economic empowerment one obstacle at a time. >> and by contributions by your pbs station. thank you. tavis: we are pleased to welcome lupe fiasco back to this program. he is out this week with his long-awaited third cd. the new project is called "lasers." here is the video for the song "the show goes on." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ tavis: you heard me put emphasis on the word, long awaited. what took so long? >> apart from the natural creative process, the time that we were on tour. then there was a lot of label conflict and chicanery. this is a mix that led to three years. tavis: we have been counting the days. i don't want to terry here too long but it is worth asking, you said chicanery with the record level. how do record label politics get in the way? how do you get through that? >> i think that i have handled myself but very poorly. i have allowed myself to get depressed. it is a funny line when you walk in the creativity verses objectivity. you are in the music business. th

tavis: hi, i am tavis smiley. join me next time. we will have a look at relief efforts in japan, plus an acclaimed play right, eve ensler. that is next time. we will see you then. >> all i know is his name is james, and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i am james. >> yes. >> to everyone making a difference -- >> thank you. >> you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and every answer, nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and remove obstacles of economic empowerment one conversation at a time. nationwide is on your side. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. [captioning made possible by kcet public television] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org- >> be more. pbs. >> be more. pbs. i took it into a shop once and they said-- they thought it was probably worth perhaps £100 but i ought to get it looked at by such as yourself to get a value on it. so you really wou

i'm tavis smiley. tonight a conversation with the man behind one of the most revolutionary advances in all of media, twitter co-founder biz stone. it now has over 2 million users around the world. despite criticisms about the company's financial future, twitter is now valued at over $7 billion. we're glad you have joined us. a conversation with twitter co-founder biz stone coming up right now. >> all i know is his name is james, and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i am james. >> yes. >> to everyone making a difference, >> thank you. >> you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and every answer. nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literatey and remove obstacles to economic empowerment one nation at a time. nationwide is on your side. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. [captioning made possible by kcet public television] tavis: biz stone is of course a successf

tavis: good evening from los angeles, i'm tavis smiley. with the u.s. military now engaged in three separate conflicts in three muslim countries, there is a growing concern tonight about u.s. policy in the region and the priorities of the obama administration and so first up tonight, a conversation about the latest intervention in libya with richard haass, president of the council on foreign relations. also tonight, acclaimed artist and filmmaker julian schnabel is here, the director of "the diving bell and the butterfly" is out with a new film called "miral." it is said against with the israeli conflict in the middle east. glad you joined us, richard haass and filmmaker julian schnabel coming up right now. >> all i know is his name is james and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i'm james. >> e making a difference, you make us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and every answer, nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in litter si and nationwide is on your side. >> and by contributions to your

[captioning made possible by kcet public television] tavis: i'm tavis smiley, a conversation with ed o'neill, the man who helped put the fox network on the map and now the head of one of tv's most popular, "modern family. the series will try to repeat its emmy win for best comedy and then duo steel magnolia, they are the real life couple whose cd is one of the most popular of 2011. actor ed o'neill and couple steel magnolia coming upright now. >> needed extra help with his reading. >> i'm james. >> yes. >> everyone making a difference? you help us all live better. >> nationwide difference supports tavis smiley with every question and every answer, nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis smiley and remove obstacles to economic empowerment. nationwide is on your side. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: welcome ed o'neill back to this program and is one of the most popular shows "modern family." it took home the emmy last year for best comedy. here now a scene from "modern family." >> what are you doing here? >> i'm just returning th

i'm tavis smiley. as the nation of japan continues to recover from the deadly earthquake, tsunami and nuclear scare, there is a realization that the death toll could have been far greater. so first up a conversation about the situation in japan with acclaimed architect hitoshi abe. he now heads the department of architecture and urban design here in ucla. also eve ensler is here from the "vagina mon loges." she is soaping city of joy. we're glad you can join hitoshi abe and eve ensler coming up. >> all i need his name is james and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i'm james. >> yes. >> everyone making a difference -- >> thank you. >> you help us all live better.s tavis smiley. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. >> thank you. >> hitoshi abe serveses a chair of the ucla urban design and architecture. he's doing the work with brad pitt make it right foundation in the lower ninth wa in new orleans. great to have you on this program. >> thank you. tavis: i know you're

i'm tavis smiley. first up tonight, a conversation with best-selling author david brooks. his latest text sa unique look of what makes us who we are. the new book is called "the social animal." also blair underwood is here. he's backs on nbc right now in the series "the event." david brooks and blair underwood coming up, right now. >> all i know is his name is james and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i'm james. >> yes. >> to everyone taking a difference, you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literally and remove obstacles to literacy. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: david brooks is a widely read columnist from "new york times," he's also a best-selling author which his latest text is called "the social animal: the hidden sources of love, character and achievement." david brooks, it's great to have you on this show. >> great to be with you. tavis: the book is about this notion about who we are to a g

tavis: greeng los angeles, i'm tavis smiley. first up a conversation with conman and former presidential candidate ron paul. texas republican is a member of the house foreign affairs committee and co-sponsor of new legislation aimed tonight at defunding u.s. military action in libya. also tonight, actor jeffrey tambor is here. former larry sander star is out this spring with three different film projects, including "win-win" and upcoming feature "meeting spencer." we're glad you joined us congressman ron paul and actor jeffrey tambor, coming up right now. >> all i know is his name is james and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i'm james. >> yes. >> to everyone making a difference -- >> thank you -- >> you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports "tavis smiley." with every question and every answer, nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and remove obstacles to economic empowerment one nation at a time. nationwide is on your side. >> and by contributions to you

tavis: good evening from los angeles, i'm tavis smiley. tonight a conversation with jazz great, wynton marsalis. he continues in his role as the head of jazz at lincoln center. this past sunday night he was a grammy nominee for a song performed with the lincoln center orchestra. we're glad you have joined us for a conversation with wynton marsalis coming up right now. >> all i know is his name is james, and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i am james. >> yes. >> to everyone making a difference, >> thank you. >> you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. tavis and nationwide insurance, working to improve financial literacy and remove economic obstacles. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. kcet public television] tavis: always honored to have wynton marsalis on this program. the multiple award-winning jazz great heads a communication jazz outrich program all around this world. always good to see you. >> all the time. tavis: i was saying to the staff over the y

. >> nationwide insurance proudly supports tavis smiley. tavis and nationwide insurance, working to improve financial literacy and the economic empowerment that comes with it. >> ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. [captioning made possible by kcet public television] tavis: mansour el-kikhia, fled his homeland in libya in 1980 due to political persecution by muammar gaddafi. he remains a critic from -- he joins us tonight. good to have you on this program. >> thank you for having me. tavis: there are those who thought a couple weeks ago that by now gaddafi would have gone the way of mubarak in egypt. yet it appears if he is going to go, it ain't going to be no time soon. what do you make of that? >> it is normal. this is the -- mubarak would have stayed longer. gaddafi because he will not go that easily. one choice if he leaves peacefully and says my people don't like me. the other choice doesn't believe -- he takes with him 20,000 people. you saw on television he says

. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and every answer, nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and remove obstacles to economic empowerment, one conversation at a time. >> nationwide is on your side >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. [captioning made possible by kcet public television] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- tavis: please welcome anthony hopkins back to this program. this weekend, his latest movie opens around the country. here are scenes from "the rite." >> the interesting thing about atheists is they are always looking for certainty. the question is, what on earth could we do if we found it? total loss of faith. there are months when i do not know whether i believe in god or the double. yet it is something that keeps digging and scraping away inside of me. it seems like gods fingernail -- god's fingernail. i finally can take no more of the pain and i get shoved up from d

. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and answer, we're glad to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and remove obstacles to economic empowerment. nationwide is on your side. >> and by contributions from your pbs station by viewers like you. thank you. tavis: always pleased to have williams smokey robinson on this program. the disc is a terrific collection of classic songs and more recent material. it is always an honor to have you on this program. >> my pleasure. you are my brother. >> i want some of that genius to run off on me. tavis: speaking of genius, i got a chance to see this inside the white house. every time i see things like this i get reminded of how brilliant you and mr. gordy and all of you at motown, you did music that was so all that that people are still celebrating and still rocking to it all these years later. >> it is wonderful. it is a thrill. there were five people there and he said i will start this record company. he said we would not just played black music, we w

. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and every answer, nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and remove obstacles to economic empowerment, one conversation at a time. >> nationwide is on your side >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. [captioning made possible by kcet public television] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- tavis: susan jacoby is a best- selling author. her latest is "never say die: the myth and marketing of the new old age." susan jacoby, a bit too heavy on this program. >> wonderful to be here. tavis: led to heavy. tell me about the marketing of this new old age. i see these commercials all the time on television, people running through gardens. >> it is called age defying. it really is summed up by the title of the panel at the world science festival in new york city two years ago. it was called "90 is the new 50 ." your write about people dropping through gardens. eve

. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and every answer, nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and remove obstacles to economic empowerment, one conversation at a time. >> nationwide is on your side >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: mitch daniels is serving as -- in his second term as governor of indiana. he is also on many people's list of who they would like to seek the presidential nomination to channel -- challenged president obama in 2012. gov. daniels, good to have you back on the program, sir. >> tavis, you are still on the -- the top of the list of the hoosiers we are proud of tavis: thank you for that. the state is once again making national news. we'll get to some other stuff in a moment. as we speak tonight, the democrats who ran out of indiana to illinois who did not want to be part of this legislative agenda. they were supposed to come back today. the same thing happened in wisconsin. update th

. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. with every question and every answer, nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and remove obstacles to economic empowerment, one conversation at a time. >> nationwide is on your side >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. [captioning made possible by kcet public television] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- tavis: michelle rhee served as chancellor of the d.c. public school system from 2007 through 2010. she is now founder and ceo of students first. she joins us from washington. thank you for your time. >> thanks for having me. tavis: let me start first with the news of the week, the story everybody saw on the front page yesterday of "usa today" that talked about whether test scores actually stored in the sea under your leadership. the raised a question as to whether or not those test score gains were in effect real. put another way, unusually high erasures, we are told,

>> good evening, from los angeles, i'm tavis smiley. first up tonight, a conversation with within of the most influential figures in the music business, clive davis, the man who launched the careers of bruce sprinsteen, whitney houston and carlos santana, will be honored here tomorrow night at the grammy. and lawrence goldstone is here. his latest text, "inherently unequal," is a look at the role of the supreme court at the beginning of the jim crow era. we're glad you joined us. >> all i know is his name is james and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i'm james. >> yes. >> to everyone making a difference -- >> thank you. >> you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley, with every question and every answer, nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and working to remove obstacles to economic empowerment one conversation at a time. >> and by contributions to your pbs station by viewers like you. thank you. [captioning made possible by kcet public television] t

that he needs help with his reading. >> helping you all live better. >> nationwide supports tavis smiley. working together to help remove obstacles and bring impairment. nationwide is on your side. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. d seen this kind of case before, i have a pretty good idea of what i'm going to find inside of it. because these leather cases with gilding were actually what you got a nice cup from from the sevres factory in the 18th century. and this is a sevres cup from the 18th century. how long has it been in australia? that one is difficult. probably 100 years. - i'm not sure. - this cup we know, because it's got an "f" on it, was actually made in 1757. this lovely-- what is called a bleu lapis ground, you see, it's got a blotched blue and then the gilding, very finely done with a honey flux to it and then engraved to give it life, that's what only the sevres factory did. and that's what makes this very very exciting. so with this fantastic case, and the case is very important, it's probably worth $7,000 or $8,000... - that's

see video on demand ati smiley fuel costs an r.s.s. feeds now in the palm of your. question on the call. for. the phone lines. to be soon which brightened a few nibbles song from funniest impressions. from the stones on t.v. don't come. wealthy british sign on the sign. out on the. market why not. find out what's really happening to the global economy with much stronger or no. holds barred look at the global financial headlines and cause a report on our t.v. . welcome back to spotlight again of in just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is alexander luck shrewder deputy director of the russian state atomic energy corporation or saddam and the head of the real saddam commission and monitoring and their losses of japan's nuclear accident missile actually you just mentioned the safety regulations the safety requirements and atomic station i know they have all these be very high i know that i know that in russia at modern stations the safety requirements are even higher than in japan a very high tech nation so in russia they are higher but are you planning to

and the potential juror put a little smiley face. i would assume that that potential juror is probably not a potential jury anymore and lawyers asking the questions this afternoon, after the judge wraps up today. the trial could start tomorrow but that looks unlikely at this point. frank and sidney? >> all right, ann. my guess that juror has been long gone. anne makovec live in san francisco, thanks much. >>> also this afternoon, jury selection expected to wrap up in the murder trial of former black muslim bakery leader yousef bay, iv and an gone mackey, charged with the death of journalist chauncey bailey and two other men in 2007. opening statements are expected later today after that jury is seated. >>> house democratic leader nancy pelosi had a minor medical scare today in rome. the 70-year-old representative was hospitalized briefly. and underwent some tests before being released. her office says she wasn't feeling well after several flights yesterday in afghanistan and then a long flight back to italy early this morning. and we

they completely do you know who i'm just you you were obsessed with iraq iraq if we had gone to war smiley and ninety was because you are the holder nearly america that of course i am. talking about i remember what you were on that are not crimes in iraq i mean our coverage i'm going to get afghanistan as well just look at live pictures now not cover afghanistan today off u.s. soldiers killing thousands of innocent that gun is not and this is a demagogue who wrote this it was sort of we're here to talk about libya you want to do a show next week about iraq fine well we're here to talk about libya i don't care about intel we're doing the show about u.s. policy ok brad i'd like to call you when you think we should we are going to go to you and watch in washington brad. what is it you think that the united states is trying to get on the right side of history here i'm not sure it's doing the right thing but i mean considering its long term backing of ben ali and we had mubarak and whatnot i mean the united states is trying to find its footing here and how we should treat a very radically chang

live when typewriters have yielded to computers and sal yu taigs twoz colons making smiley face autos they do not teach hand writing in schools at all. >> want to bet? >> must have been catholic school. >> oh, yes. >> we're losing individual walt of each one of us. >> so says sister antenella. >> and at st. catherine upper case starts at lowest levels. ask the 5-year-old autos tell the truth. who has better handwriting? kinder guard yesners or average guy? >> kindergarten. >> you're not doing curvive yet? >> not yet. >> are you worried about it? >> students zront a choice, they'll learn to write in curvive. there f.there is a problem with it?. >> that's okay. slowly the child will learn. >> how many of you like curvive writing? >> and sure, they can. >> you can have good spacing. >> they love e stands for endless. >> i don't use e that much. >> write it. slower. >> my pinky gets number. >> learning cursive is passed down through generations. because back in the bay, as now, neatness counted as penmanship students we have paths to discipline. and by the time they leave, it's ingrained

. >> reporter: in a recent study out of the university of pennsylvania children were asked to use smileymiley faces to the cereal from boxes of cartoon characters than the ones without. even the cereal itself was the same. i want you to scream if you like to eat cereal. [ screaming ] >> reporter: we rounded up six young cereal lovers to see if we could get similar results. an unscientific taste test. we put the same common breakfast cereal into two containers. one plain. the other decorated with popular cartoon characters. >> hmm, hmm, hmm. >> reporter: we let the kids slurp and crunch away. >> i want to know which cereal you like better. if you like this cereal better, raise your hand. one, two, three, four, five. five out of six like the one with the cartoon character, but listen to why. you raised your hand that you like this one better. why? >> because it's more sweeter. >> because it's more sweeter. >> reporter: remember, they were comparing the exact same cereal. we repeated the experiment with two more cereals. healthy or sugary, it didn't seem to matter. >> it tastes better. >> i

for example, putting smiley faces when your power goes down on the bill.that makes a difference to people or letting people know on their bill your next door neighbor had a 15% lower usage than you did. you use your drier too much, think about doing that. there's ways to get the consumer information in a way that's useful and ways that they control most of the changes they want would to make on their homes that deals with the privacy issue because they are in control of that. it's no longer going to a company outside of the home. another way to do that is with the devices themselves. we work with companies doing this now. convey the information to you in realtime in a way that's meaningful. it says this is costing you 15 cents per minute, you want the light on? you make the changes much more ready. part of it is consumer information as well. >> the point is privacy -- we're taking this to the next step and knowing people are taking medicine. what is the privacy barrier developed? it's not saying there's the model that the consumer controls their house, the

smiley remains to be number one threat to the united kingdom from africa. so the budget is spent in britain's national interest. quite a lot of it is spent in certain national security interest, too, and we agreed early on that, by 2014, we would double the elements we spend in conflicted states, different parts of the world, increasing it something like 1.8 billion pounds a year. i just want to emphasize the fact that this is the projection of soft power and it is not just a somber. it is more scherwin for britain's interest. >> -- it is more importantly for britain's interest. >> given that the foreign office is a soft power, should there be -- [laughter] >> the whole question of influence is multifaceted. we exercise our influence by letter late. we do it through nato, the un, the eu, through our various relationship. the influence we have your our intelligence relationships with other countries. there are ways of affecting influence. but the one asset that has not been discussed sufficiently is time. it is that time that ministers are willing to spend w

this happened tuesday night on west third street while they were walking to dinner. 49-year-old eric smiley has a broken leg and fractured ribs. his girlfriend suffered a sprained ankle. now officials say alcohol doesn't appear to be a factor in the crash but it is still under investigation. >>> and we have an update on a bank robbery that happened at a benicia supermarket. now police released this surveillance photo of the suspect at the ray lee's on south hampton road. officials say he approached a bank teller and demanded cash. this happened at that rayly's on tuesday. look at the photo. if you have any information about the suspect, contact benicia police. >>> we are learning more this morning about what happened to that professional surfer who died at mavericks. ktvu's claudine wong has more on this tragedy at the bay area's best known surfing beach. claudine. >> reporter: well, good morning, pam. we have moved from mavericks here to pacifica because of the large surfing community here. certainly we know that entire community is mourning this morning. we do expect to see some folks out

. >> he looks very smiley and hssv.org is where anyone can find information about buddy or any of the do awesome work with him. thank you so much. and hssv.org is for buddy. we're also going to get a check of the forecast and see if today is a good dog walking day. >> it should be. but outdoors today, it looks pretty nice. things are actually still dry around the bay area. i know we've got clouds spilling in. no worries about rain right now. if you're heading up to lake county, mendocino keep the, that is where the rain line sets up this afternoon. we've got a lot of moisture streaming right in across an eureka. as you widen out, some tropical moisture just north of hawaii aiming in on the california/oregon border for today and eventually, we'll see that slide to the south. last weekend, we had highs in the mid 40s. brought us these beautiful pictures like we had from our weather watchers. this was around san martinen last weekend. it was cold enough for showers to drop snow. that's all about what last weekend was about with highs in the fourtz. hour by hour, our temperatures already

don't send it to some venders who wants to sell me devices that respond to smiley faces. let me make that choice. those are two simple principals. neither of which we have today. a good simple choice, and then complete control over what happens to the information that we agree to allow to be collected. those are two things that would advance us. it turns out south dakota looks a lot more like the rest of the world than washington, d.c. so the rest of the world is joining south dakota. and stuff you develop in south dakota may have a bigger market globally than the stuff the companies are developing for the urban center. which is the really exciting part about this revolution. we really all of the sudden now have a true global market for lots of stuff. and we need to think about that. not just think about the u.s. market. >> we are quickly running out of time. if we can get in two quick questions with two quick answers, we can be done for the day. >> i want to bring us back to the universal service aspect of it. that's a major concern. and i hear still talking about we'll

love with you see in the public discourse is to engage somebody and talk to them and whatever nice smileyace it on something that day is the only store you take away. you have to have a much more complicated and rigorous picture of who it is you are dealing with. but the second thing is that in terms of their ideology and their long-term goals, i think it's a very big mistake for the western government and anybody in the middle east to believe there's a sharp break between the brotherhood's audiology and the jihadists groups where again i keep coming back to the question what is your stance on the suicide bombing as part of the martyrdom that we face today. and if these intellectuals and public, you know, brotherhood leaders don't wholeheartedly disavow that, then you have to be careful in terms of how you engage and talk to them. >> actually, i think the israelis probably have the easiest position here because one, they shouldn't plan for dictatorship. they should increase the space transition in the middle east. they should remain deeply skeptical and suspicious and maintain a robust de

a lot of things that happen in public discourse is you talk to them and the smiley face they put on for the day is the story you take away but you need a more complicated and rigorous picture of who you are dealing with but secondly, in terms of ideology and long-term goals, it's a very big mistake for western governments and anyone in the middle east to believe there's a sharp break between the brotherhood's ideology and that of jihaddist groups, and i return to the question, what's your stance on suicide bombings, a key part of the martyrdom cult we face today and if the intellectuals or brotherhood leaders don't wholeheartedly disavow that, you have to be careful in terms of how you talk to them. >> actually, i think the israelis have the easiest position here because, one, they shouldn't pine for dictatorship. they should embrace the democratic transition in the middle east, they should remain deeply skeptical and suspicious. they should maintain a robust defense budget and they should realize that in the short term, they're screwed. >> that was uplifting. [laughter] >> we're runnin

that is politely called attrition through enforcement rich for my mind is a mass deportation with a smileyace on top of it. but nevertheless that's one approach, let's get rid of the people here. the other approach mike honda was referencing and john has been a champion of in his many years as a civil rights hero in this country is something we call comprehensive immigration reform that says instead of a 14th century response to the 21st century situation, i.e. building a wall at the border, maybe we can do something like modernizing our immigration system and that is what we call comprehensive immigration reform. the goal of comprehensive immigration reform is to end illegal immigration. but to do so in a way that is both practical and humane. what we mean? professional accountable enforcement, in the post-9/11 world wheat secure borders. but we also have to realize that to keep out side of the border is a help-wanted sign 100 yards in. what are we going to do about that? we are going to have to crack down on illegal hiring in a way that we just haven't come as a way to make sure workers

love with you see in the public discourse is to engage somebody and talk to them and whatever nice smileyface it on something that day is the only store you take away. you have to have a much more complicated and rigorous picture of who it is you are dealing with. but the second thing is that in terms of their ideology and their long-term goals, i think it's a very big mistake for the western government and anybody in the middle east to believe there's a sharp break between the brotherhood's audiology and the jihadists groups where again i keep coming back to the question what is your stance on the suicide bombing as part of the martyrdom that we face today. and if these intellectuals and public, you know, brotherhood leaders don't wholeheartedly disavow that, then you have to be careful in terms of how you engage and talk to them. >> actually, i think the israelis probably have the easiest position here because one, they shouldn't plan for dictatorship. they should increase the space transition in the middle east. they should remain deeply skeptical and suspicious and maintain a robust d

love with you see in the public discourse is to engage somebody and talk to them and whatever nice smileyface it on something that day is the only store you take away. you have to have a much more complicated and rigorous picture of who it is you are dealing with. but the second thing is that in terms of their ideology and their long-term goals, i think it's a very big mistake for the western government and anybody in the middle east to believe there's a sharp break between the brotherhood's audiology and the jihadists groups where again i keep coming back to the question what is your stance on the suicide bombing as part of the martyrdom that we face today. and if these intellectuals and public, you know, brotherhood leaders don't wholeheartedly disavow that, then you have to be careful in terms of how you engage and talk to them. >> actually, i think the israelis probably have the easiest position here because one, they shouldn't plan for dictatorship. they should increase the space transition in the middle east. they should remain deeply skeptical and suspicious and maintain a robust d