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jack smith -- without that beard, you showed baby face video of jack smith.om a different generation. i think he understands the way an authoritarian can use these soft methods of increasing their power and staying in power. i think his experience prosecuting a sitting head of state, as you highlighted a moment ago, really prepared him for a moment like this. it shows when someone is desperate to stay in power, it's important ultimately to find the way to bring him to account quickly, and i think that's what he's trying to do here. >> yeah. understood. really interesting. and like i said, we wanted to turn to a fellow prosecutor for this. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. we are done with our special report, but not with the news of the day and "the beat." we have a lot coming up, including as we talk about where evidence moves. a former republican white house veteran who says jack smith does have the goods on trump and why that matters not only in court, but beyond. stay with us. nd stay with us -dad, what's with your toenail? -oh, that.

why does smith say that? some people might be surprised it's okay to lie in the eyes of the doj, and why does he say something worse happened here, something criminal? >> i think that's really smart to make it really clear to people reading this what is lawful and allowed under the first amendment. it's clearly saying, just because you say something that's not true, that's not what you're being charged with. that may be a crime if you are lying to a federal investigator such as david and christy used to have in the southern district of new york. it may be a crime if you're under oath in front of congress. he's making it clear, you want to tell lies to the american public and to the press, that's one thing. you want to tell lies on the ellipse, that's one thing. that is not what's being charged here. so i think that is really smart to make it very clear. because one of the things, following up on david's excellent point, which is one of the reasons you do a speaking indictment, particularly in a case that -- t

as soon as they receive target letters from jack smith. trump employee for could start a stampede of trump witnesses against donald trump in all of the criminal cases that donald trump will be facing. trump employee for use all to various received a target letter from special prosecutor jack smith after donald trump was indicted by jack smith in espionage in obstruction of justice indictment. imagine working at mar-a-lago and having a target letter from jack smith after you have watched your coworker march into a federal courthouse in miami as a criminal defendant with donald trump. as a trump employee working at mar-a-lago in a matter how much you worship to fear donald trump. when you watched him get arrested that day, by jack smith something should have happened to your confidence in donald trump's ability to protect you the superseding indictment that jack smith filed on thursday added more criminal charges against donald trump for his attempts to destroy evidence in the case. tell us the story of two trump employees that made two very

mike pence could not ignore jack smith's subpoena. mike pence went to court in what he knew was a legally hopeless attempt to block jacks mitt subpoena. mike pence went to court to try to show trump's quarters, whose votes he wants in the presidential campaign to think that he was forced by judicial process to testify to jack smith's grand jury. mike pence did not just testify to jack smith's grand jury. he became the star witness, and he will be the start witness when the case that the united states of america versus donald j trump is presented to a trial jersey in washington, d. c.. they will be the first jurors in history to see a first former vice president at the united states raise his right hand and take an oath to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about the criminal defendant sitting in front of the jury, the former president of the united states. when the former vice president is under oath on the witness stand, testifying against the former president, mike pence will deliver the testimony that he obvi

will run up against jack smith's desire to l up against jack smith's desire to -et up against jack smith'sff club there in bedminster. bryan lanza, i want to bring you in now, because you are thusly worked on the former president's transition team. do you have an idea from your contacts what his mindset is like right now? he is an: . his mindset is like right now? he is angry- obviously — his mindset is like right now? he is angry. obviously he _ his mindset is like right now? he is angry. obviously he is _ his mindset is like right now? he is angry. obviously he is disappointed it has— angry. obviously he is disappointed it has come — angry. obviously he is disappointed it has come to this. he is not surprised. they have felt this was going _ surprised. they have felt this was going to — surprised. they have felt this was going to happen for several months now _ going to happen for several months now and _ going to happen for several months now. and so they have had plenty of time to _ now. and so they have had plenty of time to prepare. obviously the president, it is hard to get inside h

why did jack smith put that in the indictment?oing to get more in that, and if you'll come back next time i have you. i hope you'll come back. >> sure. love to. >> want me to hold my answer on that one? >> yes, because it's that kind of breaking news today. our thanks to you. have to fit in a break. >>> when we come back, the former ahead of the criminal doj division is standing by forw their response on this. that's next. that's next. is strong enamel- nothing beats it. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients- it really works. when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis takes you off course. put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when i wanted to see results fast, rinvoq delivered rapid symptom relief and helped leave bathroom urgency behind. check. when uc tried to slow me down... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc caused damage rinvoq came through by visibly repairing my co

jack smith, i have to say, i watched a lot of federal investigations, and jack smith's probe has been of the most meteoric and rapid that i've ever seen, both on the classified records case, and now what we think is an indictment to follow a target letter some weeks ago. but it is coming at a particularly useful time for donald trump to make his claim that it's all about politics and stopping him from returning to the white house and being the savior he likes to describe himself as to his base. >> ari, what do you make of how quick to carol's point of how quick jack smith has operated here? there was a little criticism at the doj that when january 6th happened, the biden administration came in, they were slow to work their way to the top of the attempt to overturn the election. they certainly went after those that stormed the capitol. we saw that. that was the largest doj investigation i believe at the time, and it's been yielding tremendous results in convictions for those involved in the violence that day. but there was a criticism that the doj was not going after the big fish until

mike pence could not ignore jack smith's subpoena. mike pence went to court in what he knew was a legally hopeless attempt to block jacks mitt subpoena. mike pence went to court to try to show trump's quarters, whose votes he wants in the presidential campaign to think that he was forced by judicial process to testify to jack smith's grand jury. mike pence did not just testify to jack smith's grand jury. he became the star witness, and he will be the start witness when the case that the united states of america versus donald j trump is presented to a trial jersey in washington, d.c.. they will be the first jurors in history to see a first former vice president at the united states raise his right hand and take an oath to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about the criminal defendant sitting in front of the jury, the former president of the united states. when the former vice president is under oath on the witness stand, testifying against the former president, mike pence will deliver the testimony that he obvio

first, jack smith, the special counsel in this case. this is the second time now coming before the american people. let's listen. >> good evening. today say an indictment was unsealed charging donald j. trump with conspiring to defraud the united states, conspiring to disenfranchize voters and conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding. the indictment was issued by a grand jury of citizens here in the district of columbia, and it sets forth the crimes charged in detail. i encourage everyone to read it in full. the attack on our nation's capitol on january sixth, 2021, was an unprecedented assault on the seat of american democracy. it's described in the indictment that it was fueled by lies, lies by the defendant. it targeted at obstructing a bedrock function of the us government and the nation's process of collecting counting and certifying the results of the presidential election. the men and women of law enforcement who defended the us capitol on january 6th are heroes. they are patriots and they are the very best of

jack smith was in court today.heard from reporters he and donald trump were stealing glances at each other here and there. we know this indictment lays out what jack's mets team says is proof the former president was lying big -- lying about the election results. he knew he was lying. what do you make of what we saw in the arraignment today and the entire case the special counsel's office has brought? >> i think it is interesting jack smith chose to show up today. he did not need to do that. he made a decision to be there. frankly he made a decision to bring this case even after the other case had been brought. he obviously views this case as important. he thought it was important to bring it. he signaled that i being there today in t courtroom. >> one more question for david on the legal perspective. the next court date being set for august 28. clearly the defense team asked for the last day possible for the next court hearing. we are seeing we understand one of the strategies of the trump defense team is to postp

district attorney willis said, quote, i don't know what jack smith is doing and jack smith doesn't knowin all honestly, if jack smith was standing next to me, i'm not sure i would know who he was. my guess is he probably can't pronounce my name correctly. full disclosure -- i mispronounced her name the first time i said it before i learn that she pronounces her first name fani. joining us now is gwen keyes fleming, former district attorney in dekalb county, georgia. and back with us is andrew weissmann. gwen keyes fleming, with your experience, as a district attorney in georgia, what do you make of where fani willis is tonight? she is also said over the weekend, she said the sentence, we are ready to go, on this case. >> first of, all i don't think it's unusual that she hasn't coordinated with jack smith. again, that's not somebody who is in georgia. prosecuting circles in the state are very close. we are not talking about the u.s. attorney in the northern, middle, or southern districts of the state, where she might run into them. but as you've heard, she is getting her team ready. and

is jack smith trying to take away his first amendment rights? >> trump is right, he is the first politician, or at least the first president to be accused of several serious federal felonies. they're two different indictments. the idea that this has to do with his first amendment rights is bogus through and through. i think the jack smith debunked it in a filing earlier this week before judge chutkan. what he said is, i'm not trying to undermine your first amendment rights. you're like to speak, but there's a difference between speaking and intimidating witnesses. trump was warned about this, lawrence, at his arraignment. an extraordinary moment last week with the judge. the judge said, look, you can't go and try to influence jurors, things like that. he said he understood. and then within 24 hours, here is threatening basically intimidating witnesses might, pence, saying if you come after me, oh come after you to the whole world and so on. this isn't the way in any other criminal trial can operate. if you look this defendant get away with it, t

jack smith said, no, that's not true. he was told time and time again the things he was saying were not true. he knew what he was saying was false. >> you've followed work on both trump cases. did anything surprise you tonight? >> i think one of the things that surprised me is unlike in the documents case where you were shocked by things the justice department had uncovered this indictment -- the special counsel's office tells readers this is what we believe happened, this is how trump and his caconspirators did it, how they were able to work together to sow doubt about the election and intimidate election officials and when that didn't work using the levers of the justice department to get to that end and using a means to get to that end. that's great. what was interesting to me there was very little new information in the indictment. there was very little the public didn't already know based on the january 6th hearing or based on the reporting that happened soon after trump left office. so that was really striking to me

that's how smith puts it.xploit the violence at the capitol, calling lawmakers based on knowingly false claims of election fraud to delay the certification. at 6:00 p.m., they were calling two senators. six other lawmakers around 7:00 p.m. another hail mary by coconspirator john eastman as mentioned pressing pence's lawyer in writing to do this. now, i don't know why they thought, after trying to get mike pence literally killed, that he would be taking their calls or joining their plot. it doesn't matter. many, many defendants, and later convicted criminals, have been caught acting in ways that are dumb, brazen, illegal. indeed, most of law-abiding society is organized around not acting that way. so it's not actually surprising if you've been around criminal trials to see stuff that doesn't make sense. the problem for donald trump is not one, not two, but many, multiple such efforts after the violence went down. jack smith isn't saying he has to prove he knowingly incited it. jack smith is saying he used the v

against jack smith.econd mending he told smith be challenging as criminal work in near term, nancy simmons, said, she done see a viable way to make a case. smith neve nevertheless, pushed forward. to set up an irs meeting and ingram told her staff we have do this and asked lois lerner to organize it je jussie smolle-- jack smith was bed hind the war on tea party. there is a lot more going on. we're now engaged in open your eyes wide, a democrat party lead revolution. that is destroying the foundation av principles of this country. and all of these institutions that were build up and all autocratic regimes they dress themselves in a self righteous, pro equality movement, they're not, i'l everys deserves a great deal. that's why comcast business is launching the mobile made free event. with our business internet, new and existing customers can get one year of unlimited mobile for free. it's our best internet. powered by the next generation 10g network and with 99.9% reliability. plus one line of free mobil

smith smith. so they go to the. the doctor. gets off to a good start with danny and him feel right at home. child psychology, they call nowadays. danny takes the examination in his stride, doesn't it? a bit. in fact, he enjoys the experience. while you remember it is good fun when it comes time for next visit in four months. and. and mrs. smith are going to remember it too, the doctor told them many surprising about that day. for instance, he informed smiths they could walk along anywhere and stop almost anybody and find they have teeth. yes any body at all. take this in a hurry, gentlemen like almost everybody else, he has decayed teeth. and what does he do? well, let's see what he does. he thinks it over very carefully. and then decides he's too busy. take care of a little cavity. it doesn't. and after all, what's a little cavity? nothing. months go by and a year goes by. and then what happens? our friend comes running and now the little cavity has become big cavity. and the little pain is? a big pain. so suddenly he's not to

smith knew this was wild. the indictment chose one unindicted coconspirator plotting with a lawyer to describes this plot i'm telling you about as kind of wild, creative. we'll be sending in fake electoral votes to pence so that, quote, someone in congress can make an objection when they start counting votes and they, the trump supporters would start arguing that the, quote, fake votes should be counted. yeah, scare quotes do a lot of work there. now, why does smith include that? shows that even on the inside they knew this was not about honestly debating the electors, it was about lying to create a fake debate so pence or someone might exploit it. which he refused to do. and why the he refuse to do that? it's not because he opposes donald trump. you've seen him campaign lately. he's soft and supportive of trump despite trump fans targeting to murder him. why did mike pence draw the line here and not in so many other places? i can give you the answer tonight in a way i couldn't have yesterday morning or any ot

and the one you mention that jack smith, the indictments that jack smith secured previously, those are related to the hiding of classified documents at trump's private home in florida. and his refusal to comply with the f b i in hand, those documents over, he's also charged and 40 counts related to that case in florida. and of course, we also have the criminal charges he faces in the state of new york over hush money payments. he made during his 2016 campaign and also any day now were expecting potential state charges coming from the state of florida that look more in detail at the way that he tried to overturn the election results there. dear. alright, so how does it cost her life as the in the washington dc? heidi will come back to you when, when jack smith gives that press conference. let's go now to melanie sloane. she's a former federal prosecutor and joins us live from washington dc. meaning it always good to have you on the program. so just to cut through this indictment then it's fairly robust from what heidi was saying, that from your legal expertise, how serious the charges a

against jack smith. second mending he told smith be challenging as criminal work in near term, nancy simmons, said, she done see a viable way to make a case. smith neve nevertheless, pushed forward. to set up an irs meeting and ingram told her staff we have do this and asked lois lerner to organize it je jussie smolle-- jack smith was bed hind the war on tea party. there is a lot more going on. we're now engaged in open your eyes wide, a democrat party lead revolution. that is destroying the foundation av principles of this country. and all of these institutions that were build up and all autocratic regimes they dress themselves in a self righteous, pro equality movement, they're not, i'l age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv i'm your football-obsessed-best-man. and i think you having your big da

against jack smith.th second m he told smith be challenging as criminal work in near term, nancy simmons, said, she done see a viable way to make a case. smith ne nevertheless, pushed forward. to set up an irs meeting and ingram told her staff we have do this and asked lois lerner to organize it j jussie -- jack smith was bed hind the war on tea party. there is a lot more going on. we're now engaged in open your eyes wide, a democrat party lead revolution. that is destroying the foundation av principles of this country. and all of these institutions that were build up and all autocratic regimes they dress themselves in a self righteous, pro equality movement, they're not, i'll be right back. their children. our complete k through 12 homeschool program includes courses in math, science, social studies, reading and language arts. it also includes electives such as music, 3d printing and programing. power homeschool has really transformed our child's experience and allows her to work at her own pace. visit

he is attacking jack smith repeatedly. and you see in the filing john lauro doing to joe biden's words exactly what jack smith predicts they will do with the evidence in this case if they get to release it publicly, which will take five words out of a 15 word line that some witnesses said completely distorted and put it out there and try to sell it for the public. and then, jack smith's terms, among other things, pollute the jury pool. >> yes, first of all, lawrence, i'm a little shocked to be saying this. but i actually agree in a way with donald trump. judge chutkan is a jack smith dream judge. she is a judge with integrity. we all know that nothing scares donald trump more than a judge who is actually gonna uphold the rule of law. and i think you are exactly right when you talked about that biden quote that is in the filing today, which is wrong on multiple levels. the most obvious way in which it's wrong is that joe biden is not the prosecutor in this case. indeed, he has nothing to do with it. jack smith is a career p

host: lorie smith. en newsmax, along with her lawyer, the day of the decision. >> the court's ruling today affirms that the government cannot force anyone to say something it does not believe. this protects lgbtq graphic designers, jewish calligrapher is, democrat speech writers. everybody should be free to create in line with what they believe. free speech is for everyone. the last seven years, i have been censored and silenced by the state of colorado. i am grateful that the supreme court is protecting everyone's speech. i just want to create something that is consistent with my beliefs. it is that the governments rule or job to force a citizen to speak messages that go ahead -- against their beliefs. after seven long years, i am excited for the next chapter of this journey and grateful for the decision today. host: i know you disagree. she says she has felt censored. what do you think? guest: you feel censored, even though colorado never brought a complaint against her. it was self-censorship. if a g

but take a listen to the d.a. >> i don't know what jack smith is doing and jack smith doesn't know whatng. in all honesty, if he was standing next to me, i'm not sure i'd know who he was. my guess is he can't even pronounce my name correctly. >> i want to bring in blaine alexander and charlie sykes. lisa ruben is an msnbc legal analyst. i guess there's a difference, lisa, between coordinating and communicating. what do you think is going on between jack smith and fani willis? >> i agree there's a difference between coordinating and communicating but in this case, i actually don't think either one is happening. i really do think that fani willis and the department of justice are pursuing their investigations on separate tracks. once either one of them or both indicts, do i think there will be some sort of communication? probably. i do think there will be communications between and among the various prosecutors here to try and determine a schedule. in particular, alvin bragg, manhattan d.a., last week said to a new york public radio show host that just because he was the first to charge d

jack smith says, no, that's not true. he was told time and time again that the things he was saying was not true. he knew what he was saying was false. >> katie, you have been following the special counsel's work on both trump cases. did anything surprise you tonight? >> i think one of the things that surprised me, unlike in the documents case, which was filled with revelations that you are constantly shocked about what the justice department had uncovered, this indictment is a speaking indictment in many ways. i want you to believe the narrative that the special counsel office tells reuters. this is what we believe happened. this is how trump and his coconspirators did it, how they were able to work together to try to slow down the results of the election, and intimidate election officials and to falsely saying that the election was one for trump. and when that didn't work, using the leverage at the justice department to get into and and using other means to get into and, that's great, but what was so interesting to me i

in jack smith's really detailed here. the most interesting part is a part where smith's office traces exactly the line where this fake electors plot goes from morally questionable but defensible legally to indefensibly criminal. he lays it out in detail. i quote him here. the plan, this is the fake electors planned, capitalized on ideas presented in memorandum drafted by coconspirator 5, who is believed to be canneries ally kenneth cheseboro. the memorandum evolved over time from a legal strategy to preserve the defendants rights to a corrupt plan to subvert the federal government function by stopping biden electors votes from being counted and certified. the first version of the memo, called the wisconsin memo, quote, advocated that, because of the ongoing recount of trump in wisconsin, trump electors there should meet and cast votes on december 1st to preserve the alternative of trump's electors laid in the event trump ultimately prevailed in the state. and what jack smith is saying here is, that's illegal activity. the

>> jack smith. >> wow. >> gets around.elist, friend of "the beat," we appreciate you being here. >> thanks, ari. >> when we come back, we mentioned john edwards was not helped even by going on trial. most folks are not. obama campaign vet chai komanduri has the deets and reseats when we come back. s whe. makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. e*trade from morgan stanley. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans help you find new trading opportunities, while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. e*trade from morgan stanley. when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis takes you off course. put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when i wanted to see results fast, rinvoq delivered rapid symptom relief and helped leave bathroom urgency behind. check. when uc tried to slow me down... i got lasting, st

we didn't have to wait this long, we don't have to wait for jack smith?hdi, we are sending a great message. you attempt a coup, we will get you in two years and 220 days. isn't that deterring? come on! merrick garland should've appointed jack smith in march of 2021, because even donald trump -- two weeks before and was going to run. jack smith has done an amazing job in seven months, i can applaud him enough. i've said before, mehdi, he is the john wick of prosecutors. you can say giannulli died in episode four, he didn't, i he's never going to die. >> don't ruin it for people. they are already making john week five. they are making john wick five. >> just like john wick lives forever, jack smith will live forever in donald trump's head as he sits in a prison cell for his last days. that is my hope. >> we will have to see, we will have to seat. you keep aspiring. ronaldo mayor rt, judge ledarrius cordell, thank you for your time. dean, stick around, i've got more stuff to talk to you about later in the hour. the one thing donald trump will never have to w

willis told a reporter, i don't know what jack smith is doing and jack smith doesn't know what i'm doing all honesty, if jack smith was standing next to me, i'm not sure i would know who he is. joining me is a political reporter for the "ed alan tick -- atlantic journal constitution." why is he going to such much effort to highlight -- >> yeah, she -- >> mr. trump and his lawyers will know everything. shouldn't the state and federal teams know what witnesses are saying to one another so they are not blindsided? >> she said she doubted jack smith could pronounce her name right. there is going to be overlap. this has been a diagram with overlap between the two. we know both federal and local prosecutors have contacted the governor, the focus of donald trump's ire throughout 2020. they both contacted secretary of state raffensperger, who is on the other side of that phone call where trump demanded he find exactly enough votes to overturn his election defeat here in georgia. fani willis has said she will pursue her own investigation. this is an investigation that's been going on for more tha

smith treats that as evidence.to prove that. i think he has a witness in the room. but in fairness to the defendant, if you go to trial and somebody disproved that or they come out with a recording that trump said something better than that, that's what we have trials for. we have to get to the truth through this process. >> ari melber, busy day ahead. we'll watch "the beat" as we do every night. 6:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. ari, thanks so much. neal, before we let you go, you've been emphasizing this point, that we need transparency here. this trial has to be televised. why is it so important? and number two, what is the likelihood it will be? >> i understand ari to be making a descriptive point saying this trial will likely not be televised. darn it. i don't think we can settle for this. this is the most momentous case. and one of the most important procedures in the history of the united states. the idea it will take place in a closed courtroom, where americans can't see this for their own -- with their own eyes,

jack smith made clear that this was ongoing — smith made clear that this was ongoing i_ smith made cleareason for get this one out — ongoing. i think the reason for get this one out against one defendant is to do— this one out against one defendant is to do exactly what he said in press conference. it's to enable a speedy— press conference. it's to enable a speedy trial. we're trying to get this one — speedy trial. we're trying to get this one defendant in the courtroom as test— this one defendant in the courtroom as fast as _ this one defendant in the courtroom as fast as possible. i would be very surprised _ as fast as possible. i would be very surprised if— as fast as possible. i would be very surprised if some of these other co—conspirators are not indicted. they— co—conspirators are not indicted. they clearly engaged in criminal behaviour— they clearly engaged in criminal behaviour so i would expect that to come _ behaviour so i would expect that to come in _ behaviour so i would expect that to come in the — behaviour so i would expect that to come in the not too distant future. at

smith throws at him.hink as i said before the indictment came down as the concern is this with play to smith's weaknesses. he tends to stretch the evidence, stretch the law when he wants to go after someone. i'm still looking in this indictment for something that is really sort of a moment. >> that may just pass you a little bit. you said that we can guess who the coconspirators are. i'm actually not sure. do you want to speculate? >> refers to attorneys that analyst said they would probably be john eastman, giuliani. those types of people are likely to be the reference points here. >> the indictment reads like a transcript of an msnbc show. they said the defendant and parent of the federal big government from functioning. isn't that literally the republican party platform? to reduce the ability of the federal government from functioning? they say it is a crime to ask mike pence not so certified. i wonder if you would agree tht was a crime. apparently the campaign managers told the defendant donald trump

i'm bothered that jack smith put me through. this. >> greg: me too. >> jesse: i feel like we are the victims here. everybody else in the country is a victim. >> dana: watching you as a speed reader was impressive. that's going to be it for us. >> special counsel jack smith is going to speak any moment after indicting former president trump. bret baier is next. hello, again. >> bret: the live toss is back for a day. >> dana: i love it. we missed you. >> bret: good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. breaking tonight, the 45th president of the united states has been indicted for a third time unprecedented in u.s. history. events surrounding the capitol riot january 6th, 2021. the efforts to overturn the 2020 election. as you are looking live there, special counsel jack smith will make remarks at a news conference from the justice department shortly. we will bring those to you here live and we have a full show of reaction to all of the developments and the specifics on the charges for that griff jenkins has the details

jack smith didn't have to do that. when describing a december 29th conversation between then president donald trump and vice president mike pence, jack smith did not have to include the phrase, as reflected in the vice president's contemporary us notes. jack smith referred to the presidents annexed can brainiacs notes more than once in the indictment to make it very clear to donald trump right now what he is up against in this case and to make it clear to the american people how solid the prosecutions evidence ears in this case. donald trump was eventually going to discover, through the legal discovery process of evidence, that mike pence took notes a long trump's conversations and the prosecution has those notes. the indictment clearly implies that everything that appears in quotation marks, and on trump's conversations with mike pence, comes from pence's notes, including the line you are too honest. as i emphasized here, don trump saying you are too honest to mike pence is gonna be the headline of the trump trial cov

and another person who may be there, special counsel jack smith. mr.th made an appearance after the indictment was issued yesterday and gave a statement to the news media. take a listen to what he had to say. >> since the attack on our capitol, the department of justice has remained committed to ensuring accountability for those criminally responsible for what happened that day. in this case, my office will seek a speedy trial so evidence can be tested in court and judged by a jury of citizens. >> reporter: the speedy trial thing is very interesting because it seems pretty clear to legal experts that the special counsel has crafted an indictment here designed to get to trial quickly. an indictment naming only donald trump as the defendant. six unindicted co-conspirators, an indictment that does not charge him with insurrection or inciting violence but narrow obstruction, and people's rights, related to the lies he told knowingly about obstruction fraud. mr. trump has defenses and that remains to be seen how quickly the case can get to trial, chris. >>

this is really one of the cornerstones of jack smith's case here. he said trump and these six individuals tried to trick these electors in the seven state tots sign the certificates asserting they were the original collectors and to send them to national archive in congress. the unite that pence could use them. we don't know the identity of this sixth individual yet. but i'm sure we'll back with that shortly. >> mostly curious. usually the term used when you talk about cocon spirit cores is unindicted. and the modifier is not -- there is nothing in this indictment that is not purposeful. so that word is not in there on purpose. it could mean they're going to be charged. perhaps they have indictments handed out. do you have any clarity? there. >> could be a number of reasons, including what jack smith told us today. he said they're still investigating. and as paula noted, we know from our reporting that they still are witness interviews lined up, including with bernie kerik, who can shed some light on these efforts to find evidence of authority fraud