>>> next, journalists kate aronoff on the history of socialism and what democratic socialism might look like in america. it's the subject of her book, "we o owned a future democratic socialism american-style." this was hosted by mcnally jackson bookstore. >> good evening everyone. thank you for coming out tonight to 1611 jackson looks at the seaport. we are happy you came out and tonight we are c celebrating the release of "me on the future democratic socialism american style." we are excited to have with us kate aronoff and michael the del smith. witnessing the current resurgence of the democratic socialism in the united states is exemplified by the growing membership democratic socialists of america and the popularity of politicians like bernie sanders and the aoc committee explore how this energy might be channeled to achieve a future that is more democratic, egalitarian, inclusive and environmentally sustainable. in the age of trump and beyond. so let me introduce our guest tonight, journalist kate aronoff postlight writing has appeared in the guardiancombination of dissent, jacquel

. >> next, journalist kate aronoff on the history of socialism and what democratic socialism might look like in america. it's the subject of her book "we own the future", democratic socialism american style. this event was hosted by mcnally jackson bookstore in new york city. >> good evening, everyone. thank you so much for coming out tonight to mcnally jackson books here at the seaport. we're really happy you came out and tonight, we are celebrating the release of "we own the future" democratic socialism american style. we're excited to have with us kate aronoff and michael smith, failing the working class, particularly people of color on marginalized. and exemplified by the growing members of democratic socialists of america and the popularity of politicians like bernie sanders and alexandria ocasio-cortez. they explore how this energy might be channelled to a future that might be more inclusive. eagletainer beyond the age of trump and beyond. let me introduce our guests tonight. journalist kate aronoff's writing in the guardian, jacobian, new york times, she's the co-editor of "we ow

i want to ask you are honing in on an idea of democratic socialism at the very least in the past decade or a little over a decade there has been a resurgence ever critique that is grounded in the democratic socialist tradition but i'm curious why socialism in particular as a mode of anti- capitalists yes, i would hone in on two things. it was a long history in the united states of socialism. it was inspired by robert ellen. virtually every socialism has those. reaching from w the boys. it has been the free lime of american history. organizers in the 50s and 60s were not always waving the official flag. so i think we see that coming up at this moment when people who are our age don't have the same kind of hangups that are baked into people that lived through this time where it was illegal or you could be deported for being a communist or a socialist. i think that have the profound effect. just tiny influence. on the left. so now that we are past that moment thankfully and not just millenials but comfortable with that term to the effect that we have bernie sanders who has been the democra

with democratic socialism in the united states and by the growing membership of democratic socialist and the popularity of bernie sanders and representative of causey of cortez to show a future that is more democratic inclusive and environmentally sustainable. in the age of trump and beyond. let me introduce our guest writing in the guardian and the nation and the new york times and is a coeditor of we own the future democratic socialism and she lives in brooklyn. michael smith author of new york times bestseller invisible man got the whole world watching he has written for the new york times the atlantic, the paris review author of the new republic and the guardian and has been a featured commentator on npr and bbc radio cnn, msnbc and also lives in brooklyn so now we will turn it over to our guests. after the discussion there will be some words from michael bennett later there will be q&a and after that there will be a book signing when q&a happens i will come back up and give you the microphone so c-span who is filming tonight can record your question. thank you so much. [applause

socialism and democracy? >> oil to the don't think there should be because democratic socialism should be redundant. one reason you have to use that term is so many regimes the columns of socialists have not been democratic. the principle that socialism starts with is people should be in control of their own lives which is the same principle as democracy. in some ways socialism, a lot of the economic socialist arguments are applications of the political principle of democracy to economic institutions, saying if we evaluate the workplace like we evaluate the judgment would conform to -- would have democratic legitimacy? the answer is top-down hierarchies and we call them dictatorships. ultimately socialism should be about democracy because they come from the same index. >> final question. >> back there. >> question how you think about labels in the political discussion. we talk about what is in this. isolate see the value in preventing people being scared by the word socialism but i wonder if you could speak about this. >> the question, do you like using labels, you -- it had been a label. one of my o

whether some people say he's a social democrat jacobin or social democrat it's unclear. he's in the socialist political tradition and if they are socialist then he's socialist. >> i think that most of the people that operated in the tradition of -- >> privatized trash is that socialist? >> it follows from the principles oprincipleso if the a really important part of socialism than even public libraries don't restructure the economy or make it so there isn't a class divide that they are things that are held in common. calling the fire department is socialist institution because you can imagine and ultimate department with privatized firefighting companies on the model medicine operates in the united states. introduced by the socialist party as a socialist measure because it is something we all held in common. british people owned them collectively. >> or the union's socialist, why are they into unions? >> the democratic party is part of socialism because the reasons when they talk about workers and the working class and talk about giving people a meaningful sense of parti

social-democratic parties held majorities in much of western europe. was still empowered. ♪ bret: welcome back to fox nation presents "the unauthorized history of socialism". in the mid- 1800s karl marx declared ward wide socialism inevitable, a century later a lot of experts thought he was right. an american president strongly disagreed and it was ronald reagan's words that proved prophetic. >> what i am discovering out the plan in the hope for the long-term, the march of freedom and democracy which will lead marxism, leninism on the edge as sheep of history as it has left other tyrannies which stifled the freedom and muzzle the self-expression of the people. bret: poland was the first domino to fall. solidarity an independent trade union had managed to survive underground through the 1980s. faced with rising discontent the polish communists finally gave in to demands for parliament early elections back there were free elections held that there was a trick which was there were certain seeds that were supposed to be guaranteed for the government which t

socialism back to the fore. i did not see like this, you know, cold war democrat suddenly getting the kids all down with socialism and not just that. he has multigenerational appeal or whatever, did not anticipate it. very happy it happened. don't completely understand why or how but wondered if you had any thoughts about why it's bernie's time to shine. >> well, yeah, i think a lot of it had to do with his training and the clarity and the consistency of the message. it was creating this narrative. our narrative and our version of villains and heroes, we're telling people that it's not their fault. we're telling people they can be protagonist in making a better country. that's a lot more positive than telling people that, you know, oh, you're unemployed. you should like reformat your cv. if that doesn't work, take a coding class. i think there is something -- i mean it sounds like it's populism in the worst sense. it sounds like demagoguery, but if your message can appeal to people in the abstract, then it won't work. there's no focus grouping that can make an antipopular message popular unless you go the route o

but he commends bernie sanders as a sellout as a social democrat. why do people follow bernie? these people fall to the left of bernie sanders. and there is a big article in berlin and germany and is a real socialist not social democracy and then move away to social democracy and socialism and to go on and on. he is not the anti-semite and those which are coming back to in the bolshevik revolution failed and unlike those failures hours will work. >>. >> public policy fellow at the wilson center. to me this is a spectacle to see the american left and the so-called socialist today expressing solidarity. and it is repeating an old mistake with this attraction to authoritarian regime certainly there are explanations you might offer or a slogan, but i wonder if you can see that fatal attraction with the explanation. >> i would like to see the young people come up with sue one - - some new ideas and make their own mistakes. why do they have to repeat mine and my parents and my grandparents? that is my point. that this has been tried before. over roughly six generations were a couple o

so next -- i should just say about the democratic socialism, this is what i think young democratic socialism missed is a nexus theory of freedom. went to abolish private property you have to move forth cleaning state patrol if you have any advance production. that will also be extremely inefficient and that was stagnation pre-people do not like that. that means they will throw you out of power if you let them voluntarily reelect you. but precisely because you centralize the power of the economy you are able to request them so they cannot throw you out of office in a democratic election. which is exactly what we have seen with maduro. he was reelected last year with wide margins at the same time people on average lost 24 pounds, they did not find jenny craig. when your population is not getting enough to eat there's no way get reelected. yes state employees being ordered to reelect the person or they will lose their job. yet food stands next to polling places. that is a necessary connection between socializing your economy and democratic. he. cuba is not starving socialism. this is the strugg

that is the necessary connection between socializing your economy and democratic tyranny. cuba is not starting socialism. this is subsistent socialism, chugging along. i'll give you two anecdotes from the travel rather than political economy story. it illustrates some of the dysfunction of a centrally planned system. first member state ownership means of production hotels are part of the means of production say after state-owned hotel industry. we're not trying, you could stay at the hotel national, five-star which is nice by those the net the state on hotels suck. we stayed one. we were not kind to send back it. this was a post with three starts and one of bob's friends recommended the place. it looks okay, a picture from an open in 19 said in a period looks a less nice today. you see the exterior. and you go to our room, see how tall this building was. there's exactly four elevators and three of them are out of service. that's our bathroom ceiling. this is another state hotel in central havana when we stated that would later. that's the class became out of the sanitary ba

such poll this is the 1st since june 28th to indicate a majority for the conservatives on the social democrats is that juju vis crisis well the short answer is yes ok well that's a loose. thank you so much. we do like to be concise now where those of us opposed to stay indoors and stay away from found friends and family a social media is helping to fill the void videos and names have become sources of smiles during the crisis so let's take a look at how some people have been showing their creative sides. which music is the medicine for the mind creating a virus has its own showing right. for some home office means blowing off some steam. for their use getting a bit more restless. how about some sports. to fish no equipment and just improvise. even if the goods are in short supply. we've seen disappearing cars. not to mention disappearing parents. some just want to ride off into the distance. others have been sharing their time for state attempts at home a face masks just don't forget our canine companions and to fall out fail just party. as a reminder of the top stories that our india's prime

i was the big formal leader of the social democratic and labor party welcome back to the other later to later to be back are they could like to see you again thinking from your perspective a long leader campaigning constitutional nationalist. you must be pretty pleased with the way things are going i mean they assemble is back up and running in the north they. off the results of the elections of the public then unification prospectors on the if not meet your agenda setting on the medium term agenda and it's not looking like there's not going to be the threat of a ball that on land is going to be won on the irish sea following so it's pretty good from a constitutional nationalist but if you have is a very positive description ali but the reality is some months something short of that i'm very glad to see they're simply back up again on the marking and people are car are happy the battles happened i'm not saying they're overconfident because they basically want to see product people want to see it calms that prove leaves and with a few months to go before we start producing political p

members of the political spectrum including the junior coalition partner the social democrats saying the agreement yesterday didn't go far enough and germany's commitment didn't go far enough that bolder action is needed to really get an effective recovery fund up and working. so all of the so-called corona bonds that countries like germany and the northern countries are opposed to other they now off the table. no so far basically nothing is off the table the chancellor said very clearly yesterday both in her report marie marks to the german border stock and also in her press conference after that e.u. video summit that germany was ruling such mutualization of debt out but the fact is that what the summiteers yesterday decided in their video conference essentially was to hand the whole subject back to the e.u. commission the commission is supposed to come up with an exact assessment of how bad the damage is in different sectors in different countries across the e.u. and then make recommendations about how this fund could be set up and how its payout would look and so at the moment th

and i want to point out nixon was a conservative and bront was a social democrat but both of them came to a politics of peace. so we know nixon's achievements, as much as he was a hawk and fought peace, he did engage in it, he did the china visit in february, moscow in may, signed treaties at this meeting in moscow and, of course, achieved the vietnam peace accords in 1973. detente was not really a radical departure from the established cold war order. rather the dramatic public enactments have to be seen as the culmination of the trans-national peace politics that had been in the making in the previous two decades. and billy bront, who became chancellor of germany, pretty much i found out yesterday when i looked up the exact date, he became chancellor exactly 50 years ago, on october 22nd, tomorrow, 50 years ago. he developed his policy of -- it was called change through -- in the early 1960s, when he was in no position to implement it. at the time he was mayor of berlin. he was mayor of berlin during the berlin wall crisis. by 1966, i believe, he had become foreign minister of german

sanders says today is reaffirming his praise for castro when something different than the democratic socialism movement. we were very far-reaching in terms of our imagining of a different economy but we were also very strict in insisting that everything had to be done democratically and in that also means that we exit created those regimes around the world that call themselves socialists but were dictatorships. we had no sympathy for any of them, unlike sanders and i gradually got a different kind of understanding of economics so it seemed to me even though i'm proud that we were always democrats and never deviated from that but i think my ideas about economics were kind of imaginary about the economy how it might work without private property and without the incentives that go with it. last thought to the ambassador. i think maybe the difference in the newspapers you read was because the people who were writing those polish newspapers really did not believe in the system whereas people writing morningstar really did believe in it. [laughter] >> last thing, may i think jeff, charles, very much

the social demo screw -- the social democrat is out campaigning for his party even if upcoming electionsere processed -- were postponed because of the coronavirus. to try to boost the economy of the district, he launched a card for his citizens to obtain discounts a year ago. despite the lack of customers, the shopkeeper appreciates the dynamism of her mayor because she is sorry toto see young peoe sesert the country, often tired of the power of political parties. [speaking foreign language] >> afterwards, the mayor visits this almost empty bar. the bar's young owner is yearning to leave. when he launched this business 10 years ago he was convinced things could improve. today he is struggling to get out. [speaking foreign language] >> according to world bank statatistics, a ququarter of the population has left the country in the past 10 years. -- took only a few weeks ago. in love with art nouveau, this young architectct never tires of strolling the streets of brussels. >> this one is the most famous one. is the first art nouveau building i learned about. we thought it was cool. we neede

and the other 3rd is from social democrats and other parties from the left party even in the east and the eastern countries so it's not a sister or children of the c.d.u. it's the children of living the countryside at home a sight behind it's a sign for neglecting the needs of the people in the in the 5 new lender in germany of germany and 3rd we should be very well aware that the f.d.a. is a party with precious roots but we should not blame the waters we should name and shame the defenders of this wrong policy like hooka and we cannot cooperate with heads of the party who are very very right wing but for the c.d.u. in in the our republic we should stay to the center if we turn to the right if we should go to the right we will lose in the center and we will lose more than we might gain at the right wing a very famous quote i'd like to bring in now from france years of strauss legendary prime minister of bavaria and former candidate for chancellor no legitimate political party can be to the right of the c.s.u. your sister are you working together you can adhere to that mantra and ignor

of partners whether our caucus christian democratic and christian social union we demanded to achieve this by the end of this period so that means in 2021 but our coalition partner the s.p.d. didn't want that at all so we need to find compromises and what the compromise was to achieve that cold. 2025 however the pure numbers won't hope this would be about 60000000000 euros some 5 years ago we had nearly 32000000000 euros so that would mean to nearly double it by 2025 and 2 percent would mean 80000000000 euros who takes you seriously about if you can't even abide to your commitments on the international scale because you have those internal dynamics regarding your cold current coalition and your participant who takes you seriously we need to come down because we are very honest and our defense minister as well as the chancellor made the commitment one but 5 percent but 2025 due to our coalition commitments and to to continue and to achieve the 2 percent goal by 2031 i know as a simple member of parliament that this is too long too late but we have also an armed forces which was not abl

if you want to advance the democratic socialism the democratic party is hostile territory to live should and in speak for itself through its own party so with bernie one of the end of this group i think it gives an opportunity to the green party so people that supported sanders because of medicare for all were at full strength green new deal they have an option in the phone and that will be the green party ticket. so you feel he never really had a shot me should have known that to begin with. yeah he knows i mean his hero used to be eugene debs didn't talk about death so much now it's f.d.r. and the new debs was for independent political action by the working class so you know he's really not been a socialist so much as a liberal you know new deal liberalism tax the billionaires to fund some social problems programs the problem with that is being there still have the economic power which translates in the construct of political power so you're always fighting to get those social programs in the billionaire class can roll them back and that's why we need democratic socialism as a socialis

the other was a social democrat. both of them came to a politics of peace. we know nixon's achievements, as much as he was a hawk and might have fought the idea of waging peace, he did engage in it. of course he did the china visit, moscow, signed treaties in moscow and of course achieved peace accords in 1973. detente was not a radical departure. rather the thematic public enactment of peace politics had to seen as a culmination in the making in the previous decades. the chancellor of germany, pretty much i found out yesterday pretty much exactly 50 years ago. he developed his policy of change through rapprochement when he was no position to implement it. he was mayor of bellaire in -- berlin at the time. by 1966, he had become foreign minister of german ministryy and when he became chancellor he was able to implement his politics which meant improving relations with moscow, warsaw in 1970. he conducted, signed the basic treaty which normalized relations with east germany, followed by a treaty in 1973. these three treaties acknowledged the existing postwar

that's true you know we're being ruled here in germany by a coalition of course servitors and social democrats as they've been really cooperating very well there has been some jostling amongst the premiers of the various federal states but all in all one has to say that all political parties have been on one side in this crisis and the opposition parties such as the greens and the right wing populists are really nowhere to be seen and in fact that is a silver state at the moment the normal jostling the political jostling has not yet commenced again on spawn thank you very much. france has been under partial lockdown for over 3 weeks spot with the number of infections still on the rise social distancing measures are likely to be extended president i'm unaware mark owns you to address the nation next week to explain the path forward in paris the rules have become even stricter enforced with fines and even prison time our paris correspondent lisa lewis shows us just how small 'd her life as because i think confined to these 30 square meters for weeks now but i do have the right to go out once a d

fact that's true you know we're being ruled here in germany by a coalition of conservatives and social democrats as they've been really cooperating very well there has been some jostling amongst the premiers of the various federal states but all in all one has to say that all political parties have been on one side in this crisis and the opposition parties such as the greens and the right wing populists are really nowhere to be seen and in fact that is a silver state at the moment the normal jostling the political jostling has not yet commenced again on spawn thank you very much. now let's take a look at some other coronavirus related news from around the world saudi arabia has announced a 2 week ceasefire in the war in yemen coming into effect today the move is believed to have been motivated by the global corona virus outbreak with the forces aligned with iran have not yet said if they will observe the cease fire. police in australia have seized a black box from a cruise ship which disembarked hundreds of passengers infected with corona virus in sydney ruby princess has been linked to hundreds

of those good talking to thank you so much for joining us professor cammarata bought from the social democratic party and the university of color. thank you so much. now let's round up some of the latest developments in the pandemic yemen has reported its 1st 2 deaths from a corona virus the u.n. says it fears the disease could be spreading undetected in the war torn country russia has recorded its highest daily increase in infections it now has more than 100000 confirmed cases south korea has reported no new domestic cases for the 1st time in 2 months and the czech republic says the spread of the virus is contained after 8 consecutive days a few of the $100.00 new cases. well since the corona virus outbreak began the advice has been to stay at home and save lives but for some this is where they're actually the most vulnerable to domestic violence agencies say that surging numbers of abuse cases are going unchecked because restrictions on physical distancing mean victims especially children i've known to turn to. the look down for many means living on top of each other no playgrounds for young

the social democrats with their ideas of liberalism or especially hated the communists were agitating from the left the d.m.v. and increasingly the nazi party from the right. they called for parliament and political parties to be abolished. thing but i don't think i'm. right let me give you but i know. that. the. i think i do. i think you have that at a time. today the f.d.a. is trying to claim the mantle of savior. they see the government and other political parties as enemies of the people. the i pad thai traditional political parties are trapped in their multicultural republican make tricks and musty outdated cowardly good the refined and even discounts of invasive dear friends of the chancellor wants to create a fait accompli before she resigns it in before she wants to make the great replacement irreversible don't ask me what her motives are for some reason she has something against the german people and how c. address skiing that starts a ford. escape in and i don't want to create a different country a country without immigrant families a country without a liberal culture and a

[indiscecernible] just like the social democratic .arty in europe, lost touch conclusn -- [indisiscernibleamy: 20 seconds. look, you have huge extension. very low turnout. [indiscernible] amy: i want to thank you so much, thomas piketty, and there's so much wawant to talk about the people can read a lot about your thoughts in your new book. thomas piketty is a french economist whose work focuses on wealth and income inequality. his new book is just out called "capital and ideology." when we come back, president trump invoked the defefense production act to bar local governments from closing meatpacking plants around the the, even though they are major hotspots for ththe cocoronavirus. what does this mean for the thousands of w workers who have gotten sick? we wilill get response frorom gl health experert lawrence gostin. stay with us. ♪ [music break] amy: mozart's "the marriage of figaro" performed by the national orchestra of ill du france while socially distancing in their homes. playing alone togethther. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, , the quarante report. with nermeenman sh

i'm a social democrat is what you would call somebody like me in europe. i believe in a market economy but with a very strong safety net. what we're seeing is that our safety net has ig, big holes i it normally we think of this as being a problem of protecting people or redistributing to people who are persistently disadvantaged. right now we're seeing something even within classes it's very uneven if you happen to bei work ng the restaurant industry or travel industry your entire sustenance is gone. we need social insurance is what we talk about. we're seeing a real demonstration. how important it is that we have a system for dealing with really a disaster relief where the disaster is on a scale we've never seen before. >> yeah. if you wouldn't mind sticking around for a second, we have some new details from washington from the small business administration about where the majority of the loan money went. i'd like to get that and have you react on the other side. kayla. >> reporter: the sba just put out a slide deck giving us a snapshot of that loan progr

barring constitutional amendments, meaning we can see amendments, meaning we can see a lot of the social democraticpolicies they pursued over the last few years and the detente with north korea. the figures of 2500 cases, 229 deaths across the pieces are not so bad in any case, and when you look at that annie transferred across the world, you can understand south koreans thinking that they have had a very well run arrangement here. for democracy, south korea has become a model for respond in —— corresponded to the coronavirus and there has been coverage on this network and elsewhere and i think the government of president moon jae—in benefited greatly from it. the policy issue going forward is that coronavirus is something like leftfield in policy terms, right? . wasn't a referendum on what the other things the president moon jae—in government has done like the states expansion and outreach to north korea, those we re outreach to north korea, those were on the ballot but then they were pushed off. the reality is that prior to this the economy was going backwards, plenty of scandals and corruption s

stuff this may be gone i think of a recess which will democrat knows incidentally the nordic social democrat everybody supports the national health service the queen was gushing about it last night which is sometimes to undid the more that see the even the best of the systems which as a comprehensive health service as opposed to the patchwork of medicare the better and so i think the things are talked about at the moment in the technology lowdown the 20 mph to come on in to suit nice mystical statements departmental questions there are certain questions an underlying sort would at least hello i've been part of parliament to function out of that successful earth there's talk of encouraging the number of under 20 you could take part to move or we should of course been in mind a whole lot out of it $650.00 a piece when with $300.00 girls could fit in the common street at any time so and reality for if it's just a speed the 1st steps of a virtual parliament will be constrained as well but it might be a better way to go because i said it i don't want 2 flights and basically other be the virtue of