if you, if you like somalia, somali pirates, you would see a lot more of them absent the u.s. navy.american exceptionalism means right now that we're the only country with the ability to deter a bunch of bad guys if doing a bunch of bad things in all sorts of different areas. >> but bill, quickly, does that mean we have a responsibility to intervene any place in the world where dictators are doing bad things to their people? >> absolutely not. the president has made that point clear. but the fact that we have neither the responsibility nor the capacity to intervene everywhere doesn't mean that we have the right to intervene nowhere. we should do what we can, consistent with possibility. >> bill galston of the brookings institution, many thanks to you. >> my pleasure. >>> in other news, faith groups were among those who marked the 12th anniversary of 9/11. at an annual unity walk in washington, members of different religions came together to promote interfaith understanding. the day included visits to several houses of worship, and prayers led by a diverse group of clergy. there was

they weren't al shabaab and in it for the money like the somali pirates. how did they treat you? they give you food? did they assault you? >> there was harsh treatment. we lived outside for the entire 93 days. we were never taken into any buildings we sat under trees in the day and slept in the open at night. and very aggressive and the guys holding us were addicting to this leaf that made them high. >> it's a twig that is like amphetamines and by the end of the day they are wired. >> wired, paranoid and trigger happy. >> how many cases are there like yours in a year? >> i don't know. >> one of the unfortunate things about this is the united states and the african union had a success story in somalia. a completely failed state and total mess. you were in it at that time. they have started -- and now finished pushing them back out of the capital and a president recognized by the u.s. >> and it was a famine that started it. they refused to allow in aide workers to feed people. i want to bring in peter bergen. is this a sign of strength by al shabaab or a sign of weakness? this is a

. >> we also have tom hanks playing the captain of a ship hijacked by somali pirates, right? and this is another true story about a ship that was off of somalia. it was the first american ship to be taken over by pirates since the 19th century. and captain richard phillips played by tom hanks with a very cool boston accent, they get taken over. i think one of the interesting things and twists about the film is that you end up really seeing the point of view of the young 17 and 19-year-old pirates. it's not just the story about americans kind of in danger, but the story about this really terrible situation there. >> what about "12 years a slave." this was also a true story, the theme of the fall movies. a lot of people are saying this could get early oscar buzz. >> it's got early oscar buzz, absolutely. it's going to be at toronto film festival next week. steve mcqueen, not the one you heard of back in the '60s, but the artist, british artist is now a filmmaker. this is his third film. "shame" was his last film. he has directed this film about three born black men in the 19th

they weren't al shabaab and in it for the money like the somali pirates. how did they treat you? give you food? did they assault you? >> there was harsh treatment. we lived outside for the entire 93 days. we were never taken into any buildings we sat under trees in the day and slept in the open at night. and very aggressive and the guys holding us were addicting to this leaf that made them high. >> it's a twig that is like amphetamines and by the end of the day they are wired. >> wired, paranoid and trigger happy. >> how many cases are there like yours in a year? >> i don't know. >> one of the unfortunate things about this is the united states and the african union had a success story in somalia. a completely failed state and total mess. you were in it at that time. they have started -- and now finished pushing them back out of the capital and a president recognized by the u.s. >> and it was a famine that started it. they refused to allow in aide workers to feed people. i want to bring in peter bergen. is this a sign of strength by al shabaab or a sign of weakness? this is all th

we talked about the somali pirates than the terrorist group that's exist. >> it's the definition of a failed state. it is the absolute definition, broken apart long ago. we're talking did a government in mogadishu, not the government of somalia, in fact. it's every clan for itself. >> all right. thank you gentlemen. we'll have another report coming up. thank you very much. >>> the 4-year-old girl known as baby veronica is back with her adoptive parents after a court order forced her biological father to hand her over last night. this bitter emotional heartbreaking custody battle over this child is not over yet. plus -- >>> reserving the right to object. i'm happy to discuss it with the majority leader -- >> is there an objection? >> i object. >> senator ted cruz battling with majority leader harry reid on senate floor but it's the republican leadership now leaving cruz out on a limb by rejecting his tactic to de-fund obama care. plus, bill clinton set to appear with president obama later this afternoon to kick off the obama care rollout. we'll talk about it in the first read. you can

. >> tom hanks plays captain phillips, whose cargo ship was hijacked by somali pirates in 2009. >> where? >> i don't know. >> shoot me. >> you feel like this is happening in front of your eyes and you're right in the middle of it. >> look at me. look at me. i'm the captain now. >> it's one of many of this fall's films based on real people and events. naiomi watts plays diana. and "mandela: long walk to freedom." julian assange has a flair for the dramatic. his early life has inspired a hollywood drama. >> we're winning the information war. you want to throw that all the way because you fear some u.s. government informant might come to harm. >> you can't manning how excited i am to finally meet you. >> in "saving mr. banks," walt disney has to pull out all the stops to convince author p.l. travers to let him turn her book "mary poppins" into a movie. >> stop. mary poppins is not for sale. >> damn. >> tom hanks plays disney. emma thompson is travers. >> i had a wager i couldn't get you on a ride. i just won $20. >> an 185 memoir inspired "12 years a slave." salmon norfolk is man born in fr

phillips is known for his heroic efforts after somali pirates attacked his chip. >>> let's go politico. mike allen here with the morning playbook. i guess, mike, nancy pelosi unplugged? that's the title of your interview with house democratic leader nancy pelosi. let's listen to what leader pelosi said when you asked her of what she makes of the republican scorn for president obama. >> don't know. i never seen anything like it. i guess the closest identify seen since my service in congress was in a very irresponsible way when the house impeached president clinton because he was an effective president. this is an effective president. not only that he has the power of being a largely nonpartisan president. >> wow. [ laughter ] >> i love nancy but my god she hasn't seen anything like it since january 19th, 2009, george w. bush's last full day of being president of the united states. >> why? >> mike allen, nancy pelosi unplugged. what else did you learn? >> so we spent about 50 minutes with leader pelosi and she said she believes that republicans are on a path designed to deliberately shut

there was publicity about the pirates operating off the somali coast. it will be for economic reasons if the no extremist, political or religious reasons. we paid those parts very little attention for a long period of time. this violence between kenya and somalia has simmered for a longtime. it is not that anybody paid much attention to it. i think when you see the rise in violence in places like nigeria and in mali and. nigerin kenya, really we have just got to pay more attention to africa because of the risk to citizens found throughout the region. >> and once again as we heard from that statement, our u.s. em bough sigh -- embassy is mentioned and as those people were heavily impacted with the bombing there, and then you have them being affected again today. those americans injured no doubt will have to interface with the embassy if they need to come home. quickly i want to change topics with you. i have such an opportunity to ask you about this ahead of next week. ambassador there has been talk now regarding iran that our president might meet with t

already went on record as saying that there's at least several score of former somalis that made their way back as either pirates, that was the center of gravity for piracy as well as joining al shabaab, an offchute of al qaeda. >> is there a fear that syria, given the crisis there could turned into a failed statement? >> this is the greatest nightmare in the middle east. this has become in effect the underground railroad forr al qaeda's resurrection. we're going to have a brand-new franchise cell that is going to be probably far more dangerous to the united states as a result of its activities in the growth by the front and the graph tagsal pull of over al qaeda want to bes. we've heard evidence that there's fluent english speaking natives from europe and canada who have already gone to syria and they were interviewed by an independent television reporter. so that only goes to show you that these are martyrs who have joined al qaeda from the west already and -- they are really becoming a dangerous threat to the united states and to the west in the next few weeks and months. >> scary stuff. thank you as always.

somali. >> first of all, kenya is sort of the platform the west has been using against shabaab. there's been various covert action, programs going on based out of kenya. nighting the shabaab. fighting the piratesave been very positive. >> you've got regular shopping for eyeglass shop and clothing and super markets. you have many families. you have people going about their daily business and doing it on the weekends, the most popular time in which to do so, you know, just to prepare yourself for the workweek. >> well, the worst case scenario is a bunch of these kids coming back buying weapons in the yiegts. some place like minneapolis or chicago and going after one of our malls here. they are indefensible. there's nothing you can do about it. >> i find this very alarming. the possibilities here go on and on. >> how can the u.s. -- how can u.s. intelligence be an active par tis paint in being able to thwart koupter terrorism plots at the same time authorities are not asking for the ugs assistance right now. the law enforcement job is being done by kenya authorities and israeli authorities right there and now. we can train them on how to take down a building, but beyond that, there's not much we

pirates. this is the latest of a lot of problems to come out of there. there are many, many thousands of somali group, al qaeda. and you often heard from the obama administration that al qaeda is on the run. the president has said that not only during the campaign but after. but the infrastructure of al qaeda has been dismantled. that may be true in part, but now spread with multiple heads popping up around the world. >>. >> shabab jihad are part of al qaeda. they have been threatening kenyan forces, the kenyan government and the president not to send soldiers and the peace core, and the peace forces that are trying to stabilize somalia. so this is evidence that al qaeda organizations itself internationally. it's not just a local problem with that mall or a local problem with an ethnic group. if you do not counter the ideology, it's going to create extremist, create things that we've heard, that we attack the christians or in pakistani or iraq, let the shia go out, let the pakistanis say. the sheer issue is about radicalization. this is what happens when you ignore the ideology producing that e