they go to somalia together. >> charlie: and then what happens?> when omar gets to somalia, he's left his wife and baby daughter in egypt. his mother had been visiting at the time. he told her he was going to look for a job. so he's left them in the dark. when he gets to somalia he calls home and from the beginning he's not telling them fully what's going on. he cess he's there to visit his wife, her family. what i can say for sure by the end of 2006 he has enlisted with the shebab which means youth. and it's this militant group that is increasingly linked to al-qaeda. and he starts, really he lands with this 22 year old who has no military training. and what's interesting to me is that the same things that kind of elevated him in high school, that made him this really popular figure, his charisma, his edginess what some of his friends would call his effoless cool, seemed to have served him with the shebab also. >> charlie: he rose to leadership. >> he rose to leadership position. it's hard to say exactly what that position is but i've been able t

that are going to somalia, some cases u.s.tizens that are going to somalia and that are involved in training camps there. that's one area of concern. gammon is another area of concern as is obvious. and again, they are al qaeda has a presence and we have strong intelligence that's going to target those individuals. more importantly, we have intelligence that indicates there is a continuing effort to try to recruit somebody to institute some kind of attack on the united states. >> dr. blair. >> senator feingold, i think you're familiar with the organization al qaeda and mama grab which is based in the western africa and is i think what we're learning is that this really is a syndicate al qaeda in the south asia, yemen, other places and that they in ways we don't entirely understand how people from one, abdulmutallab was a nigerian, 70 million muslims generally moderate in nigeria but obviously there isn't a number who can be radicalized to the point that she went. so what i'm finding it is to put in a geographic pigeonhole susp

are individuals that are going to somalia.n some cases, u.s. citizens that are going to somalia and that are involved in training camps there. and that's one area of concern. yemen is another area of concern, as is obvious. and, again, there al qaeda has a presence, and we have strong intelligence that's trying to target those individuals. more importantly, we have intelligence that indicates that there is a continuing effort to try to recruit somebody to institute some kind of attack on the united states. >> director blair? >> senator feingold, i think you are familiar with the organization al qaeda in the magreb which is based in western africa. i think what we're learning is that this really is a syndicate al qaeda in the south asia, yemen, other places. and that they, in ways that we don't entirely understand, pass people from one to the other. abdulmutallab was a nigerian. 70 million muslims, generally moderate in nigeria. obviously, there isn't a number who can be -- who can be radicalized to the point that he went. so i

is it on the same scale as from afghanistan or pakistan or even somalia? >> no, the epicenter of terrorism is afghanistan and pakistan, but mainly pakistan. al qaeda is organized there, but we have some success in dispersing them and some success in reducing their effectiveness. if you have success in pakistan and afghanistan, it is inevitable that some people will organize elsewhere. i have no doubt that when al qaeda left saudi arabia and went to yemen, there was a self- organized unit of al qaeda there taking instructions, and certainly working under the guidance of al qaeda in pakistan. but it is not of the same scale. the issue in yemen must be that, given the conflicts that exist in that country already, we must make sure that the government of yemen is focused on the al qaeda threat. we can help them deal with some of the other problems that they have to deal with, secessionist movements and other difficulties they have holding their country together, but we must make sure that they are aware that if this terrorist threat is allowed to grow in this

but in places like yemen, i would add somalia to the list, we have a real growing al qaeda presence,ituation. we have in one case somalia, a stateless, ungovernable country and in yemen, not too far away from that. >> you think yemen is that unstable? >> you got the rebellion in the north, the secessionist fight in the south, you have a president saleh been there for 30 years, kind of carefully orchestrating the different tribes and playing all sides. it is a very tenuous situation and feels like the wild west in yemen. >> speaking of pakistan, i know you met with president zardari, pakistan has been quite cooperative in recent weeks, picking up high profile taliban. what do you think tipped the balance? what has changed where it seems like pakistan is more willing to help out in this area? >> that i think is the good news in terms of the changes we have seen over the last year. that is pakistan is engaged in this massive military operation south of waziristan and the valley. i think when the pakistani taliban and the home grown militants were within 60 miles of islamabad, threatenin

so we have seen for example the somalia, another area that is poorly governed, has become a save covin for al-shabaab, and al qaeda linked group that has in one way become very successful as a recruiter of westerners to come and and train and actually carry out terrorist attacks. we have seen a greater presence of al qaeda in yemen although this again has been a feature now for a couple of years. and even in democrat, north africa, we now have the phenomenon of al qaeda in maghreb which is the successor to some of the terrorist organizations in north africa and there's some evidence we have seen that they are forging links with drug traffickers coming from south america and providing safety and security for drug shipments that are being transmitted from south america through north africa ultimately to be sold in europe. this of course is an economic arrangement that is beneficial to the terrorists and much the same way the taliban in afghanistan benefited from the ability to make money off of the cultivation of opium in that part of the world. finally we have to look at the issue of ho

somalia and yemen are failed and failing states that require enormous attention.d manier threats are outlined in the dni's testimony. so now let me turn to the vice chairman with whom i have had the pleasure of working this year, and i thank him very much for his cooperation on all matters. mr. vice chairman? >> madam chair be let me welcome our witnesses and thank you for the very open and generous way that you and your staff have worked with the minority. we believe that this is the way we can achieve what we're supposed to achieve, bipartisan, nonpartisan oversight of the critically important intelligence community. this hearing today comes at a time where the importance of the national security threats are currently highlighted by recent events. from the terror plots disrupted this fall by the fbi, to the deadly attacks at ft. hood and the little rock recruiting station to the failed attack on christmas day, we have seen an alarming number of terrorist threats in particular within and against the homeland and their being carried out. as members and witnesses a

and so we have seen, for example, that somalia, another area that is poorly governed has become a safend trained and carry out terrorist attacks. . . this again has been a feature now for a couple of years. and even in democrat, north africa, we now have the phenomenon of al qaeda in maghreb which is the successor to some of the terrorist organizations in north africa and there's some evidence we have seen that they are forging links with drug traffickers coming from south america and providing safety and security for drug shipments that are being transmitted from south america through north africa ultimately to be sold in europe. this of course is an economic arrangement that is beneficial to the terrorists and much the same way the taliban in afghanistan benefited from the ability to make money off of the cultivation of opium in that part of the world. finally we have to look at the issue of homegrown terrorism. this topic is then much discussed certainly for it's been manifest in many countries around the world, particularly countries in europe. it has not been a big problem in the

and now increasingly it's being talked about in yemen, perhaps somalia.rone has become the favorite of the obama administration. >> what's the number of troops we have right now in afghanistan? >> well, it varies day-to-day.o but we are in the process -- and it should be complete by july. we will have just about 100,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan. >> how many do we have in iraq? >> in iraq it's about 123,000 right now. >> does that include the mercenaries?nÑs >> no. in both countries there are more mercenaries now than there are troops. in afghanistan, there are about 104,000 mercenaries. not all foreign. of those of about -- i'm not sure i have the numbers in my head. i think about a third are afghans who are working for the u.s. military. similar to the percentages in iraq. but there are -- there will be when the troop buildup, the escalation that president obama announced last month in december -- when that buildup is complete, there will be over 200,000 u.s.-paid gsí÷soldiers, mercenaries, and others -- not counting the civilian, quote, surge which y

is it on the same scale as from afghanistan or pakistan or even somalia?of terrorism is afghanistan and pakistan, but mainly pakistan. al qaeda is organized there, but we have some success in dispersing them and some success in reducing their effectiveness. if you have success in pakistan and afghanistan, it is inevitable that some people will organize elsewhere. i have no doubt that when al qaeda left saudi arabia and went to yemen, there was a self-organized unit of al qaeda there taking instructions, and certainly working under the guidance of al qaeda in pakistan. but it is not of the same scale. the issue in yemen must be that, given the conflicts that exist in that country already, we must make sure that the government of yemen is focused on the al qaeda threat. we can help them deal with some of the other problems that they have to deal with, secessionist movements and other difficulties they have holding their country together, but we must make sure that they are aware that if this terrorist threat is allowed to grow in this fragile state and in un

radar screen, we had mondays of debate about afghanistan and not much public discourse about yemen, somalia, so we have to look at this globally. and i think we need to set for a program that gets at operationalizing what president obama has done in terms it of the cairo speech, reaching out to muslims, destroying the narrative that the west is at war with islam. david is right, we handed the enemy gifts in terms of propaganda value and we have to make sure we are not doing it in the future. >> david cole, i want to you talk about the future. i also want you to tackle this question. are we talking about nuance here, or are we talking about nuance in approach or are we talking about something that is really fundamentally different? >> i think it's fundamentally different to say you are going it to thrust the law aside and say with you are going to fight a war and fight terror within the rule of law. i think what the obama administration has shown us and is struggling with is that the rule of law permits a state to use certificate us-- serious tactics, to use preventive detention when you are

entry was 6,000 drugs, 4,000 surgical procedures and we are trying to deploy its city by city of somalia at the right time and place for people and we are having a hard time. >> host: is there a big fix that is possible? >> guest: this is the stark difference between coverage and the problems of cost and quality. coverage, providing insurance to the white population of people who were missing it, 45 million, we have ted solutions on the shelf for 30 years now. is it public coverage, is that private coverage but whichever way there is a solution. when it comes to quality and cost this is more a management problem. you never fix the dolleck once and we have this great frustration about the health care bill that where is the master plan for solving cost 1 cent for all? and, the reality is that in order to organize care more effectively we know we have some fundamental problems. doctors don't work together. we are fragmented and the incentives in the system where we are paid piecemeal, fee-for-service have led to piecemeal care with overtreatment in certain sectors, under treatment of proble

all the plots emerging, not only from yemen but also there was one plot emerging out of some ol-- somalia in australia this past summer. and so now we see plots not just coming from pakistan, but also from other parts in the world. but we have to understand that most of the plots are people from the west going to those places, some of them getting training, and then coming back to the west. >> warner: now you as a psychiatrist have really studied this phenomenon. what does account for this seemingly endless supply of recruits that you call the lone wolves. >> yeah, we see more lone wolves now. and they have a strong presence, strong participation in jihadi chatrooms. and that's where the radica radicalization really takes place. and by radicalization i mean a two-step process. one is joining this counterculture which right now is inspired by the utopia projected by al qaeda. and then the second step is a rejection of the counterculture and turning to violence because they feel that these protest counterculture which is still legal in the western liberal democracy is just not efficacious e

embraced the "theater of war" is sergeant major ronald green, with 26 years of service, including in somalia and iraq. he now sits on a department of defense task force on suicide prevention and said it was the story of "ajax" that hit him hardest. >> in the end when ajax committed suicide, when he went on and killed himself, i think over and over and over again for every suicide that we have, i try to relate to "what was the last moment in that marine's life? what were they thinking about? what made them feel hopeless? that's what we have to understand. >> reporter: for the actors, too, this is a new and sometimes transforming experience. bill camp, a broadway and film veteran and tamara tunie, of "law and order: svu" said it was they who were moved by the audience. >> you can see them, you can feel them, you can hear them. it's almost more exciting because i feel that anything could happen really. >> there is a dynamic in the room that is different when the room is full of veterans. >> reporter: you can feel it? >> there are those that actually come forward and listen and the room changes

to stopping places like yemen and somalia from becoming the next afghanistan, our report from bar braans charged with child trafficking in haiti are expected to get a hearing this morning. the haitian government says they were trying to ferry 33 children out of the government. >>> toyota denying any underlying electronic problems with the millions of cars recalled, claiming an investigation revealed no issues. the fix may arrive as early as today. toyota shipping a metal shim the size of a postage stamp that will fix the faulty acceleration problem. >>> secretary robert gates will unveil the machine before congress for the don't ask, don't tell policy. the first step on rolling back the halt of military outed by others. nearly 11,000 people have been discharged from military service for being gay. >>> defense secretary robert gates is set to ask for up to a year to study the best way to repeal don't ask, don't tell this comes on the heels of a key sentence in the president's state of the union address. >> this year, i had work with congress and our military to finally repeal the law t

is it on the same scale as pakistan or somalia or lower? >> the epicenter of terrorism in yemen is mainly focused on pakistan. the issue that al qaeda is organizized there. but we've had some success in disbursing them and reducing their effectiveness. if you have success in pakistan and afghanistan, it's inevitable that some people will organizize elsewhere. so i mean i have no doubt that when al qaeda left and saudi saudi arabia went to yemen and there are instructions there and certainly working under the the -- at guidance of al qaeda in pakistan. but it is nots on the same scale. and the issue in yemen must be that given the conflicts that exist in that country already, that we must make sure that the government of yemen is focused on the al qaeda threat. we can help them deal with some of the other problems that we have to deal with. some movements and difficulty that is we've got including holding the country together. we must make sure if the terrorist threat is allowed to grow basically in the fragile state on uncontrolled territor

so we have seen for example the somalia, another area that is poorly governed, has become a save covin, and al qaeda linked group that has in one way become very successful as a recruiter of westerners to come and and train and actually carry out terrorist attacks. we have seen a greater presence of al qaeda in yemen although this again has been a feature now for a couple of years. and even in democrat, north africa, we now have the phenomenon of al qaeda in maghreb which is the successor to some of the terrorist organizations in north africa and there's some evidence we have seen that they are forging links with drug traffickers coming from south america and providing safety and security for drug shipments that are being transmitted from south america through north africa ultimately to be sold in europe. this of course is an economic arrangement that is beneficial to the terrorists and much the same way the taliban in afghanistan benefited from the ability to make money off of the cultivation of opium in that part of the world. finally we have to look at the issue of homegrown terrori

so we have seen for example the somalia, another area that is poorly governed, has become a save covin al-shabaab, and al qaeda linked group that has in one way become very successful as a recruiter of westerners to come and and train and actually carry out terrorist attacks. we have seen a greater presence of al qaeda in yemen although this again has been a feature now for a couple of years. and even in democrat, north africa, we now have the phenomenon of al qaeda in maghreb which is the successor to some of the terrorist organizations in north africa and there's some evidence we have seen that they are forging links with drug traffickers coming from south america and providing safety and security for drug shipments that are being transmitted from south america through north africa ultimately to be sold in europe. this of course is an economic arrangement that is beneficial to the terrorists and much the same way the taliban in afghanistan finally we have to look at the issue of home grown terrorism. this topic has been much discussed, certainly for the last four or five years and it

united states until recently but certainly the recruitment of somali young people into the fight in somaliaand what we saw most recently with the fort hood shooting and the investigation suggests homegrown terrorism may now be a greater problem in the united states. that's not to say at this point in time we have anything like the dimension, groome terrorism you see for example in parts of western europe but it is to suggest that again keeping with this theme of dynamic change we can't simply assume because we haven't had the problem and a significantly in the past we are not going to have it in the future. this means we need to ask ourselves what is alarming al qaeda or groups to begin to recruit sue mollyann to go to somalia or a u.s. army medical doctor with medical training. what is it that enables them to convert this individual who comes after all from the elite of american society and turn him into a terrorist assassin? that will require us to think hard about not only what we do socially in order to try to integrate and assimilate all of the communities in the country it's going to

trying to innovate and adapt but use regional affiliates in particular from yemen and perhaps out of somalia and north africa to attack the united states directly. so i think the administration through intelligence officials and law enforcement official represented yesterday are trying to get ahead of the curve and be as sober as possible. >> is the idea the attack will be along the lines of a abdulmutallab sort of christmas day bomber and this kind of freelancing someone who went on their own for training and came back and not particularly networked in and not a very elaborate plan like 9/11? >> i think the challenge for the intelligence community and part of the worry that the intelligence specialists expressed, they're not sure. there is the opportunity and chance that al qaeda will be sending networked individuals, trained individuals in particular from the regional affiliates but there's also the potential of radicalized inspired lone wolves trying to attack using simple methods. that's what leon panetta was talking about yesterday. you have to try to adapt and defend against both. >> o

finally, the al qaeda central leadership of course could move to yemen or somalia. so i guess it is not in any more important than any other country than a potential shelter. the administration just made the argument that winning in afghanistan where the 9/11 attacks emanated from will embolden the islamic militants and harm u.s. prestige. i think these are similar to somebody argues that made film made during the vietnam war. vietnam went to the communist, you know. all these bad things would happen, which never really happened. now i think we can continue to use law enforcement intelligence airstrike in special forces to contain al qaeda and any of those potential sanctuaries. and including afghanistan and pakistan, if we have to. and i think containing, by containing the taliban, instead of just containing al qaeda, makes the problem worse because you have a foreign occupation. i think we need to pressure pakistan and get them to do what they can. now, if they don't do what we can do we need to keep al qaeda contained with the least footprint available. so doing

people in some other country, in this case afghanistan, in other cases iraq or pakistan or yemen or somaliae thed. some of you will remember that day, it was october of 2002. and the reason i remember the day is not because it was the day that paul wellstone the died, but it was because on that day we created the organization united for peace and justice which played such a leading role in the last years of the anti-war movement in this country. it was at the meeting creating that new organization that we got word of the death of paul wellstone. and that's what happens with memorials. that's what happens with legacies. legacies don't just happen, they are made. and movements don't just happen, they are made as well. and that's what it means to remember the legacy of howard zinn. it's to build a new kind of movement. we have a lot of work to do. we have a lot of wars to end, we have an economic crisis to resolve, we've got a lot of work to do, howard, and we're looking to you to help us. thank you. [cheers and applause] >> our next speaker, i am absolutely honored and thrilled to bring up he

they haven't established a comprehensive detainment program for guys they might want to pick up in somalia and elsewhere, the somewhere doesn't exist in their mind because they don't want to take anyone to gitmo or afghanistan. bill: liz cheney was making the similar point about 30 minutes ago. good to see you. >>> got a question about these topics, something you want answered in the news? hemmer.com, also twitter at bill hemmer, we call it because you asked. uma. uma: are you confused about where the trial will be held new developments on where khalid shaikh mohammed will face justice, the vice president leaving the door open for a military trial wide open and are we just going to end up right back at gitmo? we're going to talk about that next. >> plus he was shot in the line of duty and is alive to tell the tale. we'll tell you about a las vegas police officer and the thing he carried with him every day that ended up saving his life. stay with us. whwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhh bill: there is a 31-year-old las vegas police officer alive today and it might have been his badge that saved his life. th

14 people were charged in minnesota this year for recruiting from mali american youth to travel to somaliaalongside terrorist groups. in october, tarik mohammadi was arrested in boston and challenged with plotting to attack shopping malls and seeking out terrorist training. in september, omar hasan was arrested for planting a bomb in a dallas skyscraper. earlier in the year, daniel boy was identified as having traveled to terrorist training camps and plotting an attack on u.s. military police now at the quantico marine base. he was charged along with six others on charges that include spidering to provide material support to terrorists. so clearly, there have been both counterterrorism successes and a few failures. a threat to the homeland is high in the terrorist groups have identified ways of getting operators and facilitators into the country without raising suspicion. that may shift from terrorism to the topic at dni blair highlights in his written testimony, the threat to our government, public and private sector firm cyber espionage, crime and attack. director, your description of th

they're resettling refugees from the war-torn neighboring state of somalia, and they're trying to buildhealth system. one program in particular was provided by a nongovernmental organization called ombref in the cachina slum area of the capital of ada sabbaba. senator brown and i went to this area. it is a slum with 380 people living there that has basically had to carry in water for years because there was no running water. but because of an amref project, they were able to build 22 water kiosks in the country and one in this slum area. it seems like something so simple but it has changed their lives. they now have a source of safe drinking water very near the small, little lintus that they live in. they have two showers for 380 people that they share and can use, where they had none before, and they have basic sanitation and toilet facilities, which they didn't have at all. we were greeted by tw beautiful little girls who gave us flowers and invited us to a coffee ceremony, and they couldn't help but beam with pride as we took a look at this source of water and sanitation that just di

this was a meeting on somalia during the crisis that became the movie "black hawk down." alan greenspan. still one of the masters of the universe at this point, a little bit older than in earlier picture. this was in the oval office. you think everybody has been talking about you as you come through the door. [laughter] listening to the david's, obviously there is a lot of enjoyment and humor in this work. there is serious business and you do make it serious and historical. occasionally, i have a couple in here that are funny. this is an economic meeting. the president is always the center of attention which is one of the things that gets mixed in some of the ideas about the presidency -- missed in some of the ideas about -- about the presidency. someone once asked me about the show "the west wing," and they have all these peripheral stories. everything revolves around the president. this was up in the residence. the vote is on the tv screen. you can see the first chief of staff and how they are keying off the president's moves. this is the vice president pointing out tha

there are restrictions designed to stop terrorists in somalia from diverting aid, and they're actuallyheadlines on c- span radio. >> president obama this morning is expected to talk about the u.s. economy and jobs as he makes remarks on the one-year anniversary of the stimulus and -- stimulus legislation. at noon, the 2011 budget for the oceanic and atmospheric administration. that is live on c-span2. and this evening, and archived salute to the tuskegee airmen. that will be live here on c-span at 7:00 p.m. eastern. >> our companies, whether it is providers of videos or those who invest to create the content, are working overtime to get consumers all that they want on every platform or a device they own as quickly as possible. >> this weekend, head of the national cable and telecommunications association on what is next with the cable industry. >> "washington journal" continues. host: simon johnson is joining us this morning from the peterson institute here in washington d.c. mr. johnson, we asked our viewers earlier today to grade the stimulus one year later. what grade would you give

meanwhile, events changed in afghanistan, yemen, somalia, iran, all around the world things are changing do. we had post offices to name. but then on february 24, 2010, rules committee reported the second rule out which included the mcdermott language as part of a manager's amendment that was 31 total amendments combined into one. and that mcdermott language would create a new crime and penalties only for our intelligence professionals. if they did things like deny terrorists a proper amount of sleep or if they did something that would violate a terrorist religious beliefs however the terrorist chose to define those religious beliefs. there was no standard of reasonableness there at all. and so throughout the day yesterday, as most people were watching events at the white house, we argued against that provision and yet it was defended on the other side of the aisle throughout the day. some people said, oh, it just restraints current law. mr. mcdermott said my amendment would have expanded on the president's executive order to define what constitutes cruel, inhumane and degrading interrog

we have had increased terrorist threats emanating from yemen and somalia.laces around the world. and yet for some reason intelligence was not a high enough priority with the leadership of this house, at least, to bring this intelligence authorization bill to the floor. in addition to that, i would say that a number of issues have been much discussed in the press around the country that are very central to the efforts of those intelligence professionals to keep usú?n] s. for example, the president said he was going to close guantanamo bay within a year. it hasn't happened. what's going to happen with those prisoners now? what happens if an american somehow joins a terrorist organization overseas, what are his rights and what are our responsibilities when we get into that situation? should there be a complete record of the briefings that were made to congress about various anti-terrorism matters, or should those just be selectively leaked out as is happening now? another question, should we automatically give the miranda warning that says you have the right

why fight in afghanistan when al qaeda could organize as well in many other places -- in yemen or somalia -- and there have been such -- and there has been such a lack of success in efforts in afghanistan, it goes all the way back to alexander the great. there is no doubt we have to do whatever it takes to defeat al qaeda because they are out to annihilate us. but the question is, where? and where we faced reports that there were only about 100 al qaeda actually in afghanistan, we're really looking at a battle with the taliban. in our meetings with general mcchrystal and the other team officials, th*epl they emphasized -- they emphasized the point that we shouldn't retreat and that it would be a watershed event if the united states did not provide whatever military force was necessary in afghanistan. our delegation replied that the nato support was lacking, that we really ought to rethink exactly how we're going to deal with taliban. the efforts to persuade the taliban to come back and support the car -- the karzai government because there are many who could be brought back if inducements

a few years later we traveled to somalia, following george herbert walker bush, december of 1992, dispatch of u.s. troop there is in order to establish order and ensure the success of our humanitarian relief efforts. the bottom line in all these travels, of course, as so many of my colleagues can attest is that around this world, our service men and women, young women and men, know the true character, knew the true character of jack murtha. they knew the back bone of jack murtha. a veteran a dedicated public servant, an individual who was never too busy or never too velfish -- selfish to take time to regularly visit our military installations, our military hospitals to visit our brave, wounded service personnel. from chairman murtha's station atop our defense appropriations subcommittee, our soldiers knew they were secure in the knowledge that their sacrifices and their dedications were in the best hands in the united states congress. i'll miss you, jack, i will miss our true leader. i will miss his courage and his dedication. our courageous american troops will miss you, jack murtha. our

certainly all of the populated areas, the six major towns in somalia or the west bank with almost full authority. later on, we signed more agreements, which we also carried out, and there were talks about an agreement, a two-state solution, evacuation of settlements. is it time to go? i just guarded now. >> we have to leave time for questions and answers. this is a start. >> you heard it here. >> yes. i would also like to greet mr. tibi about other things. israel is trying to do a lot of things including the settlement of the declaration in gaza, including talking about sharing the land, including a settlement freeze. maybe it is not perfect as you like it but i always say, as you say in washington the enemy of the good is the perfect. let's settle for the good here and as we say now we are moving to discuss everything. i wish also that we would see the same kind of a preparation of the public in terms of acceptance of the other side possibility, legitimacy, rights to be here and they think this is the key. if we agree on that and if we agree that this is not a zero-sum game, then this

that terrorists will exploit this week this and smugglers such as what we have seen recently with somalia and now they can across with a budget simoleons and we can't find them? .. in terms of tactical fence, and spi net. my understanding is from his comments in this committee is you want to make sure i spend money as smartly and efficiently. sbinet in the contract of the concept entered into years ago has been plagued with troubles from day one. it has never met a deadline. it hasn't met its operational capacities and it doesn't give us what we need to have. we will complete the first phase of it but i don't think it would be responsible of me to come to this committee and say, based on the performance and the difficulties we have had setting up the first phase that we should do it all around the border. the monies in the budget for technology that our border related are things like mobile imaging technology and the like which are more facile and easily maintained, which are more operable by the border patrol agent. we look at reload get spi and we intend to do that but the technology do

with all the problems there are in africa, more people are concerned about zimbabwe, somalia, sudan andlks about the lords resistance army and what they've been doing in africa in that area for 25 years. now i've been there. i've been up there to northern uganda and let me kind of share the problem that exists up there. this madman, kind of a spiritual leader by the name of joseph connin, has taken advantage of all of the unrest and disasters by going into villages, kidnapping and -- taking young people that -- and training them to be soldiers. now we're talking billion little kids. little boys from 11 to 14 years old. once they trained them to be soldiers, they give them ak-47's. i don't have my chart, but i've got pictures of that. they train them to be soldiers and then they have to go back to their villages, murder their parents and their siblings. if they don't do that, they will dismember them. they will cut off their nose, theiree -- their ears, their lips. this has been going on for a while. i have gotten to know the president of uganda, the president of rwanda, president kabila

happened in iraq and what happened indeed in afghanistan today, and what happened in yemen today, somalia, many different countries around the region, there are very strong links between terrorist organizations and states that will support or sponsor them. and the reason why i think this is a particular danger today is because there are these days, it ran in particular, that are linked to this extreme and in my view misguided view about islam. so i think it is -- we still face the threat today in my view very powerfully. >> finally in 2002, did you feel this terror wmd link was also a potential threat to the united kingdom? >> yes, for the reasons i've given. i think these as that happened before, as the dumb freed from sanctions was ableéyéyéyéyéyéyéy when you get to the nuclear issue -- iran, north career -- it is put far ahead of iraq, so given what you are saying about the iran issue, i wonder why iraq was chosen president iran. -- chosen rather then iran. éyéyéyéyéyéyéyéyéyéyéyéyéyéyéyéy >> you start with the one in breach of resolution. we started back then, and as a result, countri

i think an even more egregious example is the convention on the rights of a child where now if somalia ratifies we will be the only country in the world that is not a party. a big part of the explanation is the supermajority rule. the united states has been slow to ratify human rights treaties. the genocide convention was first signed in 1949. we did not finally ratified until 1986. i think there are five different fronts. over time this does end up happening. i would submit my own position has not changed one bit. in the legal adviser's office i see colleagues of mine who share exactly my views. i think the question, this falls into the sound was describing. john and i are both lamenting. it is part of our constitutional process. you end up with a treaty that has to be advised and consented to by 67 senators. >> we are over time already. we can take to questions. can you stay for two more? than we have to respect the fact there are a lot of things to do. back there. yes. >> banks. i have a question. in 2008 the bush administration authorized the military commission trials for six 9/11

and there are settlers on the west bank have judean somalia who believe that they are there forever. if necessary, they would launch a war against other countries to protect that. everybody has nuclear weapons. i mean, i don't think -- maybe i'm being hysteric. maybe it is excitable andrew again. rightly so sometimes. i think things i kind of scary right now. i think the more we get closer to the truth about human beings the more terrified the reactions will be. it is the fact that people in fundamentalist societies are seeing, because they can't push away anymore through mass media, images of liberated women that is fermenting the greater repression of women, a regression in the middle east toward basically enslavement f women in the most hideous fashion. to greater degrees. there are very few countries out there that are not becoming more fundamentalist. this is a flight from reason. it is an anti-enlightenment. i believe in enlightenment because i think in the end god has to be compatible with truth. god is truth. so i don't fear science in that way, but i absolutely understand th