but i spent a huge portion of my time on the south china sea and i am greatly concerned about the p.r.c.'s use of tactics in the south china sea that are at odds with international law. for a long time, the p.r.c. has no claim to cling to. and since 1999. that we face the situation over the course of last year and from spring into early summer and escalation was extraordinarily high because the p.r.c. was willing to interdict phillipines supplies. they engaged in some diplomacy with the p.r.c. to stabilize that hot spot. and brings it to bear and we have seen it bring pressure vietnam and p.r.c. [indiscernible] in many ways and you know this well, i started my career running a program related to maritime transparency which is a superb program. p.r.c. capabilities are meeting p.r.c. interests when it is able to use coercion and have its way in the south china sea. and demonstrate that the p.r.c. can get its way. it's very difficult in going go about it's lawful operations. there is a lot we can continue to do not only to stand up for our allies of the phillipines but to support all of th

let's take the south china sea. look at the behavior of china, china coast guard, maritime militia as well as pla navy with this imaginary dash line. yes, the map has a history to it but the lines don't have any meaning in contemporary international law. >> they don't. >> and yet that's what they are trying to enforce on the philippines, on vietnam and other states, and so we can say, okay, it's just taiwan but it's not just taiwan. throughout their entire maritime region intruding on their neighbors and imposing their domestic view and their historical claims approach to international law and on japan as well. how do we negotiate with a country that's going to use sort of -- use historical claims rather than international law to discuss international law? >> that is a big challenge. i think europeans missed a bit of a chance and i've been arguing in my home country denmark as well, the fact that there was a ruling, arbitration ruling that basically legally came out and said that the chinese came to a void according

so let's just take the south china sea. look at the behavior of china, china coast guard, maritime militia, as well as the pla navy, with this imaginary dash line. i mean, yes, the map has a history to it, but the lines don't have any meaning in contemporary international law. and yet that's what they're trying to enforce on the philippines, on vietnam and other states. and so we can say, okay, it's just taiwan, but it's not just taiwan. they are, throughout their entire maritime region, intruding on their neighbors and imposing their domestic view and historical claims approach to international law. >> japan, as well. >> and on japan, as well. how do we negotiate with a country that's going to use their sort of -- use historical claims rather than international law to discuss international law? >> that is a big challenge. i think europeans there missed a bit of a chance, and i've been arguing that in denmark, as well. the fact that there was a ruling in 2016, an arbitration ruling initiated by the philippines that basically

trade front, i'm going to put pressure on you on the diplomatic front, and that's includes the south china sea, human rights issues, which china is often lambasted though, but when it comes to shame jane obviously accused over lots of cyber crime to, i mean there are other ways that china can get back at the us, but it's not off the hook in any way when it comes to these issues being raised either through trades all through politics. yeah. of course, china is going to reach out to you what we saw in 2020, when you know the, the incoming presumably incoming secretary of state, marco rubio, is a senator sponsored that we are forced labor protection at to very tough stances against china. when it came to hong kong and they sanctioned marco rubio, mario rubio, his thunder sanctions by the chinese government. and so they certainly have taken action in result of us action or counter action. and you're going to expect to see more of it is, is you just said you're going to have retaliation. i'm terrorist, of course, when it comes from china up to the us. and you may see export controls on chinese good

china, but i think even the philippines which is on the front line of the battle for china in the south china sea would not want a u.s.-china confrontation which would destabilize the region. and i think we see this in its actions in response to the united states and china in the south china sea so there have been various skirmishes and clashes, in the economic zone and the united states has actually offered operational support in the south china sea which the philippines has turned down. another thing that came to light earlier this week is that we hosted the indo-pacific commander at brookings and he clarified that of the four additional enhanced defense cooperation agreement sites that were offered to the united states last year, a sign of stronger relations between the u.s., to the security relations between the united states and philippines of those four, these four are currently still used by humanitarian operations rather than military operations, so, i think that the philippines has been quite careful in its approach towards the united states and china. in terms of opportunities, that's a

blows) >> smith: a key strategy for increasing china's might is expanding chinese control of the south china seat shipping lanes in the world. japan and korea completely depend on it. so, it's no small matter who controls this waterway. and china, in effect, is saying, "everything from the straits of malacca, up around taiwan, to the chinese coast is ours." >> these are waters through which one-third of the world's maritime trade flows. what china did to actually effect that claim was to commit a lot of ecological destruction, to build up these, these man-made islands. >> smith: the same year that xi became predent, china began building artificial islands on top of seven coral reefs in the south china sea. the manmade islands covered almost five square miles. >> and so they dredge coral reefs to build up islands, and then claim that these islands, you know, were just for research purposes, environmental research purposes. and then, of course, landing strips appeared, and then fortifications appeared, and then missile batteries appeared. >> (speaking mandarin): >> smith: xi has repeatedly pledged

commemorated 75 years of diplomatic relations and discuss global challenges, including gaza and the south china sea. as the world's second and third largest democracies, the united states and indonesia share a commitment to addressing evolving challenges and capitalizing on emerge opportunities -- emerging opportunities. the leaders also discussed sustainable approaches to food security, clean energy, democracy and pluralism, regional peace and stability and people to people ties as well as advancing our cooperation and humanitarian aid and disaster relief. and earlier today, president biden also welcomed president herzog of israel to the oval office. you heard from the president himself. his commitment to israel's security is ironclad and our two countries share a deep friendship. we will have a readout later today on their meeting and with that, you want to kick us off? reporter: thank you, yeah. i have two questions. will president biden meet with president xi? karine: i don't have anything to share with you at this time. we'll have more to share on the details of his visit to peru and also braz

condemns the people's republic of china's aggressive action against the philippine vessels in the south china sea. this provocation maneuvers threaten the peace and stability of the region and violates international law. we stand in full support of the philippine sovereignty over the territorial waters and call on china to respect the rights of all nations in the south china sea. i urge my colleagues to join me in supporting house resolution 837 and i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentlewoman is recognized. ms. manning: mr. speaker, i rise in strong support of h.res. 837, which reaffirms the vital partnership between the united states and the philippines. i want to thank delegate moylan and representative bobby scott for bringing forward this important and timely resolution. the relationship between our two democracies is more than just a longstanding alliance. it is a cornerstone for stability in the indo-pacific region. over the past year, beijing has persistently and illegally bullied the philippines in the south china sea. the chinese coa

essentially the united states and what we face with the rising threat of china, and taiwan, in the south china seathe wargames show we have run out of ammunition in a week or two in a fight with china. david: for the u.s. to keep up with changes on the battlefield, it will need more than just new equipment and new technology. it will need to reform the way it procures that equipment and technology, making it more streamlined than what the pentagon does today. amy: i think there is widespread agreement that the procurement process is desperately in need of modernization and revamping. the procurement process is good at something. it is not good at rapidly developing and fielding capability. david: those trying to do the innovating agree that the process badly needs reform. andy lowery is the ceo of epirus, a defense tech company based south of los angeles. he's working on a system to protect against drones like those used so effectively in ukraine. andy: aircraft, tanks, cars, vehicles, stadiums, refineries, borders. all of these things right now are falling prey to an infiltration of drones. not j

on this spray with president trump, the president said he would do the issue of the south china sea.as he specifically referring to a deal that indonesia signed a few days ago in beijing that could be read as a de facto validation of china's nine daiish line that -- dash line that marks its claims in the south china sea and how concerned is the administration about this? karine: we continue to encourage indonesia to make sure any agreement they make with the p.r.c. is according with international law, especially the u.n. convention on the law of the sea. i don't have anything beyond that. i read out at the top more broadly what they were hoping to accomplish, what they were going to talk about. you just mentioned indo-pacific and china sea. as it relates to this particular deal that was signed with indonesia and beijing, we are just going to continue to encourage that. that they really work with their legal experts. reporter: is that a statement that the administration believes that indonesia is not complying, that the agreement -- karine: i don't have anything beyond that. reporter:

the pivotal event is the conflict over disputed reese in south china sea. and now we have a standoff between the chinese coast guard and the filipino ne, they have been pushed by the us to, to the front of confrontation with china. but it hasn't been has a big improve and not very effective because the chinese coast guard to have bigger ships that have bigger water cannons. um, so this is where us things, okay, well maybe if we deploy us coast guard too. so i'll try to see that it's not a strictly military conflict, per se, because that's you're trying to avoid a hot direct cotton war. they're just trying to create change that has nothing to do is us. this is a, this is a bi lateral dispute with the china and the philippines when us. so send it or the nancy pelosi visited tie. one with china has done it was way for her to leave. and then they start military exercise all over tie one which they haven't done doing a lot very long time. and if us do choose to directly involved in the dispute, is i was trying to see you wouldn't expect china be a lot more forcef

commitment, which is ironclad, to defend the philippines, our ally from any chinese threats in the south china seas a huge question for u.s. allies in the region, japan, south korea and the philippines, as they counter china and chinese aggression in the south china sea. if we look back, trump did not build regional alliances during his first term. more than anything, he expected allies hosting u.s. troops to pay more for that security. it is unclear where he stands on taiwan. what xi jinping wants is to establish china as this alternative center of power. they are working hard here to portray america as an unreliable friend in the region. if trump's america first policies distance the u.s. further from allies like the philippines, china is going to stand to benefit a lot. >> janis mackey frayer, thank you so much. >>> joining us now is ben rhodes, the former deputy national security advisor in the obama administration. picking up that thread, ben, if donald trump were to carry out his campaign pledge on 60% tariffs on all chinese goods, which most economists have said is basically a tax on americ

there is a risk and a growing risk of a use of force by china, either in the south china sea or in the taiwan strait to we know front of the us intelligence community that senior tech has told his military that it must have the capabilities to type taiwan by force in 2027. trump does not want that to happen while he's in charge. he has said time and again, he's going to prevent scores from happening. and that was what happened under his watch he's. that's where he criticized joe biden. i think that resonated with the american public, so the us military will need to did tough. she, tim paying for making moves on taiwan or the philippines and help us has a problem. a really big problem. to explain that, let's take a look at a map on china is east coast. there's a little island just off shanghai. this is where you find that young man shipyard, which is a jewel use civilian and military sites. it recently launched, china is us to aircraft carriers. so what's the problem for the us? well, this single ship yeah. has more capacity than all of the ship yards in the united states. put together.

the good news is, it's worked this way pretty quickly on my date into the south china sea. it's expected to move, move towards high nan island, taking that width and when the weather close to 7 pots of china, by the mid week. elsewhere across the region was still sing some heavy rain for much of malaysia and indonesia, the west of that, affecting northern parts of borneo. and through night, by tuesday and big bus rain have affected the south east of australia. thanks to a cold front that's pulling across the southeast. that's expected to bring some relief to the bush fires burning in victoria, the cool things down. and you can see that range starting to move towards brisbin, stretching across queensland and into the top and on the northern parts of w a. down in the south, it is a story overheat. temperatures are expected to come down in pub and we could see some west. so whether here to stop the weak light rain on monday the . ringback the, the, [000:00:00;00] the missing out is there a mind default told stories this hour up to 15, palestinians have been killed, biased or a

fairly quickly so it will be off show and or friday be spending in the will more because of the south china sea sons are. so japan, korea, almost all of china. there is a finger of rain stretching out from me and across the united to the south west of china, which is the system that had to admit and then all cheryl's reforming and coming back into was this part of eastern china engine. you still have open water by this time i will be weakening policy and trust gone, but we have an ice circulation here, which means have you raising is lucky, young girl and beyond. and then with warnings in place for carla tunnel now to possibly start anchor as well. that's where the rain will be. of course, for the rest of india, which should be now settled, spelled for months on end system as you know for north indian fighting and a good part of northern packaged on a call to is a big issue. if he's portland, i haven't, i for the whole, it will stay almost hazardous and the climate has changed every year for millions of years, decades of talk, but little action. it's all about distract, create confusion to crea

don't least around the south china sea. how do you think a new trump administration will respond to china is increasingly assertive actions in the region. it says the relationship between the aging and washington is likely to be very fraud going forward. but um trump seems to be in favor of creating was he's less, he's more cautious of perhaps less fav favorable towards your actual hot conflicts . so in that sense, where from stands in terms of the so i try to see tie one that he's trying to see is a little bit up of yet he could get advisors would who push them to be a lot tougher. you could also have a case where he is asking and demonic ball from these partners and allies in the region in order for the us to do more. but i do want to sort of copy up all of that by saying badging today is slightly different from the badging of 2016. the very powerful they are very rich. however, they were using economic headwinds. so the options available to beijing maybe somewhat different than what we saw in the previous comp to north ko

largest economies is complicated and profit with difficulties from territorial disputes in the south china sea. the asians military expansion and in direct support for russia's war against ukraine to charges of chinese cyber espionage. and of course trade complex, joe biden and changing thing. don't agree on one thing and that isn't the world is entering a period of uncertainty and change. she calls it of turbulence. and with the next u. s. president modeling to impose high tariffs on many countries, but especially on china. she is positioning himself as a global leader of the inter independence and unity, as opposed to unilateralism and protection is a good morning. members of a peg represent nearly 60 percent of the world's g d p, and our uncertain about their relationship with trump. this time round about this, i'm hoping somebody, man, the young. we know that during his 1st administration, he despised multilateralism, preferred transaction and negotiations about the carriers in the state. let's see how different trump 2nd term will be in order to see if the 1000 china says it's ready to wo

we see that literally every month in the south china sea, as they encroach on new territories, they try atolls. and the trouble with this deal is, well, number one, it's totally unnecessary. and there is no basis in international law that we have to do this that stands up. but the worry is that it's a 99 year lease. sounds great. but we had a 50 year deal with china over hong kong — that unravelled. have you given legal advice to the trump team about this? i've given them some fairly extensive briefings on it and on the role of the international criminal court and on thejudgment, the advisoryjudgment that was made. yes, i have and i've been asked for that stuff, and of course i've provided it. right. i want to ask you, do you see your role as representing the interests of the incoming trump administration. i'd like to avoid world war three — that's quite a big consideration for me. but the question is, do you see your role as representing them ? no, my role is to represent people who voted for me here. my role, above all, my role is to protect british interests. yes, i've spent half my

china, but i think even the philippines which is on the front line of the battle for china in the south china sea would not want a u.s.-china confrontation which would destabilize the region. and i think we see this in its actions in response to the united states and china in the south china sea so there have been various skirmishes and clashes, in the economic zone and the united states has actually offered operational support in the south china sea which the philippines has turned down. another thing that came to light earlier this week is that we hosted the indo-pacific commander at brookings and he clarified that of the four additional enhanced defense cooperation agreement sites that were offered to the united states last year, a sign of stronger relations between the u.s., to the security relations between the united states and philippines of those four, these four are currently still used by humanitarian operations rather than military operations, so, i think that the philippines has been quite careful in its approach towards the united states and china. in terms of opportunities, that's a

going to criticize xi jinping specifically on human rights, on his expansionist policies in the south china sea and hong kong, his threats against taiwan. i want you to have a chance -- i'm saying this to the various people in china -- i want you to have a chance, and i will take the opportunity to respond and give your point of view. they all signed up. i had agreements, i had letters inviting me back. i came back to new york and applied formally for a journalist visa, and they sat on the request. and my passport and the application sat in the consulate in new york city for several months. i had several meetings with officials. they didn't say no, they just never responded. finally after several months, we had to pull the plug on that. i did find a few people that would speak on behalf of china, government advisors or others, unofficial spokespeople who did speak on camera, and i caught them here when they were visiting the u.s. but the restrictions on media in china are severe. international media is heavily restrictive. and so they never let me in. but we were determined that we would tell t

we've seen the south china sea and some of the activities there. we've seen the tension around taiwan that continues. what makes you nervous or what has your eye in the indo asia pacific right now? >> well, look, we're, we're in a uh geopolitical competition struggle uh with china. uh it's going to be multigenerational. this isn't near term like tomorrow, next day it's going to be over. um and there is the possibility, not the probability but the possibility of armed conflict between two great powers. united states and china. uh china has the natural resource, the people, the population, and most importantly, the money to challenge the united states on a global scale. if you look back when i was, i was commissioned in 1980 i did 44 years of service. during that 44 years, the russian military or the chinese military transitioned from a foot infantry, peasant based foot infantry army with no satellites, no navy, no significant air force, no missile force. then in 1979 deng xiaoping reformed their economy and you know that the chinese economy had a gr

. >> want to talk about china because what we've seen in the east china sea with china which is president for going back to the south sea years ago, you start with fishing boats. you move up to the maritime patrols et cetera before you know it gets territory is taken over by china. in this case it's somewhat different that involves a a yh treaty ally in the philippines. how is u.s. acting to prevent and we don't see the same outcome there that we see in the south china sea which is there able to develop these unsinkable aircraft characters as they say in the island? >> our approach to this challenge starts with one of the fundamental tenets of this administration's foreign policy, which is strengthening our alliance relationships in the indo-pacific, including relationships with the philippines. beyond that by the way really fundamentally including upgrading our partnership with all of the asean countries, with countries like vietnam who sort strategic orientation in the world is now contested by a range of other countries. i i think his increasing looking to the united states as an economic partner and baby ultimat

she also said that if the us cares about what happens in the south china sea, and of course that includes taiwan. but it should clear, but what happens with russia is the question and ukraine. so a pretty clear sponsoring call us bare which is to be expected, given her past history on this topic, less clarity on her position on the me, the least, she called for a cease fire. she called for the release of hostages, and she called for what she said was restraint from all parties. no, that is pretty much the bare minimum in terms of a messaging on it's a pretty, it's a gear shift from her previous ass or use that braille who was really seen as quite an outspoken critic of israeli actions in gaza. she seemed much more hesitant to explicitly offer any kind of criticism, and that change in tone will be welcome to some and really disappointing to others . no, of course, that's not the only topic on her list. she will be the european union space in the world. she talks about the big somebody with african leaders in 2025 on it, but increasing cooperation on climate change with the carrier be on wi

last time and office suite competing, showing the threats to tie one maritime disputes in the south china sea under rest . if north korea trump could to mind us partners pay more for their own defense as we'll talk, receives to closer together. and i think that's one thing to watch whether or not, and how trump gubbins drives us allies in age of 10 sales. where in the world to take more responsibility for the security which, you know, both might be a good thing in some sense. this book was as a potential, it's kind of escalate the arms race that we've seen and aids in the last few decades, largely driven by china, but not exclusively. trump is also likely to double down on economic competition with badging extractions to impose terrace of up to 60 percent on us imports from china. although many asian nations count the us is that she's security guarantor, aging is for many the biggest economic partners. but that's going to inject a lot of economic uncertainty for the region, particularly for a region like asia that is incredibly dependent on trade. and kind of this though, is workings of suppl

fighters it can call on as it attempts to control the region with tensions around taiwan and the south china sea

between these two countries to avoid miscalculation on issues like taiwan, the navigation of the south china seadoes not mean president biden does not have issues he wants to raise directly and one late with the chinese president, including alleged hacking that china engaged in of u.s. political and government officials, the continued support that china has provided, material support for russia in their war against ukraine. but this is all about trying to continue to make sure that this strategic competition, as they like to call it, remains on a level playing field. now, we look forward, of course, to the biggest questions china has coming into this meeting about what the u.s. trade policy will be. will donald trump follow through on his threat to impose steep tariffs on china? those are questions that president biden will not be able to answer. but china does potentially want to see this moment as an opportunity to reassert itself at a time when biden has entered so much of his foreign policy about countering chinese influence through alliances, through domestic policy like the chips and scien

stealth fighter options as it tries to dominate this part of the world, with tensions in the south china sea off today with drones, some of them civilian in nature, and some as you can see here pretty deadly in nature as well. missiles on the wing here, and these types of technology now clearly china wants to show off to the world what it can do 1536 00:21:14,668

so when we see china and the philippines nose to nose, warships, bow to bow in the south china sea overry concerning tension point. that could also increase the challenges ahead. >> yeah, and as you correctly point out, looking at those pictures early in the first trump years, president xi visited mar-a-lago, donald trump's grandchildren sang to them in -- to him in mandarin. so there were a lot of personal connections there. admiral, a lot to talk about next week, about who the new national security cabinet will be. we're working on that. and stay close. and that does it for today. follow the show on social media at mitchell reports and you could rewatch the best of our show nytime on youtube, just go to msnbc.com/anderson. chris jansing starts after a short break. chris jansing starts after a short break. just sinex, breathe, ahhhh! what is — wow! sinex. breathe. ahhhhhh! have you compared your medicare plan recently? with ehealth, you can compare medicare plans side by side for free. so we invited people to give ehealth a try and discover how easy it can be to find your medicare matc

the rugged jungle covered mountains, extended eastward all the way to the waters edge of the south china sea. and where they didn't extend to the water's of the south china sea, there were narrow coastal lowlands, such as the case in bombing, so long as they were heavily cultivated with rice paddy fields, potato fields, banana groves in and what you. okay, more detail now we see blocks we see blocks lying here and the northeast corner of belden province on the boundary with a core where the marines operated. now, there's two things of significance here. number one, west of banks along there were two major river valleys that fed into the black schilling area, the only valley in, the kimpson valley. both of these valleys were heavily cultivar aided, and both of these valleys had a numerous side or feeder valleys that were heavily forested and provided concealment from aerial observation. an area in ground observation, which made it very hard for the american troops to catch them moving into the blocks killing area and blocks on was one of the most heavily populated areas in south vietnam. and

this meeting comes at a time of building tensions over china's claims in the south china sea and over taiwan, as well as beijing's growing support for russia. cnn's kayla tausche is joining us now from lima, peru president biden expected to leave with president xi going to be twofold. >> when the two leaders of the most consequential great powers in the world meet in just about an hour and a half here in lima, peru, after the apec summit has concluded the message is going to first be one of cooperation and reflection on four years of attempting to manage this competitive relationship between these two countries and on that note of cooperation, they're going to talk about some of the action items where their interests overlap, like climate change, like curbing the trafficking of illicit fentanyl and having military level communication to avoid miscommunication in the indo-pacific, specifically in the south china sea and the taiwan strait. but there is also going to be a message of contention. president biden is expected to deliver stern warnings on china's involvement in supporting rus

how he approached the military footprint in the south china sea in the indo-pacific more broadly, is there a grand bargain that might be possible on trade? is he serious about these tariffs? so all of those are questions that beijing is asking of people who know trump and his team. well, they're seeking intermediaries to figure out if okay, is there another crop of perhaps business executives or family members that perhaps the chinese could deal with to circumvent the hard line china hawks that trump has appointed to his cabinet? of course, all of that is a work in progress. but for now, the chinese are focused on tying up their relationship with the biden administration. biden is too. and then the day after comes next, on january 21st. jessica. all right kayla. thank you. we also have david sanger with us. and as kayla is talking about that, david, you just you can't help but notice trump looms large in all of this. and to her point, the chinese very much want to know how serious is he about all of these promises it's a great question, jessica, because while you look at these images

it included, you know, recent ramped up aggressions in the south china sea and taiwan, chinese cyber attacks on the u.s., its support of russia and the ukraine war. do you see, colonel, any of these issues getting amplified or perhaps worsening under trump's second administration? >> i think it's certainly possible. amara. and one of the key issues here is the fact that there are several flashpoints that you mentioned. you know, the cyber attacks, like the typhoon attack against u.s. infrastructure starting out in the pacific. but then it broadened to both military and civilian infrastructure throughout the united states. you have the south china sea and taiwan, as you mentioned plus the fact that china is really going into a lot of the areas of the world that were previously dominated by the u.s. and latin america is a case in point. in this case, you have a port just north of lima called chunchi, which has a large chinese development effort going on right now. and what they're doing is they're building the largest container port in south america, right there in peru. that will bene