general spalding begins his wonderful book with a story. he puts in that book he wants to write a paper andhe's fresh out of the air force . the grant is turned down. he tells the story in the first few pages. think tank residences ra, we can't fund yourprojects . general spalding looks at the list of members of the board. correct me if i'm wrong. billionaires, various people who mademoney from china . this is an enormous problem. where in some sense influenced deeply about capital or china, how are we going to undothat ? it's going to take legislation which leads to my second point about what we do next and where china's growth came from. technology, restricting us capital and investment in china takes legislation. i counted more than 80 examples hill, 80 current examples of bills introduced by congressman or senators. to impose costs on china. including being able to sue china daily for damages for the china virus. generally speaking all of this legislation attracts four or six cosponsors area i was a senate staffer for 10 years. i know h

ravage and commissioner spalding. i'll join in congratulating you, mike, on the birth of your wonderful daughter. this is an important time in life and yet you are stopping that new family moment and joining with us. each of us, each of us is aware of the hostile cyber world. you mentioned that, dr. ravage. i think that the discussion, senator king, that you just talked about is important as well. but mike gallagher said something that is important to this conversation. our greatest failure will be in human failures. senator king, you mentioned that, how easy it is for someone to open an e-mail and allow that integration into someone's personal cyber world to be shared and ultimately potentially destroyed. five years, the demark protocol has been established and it is deployed very, very sporadically, but it has increased. what i'm going to ask both you, commissioner ravage and commissioner spalding, to address is what barriers exist to that old deployment of demark so that potential integration can occur and potentia

in joining me now is retired general robert spalding, former senior director at the nsc.ou have the unique perspective of having worked in both of these administrations. you have seen it, which vision is best for america right now? >> if you look at who biden has lined up to bring into his administration, you're essentially going to get a repeat of the obama administration. the challenge with that, biden talks about influence -- what you'rere going to see is a strengthening of chinese influence over our economy which is it bad for our political process. he is right, we have a problem and the only one doing anything about that is president trump. when you think about the taxes that steve forbes talked about, when you talk about the banning of fracking and talk about canceling tariffs on the chinese, what you are doing is you are inviting more infiltration into our society, that's what we tried to stop in the trump administration and it took three years to get all the officials out who really wanted to continue that process. what you're talking about is going back to where

we come from different parties, appointed on different sides and outside experts, commissioner spalding and it would have been impossible to confirm party affiliations if you listened to one of the debates we had as we met as a commission. what came out of the process was truly nonpartisan support that tends to put the country at any parochial or political interest. this really has been an issue that every presidential administration for the past 25 years, democrats and republicans has tried to figure out. how do we cyber space. our efforts are vulnerable, if not already compromised. our country lost hundreds of millions in state's intellectual property theft. major cyber attack on the nation's critical infrastructure. our economic system would create chaos and damage. in an effort to for stall future, examined a broad range of policies that can more effectively defend our nation in cyber space. i should admit our public relations plan when we released march 11th, 2020, did not factor in a global pandemic taking over the conversation. that's all the more reason it's important to have he

. >> former national security council for strategic planning, retired brigadier general robert spaldingretired marine market guist, member of the nx security team in benghazi. gentlemen, thank you for your service, and welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us. >> former security adviser not a fan of president trump says he didn't hear the comments in the atlantic article he says it was john kelly's recommendation that the president not to go to that military cemetery in france. here is more from bolton. >> john kelly was reluctant to make the recommendation because as a marine, he thought it was important to go out and visit the cemetery of one of the marine corps' iconic battles, but when he laid the logistical problems out for the president, the president accepted it. >> it feels like there are some of the military who don't like this president, and they're willing to go after him. what you make of it? >> when i saw the tweet about the article, it was completely ridiculous on its face. i believed it to be in information off, i said so, i stand by that. i don't believe it's tr

spalding, let me turn to you first.in developing your recommendations for the national cyber director, did the committee structure the office with this persistent problem in mind and can you provide any -- any specifics as to how the director would address this issue? >> absolutely, we did. the situation that you described really as addressed by a number of recommendations in the report. the private sector and government both have a critical role togovernment both have a cl role to play in stopping this theft of international -- intellectual property and it requires a true collaboration. we are the ones in government could have the national technique and the exquisite intelligence capabilities to collect information about what nation states like china are engaged in and the kind of techniques that they are using. researchivate sector community. the private sector businesses that are developing this intellectual property are in the best position to defend their networks armed with information from the governments. we hav

. >> former national security council for strategic planning, retired brigadier general robert spaldingist, member of the nx security team in benghazi. gentlemen, thank you for your service, and welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us. >> former security adviser not a fan of president trump says he didn't hear the comments in the atlantic article he says it was john kelly's recommendation that the president not to go to that military cemetery in france. here is more from bolton. >> john kelly was reluctant to make the recommendation because as a marine, he thought it was important to go out and visit the cemetery of one of the marine corps' iconic battles, but when he laid the logistical problems out for the president, the president accepted it. >> it feels like there are some of the military who don't like this president, and they're willing to go after him. what you make of it? >> when i saw the tweet about the article, it was completely ridiculous on its face. i believed it to be in information off, i said so, i stand by that. i don't believe it's true. of course general ke

mike: senior director for strategic planning, retired brigadier general robert spalding and retired marineecurity team and benghazi, thank you for your service and welcome. >> thank you for having us. >> john bolton not a fan of donald trump says he didn't hear the comments in the atlantic article, he said it was john juliet's recommendation that the president not go to the military cemetery in france. is more from bolton. >> john kelly was reluctant to make the recommendation because as a marine he thought was important to go out and visit the cemetery, one of the marine corps's iconic battles but when he laid the logistical problems out, the president accepted it. >> feels like there are some in the military who don't like this president and are willing to go after him. what do you make of it? >> when i saw the tweet about the article it was completely ridiculous. i believed it to be information, i stand by that. i don't believe it is true. general keith kellogg who was in the white house at the time his integrity is impeccable said it is completely false. i believe it to be false. it is

they broke windows at spalding university and there was some graffiti spay painted on the buildings.arrests, most were because of curfew violations. there is a 9:00 p.m. curfew in effect. vice news obtained hours of louisville metropolitan police body camera footage showing police officers inside breonna taylor's apartment in the aftermath of the shooting that left breonna taylor killed. in one clip it appears to show now former lmpd detective brett hankison inside taylor's apartment which was an active crime scene and a this is against louisville police department policy. he asks one officer if they found a long gun and whether the bullet casings on the floor in the apartment were theirs. s.w.a.t. team members asked him to leave. the piu is tasked with investigating officer-involved shootings. remember, hankison was fired for shooting his weapon 10 times, some of those bullets going into an apartment nearby. now, he was charged with wanton endangerment. according to louisville police policy, officers involved in a shooting are to immediately be separated and paired with an escort of

spalding but i argue if you look at the recent level of arrests by the fbi for chinese espionage the high level of tasking's is to steal credentials to get aroundat firewalls the nature of espionage is changing dramatically they don't want you to steal the secrets they want you to steal the guy next to you credentials to get into thein network to be passed back for sophisticated penetration. >> it makes it hard to put your arms around. >> one last question is there a concern that if we as a country are unsuccessful to provide protection we can see companies move ipe to foreign countries that do provide protection? >> yes. there are benefits with an american company whether labor or tax laws but it's unlikely to see a flood of intellectual property. that t being said we have moved to the innovation and economy. so even as he think every harming american technology we have to protect what makes us so great as a country to modify ourselves over time. >> i yelled back on - - i yield back. representative i you with us? >> yes. thank you madam chair. thank you for your extraordinary work t

continuing the great lessons i learned from suzanne spalding and you. most proud of was the establishment of the national critical functions. to a systemted oriented approach. about what needs to be protected. i think that was illuminating. i know they are continuing to do that. anrspective, thinking adversary perspective. the actual or perceived degradation of those functions. there are a lot of ways you could turn it. ,orking with the private sector understanding these are the kinds of key systems that underpin what we cherish. not just in the u.s. but partners as well. how can an adversary use -- where they would use all their tools in their toolbox to impact again either the perception or actual degradation or function of those. i am going to ask you, what recommendations would you have for incoming leadership how the department can enhance its collaboration to improve response and overall resilience to some of these threats? >> i think it is more of an evolution. has been set. what needs to be built is more plans.y to build those how we protect tha

. >> as suzanne spalding said those systems to defend themselves that are the most critical. commissionf the and the interpretation of the sec one - - fcc and look at the cyberrisk to be managed associated with their business. to get that back in place you will increase the level of attention and each enterprise to defend themselves from the amount of noise and economic loss will go way down. >> thank you for your testimony and the pearl harbor. and then to have every company in this country to have private armies to safeguard ourselves at the national response. i will be supporting the legislation to help put it together. >> representatives are beans on - - soybean. >> can you hear me? i just thank you to the congressman not only for yourng testimony with this proposal which i support very strongly welcome back to chairman rogers and the rest of the panel for the testimony. obviously wine key responsibility of the national cyberdirector is implementing a national cyberstrategy. in 2018 it trump administration released a national cyberstrategy to integrate cyberinto all eleme

miss spalding, do you believe such an effort would advance and give us a competitive edge globally? >> i couldn't agree more. the commission has a series of recommendations on building that cyber warhorse including diversity. .. and from a very basic perspective from my time at dhs, we have an urgent need to build the number of cyber talent and people that we have available to come into the workforce. we cannot afford to leave any part of our population on the sidelines of this effort. >> i agree with you and we c >> i agree and we can and must do more inus this regard. i truly want to thank all of my colleagues for their participation, particularly the congressman for the leadership at all of our witnesses for your passion and your knowledge and all the information you gave us today. the creation of a national cyber director is not something any of us take lightly after what we heard here today i think it's clear this is something we cannot afford to delay. i also want to thank all of my colleagues across the aisle particularly for the questions and engagement. it's not everyday we

there were also broken windows at spalding university and near academy.ngs throughout downtown. this as well, there was this video that i know we've shown this morning a confrontation last night between black lives matter protesters and a business owner here in louisville who was armed protecting his business. in the days ago, this man's, one of this man's businesses was firebombed. he was out there protecting his business when he was grilled by these protesters. take a listen at this confrontation. >> does black lives matter? >> i'm sorry? >> does black lives matter? >> cannot get real -- >> does bree on that taylor matter? >> [inaudible]. >> how many people -- >> don't have issue because i don't see color. >> okay. >> i don't care white or black. reporter: that was sim saying i don't care about white or black. in yorba linda, california, a white vehicle plowing its way through 200 pro-trump protesters, out there counterpretesting a black lives matter protest happening. this was the second time in three days there was a cargoing through, you know, drivin

miss spalding, dan you elaborate how disinformation impabtsz our cyber security, public health or other areas of national security even to the point of life and death? >> absolutely, congresswoman. thank you for that really important question that we have seen our adversaries take advantage of this situation in putting out disinformation around covid that confuses the public. it may not be that they are able to convince the public necessarily of the narrative that they are pushing, but they create confusion, which is deadly enough. if the public gives up as i say on their ability to figure out what is fact, when at a time when giving the american public facts about what they should be doing to protect themselves, their families, their communities, and our nation, that is extremely destructive. when we see the covid coming together with our elections, as election officials are making decisions about how to adjust whether to adjust elections in light of the pandemic, and then those are winding up in courts and we've seen disinformation around all three of those -- covid, elections, and th