leveraging this blanche platform -- the splunk platform we are , open to investing outside of the splunkstem. the other is a more social fund. the transformation from an industrial economy to the more services and data driven economy. it can be dislocating. there are a lot of great organizations helping with everything from reskilling populations all the way through to different beneficial programs in areas like human trafficking that would not necessarily be commercial entities but doing aszing good using data again a back bone. taylor: analysts are bullish on the stock. they are really bullish on the future growth opportunities. where do you see that growth? >> we classically focused on technical departments within organizations because they are fully digital already which means they have overwhelming amounts of data at their disposal and they need to craft a signal versus a noise phone, where president obama's comments came from. the genius of that data is it can also be used for manufacturing optimization, supply chain optimization. but our current focus on the technical buyers is so

platform, the splunk keeping it open to people who play outside of the splunk ecosystem, and the others more of a social fund. it is more of a data and service driven economy, and there is a lot of great organizations out there that are trying to help with everything from rescaling of populations all the way through to different beneficial programs in areas like human trafficking or areas that would not be commercial entities. thingally do an amazing of good by using data as a backbone. taylor: analysts are bullish. the last time we checked, they are really bullish on future growth opportunities, where do you see the future growth? doug: we have classically focused on the technical departments within organizations. they are fully digital already, which means they have overwhelming amounts of data that they need to craft a signal versus the noise from. which is where president obama's comments came from. the genius of that data is that it can also be used for manufacturing optimization, supply chain optimization, but our focus for the technical buyers is still early in the journey that

splunk do you assume -- do you assume splunk makes acquisitions or do you get bought out?annot control who we focus on. we are actively always looking at additional technologies that could add to our full been helping our customers. i would anticipate more for the future. we had to relatively big ones. we see so much opportunity. we are at the beginning and end they can turn data into doing and not be overwhelmed by it. taylor: within the cloud space how you compete with the big guys. like amazon and oracle who not only have a cloud about their own data analytics company? >> right now we are adding value to different data services those vendors provide. we are enhancing and enriched -- enhancing and enriching. the reality that any of us live in when you are participating microsoft, and amazon is you have to add value. that is going back to acquisitions and maximum investment in r&d. they come out with really compelling services and we find ways to add more effective values to those services and also draw from the multi-cloud horizon and operate data centers and then taking

splunk is getting a lot of attention, both from the tech world and politics. and as it grows, it's doing here at santana row, known for dining, shopping, and now technology. it's not a typical scene for a tech company, but santana row has been a good fit for splunk. doug merritt is the ceo of the company that stores and collects data. and although it's headquartered in san francisco, it's going to build more here, with one building already full, this giant structure opens in march. >> the environment on san ttana row is awesome. the restaurants, the shops, the walking, the nature, it feels very main city like even though it's not in a city. >> reporter: splunk is on a roll, with a number of employees growing along with its stock price, it just announced a $150 million innovation and social fund to support smaller companies in the space. >> while amazon and google and microsoft and other wonderful companies continue to get larger, the world needs alternatives. >> reporter: merritt also recently hosted president obama when he came through the bay area. >> that l

we felt it was critical for customers to get value from splunk.ng, we think it is a tailwind. we think it provides a lot more leniency for what they can do with the software, and there is so much data that with an easier pricing metric, they are able to put a lot more data in and get a lot more value back out. anticipate it will be a tailwind, but honestly, we would have done it even if it was a headwind because it is so important to customers to manage that data and turn it into effective actions. taylor: that was doug merritt, ceo of splunk. thank you for joining me. still ahead more from the d.c. , world. managingear from vc partners on their big fund and big ideas. that's next. this is bloomberg. ♪ taylor: we are sticking with the vc landscape, but this time we are looking at the kind of tech requiring lengthy r&d as well as high-tech engineering. in this arena, d.c. vc just closed a fund looking to finance -- back early stage startups. this is now the eighth fund. here to talk more about it and the land of deep tech, its managing partner. tha

this is a private event hosted by splunk, a silicon valley based analytic company. this is from 20, 25 minutes ago when president obama arrived. there were 40 people awaiting his arrival and loud cheers when he stepped out, you could hear it. he gave everyone a quick hello and didn't answer any reporter questions and walked in. it is not clear what he is speaking about once inside and splunk will not disclose how much he's being paid to appear but we do know it is an hour-long q&a on stage with the splunk ceo. president obama was in the news on monday when president trump suggesting in a tweet that the former president and his wife michelle be investigated for the multimillion-dollar deals with book publishers and netflix and president trump suggested this investigation after new questions about his own business dealings and whether or not he is profiting from the presidency. i did throw that question out to president obama and he did not answer. our own ali wolf is in side of august hall and listening to the president speak. president obama. anhe'll have a full rep

splunk has not said what they are paying him to be here. reporting live in san francisco, amy hollyfield, abc 7 news. >>> today democratic presidential candidate beto o'rourke will be in the bay area. he is planning to tour san quentin and record a podcast hosted by inmates. he held a campaign rally in l.a. yesterday and then toured a women's shelter. >>> the epa is expected to revoke california's authority to set its own auto mileage standards and emissions. california reached a deal with four automakers in july to reduce emissions by 3.7% every year starting with the 2022 model year. the trump administration says only the federal government has the power to regulate green house gas emissions and fuel economy. governor newsom says the state will fight that rollback. >>> this morning president trump is having breakfast in l.a. before heading to san diego for another raiser. yesterday he begb began his trip with a silicon valley fund-raiser hosted by scott mcnealy and his wife. about 500 guests each paying between $1,000 and $100,000 a ticke

taylor: that was doug merritt. , ceo of splunk.'s rival data dog also joined bloomberg tv this week. the new york-based enterprise software company went public on thursday. ed caught up with the ceo at the nasdaq. >> you have to solve the real problem for real customers. that's what we do. the way that we settled this and focus on this. once they run their infrastructures and applications. ed: how do you grow in terms of market share because you have a lot of competitors. it is a very crowded space and cloud. how do you compete with the world? olivier: it is a very big market. there is room for many companies to be successful. really, the way we compete is that we focus on cloud and companies moving from public to private clouds. we build on that from day one. we focus on getting to the maximum level of reach that is being used by many engineers. that is what makes us different. ed: what is the point of differentiation? olivier: we are trying to make data more accessible. we started between teams that did not see eye to eye or look

splunk ceo to talk about it. >> it is really a classic fund.per passionate about data and the power that data can bring to solve some of the world's problems, and those funds are perfectly constructed to help invest in companies that have more of a commercial purpose using data to solve different issues around the world from health-care to consumer issues to privacy issues. leveraging the platform, but we are even open to investing outside the splunk ecosystem. the other is a social fund, the transformation to a data driven economy can be disconcerting there's lots of organizations trying to help with everything illing populations all the way through to beneficial programs that help in areas like human trafficking that would not be commercial programs but do amazing societal good. taylor: analysts are pretty bullish on the stock. they are really bullish on the future growth opportunities. where do you see that future growth? focusedve classically on technical departments within our organization because they are fully digital already which means

the private event was hosted by big data tech company splunk. we were not allowed to record vid video of the former president. topics ranged from team building and decision making to parenting. >> he has the same energy, talk about foreign political issues. love hearing that. >> reporter: the former president says he thinks the three biggest issues right now are climate change, income and wealth inequality and the rise of division in society. while talking about thender in chief made a subtle reference when he said not watching tv or reading social media, these are two things i would advise a president not to do. it creates a lot of noise and clouds your judgment. obama went on to explain how tech and data could be used for good when addressing problems with health care and traffic. the support for the 44th president spilled outside. >> he brought people together and just had a lot of class. >> reporter: crowds lining the sidewalk got a wave from obama before he off. >> iovyou, barack! >> reporter: and we asked splunk how much they paid obama to

or not for splunk. to make the co hosting a dialogue with former president barack obama, no recordings were permitted but the former president said using tech to cringe big data sets helped him win in 2008, and he said newt data analytics could be the solution to problems ranging from the high cost of care to climate change, even traffic. "the question is, er ways in which we can make better decisions, do things more efficiently, provides services more weakly, improve customer service, if we have the ability to process all that data." the former president possibly making an oblique reference to the current president, saying a good leader cannot get distracted by data that is not critical to decision-making. the other thing that is helpful is not watching tv or reading social media, those are two things i would advise as president, not to do. conference attendees editing the president was the highlight, but it was his message to this crowd of being able to distinguish between the signal verses of the noi

all of our cloud kings are cheaper, salesforce, adobe, vm, ware, splunk and servicenow. if you got on -- got in on this cloud flare ipo and made a nice profit, take it. good for you i hope these guys can deliver spectacular numbers going forward that justify the stock's stratospheric valuation, yes, parabola but based on inconsistent results it's too risky for me especially in a market that no longer worships at the altar of the cloud. let's go to jackie in new york jackie >> caller: hey, jim. thank you for your recommendation of verizon and twilio they made me over 10% if that's nice thank you. >> caller: well, listen, the question tonight is i got in on ipo day at 38 and the stock has been trading down with earnings coming out tomorrow on chewy should i cut my loss or wait for earnings to -- >> we think chewy is a great concept so you don't want to trade in and out and flit when it comes to chewy. do i know if this quarter is good or bad? i have no idea but i do like the concept very much. let's go to jerry in illinois. jerry. >> caller: hey, jim, boo-yah >> boo-yah, j

oh, and sales force dotcom was willing to buy it, splunk could make a big sale. splunk is for real and this stock market is acting like it's fake shopify and chipotle they help small and medium sized businesses they shelled out $450 million for six river. it's a fulfillment expert that can give them the delivery that rivals amazon's. who knows when it will find a bottom maybe that happened today. stock was up ten bucks as for chipotle, when you are the number one performer in the s&p 500 and you hit a wall other than no reason than rotation, it scares people who go on to full. it gets hit on starting up breakfast. wendy's. so-called c. the same story that caused starbucks not to get slammed not only is there nothing wrong with chipotle. thanks to new menu items and very effective advertising the best of the best is down almost 10% and stashing a wide receiver over a buy week i know it can still go lower but chipotle is one of those and it goes down just like the rest of the waiver wire gems stick with cramer. >>> when we have a rotation, when money managers swap

i run public sector at splunk.we are a t-shirt company that also makes really great software and we'd love to talk to you about that. if we could just start and go down the -- maybe for a minute the size and scope of your agency's security environment and some of the top challenges you are dealing with today in cybersecurity. identify the chief information security officer for the department of we have about 160,000 users, 250,000 end points, different types of networks that we have to protect. a lot of permissions. we do law-enforcement, we do the negation incarceration, the whole lifecycle of criminal justice is really what the department of justice does. -- try to catch up and tell everybody know. we are helping them complete the mission and be successful. >> thankful shane? shane: we are a component of homeland security. we are responsible for the administration of the immigration systems which is the administration of the benefits, citizenship, work permits and we componentsh other within the agency on immigra

the event will include splunk investors, customers and partners. president obama will talk about what he did to create a more equal american society. the location is not released, we're told it's? somewhere downtown san francisco. >>> at this hour, israel's election which is being closely watched around the world still just two to close to call. current prime minister benjamin netanyahu's political future is still in doubt. leader but his opponent, benny gantz believes he will lead the country. yettia hue promised votersd make more palestinian land part of israel. the final results could take days. >> 6:05 this morning. >>> developing for you, the 49ers are out at levi's stadium not on game day but on concerts, festivals and any other non-football event. kris sanchez is live for us in santa clara with what happened and what's next. kris? >> reporter: it was a long night, santa clara city council surprised for some folks but at 11:00 this morning, we expect to hear more details why the city's stadium authority decided to bench the niners when it com

. >> he is scheduled to be the speaker for a tech company, splunk, based in san francisco. in friendly territory here in the bay area. so friendly there's about to be a street named after him. late last night the milpitas city council voted in favor of renaming a street in honor of barack obama. they voted 3-2 to change dixon landing road to barack obama boulevard. the first obama boulevard in silicon valley. >> milpitas had diversity like nobody else in the country did. we want to highlight that by making the entrance of that gateway into silicon valley obama boulevard. >> some nice news to greet the former president as he arrives. the conference he is speaking at today is the beginning of everything. it's focusing on innovations and big data. the company has said that it will give him a warm welcome here, and we have not heard of any otestslanned here for the president. this is quite a contrast to the welcome president trump received here yesterday. reporting live in san francisco, amy hollyfield, abc 7 news. >>> today democratic presidential candidate beto o'rourke will

he is scheduled to be the featured speaker put on by splunk in san francisco. he's in friendly territory here in the bay area. check out what happened just late last night in milpitas. the city council there voted in favor of renaming a street in honor of barack obama. they voted 3-2 to change dixon landing road to barack obama boulevard. the first obama boulevard in silicon valley. >> milpitas had diversity like nobody else in the country did. we want to highlight that by making the entrance of that gateway into silicon valley obama boulevard. >> very nice news to greet the former president. the conference he is speaking at today is the beginning of everything. that's what they have called it. it's focusing on innovations in big data. the company has not said what it is paying obama, but it should be a warm welcome in a region where there are now plans to name a not h protests planned for thet,uite acontrast morning. >> good morning. we'll get an update of weather and traffic. here is mike. >> way up to the north bay, cloverdale, hopland, kelseyville, that's w

he'll be the key note speaker at a small invitation only event sponseerred by splunk.l scheduled to talk about leadership and what he did to create a more equal american society. all we're being told is somewhere in downtown san francisco. >> live look outside emory vill. nice look today, tonight and tomorrow a different story. rain headed our way again. and what are we talking about? >> reporter: we're still holding on to chances of wet weather. you can see the storm system just thuf north and a closer view of the bay area and we're still dry. but once we get in the morning commute around 8:30 in the morning, you can see the spotty areas possible from the north bay to the east bay. here's what we know right now on the storm system. a slight thunderstorm risk from 7:00 a.m. until 2:00 p.m. winds will pick up 10 to 20 miles per hour. more details on the totals, how much we could get out of it and the next change in about 15 minutes. >>> tonight a major blow in the fight between santa clara and the 49ers. the city counsel voted to end the agreement that aloas the 49ers t

and we did ask splunk how much they paid former president obama to speak at their event today.were not going give a number, but that he was not their most expensive option. meantime, michelle obama is going to be in san francisco next wednesday speaking at a different tech conference. from san francisco, ali wolf, nbc bay area news. >> ali, thank you. >>> speaking of president obama, how about this? a south bay city did vote to rename a street in his honor. covering the story for the last few day, and it happened late, late last night. in fact, it was past midnight. the milpitas city council voted 3-2 to change dixon landing road to barack obama boulevard. that's the road that leads into the sunny hills community. one of the first integrated neighborhoods in america. the mayor of milpitas was one of the two opposed the new name. he's concerned it will be an embarrassment because a section of the road runs in an area known for its famed stench. it's near the newby island landfill, the largest in the area. >>> a missile attack on a saudi oil facility. the president will announce

mine's so small, we need somebody that's at an advanced level, and we need tools like splunk so that we don't need as many humans. the technology helps us to fight the bad guys, and so it's really important to stay on top of what's modern, use those tools, train the work force, and the way i look at it is if we're in the government and one of the agencies trained somebody and they get a promotion to go to another agency, then that's better for the government as a whole. if we train them and they go into industry, it's still better for our country, so we shouldn't not train somebody because we're afraid that we're going to lose them, but fwigiving them that training might actually keep them happy and retain them more. >> that's great perspective. >> and i'll add that essentially from a larger organization's perspective, we have a lot of the same challenges in terms of cyber security talent. my organization is the functional community manager lead for the signcyber work for. we're in charge of figuring out what are the standards and also of standing up the cyber accepted service, which

the host is splunk. they will discuss responsible practices in data management. >>> we are looking at live pictures of tropical depression imelda. flash flood warnings are in effect for parts of southeastern texas. they have gotten five to ten inches of rain in the last day. imelda is moving slowly north. the main threat is all of the rain, which could lead to dangerous flooding. warnings are up along the coast of galveston already and the team is preparing for possible rescues. >>> cars and trucks were still driving on roads completely covered in water. >>> greta thunberg takes the climate bill to capitol hill. >>> some of those glowing product reviews on amazon may be misleading. consumer reports warning for online shoppers. the juul record. they took $12.8 billion from big tobacco. juul marketed mango, mint, and menthol flavors, addicting kids to nicotine. five million kids now using e-cigarettes. the fda said juul ignored the law with misleading health claims. now juul is pushing prop c, to overturn

sf gates reports the ex-president will be speaking at a small event hosted by the test company splunk. it will focus on how big tech companies can responsibly collect and manage data across the internet. >>> governor newsom is blasting president trump over what newsom calls a political vendetta. several newspapers including "the new york times" and "washington post" report that tomorrow the epa will revoke aspects of a clean air act waiver that california has used for years to set its own emissions standards. newsom is taking aim at the president ahead of that announcement. he issued a statement reading, quote, we will fight this latest attempt and defend our clean car standards. california, global markets, and mother nature will prevail. >>> two bay area counties declared climate emergencies. saneo and sonoma addressed climate change. pointed out in its declaration rising sea levels could rise by six feet or more and causets nee is to consider what possible actions to take. that is supposed to happen in the beginning of next year. >>> a woman attacked as she tried to get into her apa

two upgrades, one at splunk, jpm, one is snap out of -- >> let me tell you, the splunk, that -- i hadrigold on that company is great. it didn't have the best quarter. i think the whole quarter could be explained by accounting doug is terrific people should buy splunk one of my cloud kings. i can see through that whole quarter and see what they were doing in terms of subscription their business, which is obviously how to -- security and be able to cure rate things, see what is going on, dive through the data, they're good at it when you use mlb.com, it tells you it is working, they do a lot of sites -- checking of sites to be sure they work. >> what about okta. >> okta hit pretty hard here. >> that's the whole momentum shift or shift out of -- >> i think you buy out i think todd mckinnon is doing a fantastic job. i would buy okta here. new relic, you know how they came up with the name, it is the an gram for lou serna. >> you are filled with useless information. >> completely useless, thank you. >> a show about nothing. >> this one or -- >> no. the one that netflix just paid a fortune

politics the former commander in chief was in san francisco today giving the keynote speech at the splunk tech conference. last night the city of milpitas voted to rename a street after him. what is the problem. well, dixon landing road ends at the newby island landfill out near the bay. and the mayor isn't having it. he is worried the street will become a national joke. possibly even targeted by president trump on twitter. or, earning monikers like obama landfill road and so on. some residents see the name change as an honor. >> dixon landing road cannot be the barack obama boulevard or bdo boulevard. next to the landfill into silicon valley, absolutely not. >> it is a good idea. he landfill part doesn't bother you. >> i don't think so. >>> >> governor gavin newsom signed a landmark legislation protecting gig workers, it requires employers to apply a stringent test to determine if they can classify their workers as independent contractors. some of the many workers will benefit include janitors, construction workers, and delivery, and rideshare drivers. >>> steph curry will set up for a t

former president was the featured speaker at an event hosted by the company caesplunk according to splunk the event is focused on highlighting innovation and growth with data obama of course no stranger to the bay area in february the president was here and he died at i should curry's restaurant international smoke. >>president trump is revoking california's authority to set its own mileage standards stricter than those set by federal regulators in a tweet the president said it would result in less expensive and safer cars. kron 4 grant lodes joins us now is how california governor gavin newsome is responding to all this and he's not happy. no no he sure is that this is going to be a. >>but battle they're going to dig in this one, they're suing the government over her friday of issues but you get the sense that this one really cuts to the core of who california is governor newsom calling on not only the president but also republicans here in the state who he says are not saying anything newsome says president trump is acting on a quote political vendetta the state's ability to set its own

he is scheduled to be the featured speaker put on by splunk in san francisco.endly territory here in the bay area. check out what happened just late last night in milpitas. the city council there voted in favor of renaming a street in honor of barack obama. they voted 3-2 to change dixon landing road to barack obama boulevard. the first obama boulevard in silicon valley. >> milpitas had diversity like nobody else in the country did. we want to highlight that by making the entrance of that gateway into silicon valley obama boulevard. >> very nice news to greet the former president. the conference he is speaking at today is the beginning of everything. that's what they have called it. it's focusing on

has begun a small invitation- only event hosted by the company splunk.president will be discussing the potential of digital data is being used to transform the world and how organizations are using the data to solve challenges. >>> beto o'rourke will be in the bay area for a two day visit. he is scheduled to store san quentin state prison, to be with inmates who are near the in the end of their sentences and then be in marin county for a fundraiser at a private home. and tomorrow beto o'rourke will take part in a roundtable discussion in oakland on equality and justice. >>> the result of a statewide poll show kamala harris is trailing in the presidential race in her home state. joe biden and bernie sanders are tied for first followed closely by elizabeth warren, andrew yang is next and coming in fifth, kamala harris. the poll was conducted by a research group out of boston. >>> time now is 8:10, ikea is being slammed, for its new traditional caribbean dish, jerk chicken with rice and peas. why some people are calling at the store for a cultural appropria

mine's so small, we need somebody that's at an advanced level and we need tools like splunk so we don'tneed as many humans, that technology helps us to fight the bad guys. it's really important to stay on top of what's modern, use those tools, train the workforce. the way i look at it is if we're in the government and one of the agencies trains somebody and they get a promotion to go to another agency, that's better for the government as a whole. if we train them and they go into industry, it's still better for our country. so we shouldn't not train somebody because we're afraid that we're going to lose them. but giving them that training might actually keep them happy and retain them more. >> it's interesting from a larger organization's perspective. we have a lot of the same challenges in terms of cyber security talent. so my organization is the functional community manager lead for the cyber workforce. we're in charge of figuring out what are the standards and then also of standing up what's called the cyber accepted service, which is a tool congress gave us to be able to help better

. >> the highlight of many attendees, splunk's ceo posting a dialogue with barack obama.recordings were permitted but the president said using tech to crunch big data sets helped him win in 2008. and he said new data analytics could be the solution to problems ranging from the high cost of healthcare to climate change, even traffic. "the question is, are there ways in which we can make better decisions, do things more efficiently, provide services more quickly, improve customer service, if we have the ability to process all that data?" the former president possibly making an oblique reference to the current president. he said the other thing that is helpful is not watching tv or reading social media, those are two things i would advise as president, not to do. conference attendees had seen the president was a highlight but it was his message to this tech savvy crowd of being able to distinguish between the signal versus the noise that they say resonated. >> it was really impressive to see how he linked a lot of the challenges and the new data centric world that is evolvin

obama will be speaking at a small invitation only event hosted by the tech company splunk. the beginning of everything conference will focus on how big tech companies can responsibly collect and manage data across the internet. >>> political reporter and analyst cokie roberts died today. her career spanned five decades lead to go countless awards including named as one of the 50 greatest women in the history of broadcasting. >> karen travers has a look back at cokie's incredible life and career. >> reporter: cokie roberts was a fixture of washington known for her sharp reporting and analysis. her quick wit, grace and kindness, her support of women in journalism. a role model and a mentor, cokie encouraged women to push for a seat at the political roundtable. the daughter of longtime u.s. representatives hale boggs and lindy boggs, cokie grew up to a front row seat of american political history. her full name was mary martha karen roberts. she considered joining the family business but found her calling as a journalist. >> it was essentially reporting and then writing brief

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. >> the event was hosted by splunk, a company that produces software for searching and analyzing big data sets. >>> a suspect in the shooting death of a popular san leandro man appeared in court today. prosecutors charged 34-year-old peter trevina. he opened fire outside an oakland bar during a dispute with another man. four people were hit including mario perez sr. who was trying to defuse the situation. perez died on the way to the hospital. an educational go fund me has been established for perez's two sons. we have a link on our website, abc7news.com. >>> north bay congressman mike tompson led a house forum calling for the senate to vote on several bills to prevent gun violence. thompson is the chair of the house gun violence prevention task force. he's introdu legislation that would require background checks for all firearms sales. a companion bill would lengthen those checks from three to up to ten days. they have stalled in the senate. >> the idea in your back-to-school shopping your buy bulletproof backpacks is ludicrous. we need to take action. senator mcconnell needs to tak