today, stanley woodward was at the courthouse in washington representing another trump employee named william russell, who was giving testimony to jack smith's january 6th grand jury. while his client was in the grand jury room, stanley woodward was supposed to be in another courtroom in the same building for the delivery of the verdict in the trial of freddy cline for his part, his violent part in the attack on the capitol on january 6th. when judge mcfadden complained about stanley woodward being late to arrive to his courtroom, here what turned out to be the guilty verdict against his client, stanley woodward told the judge, i couldn't leave my client in the grand jury where he was being asked questions that specifically involved executive privilege. we'll ask our legal experts in a moment if there's any shred of executive privilege left for trump white house witnesses to hide behind in that grand jury. in an interview, defended the defendant trump lied about what it would mean and what would happen if jack smith convicted him of federal crimes. now keep in mind, when you listen to

but stanley woodward is an attorney representing two clients who are in court today.e of them federico klein was a state department official who physically stormed the capitol himself on january 6th and was inside that tunnel that day. the other is this individual william russell, who is testifying before the grand jury. we haven't seen him go. we believe he went in through the garage, but basically, stanley woodward had to come to the verdict in this case. it was a bench trial that happened the last week, and the verdict was coming down from a trump-appointed judge, judge mcfadden here at 2:00 p.m. that had been scheduled on friday last week. they had set it for this specific time. stanley woodward knew he had a client expected to come in in the morning, to make sure that wouldn't interfere with everything. he ended up being a half hour late for this verdict, and the reason he said in court today while explaining why he was late for this verdict was because of the fact that his client in the grand jury case was being asked questions that specifically had to do with e

when judge trevor mcfadden complained, about stanley woodward being late to arrive what turned out to be the guilty verdict against his client client, gently woodward told the judge, i couldn't leave my client in the grand jury where he was being asked questions that specifically involved executive privilege. we'll ask our legal experts in a moment if there's any shred of executive privilege left for trump white house witnesses to hide behind in that grand jury. in an interview, defended trump lied about what it would mean and what would happen if jack smith convicted him of federal crimes. keep in mind, when you look listen to what donald trump has to say that the full hour interview that he did on fox this week was lower rated than any interviews he ever did on fox during his last presidential campaign. and lower rate to the many hours of this regularly scheduled program on this network, many times in the past. and the crowd in that hour on fox was far more subdued throughout, and at many points looked downright board, in sharp contrast to republican candidate tim scott's recent hou

federal court with william russell's attorney, stanley woodward. gave up some interesting info. can you explain what happened, lisa, and what it might reveal about the grand jury's focus. >> stanley woodward came in today to his sentencing for one of his other clients, a man by the name of freddie klein, who was a trump administration official who was charged with crimes associated with january 6th. he was late to that sentencing. that's a huge no no as a defense attorney. and when he was asked by judge mcfadden to explain himself essentially said, your honor i couldn't leave my other client alone at the grand jury, because there were issues involving executive privilege, and he needed to consult with me. that shows that they are our intimate conversations between will russell and the president -- former president trump -- that were at issue today during his examination by the grand jury. >> charles, one lawyer, stanley woodward -- you just heard lisa referencing him, represents walt nauta, will russell and several other trump adjacent figures -- just how unusual is it for so ma

all those people are being related by stanley woodward. does this foreclose the possibility any of these people are going to cooperate with the federal government? >> it can be consistent with ethical obligations. there's also no inherent problem with someone else paying legal bills. that happens all the time. oftentimes if a prosecutor raises this potential conflict, a judge will hold a hearing and determine for itself whether or not there is actually a conflict, and sometimes they will actually kick a lawyer off. so i haven't seen that happen in this case, but that's -- you know, there's some potential for that. but certainly that is how people at the top keep the people at the bottom a little more in check. >> aligned. well, yeah, they're all paid by the trump save america super pack. i've got to ask you in terms of what william russell might be brought in for in specific, andrew, we talked about defrauding the electoral account. that was something pat cipollone was worried about if trump had gone to the capitol on january 6th. that dov

he was a guy named stanley woodward. because stanley woodward also represents william russell. n woodward showed up about half an hour late, he explain to the judge, quote i could not leave my client in the grand jury when he was being asked questions in specifically involved executive privilege, and quote. judge mcfadden was not satisfied with that answer and summoned prosecutors from the special counsel jack smith's office to his courtroom to answer for that transgression. now luckily for donald trump, his legal team is not going to be spread quite as thin as william russell's. the ex president has added a -- representing him in the election case, former prosecutor john laurel. the presidents gonna get all the, the express it is gonna need all the help he's gonna get facing at least criminal charges as well as a 37 count indictment in the classified documents case in florida. we are still awaiting judge aileen cannon's decision on when that trial is going to begin. gin. and as jack smith's continues his effort to hold donald trump accountable for his actions around the 2020 el

he's being represented by stanley woodward who is also will not his lawyer. who's being paid for by donald trump super pack were has been paid by trump super pac. that seems interesting to me, because if one of his clients is potentially cooperating witness, and the other's time a tricky opposed to him legally speaking, how do you represent both of them without a conflict of interest? >> i don't know. there is a conflict there as far as we can tell looking from the outside. that is a clear conflict. i would be surprised if that is not raised by the prosecution, and they don't ask the judge for what is called a -- to decide whether, objectively whether or not there is intact conflict, and so i think that that is one of the things that we can probably look to see. >> there's so many question marks and so many more questions that i have including everything that you just raised. thank you so much for your time, please hang with us, we have a lot more to get to in tonight's big breaking news. including new information about a sensitive classified document that tr

all of those people, danya, are being represented by stanley woodward. does this for close the possibility that any of them are gonna never cooperate the federal government? and should we assume none of those people are cooperating at this point? >> it probably is a thumb on the scale against cooperation. as andrew said, it can be consistent with a pickle obligations. there's also no inherent problem with someone else paying legal bills. it happens all the time. oftentimes our prosecutor races this potential conflict a judge will hold a hearing. and determine for itself whether or not through's conflict. and sometimes it'll kick a lawyer off. i haven't seen that happen in this case but there is some potential for that. but certainly, that's how people at the top keep the people at the bottom. >> yeah, they're all paid by the trump save america super pac. i need to ask you in terms what william muscle might be brought in for in specific, andrew, we talked about defrauding the electoral count that's something that pat cipollone was worried about if trump h

the attorney who entered the plea for him today, stanley woodward, is on the payroll of the trump superpac. it's unclear when this case will go to trial. the judge has set a date of august 14th, but nobody expects that to happen. the justice department says they'll be ready to go by december. the trump team is doing everything possible to delay. as one trump legal adviser put it, we would like to delay until 2025. in other words, linsey, to delay until after the presidential election. >> linsey: that timeline so critical. jon, thank you. >>> now, to the epic showdown between elon musk and mark zuckerberg, or more specifically, between twitter and its newest challenger, threads. overnight, facebook's parent company meta launched a new social media app. more than 30 million people have already signed on. some are calling it a twitter killer. twitter responding today, sending a cease and desist letter. here's abc's erielle reshef. >> reporter: tonight, a legal battle brewing less than 24 hours after the launch of the new app threads. twitter now threatening to sue meta, accusing the company o

without any motion from the defense counsel than extortion that took place, what my talking about, stanley woodwardcodefendant in this document case set a prosecutor on mr. smith's team, this is a guy that walked into the judge cannon's court the other day, the head of the counterintelligence section. he is really the guy the right hand to smith who is pushing this agenda, that guy walked into court this week and argued for certain motions against certain motions from the defense unclassified information when his butt should've been thrown out of the courtroom. stanley and attorney set a prosecutor, that prosecutor i just mentioned on mr. smith's team trying to secure cooperation from his client. in other words to become a witness for the state said that mr. woodward's application for a junction in washington would be considered more favorably if he and his client turns against trump. mr. woodward has filed a complaint with the chief u.s. judge in washington alleging prosecutorial judgment. in other words a right-hand man to smith, according to this allegation extorted the lawyer for the codefendan

he is accused of stanley woodward who represents the codefendant of extortion he has accused waving audgeship in front of this attorney was trying to become a federal judge in washington d.c. for favorable testimony from a client against donald trump. the fact that this guy shows up in a federal courtroom in florida without that being resolved is unbelievable to me. that is who he is. another hitman. then we have raymond hustler another guy who comes so what jack smith did as he brought all of his guys back. all of the people who have abused along the path. all the people who have abused and targeted individuals and turn them into defendants in the past to spread them all in to these special independent counsel office. all come out of main justice. most come out of the holder regime when he was there. he hired harbaugh. he was involved in the edwards menendez cases as well. who is julie edelstein? she interned for who? representative thompson. okay, who is married dormant? married dormant clerk for berylw howell. how is she on the case with a conflict of interest like that, doesn't ma

his name is stanley woodward, but will russell himself has not been seen, and what the grand jury isng, we know they convened as of 9:00 this morning. they are meeting and they are at work. they apparently would be having will russell testify to them throughout the day or at least in this morning, and we also know that they are going to be hearing from at least one other witness today in this investigation, and so the justice department continues to bring evidence, testimony, witnesses before the grand jury even while donald trump has received that target letter and received that indication from prosecutors that there is a very likely case to be brought against him as the former president, and that case, they already appear to know what statutes they want to bring, the charges that they would bring against him related to january 6th. but exactly what emerges from the grand jury in that indictment, the pieces of it, the witnesses that are the most crucial ones to build the case against donald trump, that, we will not know until the grand jury finishes the work and the justice departme

ironically, the person that brought in the wrap up witness last time, lawyer stanley woodward who was in miami, is also the lawyer for the person we understand to be testifying tomorrow to the grandeur, a former white house aide will russell. does that suggest that we are at the end? not necessarily. we are certainly getting close to it,. i'll be looking for signals that trump's lawyers are sitting down with the special counsel's office in their last-ditch effort to persuade them not to bring charges. that might be when we know that the end is actually near. >> the end is near. and yet it keeps goi doesn't it? eveni>> alex >> when we come bas thud. from senator elizab that news has landed with thud we're going to get reactio from senator elizabeth warre and my msnbc colleague jen psaki. stick around so, you've got the power of xfinity at home. now take it outside with xfinity mobile. like speed? it's the fastest mobile service around. with the best price for two lines of unlimited. only 30 bucks a line per month. that's hundreds in savings a year when you wave bye to the other guys. n

the delay in walt nauta's arraignment occurred because washington-based attorney stanley woodward took three weeks to find a local florida lawyer who would join the defense team as required by florida rules. walt nauta's local florida lawyer is the least experienced lawyer in the case and has never handled high pressure federal litigation. the new york times reports that the 34-year-old lawyer, sasha dadan, quote, has limited experience with the federal courts. her name doesn't appear at all in pacer -- the nationwide database federal cases. but she has handled numerous local cases in fort pierce, florida. that is where judge aileen mercedes cannon, who is overseeing mr. trump's prosecution, is based and where the former president's trial with mr. nauta will eventually be held. ms. dadan has been active in republican politics mounting an unsuccessful campaign for the florida house in 2018. the application for search warrant of trump's florida home, that reveals that before he was codefendant walt nauta, the justice department and fbi referred to him as witness five. the revelation came

ironically the person who brought in the wrap up witness last time, lawyer stanley woodward who was with taylor budwhich miami, does that suggest we're at the end, not necessarily but we're certainly getting to it, and that may be when we know the end is really near. >> the end is really near and yet it keeps going on, doesn't it? barbara mcquade, and our great msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin, ladies thank you there your time and thoughts this evening. >>> when we come back, news of a looming federal indictment for the leader of their party has landed among republicans down here in washington. that news has landed with a thud. we're going to get reaction from senator elizabeth warren and my msnbc colleague jen psaki. stick around. y msnbc colleague jen psaki. stick around (man) mm, hey, honey. looks like my to-do list grew. "paint the bathroom, give baxter a bath, get life insurance," hm. i have a few minutes. i can do that now. oh, that fast? remember that colonial penn ad? i called and i got information. they sent the simple form i need to apply. all i do is fill it out and send it bac

stanley woodward, he's representing walt nauta and also, ding, ding, tavares.'s all these people representing multiple people but now we've got one more filing today. glenn. special counsel turned over the third production of discovery to trump and nauta including all of the witness interviews and grand jury transcripts as well as any witness deals. the government will disclose payments, promises of immunity, leniency or other inducements made to prospective government witnesses. et cetera, et cetera. glenn. trump is now going to know who got offered deals. and then what could he do with that? >> well, first of all, what could trump do with it? he could, let me use the term mob lawyer. i'm not accusing anybody of being a mob lawyer but when we hear the term, what does that conjure up? the mob boss gets a lawyer or lawyer for all of his underlings. his wise guys. because he wants to keep them all close. he wants to keep them into the fold and here is the thing. the sixth amendment right to counsel in the constitution provides that not only does everybody have a

sort of introduce his lawyer, his long-time lawyer who has been representing him for a while, stanley woodwardd he will be able to be inducted, into this case. essentially it was a pretty short hearing over the course of about five minutes. not a ton of substance there. as you said there is this new information coming out that we're learning about this incident and how this all sort of came about. it's a little bit of the pulling back of the curtain about how exactly -- or why the fbi thought that basically they were being misled by the trump camp about these documents in this room and seeing walt nauta bring that on the surveillance video. the surveillance video is obviously playing a very significant role here in accessing that surveillance video that showed the contrast between what the trump campaign -- or what the trump team was representing to the government and what actually happened i think has been an important piece of this puzzle in moving it forward and actually, you know, what ended up resulting in nearly a year ago now in august of 2022, that raid on mar-a-lago that ultimately tu

jack smith's team attacked attorney stanley woodward's claim that he could not meaningfully participate in the hearing, even if his schedule allowed, because he has not yet obtained the security clearance. jack smith's team pointed out in their filing today, quote, as of this writing, mr. woodward has yet to complete his form sf-86, which is necessary for him to receive both an interim clearance and final adjudication, despite having been put in contact with a litigation security group on june 12th, some three and a half weeks ago. jack smith's filing also points out that a security clearance is not necessary to participate in the hearing. after jack smith's filing, calling the delay unnecessary, donald trump's lawyers filed a motion for a two-day delay that would move the hearing from friday to tuesday of next week. the trump filing indicates that both of defendant walt nauta's defense lawyers would be available on that day. in a moment we will show you what criminal defendant donald trump said in his own defense this weekend, but before we do that we will introduce to legal experts wh

someone to represent walt nauta, who was a lawyer locally, he's still obviously represented by stanley woodward, who entered just a few moments ago, that nonguilty plea on his behalf. walt nauta acknowledged that he has read the charges against him, but it was a pretty brief hearing all about five minutes overall. >> and, tom what did we learn from the unredacted portions of the search warrant affidavit? >> yesterday we were talking about this, we probably would almost certainly get nothing as far as the ongoing investigation or getting any sort of details about potential witness names that aren't already out there and aren't already public and that we would probably get some granular detail behind what led the fbi to conduct this search. and that might help inform us more about what we saw in the indictment against the former president as well as walt nauta. that's exactly what we're able to get. i think it is important here we're able to see that what was going on kind of at a day by day of the fbi's investigation of the time and the fact that they say, look, we're being given all these repre

this person who isn't named in the abc reports, but is represented by walt nauta's counsel, stanley woodward, is a person likely to be indicted. and that makes sense for this reason. when the department of does additional interviews after an indictment, it can't be in support of the existing charges. that is a big no no. it has to be in support of either superseding charges or another indictment. so, to the extent that the department is saying, yesterday, hey, trump and walt nauta, we are about to turn over transcripts of interviews between mid may and mid june, that is in service of something -- that we already know about. >> interesting. i personally -- i mean, as i said many times, i did not go to law school. but it did not occur to me that jack smith -- i mean, we knew he was still investigating. we knew there was still subpoenaing people. but the fact that he is still looking at, focused on this sort of wheels in the machine, the cogs in the machine, the lower level staffers who were party to, allegedly, trump's plot to hide these classified documents, is interesting to me and a testame

but we know that one of them was for walt nauta's devices, and we know that because his lawyer stanley woodward at last week's hearing announced in open court that rather ask for devices or end send him a grand jury subpoena, the special counsel's office took the step of issuing a search warrant for walt nauta's phones. in the indictment we see text messages back and forth between people. did that come from nauta's phones? others' phones? there's a series of texts from nauta and deoliveira. they could have come from both. the other thing is there's a long recitation of deoliveira's conversations with someone, trump employee number 4. that isn't from texts but indeed must be from trump employee 4 having extensive conversations, whether compelled or not, with the special counsel's office. so i think you're right to say behind the scenes they've gotten hard evidence but soft evidence as well in the form of firsthand witnesses that have communicated with each of these defendants. >> your review of the superseding indictment, lisa, how direct is trump's involvement in this conspiracy to delete the s

but there is a guy, and nauta's guy is stanley woodward, and it's been a full employment act for him. he has a reputation of being solid, but we have not simply that trump is paying him and representing so many people, but both walt nauta and now carlos de oliveira, represented by another person, scream out as being people who need to cooperate. they have everything to lose, nothing to gain. by the way, and on the choice of good fellows here, it was perfect. because it's not this kind of somber -- it really is bumbling. oh wow, surveillance footage? how do we go about. it it's a ham-handed campiotti, and they are dead to rights. i'm sure the united states said look, if you will testify just tell the truth about this 24 minute conversation, for example, that we de oliveira had just soon as they found out they wanted surveillance footage they went to taveras, they would be looking at no jail time, no charges at all. they're not so far they are staying loyal following the robert de niro advice. but it's terrible personal advice for them, and you have to imagine that a lawyer, it's techni

that lawyer is an attorney named stanley woodward. we know from public disclosures that his law firm has been paid by former president trump's political action committee, save america. that little tidbit matters, because of the past prologue here, the lawyers, who pays for the lawyers, it can make a world of difference when it comes to actually getting at the truth. >> i was in the vicinity of a conversation where i overheard the president say something to the effect of, you know, i don't care that they have weapons, they are not here to hurt me. take the mags away. let those people in, they can march the capitol from here. let the people in, take the mags away. >> remember cassidy hutchinson? she was a former top aide to trump's white house chief of staff, mark meadows. cassidy hutchinson was one of the star witnesses for the january 6th investigation. she described how president trump not only knew the crowd gathering to hear the speech at the ellipse on january 6th had weapons, she testified that trump also did not want security to

ironically, the person that brought in the wrap up witness last time, lawyer stanley woodward who was in miami, is also the lawyer for the person we understand to be testifying tomorrow to the grandeur, a former white house aide will russell. does that suggest that we are at the end? not necessarily. we are certainly getting close to it,. i'll be looking for signals that trump's lawyers are sitting down with the special counsel's office in their last-ditch effort to persuade them not to bring charges. that might be when we know that the end is actually near. >> the end is near. and yet it keeps going, on doesn't it? barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, and our great msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin, ladies, thank you for your time and thoughts this evening. >> alex thank, you. >> when we come back, the news of a looming federal indictment for a leader of their party has landed among republicans down here in washington. that news has landed with a thud. we're going to get reaction from senator elizabeth warren and my msnbc colleague jen psaki. stic

. >> a guy named stanley woodward as "politico" puts it he's a law nerd in a world of political operatives and it's the separation that he has from the trump loyalty at any cost mentality that's made him ep embroiled in the legal morass that's followed trump. to have someone who doesn't attack the justice system like he does, like his allies does, is this a smart move on the part of defendants? >> i think it is, chris, because i think sometimes people like donald trump who are accustomed to being powerful like to surround themselves with sycophants, people who tell them they're always right, and a good lawyer will tell their client when they're wrong, will tell them what is what and will explain to them that when the evidence is strong you need to take a plea or you need to cut your losses. we'll see whether donald trump listens to him, it seems frequently those are the people who get cast aside in favor of those who demonstrate loyalty. but i think in the same way you want to have a doctor telling you the truth about what's wrong, the same way you want to have a lawyer telling you the col

the delay in walt nauta's arraignment occurred because washington-based attorney stanley woodward took as required by florida rules. walt nauta's local florida

hearing -- not a clean thing in his motion that the date doesn't work, because nauta lead lawyer stanley woodward is set to begin a trial for another client in washington, d.c. this week. notably, that clients is a federal jury go kwan, a former trump appointee at the state department who faces several charges in connection with his participation, and the violent insurrection on january 6th. walt nauta's lawyers argued in the motion today that the local florida council could not appear on her own because she just joined the case last week. these delays with nauta have been ongoing. in fact, nauta apparently struggled to find a local lawyer to represent him. delaying his arraignment for more than three weeks. on thursday, he finally pleaded not guilty to charges that he conspired with donald trump to obstruct and thwart the governments attempt to retrieve classified documents. the ex president illegally took from the white house. special counsel jack smith responded immediately to the request for a delay with strong opposition to the continuance. arguing, quote, neither of nauta's justifications a

>>, it was a really interesting moment this week because thursday, stanley woodward, who is representing william russell as well as representing another january 6th defendant, who was on trial, was actually a member of the trump administration, a trump political appointee, who physically stormed the capitol on january 6th. he was set to get his verdict handed down at two pm, but his lawyer was actually at this hearing before the grand jury, and ended up being about 25 minutes late for this hearing, then had to explain to the judge when he walked in what was up, and he told the judge essentially that he couldn't leave his other client, william russell, before the grand jury because he was being asked questions that implicated questions of executive privilege. those questions, as nbc news also reported, had a lot to do with donald trump's state of mind after the 2020 election, and exactly whether he knew that a lot of these sort of garbage reports were coming in through his campaign. actually had any real world impact, whether they could've actually impacted the election or whether he knew

department at mar-a-lago, he's being represented by stanley woodward who's also walt nauta's lawyer who's being paid for by donald trump's super-pack or has been paid for by the trump super-pack. that seems interesting to me, danya. if one of his clients is a potentially cooperating witness and the other is diametrically opposed to him legally speaking, how do you represent both of them without a conflict of interest? >> i don't know. that's a clear conflict and i'd be surprised if that's not raised by the prosecution and they don't ask the judge for a hearing. but it's really do decide objectively whether or not there is, in fact, a conflict. and so i think that's one of the things we can probably look to see. >> there are so many like question marks and so many more questions that i have including everything you just raised, so, danya, thank you so much for your time. talia, please hang with us. we have a lot more to get to in tonight's big breaking news including new information about a sensitive classified document trump allegedly took to his golf club in new jersey and that club in n