steve bannon served as vice president of the firm. from the outset the objective was clear nothing less than a revolution in the election campaign process despite multiple interview requests cambridge analytical has refused to speak with us. but it's possible to understand the work they did by simply watching their advertisements political campaigns have changed they're no longer about running the most t.v. spots sending out the most direct mail or spending the most money they're about who spends the smartest money in today's political world what campaigns are getting more expensive in elections are won by small but crucial numbers of votes putting the right message in front of the right person at the right moment is more important than ever this is where cambridge analytical in our revolutionary data modeling techniques can help. it sounds like a more logical approach to campaign strategizing however the reality is more complex and above all much murkier than cambridge and in that it was willing to admit it. since coming to the. unit

steve bannon physically fired me. when we had the conversation of where is this coming from because it came out of the blue two days after the election, steve said, as he put it, quote unquote, the kid. >> you were also about the intelligence briefing back in august 2015. you and mike flynn, the president's first intelligence briefing. you called flynn a russian lackey, said he was off the rails. isn't it fair to conclude, for anyone to conclude, from that briefing on the president did know that russia was trying to interfere in our elections. >> listen, i can't talk about the specifics of what went on, george, as you know in that briefing but the import of the briefing was that the then candidate, now president, came out of that with some concerns about mike flynn because his conduct in that meeting was completely outrageous for a staff person. he was uprating the folks briefing us. he was demeaning them, interrupting them. i felt like as a staff person for the candidate, you were there to take notes, listen and talk

sean spicer and sarah, the president and steve bannon said you are huge because of us. i was always there. people want to say i did this. you put the spotlight on me by saying stop shake my head. you put the spotlight on me when you told me to get the cdc together for a meeting. i didn't do that. you did that. i have been doing this for a long time. i have been out there. when it comes to cnn, we have been talking -- there were things going on prior to it. this happened at the same time. this president did not make me. i am morgan state made, baltimore made, april made. i was prepared for the times. >> host: presidents clinton, w bush, obama and trump. one story from each. >> one story, bill clinton, the race initiative. i put together with black journalists, talking about race. george w. bush, two stories. i toured the gallery, the corporate art gallery across the street from the white house, the first lady lost it and the exhibit, we watched the primitively crafted silk, viewed them internet space we saw old elderly women who still felt the state of slavery, oppressio

steve bannon served as vice president of the firm. from the outset the objective was clear nothing less than a revolution in the election campaign process despite multiple interview requests cambridge analytical has refused to speak with us. but it's possible to understand the work they did by simply watching their advertisements political campaigns have changed they're no longer about running the most t.v. spots sending out the most direct mail or spending the most money they're about who spends the smartest money in today's political world what campaigns are getting more expensive in elections are won by small but crucial numbers of votes putting the right message in front of the right person at the right moment is more important than ever this is where cambridge analytical in our revolutionary data modeling techniques can help. it sounds like a more logical approach to campaign strategizing however the reality is more complex and above all much murkier than cambridge and in that it was willing to admit it's. since coming to the. un

. >> se cupp our host of "se cupp unfiltered" with us now, steve bannon is saying that he absolutelyhored his time, but what did you think about him saying he was doing the lord's work? >> huh. i guess the charitable explanation would be that people working in and around trump at that time maybe thought they were giving a voice to the voiceless in a lot of what they were doing and sort of, you know, bringing in to the fold the forgotten man. that said, if you look objectively at what steve bannon's role was, both in the campaign and then in the white house and his work with brexit, it was very clearly to capitalize on division, divisions in the country, divisions among voters to sort of harness hatred and animosity and stir that up and ferment it and turn it into political capital. i'm familiar with all the gods of all the religions and i don't think that's generally what any of the gods in any of the major religions say that their job is. that's usually the other guy's job. >> sarah sanders has an opinion on this. let's listen to what she has said. >> i think god calls all of us to

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steve bannon faced a fine and an investigation by the justice department. we believe or we think it's possible that the super pac make america number one was subsidizing stephen bannon's work for the trump campaign by making payments abandoned through glittering steel at all see this consulting firms last movie production company located in california at the same address as ben's own consulting firm. glittering steel and breitbart are not the only companies tied to the trump campaign eighty three eighty three will serve boulevard in los angeles also hosts cambridge analytic a company that came under the spotlight for its influence in politics around the globe. cambridge analytical claim to have revolutionary data modeling techniques that can change political campaigning. it was a subsidiary of an english firm and its role in donald trump's campaign is regarded as manipulation of public opinion. short films of hope. and inspiration. a series of short hustle stories that highlight the human triumph against the odds. i could afford four hundred people it was yo

he used sloppy steve bannon who cried when he got fired and begged for his job. sloppy steve has been dumped like a dog by almost everyone. too bad. i mean, dana, i'm sorry. we talk mob talk here. >> i guess just in terms of capitalization, the iran tweet really takes the cake. there is something about the steve bannon being called names. the way he'll call his own people names, you know, tillerson became dumb as a rock and omarosa became a low life dog. >> he cried when i fired him. where did that come from? who made that up? it's a powerful image. >> yeah. i think in creativity, it's neck and neck. >> jason, i think he was talking to the iranians almost like you can imagine the ayatollah saying, he's talking our language. >> this is right from the iranian play book. look, i heard brave heart music. there was a level of rage. you talked about demented people and war we've never seen -- i was close between the iranian and then, of course, the rigged witch-hunt because i just see the president waking up from a fevered dream, cold sweat, rigged witch-hunt, then goin

steve bannon wasn't there yet. i agree that "was directed" is a precise way of phrasing it. >> it says a senior trump campaign official was directed. >> right. >> that means that the pyramid gets smaller for who could make that direction. >> in the previous paragraph it says that stone informed senior trump campaign officials, plural. this is again in the june, july time frame. more than one senior trump campaign official was somehow connected to this pursuit of the wikileaks information. if i'm a senior trump campaign official in the june, july time frame now, i imagine maybe you are a little bit nervous, jeffrey? >> absolutely. i tell you one person who may be breathing a sigh of relief this morning is steve bannon, of all people. there is a passage in here where stone says to someone else, i keep trying to call steve bannon and he won't call me back. i'm sure bannon is glad for that reference. if i could just talk about one thing about roger stone that i think all of us who -- maggie and all of us who covered hi

one was steve bannon, a chief executive of the trump campaign. stone was not charged with conspiracy. he faces one count of obstruction. they are related to the lies before the house intelligence committee. >> any error i made in testimony would be immaterial and without intent. >> he faces one count of trying to tamper with testimony. at one point, threatening to steal his dog. stone claimed that was his back channel to wikileaks, which he denies. stone said stone wall it. plead the fifth. anything to save the plan. amid references to richard nixon and "godfather" movies. stone urged trump to run for president. as the white house made this claim -- >> nothing to do with the president and certainly nothing to do with the white house. >> reporter: friday, stone doubled down on the loyalty pledge. >> there is no circumstance, whatsoever, under which i will bear false witness against the president. >> sarah murray, cnn, washington. >> let's bring in harry litman, a former u.s. attorney and contributor to "the washington post" joining us this hour. t

cnn identifyed that campaign official as then campaign ceo steve bannon. the coordination is of concern with the special counsel because of the organization's ties to russia. in 2016 the u.s. intelligence community said wikileaks released the hacked e-mails in a manner quote consistent with the methods and motivations of russian-directed efforts. the special counsel also indicted stone for witness tampering. this for allegedly attempting to sway radio host randy creditco, allegedly, a go-between before he testified to congress. the indictment alleges that stone said creditco should do a frank frantangeli. he said he e-mailed them to say are you a rat, a stoolie. stone then said he would quote take that dog away from you, referring from his pet. stone and president trump have been friends since the 1980s when stone first encouraged trump to run for president. >> trump is someone through the '80s who took enormous risks and succeeded. >> as exploerd in the documentary, get me roger stone. stone once again expressed his loyalty to trump. >> there is no circum

or steve bannon could be another. there was a smaller circle of people who would have been managing it at that point. ken is absolutely right, they go so far back, they had a political consulting firm together. these two were behind the scenes, pulling levers. i think roger stone would admit his sort dark arts of politics, he's said that before. so this is a long relationship. and it's important to realize that that relationship could have been at play in some things we're seeing in this indictment, particularly when donald trump wanted to know what was coming next from wikileaks. people in trump's orbit knew about roger stone but very few knew him like paul manafort did. >> cynthia alksne, you're a former federal prosecutor. this idea that roger stone is going to take to the podium there, roughly 20 or 30 minutes from now, in what universe is that a good idea? >> it's not a good idea. but it's what he's done all along. it wasn't a good idea to go on "meet the press" and lie. it's not a good idea to go to the congress

that was in july so that would have to be somebody other than steve bannon ken, you just mentioned the previous indictment and the second to russia indictment where they are talking to the person and talking to guccifer you do know it is roger stone. >> yes, stone released the transcripts of those messages and they lined up. there is no mention of that whole exchange in this roger stone indictment i think it is a piece of evidence for those who want to suggest there is more to the sto story. >> i give a lot of credit to sam nunberg or anything. they know what questions mueller is asking and where the investigation is going as it is reported, those are the people i want to talk to more. >> ken dilanian and rosalind helderman thank you. >> you are sticking around after the break, we are talking about 2020 democrats and the field of contenders. senator harris is officially in. and al bid bid by a billionairs already angering a lot of folks, let's say. my life flashed before my eyes. (911 operator) 911, what's your emergency? (news anchor) in a freak traffic accident saturday, 19-year-old

steve bannon served as vice president of the firm. from the outset the objective was clear nothing less than a revolution in the election campaign process despite multiple interview requests cambridge analytical has refused to speak with us. but it's possible to understand the work they did by simply watching their advertisements political campaigns have changed they're no longer about running the most t.v. spots sending out the most direct mail or spending the most money they're about who spends the smartest money in today's political world what campaigns are getting more expensive in elections are won by small but crucial numbers of votes putting the right message in front of the right person at the right moment is more important than ever this is where cambridge analytical in our revolutionary data modeling techniques can help. it sounds like a more logical approach to campaign strategizing however the reality is more complex and above all much murkier than cambridge and in that it was willing to admit it. since coming to the. unit

ask about delusions of grandeur is because that's pretty much what we all know trump said about steve bannon didn't he went after steve brown and lost his white house job he lost his mind set on the turn he spent his time in the white house leaking false information to make him seem more important than he was it's the only thing he does well ok that's the view of the owner john boehner his former strategist i have heard that this isn't you to a trying to be more important than you actually are really listen you are here. just to come in interview me i did i didn't ask you to come absolutely i want to sign the wretches so so you're behind me are two here so let's come back with. ok steve was was in the populist movement before trial ok from two thousand and nine same year that they enter into politics by the way it was with breitbart ok and if there's an ideology there's a vision ok and it could exercise or put in practice his vision with trump for certain time until the clashing details. kind of a go clash for sure and so on but there was a steep before we struck and there's a still button a

i know roger stone has said steve bannon is at least one of them. >> yes. >> brennan: but there are a lot of questions about who was i was struck by the fact that trump campaign officials -- bannon has been identified, when you tart to connect the dot, oh, one is steve bannon, but that is the question everyone else has. who are the other officials who were having some kind of conversations with rsq) stone to try to get wikileaks to do something. i think the thing that is clear, and susan collins said this to you, as well, everyone who has talked to the house intelligence committee, everyone who has talked to the nat intelligence committee is now thinking, maybe lying to congress is a bad idea since mueller is really using, that and he's used it with cohen, he's used witted stone. that is putting pressure on people, and if you are onethe ov talked to th committee, you hroughour testimony and woingse t num me's harderwi s t.thbar kl, there's in proof of criminal collusion by trump, by his campaign, and russia, whereas previously there was no cooperation at all, and that line keeps shift

steve bannon served as vice president of the firm. from the outset the objective was clear nothing less than a revolution in the election campaign process despite multiple interview requests cambridge analytical has refused to speak with us. but it's possible to understand the work they did by simply watching their advertisements political campaigns have changed they're no longer about running the most t.v. spots sending out the most direct mail or spending the most money they're about who spends the smartest money in today's political world what campaigns are getting more expensive in elections are won by small but crucial numbers of votes putting the right message in front of the right person at the right moment is more important than ever this is where cambridge analytical in our revolutionary data modeling techniques can help. it sounds like a more logical approach to campaign strategizing however the reality is more complex and above all much murkier than cambridge and in that it was willing to admit it's. since coming to the. un

but if you look at the timeline of these various contacts, there were people before steve bannon cameonto the campaign who were having these discussions with roger stone. this was an ongoing conversation, an ongoing pursuit by the trump campaign to check in with roger stone to say, what's coming? have you heard anything that's coming? did you get information you can share with us? >> forgive me for interrupting, but a lot of new people came into the trump campaign. he didn't have a preexisting relationship with roger stone, but he had a previous relationship with steve bannon. he didn't really know paul manafort, he didn't really know rick gates. this is someone the president knew for decades. cnn has just learned that we do expect the president to address the border shutdown and what he calls the border crisis a little later today. david, actually, i can go straight to the white house to our kaitlan collins to try to bring that in. kaitlan, we know the president has been debating his options. does he have something new to bring to the table today? >> reporter: that's what we're going

michelle mudd reka man a corporate lawyer who's working with president trump's former strategist steve bannon to try and coordinate those parties activities there i may say is to drive a stake through the heart of the brussels vampire but what does that really mean.

steve bannon said almost nothing to congress.was refusing to testify about a wide variety of matters claiming executive privilege. he's going to have to do some answering in the weeks to come. >> here we go. happy friday, everybody. thanks, i really appreciate it, guys. thanks for walking through all of it and thanks for sticking with us this hour. >>> just to remind everybody, roger stone is expected to speak any moment after this early morning raid in florida of his home and his arrest and his first court appearance that just wrapped up, he is released on bail. stay with us. we'll bring you that. wouldn't it be great to have epix? this is it guys. you ready? absolutely. woooo! you'd laugh. oh, ow. [ chuckles ] you'd cry. look, look, look, look, look, look, look,. maybe even laugh while crying. what the fertilizer? sounds pretty great, right? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! just say, "add epix" and it can all be yours. it's easy to upgrade. and you don't want to miss out on everything epix. psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis, little things

michelle mudd recruitment a corporate lawyer who's working with president trump's former strategist steve bannon to try and coordinate those parties activities their own they say is to drive a stake through the heart of the brussels vampire but what does that really mean. michel. welcome to conflict zone thank you i've played it to be here nobody is more identified with the populist nationalist movement donald trump a man who's known as in many cases a serial liar who share his contempt for the truth not at all i don't sing that he's a liar i think he's a big this raptor i see it in conflict with the establishment in conflict with the press and i don't i don't believe it is a lie at all but you don't know so he lied from day one in the white house about the size of his inauguration crowd you don't think that was and i was there i was the largest ever crowd he said the largest never there is from time to time somebody said the recession but it was a very impressive i was there exaggeration can also be a lie he lied about consulting several former u.s. presidents who told him apparently they too w

perhaps rick gates, perhaps steve bannon >> all right so anna, given that, you have this meter of peril here where does the needle fall when it comes to the president? >> that's a great question we just don't know the when it comes to the president but what our own nbc's own kristen welker reported yesterday is that that top trump campaign official was steve bannon steve bannon has said roger was trying to get in touch with me and i was brushing him off i didn't really -- we didn't really take him seriously. he was trying to seem relevant but the hinge is that mueller has all of these communications and so he has access to really know exactly what went on during that key time frame from august through november and during that time frame when the podesta e-mails were dropping starting in october, and so it remains to be seen, we just have to wait till the next document comes out because as you all know, there have been very few leaks of any coming out of the special counsel's office. so we all just have to wait and see. we were waiting for the roger stone indictment it came down friday.

folks like mike flynn, folks like steve bannon. what the hell was somebody like omarosa ever doing in the white house? >> there is one character who makes it out of the book relatively unscathed. donald trump. the former governor of new jersey chris christie joins me now live. thank you for being on the show. full disclosure. you were to be sitting next to me. you had some train troubles. i'm glad to see you in front of a camera. >> thank you hallie. the cold today broke up some rails on amtrak so sorry i was running late. >> that's what it sounds like. let me ask you about something the president tweeted about today. it seems like it may be aimed at you. so great to watch and listen to all these people who write books and talk about my campaign and so many other things related to winning and how i should be doing it. as i take it all in i sit back, relax and say, gee, i'm in the white house and they're not. is he throwing shade at you? >> no, i don't think so at all. in fact, i have been communicating with the president and other

in the beginning he had a group of people around him like steve bannon, rick dearborn, like omarosa.omebody like omarosa doing in the white house? >> we were going to have the best. >> we didn't because jared kushner, rick dearborn, and steve bannon decided it was more important for them to have control than it was for the president to get a well-prepared transition. >> what did they know? like, who among them has ever done anything impressive in. governmental life? >> none of them. and that's what i said to the president-elect at the time. and i think that's one of the reasons they got rid of me was because they didn't want to have somebody who had been an executive in government, was an executive in government at that time, who had run two transitions of his own, who could call bs on a lot of the stuff and the people they were suggesting. i mean, that's -- we talk about the transition. you know, our top pick for recommendation for him for secretary of health and human services, alex azar. now, he ultimately picks him, but we go through the mess of tom price. we should have never go

i think the likelihood that steve bannon is going to tell the truth about this stuff is about as high as him making the cover of gq, and we don't trust the president himself. >> we have rolled through an hour of live television. we have to sneak in a break. after we'll talk about stone's indictment and his court appearance 60 minutes from now. t appearance 60 minutes from now i'm really into this car, but how do i know if i'm getting a good deal? i tell truecar my zip and which car i want and truecar shows the range of prices people in my area actually paid for the same car so i know if i'm getting a great price. this is how car buying was always meant to be. this is truecar. carl, i as my broker...invite here. what am i paying you to manage my money? it's racquetball time. ♪ carl, does your firm offer a satisfaction guarantee? like schwab does. guarantee? ♪ carl, can you remind me what you've invested my money in. it's complicated. are you asking enough questions about how your wealth is being managed? if not, talk to schwab. a modern approach to wealth management. and the army taugh

so who can boss steve bannon around and direct him to shake the tree and get roger stone to push on wikileaks? certainly if robert mueller is no teaser and it would be quite a tease if this were anyone other than the president. >> you think so. >> that's for -- yeah, that's -- certainly he knows that speculation will be there. the indictment, michael dreeben, the wordsmith and the team thought about this use of voice. they'll stitch it up in days all the focus has been if paragraph 12 where this passive voice is we'll hear about paragraphs 13 through 15 tomorrow where you really have -- i would say this goes a step farther than a coordination indictment. it's something of an affect situation indictment, that is, you really see stone about the business of pushing on wikileaks who now, by the way, we have to consider julian assange an avowed enemy of the united states working with him to really try to make this happen that is the stuff of conspiracy and whether or not he actually had the direct communication and contact with him, the attempts there are going to go farther than simply

steve bannon -- it's widely agreed upon that it's in. to get in touch with wikileaks. is something that is going to foreign entity, one that is lined with a foreign government before, asking for dirt on your political opponents. as andy said, it's smelly icky political stuff and you don't go to jail for that. that's one thing. but it brings more attention to don jr. and that meeting at trump tower. which we know there have been lies about. >> harris: also, to my knowledge, not mentioned in here is that -- as jessica is putting it -- the house select committee on intelligence is the venue that roger stone is alleged to have lied to. we have seen lying to congress, areas where people have been caught in investigations of mueller. talk to me about that part of the indictment. i believe it's on page 3. >> andy: harris, looking at this, i think we are going to have a harder time proving the false statements than they are proving the witness tampering. it looks based on the text that you have here, the witness tampering looks very strong. but i am very surprised that some of

they identified the high ranking official as then campaign ceo steve bannon. it is of concern because of the organization's ties to russia. in 2016 the u.s. intelligence community said they released the e-mails in a manner consistent with of russian districted oefrts. the allegedly a go between before he testified to congress. it said he should do a frank referring to the god farther part 2 who lied to kang. they said he e-mails to say you are a rat stone and trump have been friends since the 1980s. >> trump is someone through the 80s that took enormous risk and succeeded. >> get me roger stone. today stone once again his lislety to traufrp. >> under which i will pear for will i make up lies. >> to be clear wikileaks was not a minor player. it was a central player. i'll remind what pompeo said about him in 2017. he said it is time to call out wiki lngs the question is was he coordinating with wikileaks to interfere with the election? >> very important. stay with us. i want to bring in sarah murray. she has done exceptional reporting here in the last night she

. >> i was fighting with steve bannon and reince priebus.o my ego got involved and i said something to a reporter and he ran to john kelly and he fired me. >> and that was ksaying if you want a friend in washington, buy a dog. and someone remarked isn't trump the first to not have a dog in the white house in more than 100 years. it is an interesting cast. >> kato reemerged. >> yeah, with ricky williams. >>> upon further review perhaps after listening to dave briggs, the nfl is considering changing the rules after a disastrous championship this weekend for the referees. you're awesome and xfinity would like to say, "thank you." now until january 24th, enjoy a free week of movies on us- from networks like epix, lifetime movie club, hallmark movies now, and history vault. just say, "show me movie week." that's a full week of your favorite hit movies on your tv, online, or on the go with the xfinity stream app. [shouting] and it's all on us, all week long. you've got some serious watching to do. >>> the nfl plans to discuss whether video replay

it appears that robert mercer and steve bannon capitalized on this function of social media.hey brought it to the united states. couldwondering if you speak to what is going to happen in the 2020 election? is this going to continue, especially with russia and china getting involved. could this be a problem for the election? thank you. review, thatl deadline for brexit is also looming. the brexithave deadline, our shutdown, a lot of things are going on nationally and internationally. the suspicion of social media, i think our nation and others have taken steps to begin to figure in what happened in 2016 and 2018. the brexit vote affected the social media discussion. they were driving misinformation online. it's not going to get rid of social media in 2020. for many of us in the political profession and those who are interested in the national discourse, we've got to figure out how we can elevate the discussion and continue to have a civil discussion. they lend themselves to argumentation and bring it down to the lowest common denominator. i think there will be a live discussio

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so it screams out now it's almost certain that the directee here is steve bannon. so who can boss steve bannon around and direct him to shake the tree and get roger stone to push on wikileaks? bob mueller is no teaser and it would be quite a tease if this was anyone other than the president. certainly he knows that speculation will be there. they fly snepect the indictment. the word smith in the team thought carefully about this use of passive voice. they'll stitch it up or not in come canning days. i want to also point all the focus has been in paragraph 12 where this passive voice is. year going to be hearing tomorrow a lot more about paragraphs 13 through 15 where you really have -- i would say this goes a step farther than a coordination indictment. it's something of an efeck chaugz indictment. that is you really see stone about the business of pushing on wikileaks who now, by the way, we have to consider julian assange a devout enemy of the united states working with him to try to make this happen. that is the stuff of conspiracy and whether or not he actually

now, what i did hear from steve bannon, the day after assange had a press event on october 1st, as towo matters of public record. politico had already reported that he said there would be relesses every week for the next following weeks. and that all the u.s.-related campaign, or election-related material would be released in the weeks before the election. i also told them that assange -- >> just to be clear, roger, to allow you to respond directly to what's in the indictment if you're capable of doing so, you're saying the only communication you had to anybody related in the campaign was this one communication that you're talking about with steve bannon, that you're saying it was already public? >> it was public lushed by "the york times." my response was public information. >> and that was the only -- >> that is the only one i recall and one i can find in my e-mails. >> would you entertain cutting a deal, or anything short of going to trial, on these charges? >> again, you're asking me to answer a hypothetical question, without knowing any of the facts. i know that i'm innocent. my

remember steve bannon in his book the probablity that don junior didn't run upstairs to talk to his father about this was -- i think he said the the probability was zero. the way to find out whether that communication happened, of course, would be to get don junior to actually answer the question, something he refused to do as you point out because he claimed privilege. >> robert mueller's investigation, he says they've collected voluminous and complex evidence on roger stone spanning years. what does that tell you about the case he's building against roger stone in the russia investigation? >> you can conclude that there is more going on than we know. chief amongst them lying to congress. search warrants and seizures are usually very specific in what it is that you can take. you can't just go in and take something because it's interesting. you can take the following things because there's the following logic for you having those things as law enforcement. the fact that it's as broad as it is certainly piques my interest. the charge is lying to congress, interfering with an official invest

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here. >> it appears to me they have composed testimony for someone, perhaeps rick gates, perhaps steve bannon>> roger stone jumped around a lot in the media. he showed off the fact he knew it was going to be podesta's time barrel, to use his phrase. now it's his time in the barrel. he seems like a guy that wanted to look guilty, flirt with disaster but now he's dancing away from it. and even now doesn't seem to act normal. what do you make of this witness in this case that could be the prime witness in the russia connection? >> i was one of three that questioned mr. stone and i did ten years of criminal defense work. i've never met anyone quite like him. it is half show, half barnm and bailee. i absolutely can't make it out. it's one thing when you read the transcript and indictment. one thing to be in the room when he's doing testifying. i don't think anyone in their right mind would believe him for a seconds. >> well, chris christie who briefly ran trump's transition says he doesn't think it looks like mueller is finishing up. >> matt would know better than anybody. but i can just tell you

the only communication you had with anybody related to the campaign is one communication with steve bannonyou say is already public information? >> it was published by the times and i responded to it in great written detail. my response is entirely public information. >> and that was the only communication? >> that's the only one that i recall, the only one i can find in my e-mails. >> would you entertain cutting a deal for anything short of going to trial on these charges? >> again, you're asking me to answer a hypothetical without knowing the facts. i know i'm innocent. my intention is to plead not guilty and fight charges. i had no discussion with anyone regarding a pardon. >> all right. national security attorney mark zaid with us and samantha vinograd, former adviser to president obama's national security adviser. good morning. thank you both for being here. samantha, i want to start with you. roger stone also declared yesterday that i will not testify against the president. off what he was talking to chris cuomo about there, do you think he was trying to send a message to president t

steve bannon did get fired for shaping the story against the president's son-in-law. there is so much of that. he just hit the jackpot in sitting at her computer watching it, as you said so well, bringing the receipts. >> when i read kellyanne conway's response she says the people who really leak get more positive press than i do. is she talking about the president's son-in-law who had a glowing profile in "the washington post" today? >> could be. what struck me is that's a nondenial denial. >> she can't cross jared kushner for long and keep her job. sounds like she hasn't, but -- >> she can't cross him publicly on the record. the only reason we know about it is because of cliff simms' book saying she was leaking against him. if that's true and it gets to trump and he gets ornery, maybe she's not long for the administration. but she's proved she's a survivor. >> that's her super power. we'll have cliff simms on very soon. thank you all. great to see you. thank you very much for the insights. >>> a top house democrat is willing to give the president $5.7 billion now fo

. >> i was fighting with steve bannon and reince priebus.want me in that job and they started making up stories. so my ego got involved and i said something inappropriate to a reporter. he ran to cnn with it. and so when the new chief of staff came in, he fired me. >> and who was that? >> that was john kelly. >> asking that question, old friend kato kaelin still couch surfing. the mooch channeling president truman by saying if you want a friend in washington, buy a dog. the question, which is more back stabbing, that white house that mooch was a part of or the "big brother" cast which is all about the conniving back behind the scenes games. >> and ryan lochte in there and loh lohan's mom? >> yeah, an interesting cast. can mooch kind of smooth over the awkwand you cawkward intera. don't rule him out. >>> made, tahead, the nfl readyk about replay reviews for past interference plays. andy scholes has the story for us this morning. and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that

he says steve bannon made clear to me one person and one person only was responsible for the faceless execution that steve was now attempting to carry out. jared kushner, still apparently seething over events that occurred a decade ago. he's talking about why he was ousted from the transition team that he put jared kushner's father in jail a decade ago and jared kushner holds a grudge and had knives sharpened for chris christie. >> there is no love lost between kushner and chris christie. there is no doubt jared kushner and steve bannon took over the transition along with mike pence who often doesn't get mentioned over that period when chris christie was fired almost immediately after the election. look, i think those two found a way to work together. chris christie and jared kushner did during the campaign. but jared kushner tried to block chris christie coming to lead the transition in the first place. there is no reason to doubt that account. while kushner and bannon aren't pals anymore, that was a period of time after the election when they were close, working in tandem. >> it doe

perhaps rick gates, perhaps steve bannon >> all right so you just mentioned this you were talking about that. how far in there is the involvement? could it be donald trump >> look, the short answer is we don't know mueller is very, very careful about how he drafts these indictments. that was put in there for a reason i suspect that was put in there for a reason for mueller's purpose because of coming indictments. that's a presumption i have no obviously direct knowledge of it. but in terms of roger, that is a critical point and if roger says that this conversation did not happen, we'll see roger's defense, frances. then it would make sense that roger did not lie to congress because roger did not recall possibly the coursecy issue. what i think the indictment made the points of was that roger, they're arguing the special counsel is going to argue because he was directed i by the trump campaign, he did the want to disclose he was having conversations with corsi. >> i want to expand on something you told ari melber when you were on with him as far as roger stone col including with russia.

perhaps steve bannon. perhaps someone is bearing false witness against me. wing what's in my e-mail and my text messages, there is no corroboration whatsoever for this. >> so he's suggesting gates or bannon will be named. we know that gates is cooperating with mueller. what is your reaction? >> i think it is likely that gates has given some testimony or some information in the case. them low out another possibility. that is that little don might be the one that we are talking about in paragraph 12 of the indictment. we already know he has an appetite for trying to dig up dirt on clinton. we know that because they had a secret trump meeting, supposed to be about adoptions. there is an anonymous telephone number and a story cooks up that trump calls up to find out with the purpose of the meeting was. i think it may be the achilles heel of the president, his family. i think this tells us mueller is getting very, very close to that. this indictment to me reads like the classic prosecutor sort of hub and spoke conspiracy. that is that you have got this centerpiece

>> but he also told george stephanopoulos that he thinks it's rick gate maybe it's steve bannon.l are saying we don't know who that is, but doesn't it lead you to believe, kendis, there are people left to be indicted people so far up that food chain in the trump campaign they themselves have exposure and people talking to robert mueller we're not privy to in terms of their identities rick gates is coop right, shaving off years off his sentence and giving valuable information, maybe it's rick gates, maybe it's not. we'll see. >> over the next couple fridays who would you say shouldn't sleep in >> donald trump jr >> malcolm >> i actually think that julian assange is overdue and what's interesting in it is roger stone says he has only lobbied for one person to have a par dom and that's julian assange. >> the co-founder of wikileaks held up in london. >> with his cat. >> with that one cat >> and malcolm nance, thanks to you. >> the democratic presidential field grows andsenator kamala harris kicks off her campaign in oakland. >>> and how they're trying to head off any run to presiden

later on there's a reference an exchange between steve bannon in which he asks me about a public event. and i respond with two matters that have already been published by politico and the guardian, completely public information. >> wikileaks did contact you about getting information? >> that is speculation on my part in all honesty -- >> you would know if you spoke with them. >> i never spoke about this matter with rick gates i'm mindful of the special counsel's ability to induce people to say things that are true i urge the president to fire steve bannon >> do you know who directed rick gates to contact you >> i don't know that anybody did. i guess we'll find out at trial. >> stone is scheduled to be arraigned in washington, d.c. tomorrow and he says he'll plead not guilty >> nancy pelosi is questioning the president's ties to vladimir putin. in a statement after the rest of roger stone the house speaker said in the face of 37 indictments the president's continued actions to under mine the special counsel investigation raises the questions what does putin have on the president politic

. >> i would love to hear the answer to that i'll throw out in ten seconds, he said he thought steve bannon speculatively may have been the person directed to push stone to go to wikileaks. i would note that supposedly happened after july 22nd and bannon doesn't join the campaign until the middle of august and that wouldn't be bannon but what is the answer to that very interesting question. >> jerome, if you could both natasha and charlie. >> first of all, i had no idea -- i speculated bannon. i have no idea the person named in the indictment. secondly, as opposed to stone, and an indication of my intent to cooperate and want to tell the truth, there is nothing i have not -- not turned over to the prosecutor in fact, i turned everything over voluntarily everything they asked for. even helped quantico with double verification having a hard time doing. and in terms of my sources, the source was a woman named lou hodges which i fully discussed with the prosecutors she gave me over a thousand pages. i turned them all over which was a detailed explanation of how the democrats put their computer

remember steve bannon? this is what he told "the daily beast" back in 2016. i'm a leninist.ked him what he meant. lenin, he answered, wanted to destroy the state and that's my goal too. i want to bring everything crashing down and destroy all of today's establishment. charlie and the table are still here. charlie, former senior law enforcement official pointed out this is really the only work sort of like his reflective protectionist impulse, this is the only other pure policy reflex we've seen in the president, the distrust of the intelligence community going back to his election through the transition and ongoing through the presidency, constant war against law enforcement, the constant war against the truth, journalism. what do you think of this shutdown in his mind? do you agree this to him was some progress towards that end? >> i don't know because that implies some sort of strategic vision or ideological principle on the part of the president. >> fair enough. >> but i think he used the right word, reflex. and i think he's inch different to the chaos it causes. i think

she bashed jared kushner, steve bannon and sean spicer all by name. rick, jim, skill here.e read the statement in fairness to kellyanne conway. the real leakers, past and present, get more acknowledgment than i do. i preforeto see it from the front so i know it's coming. this was drafted in consultation with her husband george conway. i got nothing. >> i'll say something, this is a guy, for those who know him, he's attacking for somebody being leaker in a tell-all memoir about the white house. pick a lane, dude. i think probably a lot of people in that white house talked to reporters. i'm sure conway does. >> we thank god they do. >> the whole world is better informed for it. but the memoir, the only thing that strikes me is in normal times, these memoirs have scores settling like as a subpart or sub theme. it's very trumpy for the whole memoir to be about the score settling. >> let's pull back the curtain a little bit how we do our jobs. we did our jobs as government officials and political operatives. there is a line of communication between people in the white house and