to which steve bannon has said this., bring it, - i because we're here to fight thisl and we're going to go on offence. you stand by, you see how we're going to go on offence, 0k? - the second person to defy the committee subpoena was president trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows. he, too, has been found in contempt of congress and may also face criminal charges. mr meadows had handed over thousands of pages of records, but then refused to cooperate further. but even that material was revelatory. we saw text messages he'd received during the attack. fox news host laura ingraham wrote... and there was also a message from the president's son, read out by liz cheney. donald trumertexted, again and again, urging action by the president. "we need an oval office address. he has to lead now. it has gone too far and gotten out of hand." other messages were received the day before the attack. fox news host sean hannity said... you could argue he was right to be concerned. and the committee is requesting an interview with

you know, go as steve bannon said, go village by village. that's how you do it. that's what they've been doing. so this woman i talked to denise you saw a video of her there, she was at the capitol on the 6th and said all that about storming it. 11 months later she's at the board of education in stockton, california where she has no children in the school district and said she never will and she is changing the votes there, right? effectively. later on after i talked to her inside that board of education, they voted alongside her against vaccine mandates. in that crowd gave them a standing ovation. so that's what we're seeing is they've gone extremely local. thankfully, these people were peaceful but the proud boy haves been showing up in the back of some meetings, as well just to intimidate and full guard. that's the big worry here, if they take over local government through sheer intimidation, that's how you lose democracy. >> and so the thing that's kind of scary and doctor, thank you for being here. i feel like the anxieties produced by essentially a year of

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so, yes, we may want to talk to steve bannon about, yoknow, what did he know when he did his podcast and some other things? but there are people around him that know that, as well. >> you just referenced that war room in the willard. there are critics out there that i know you're very well aware of who say to use the word "coup" is a vast overstatement. and some on the right say, you know, it's evidenced by the fact that they have been charged, the rioters, not with insurrection or seditious conspiracy. so why call it a coup? >> because it was and it was an attempt to do that. if you think about, "what is a coup, it's basically a forceful change of government. if you're an authoritarian regime and another authoritarian overthrows you, that's a coup. if you're a democratic regime or a democratic country and, all of the sudden, you go against the will of the people, you violate democracy, and you change the outcome, you can call it anything you want. you can call it mcdonald's. you can call it dairy queen. but it's a coup. and i call it a coup, and it was a coup attempt. >> is that wha

your article carries the provocative title, "steve bannon is on to something."it was actually a friend of mine who's not a regular reader of yours, not a regular reader of political material, said, hey, i just read this thing about steve bannon and i think it's right. and i said, what? i said, who wrote it? he said, ezra klein. i said, oh, it's right. i hadn't read a word of it yet. >> very kind of you. >> so ezra, what is steve bannon right about? >> so one of the things i use in there, truthfully because he's really doing it, a little bit as a rhetorical device, is steve bannon on his podcast and other things has been pushing trumpists to volunteer as local polling volunteers, to run for local office, become precinct volunteers. one thing he understands and has been arguing, because it is literally true, it's not a theory, is elections are fundamentally administered at the local level. the quote so beautifully saying, look, we don't have a national election, we have 50 state elections and territories. in those places they devolve the power to county level, so

he said ezra klein, oh it's right, -- what is steve bannon right about? >> so, one of the things they use in their -- truthfully, because he's really doing, it but also as rhetorical advice, steve bannon on his podcast has been pushing trumpists to volunteer as local polling volunteers to run for local office, become precinct volunteers. one thing he understands, and has been arguing, because it's literally true, it's not a theory, elections are fundamentally -- i have a mandolin who you quoted so beautifully there, we don't have a national election 50 set elections, and other territories. in those places -- county elections. that means that there are all these different counties, where different people are making different rules about how the election is actually run. so, one thing that i'm trying to push liberals towards -- i should say anybody who cares about democracy, i want to see the john doe's voting rights act passed, but i think the liberals are provinces into the idea that this is simply a national battle, and you either win or lose it, nationa

see the end of their work product. >> given that you did vote in favor of the contempt against steve bannon, i'm curious, why bannon yes and meadows no? and does that mean you have some -- you do think that they're conducting themselves properly here or you perhaps wouldn't have even voted yes on bannon? >> i think the ultimate thing to look at here is what precedent is being set and how that could be used in the future. with steve bannon, it was very clear congress has the prerogative to issue subpoenas and it has to have the contempt power in order for that subpoena to have any weight, and steve bannon flat out rejected any cooperation and told congress to pound sand, and so i held him in contempt and voted in support of that. when it came to mark meadows, he had been cooperating with the committee. while he should have appeared in order to assert executive privilege. and there are two lawsuits going -- trump v thompson and meadows v pelosi, et al -- to determine the lirmts of the executive privilege that can be invoked, at the end of the day he was cooperating, at least in some degree. >

i do think there's a -- there's maybe a distinction between political views and what steve bannon was doing right before the insurrection, saying all hell is going to break loose. strap in. i mean, he was -- he was really instigating people there. but let me ask you about this. as for the role of the platforms, here's what spotify's ceo told axios last year about why he doesn't feel like they have a responsibility for what is said by podcasters. >> we have a lot of really well-paid rappers on spotify 2 that make tens of millions of dollars each year on spotify, and we don't dictate what they're putting on their songs either. >> what's the difference between, say, in rap lyrics or a podcaster pushing election lies? do you buy that excuse there from the ceo? >> i think there's a link there where i think that argument falls flat or deflates, jim, is that any content a rapper is putting out or even strongly held extremist political views don't -- shouldn't be conflated with junk science that's spread and results in our icus being overrun. so, i do think americans and the courts correctly

scheme to buy trump's wall or, as they call that in the law enforcement community, "a code six." >> steve bannonhree other men have been arrested, and indicted and charged in relation to their role in a non-profit organization called "we build the wall." what the indictment here is alleging is that bannon and these others were skimming some of the proceeds from that fundraising for themselves >> the court documents basically say that this thing was pretty suspect from -- almost from the beginning. >> seth: yeah, i would say so. the only way it could have been a more obviously a scam is if people who donated were offered an extended car warranty and fake boner pills for life. [ laughter ] so bannon was arrested for scamming trump's own supporters, but then trump pardoned him at the last minute, and bannon made this mysterious prediction the day before the january 6th insurrection >> it's not going to happen like you think it's going to happen okay it's going to be quite extraordinarily different. and all i can say is strap in. the war room of posse. you've made this happen. and tomorrow it's game

steve bannon is a big part of this. hus, as i mentioned, telling on themselves. bannon defying the commission but they're still talking about it. navorro went on bannon's show today where they did their own review of the interview and bannon went on to sort of chide them. hey, they're not reasonable. they want to put out this is the way they're going to do things. take a look. >> i couldn't play enough of this. the whole time -- >> hang on. but you see what i did there. >> no, no, no. >> you see what i did there? >> i'm not taking any crap from you. >> ari melber is a trowel. you have to go back -- every time he makes a statement, you have to get up in his fate and refute it. you're trying to pivot, reasonable men can disagree. no, we're not reasonable men. we're unreasonable. unreasonable men are those who change history. we're unreasonable. >> some might be tempted not to take that seriously, and it has a certain style to it. but the man talking was indicted once and pardoned by the federal powers of the person he help

why protect steve bannon >> because i care about american people >> seth: she has the grammar and cadencee lady at buffalo wild wings trying to get everyone's attention after one too many keystone lights [ laughter ] also, you might've noticed there was a weird ending where a random dude just wandered up next to her during the interview. now, if you've ever taken the subway before, you might be thinking, "oh, no, he's about to ask her about scientology. [ laughter ] but -- turns out he's another republican member of congress, and he decided to just crash the interview and pull greene away >> the interview ended, soon after, when fellow republican congressman pete sessions, of texas, walked into the middle of our conversation >> so you doing okay let's get out of here. >> okay. >> but not steve bannon. >> seth: well, even her fellow republicans are like, "marjorie, marjorie, you wandered off maybe you should stay away from the cameras, marjorie. marjorie [ applause ] or at the very least, marjorie, at the very least, use a filter to disguise yourself." [ laughter ] i've never -- i've never

>> so my winner of the year is steve bannon. our country is much less safe and much less democratic and less capable of protectings it citizens than it was a year ago. we all wondered when you split up brady and belichick. who is worse and what is behind what has fallen in america. ground zero for that is steve bannon. this man has won the year. none of us are better off for it but that is the state of american politics in 2021. >> it is interesting. a guy that has four shirts and none of them fit. he looks like a hobo. he has managed to own a president. his plan of he manages to do it. i think he lives for free. i don't know where he makes money but he has managed to destroy and destabilize the country. it is kind of accurate. despite all of the attacks and the fight that we had to destroy this experiment that never worked. i would say black women won the year. the fight like people like stacey abrhams, so many of the women that refused to lay down and stand down and insisted they will continue to push forward. darnella frazier

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steve bannon was about 22 days. what can possibly be going on with the mark meadows referral?>> so i'll play devils advocate here and i think that they're a couple things that might be going on. first of all, there was some cooperation by meadows. we know that he turned over 9000 text messages or something along those lines. second, he does have, or at least there was, potential for executive privilege claims that steve bannon just did not have. so he is in a slightly different footing. i think legally that's irrelevant because the best case that the department of justice can bring is that he simply didn't show up to his deposition. he could've shown up and claimed executive privilege, but he can't just show up -- not show up. i think it's important to understand how these things work. which is, the doj will have to analyze every single communication between the committee and meadows and meadows's attorneys, and meadows's attorneys will make a presentation to the department as to why he should not be charged. so it's unclear how much communication there was and whether that gi

and so i think they'll take this over the outright, you know, stonewalling by steve bannon, and in some cases, mark meadows, because i think this is going to give them a bunch of new trails to pursue. >> we've heard a lot about bannon and meadows. we've heard about members of congress, like scott perry and jim jordan. until relatively recently, nobody was really talking about bernie kerik, even though he's a very close ally of giuliani and trump. he clearly wants some kind of public hearing. what do you think he wants to do, and what do you think the committee wants out of him? >> we, he seems to be trying to walk a fine line of saying, i'm cooperating, don't hold me in contempt, i'm doing what i feed to do in response to your subpoena. but also, i'm still on team trump. i'm still a loyal figure. all the letters to the committee have been, you know, just absolutely packed with these claims that, you know, we found real evidence of fraud. we found it, so if you have me testify, i'm going to show you that the election really was questionable. and so he's saying what he thinks trump may wa

the battle cry from insurrection brave heart steve bannon. bannon who appears to have as many political lives as he does shirts he wears at the same time served at the trump white house until he was fired and then he was charged in federal court with trying to defraud trump supporters until he was pardoned by the former president. he's under indictment now for contempt of congress because he wouldn't honor a subpoena from the january 6th committee. amazingly he's still running a podcast chumming the waters in trump world that the election was stolen. it wasn't. it's a lie. propublica, an investigative journalism outlet broke down hoz bannon has -- as well as other critical county and state party positions, stuff they think you're not going to notice. as a measure of the bannon effect propublica interviewed gop leaders in 65 key counties and 41 reported an unusual increase in sign-ups. the green dots on the map show at least where 8,500 precinct officers joined those county parties since bannon went on the warpath. and look at this chart. prop

i mean, look at steve bannon. steve bannon is the only person they have moved against for criminal contempt, and the case against him, which is now a couple months old, is on a slow boat to nowhere. this is -- the idea that in the middle of january you can start pressuring people through the courts for investigation that's supposed to end in the fall, that's just a fantasy. and i think people need to recognize that for better or for worse that if people don't want to cooperate with this committee, there's nothing they can do about it at this point. that's a sad fact but it's true. >> and the delay strategy might be working. we do want to play for you what liz cheney, of course one of the members of the january 6th committee, had to say and get your reaction. have a listen. >> we know that leader mccarthy was pleading with the president to tell people to go home when police officers and oerps were being beaten here at the capitol. so, you know, i wish that he were a brave and honorable man. he's clearly trying to c

mark meadows and steve bannon have been held in contempt but steve bannon is out there continuing to push the big lie day in and day out. it's frustrating for the american people. >> well, it is frustrating and of course, more than frustrating, it's dangerous that these people continue pushing that big lie, and no more destructive than the big liar himself, donald trump, still out there, even if he was silent this morning, he'll be soon back issuing false statement after false statement. i was glad joe biden called him out today. i was glad he was as forceful as he was. we can't mince words about the danger to our democracy, and that danger is posed by that former president and the lies that he is spewing, so i think we saw very powerful address by joe biden today. i think it was heartening to hear that vigorous defense of democracy and we all ought to view this day as a day of awakening. >> congressman schiff, thank you so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it on this historic day. that wraps up this hour. special coverage to mark one year since at tack on the capitol ha

people like steve bannon, listen, steve bannon does not believe in democracy. he doesn't. he doesn't bereave in people's -- believe in people's right to vote. he wants power. he's willing to do anything necessary to do it. he is extremely dangerous. the people around him are extremely dangerous. he wants to try to put donald trump in as an autocrat, whether the will of the voters want it or not, so we have to take this extremely seriously. >> yeah, pretty sobering as you put it there. let's talk about the tensions on the russia/ukraine border, another sobering situation right now. let's take a listen to what white house press secretary jen psaki said yesterday. >> we have indication that indicates russia's prepositioned a group of op tufs to conduct a false flag operation in eastern ukraine. russia is laying the groundwork. and we've seen this before, we saw this before leading up to 2014 just to note, including through sabotage activities and information operations, by accusing ukraine of preparing an imminent attack against russian forces in eastern ukraine. >> she said

the battle cry from insurrection braveheart steve bannon. bannon, who appears to have as many political lives as he has shirts that he wears at the same time. he was pardoned by the former president. he is under indictment now for contempt of congress because he wouldn't honor a subpoena from the january 6th committee. amazingly, he is still running a podcast, chumming the waters in trump world with red meat hysteria that the election was stolen when it wasn't. it's a lie. propublica broke down how bannon has convinced thousands of trump loyalists to run for positions in local politics, influencing who serves on election boards, school boards, as well as other critical county and state party positions, stuff they think you're not going to notice. to measure the bannon effect, propublica interviewed gop leaders in 65 key counties and 41 report the an unusual increase in sign-ups. the green dots on the map show where at least 8,500 new republican precinct officers joined those county parties since bannon went on the war path. and look at this

and so i name for example, steve bannon, or mark meadows or cash patel, or even myself. none of these folks, including myself, have been questioned by the f, b i or the d o j, or any sort of law enforcement for inforcement because simply, we had nothing to do with those activities. this is clearly a political exercise from the democrats. and again, i don't have anything to hide, so i have no problem going calling about for trying to make a political story out of this. you say it's a political exercise. so the american people have a right to find out as much as possible about what led to the january 6 attack. and though they have a right to expect cooperation from those who may have relevant information. well, i think that you also have to define who is the entity that should be doing that. so when you talk about say law enforcement, f, b, i the d o j. those are the appropriate avenues for finding out if there was, for example, criminal conduct conducted by somebody. but when it comes to effectively just generating a press release and trying to distract away from the fail

other than the this is a more complicated decision than the decision to prosecutor steve bannon.her hand we got an important ruling out of the supreme court last week that firmly rejected donald trump's executive privilege claims. that's mark meadows' defense here. they're not exactly the same but that's a key peep i week surprised if it takes much longer. >> maybe it will happen today. we'll wait and see. thank you so much, as always. >> thanks, ana. >>> three former police officers charged in the murder of george floyd are now on trial. what they're facing, next. >> vo: so when my windshield broke... i found the experts at safelite autoglass. they have exclusive technology and service i can trust. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire we're carvana, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a

a steve bannon talk about it. another republican spoke about it. the professor who set forth the plan in memo that has gone public, we are perfectly well aware of. to this day, there are people asserting that was perfectly fine. he upheld his oath of office, unlike the president on that day and he refused to do it. do it which is why the mob came pounding at our doors. i could hear them chanting "hang mike pence." the members of the house had to flee. for the first time in american history, the peaceful transition of power was interrupted. the process was stopped by this violent attack. it did not even happen in 1861 after the election of abraham lincoln as he was crushing the country to get to washington.

contemplating legislation and hannity is not steve bannon. steve bannon's whole political identity starts and stops with donald trump. there was nothing before. there will be nothing after. sean hannity is, i don't know the right word, he was once for the bush cheney world view. he was once one of the closest cable hosts to the bush white house. he once saw the world that way. he adapts and now sort of sees the world very differently. the way donald trump does. but he's not tucker carlson. he's not laura ingram. he's not made his bed in trump landia and i wonder what you think the prospects are that he comes and he's done nothing wrong, doesn't think donald trump did anything wrong, if he comes and talks to this committee. >> you know, should somebody like hannity decide not to come speak before the committee, i think it says a lot about the perceived power of donald trump. and the idea that donald trump could retaliate in some way. that it could hurt hannity's standing at fox. it could hurt his standing with viewers or his colleagues. otherw

mark meadows, because he, in arguably, committed the crime of contempt of congress, exactly as steve bannonbannon's indicted, meadows is not indicted yet, and really the only reason that he wouldn't be indicted is if there is a political calculation going on at the department of justice, let's hope that is not what's driving their decision, and we see meadows indicted soon. >> all of the different pieces of the puzzle slowly coming together. we'll have a full clear picture very soon. glen, thank you so much for being with us tonight. >>> coming up, president biden visited pennsylvania today, hours after a major bridge collapse. i'll speak to new york congressman ritchie tore es about how biden's infrastructure law might help prevent future accidents like this one and how republicans who voted against that law are now taking credit for it. we'll be right back. that law are now taking credit for it for it we'll be right back. works on that too, and lasts 12 hours. for it we'll be right back. 12 hours?! who studies that long? mucinex dm relieves wet and dry coughs. i brought in ensure max prot

the evidence and go after people that committed the crimes and a daily nonstop story because as steve bannond he wants to flood the zone with the "s" word and americans are like mbe we don't know. every single day drum beat from now to the midterms to tell people what the republican party is and the elected officials in office are doing the deed of president trump spreading the big lie. this is the entire gop right now committed to the big lie and radicalized and if they take over to 2022 that's the end of democracy and will have authoritarianism. >> i want to know what you think and as we enter the next period where there are more public hearings and changes the contours of this discourse. >> i think the public hearings are critical because look. i think that whether we like it or not americans are over this story as depressing as that is because he is right about the existential stakes but a reason that january 6 sort of faded into the background besides the fact that people deal with threats to their life, the pandemic, the inflation, but also, not that much has really happened in the for

. >> there's a new study today that shows steve bannon and sean hannity on rush limbaugh were perpetuating lie, ample flying the big law. they said joe biden was still in the election. that is a big lie. but trump was persuaded not to do that. how does that change the dynamic? >> clearly there are a lot of republicans on capitol hill who are having a sigh of relief. they were dreading this split screen we're having tomorrow where you have folks at the capitol giving testimonials, talking about their experience, about the one time in american history where we had u.s. citizens storm the capitol, but side by side with former president trump down at mar-a-lago, praising the rioters and trying to sort of whitewash the significance of what happened. so a lot of lawmakers on the hill were concerned about this. we were hearing last night at playbook that a number of trump allies, people who are still very close with him, confronted him and told him this was going to be a really bad media cycle for him if he did this and got him to back down. one less thing republicans have to worry about. i think

steve bannon is telling people overthrow your county clerks and run for secretary of state.le when don't believe in free and fair elections are taking over these election positions. people need to defend democracy at the state and local level doing whatever they can, whether it's becoming a poll worker and election judge. whether it's helping people decide to make sure their ballots are count, whether it's deciding to run for office or volunteering in campaigns. we're not that far from electing a majority in congress that will protect american democracy, so we also need a political solution come is for people to actually believe in voting rights. it's amazing to me that joe manchin and kyrsten sinema voted against his own bill. how did joe manchin oppose his own bill so we need 50 democrats in the senate to do whatever it takes to pass voting rights and not just give lip service to it. >> steve, the historian john meacham said to me rather than polling the performance of the president, we should be polling our performance as citizens. this is a crisis of citizenship, but in

also reported by woodward and costa was steve bannon's role in pushing the plan.re going bury biden on january 6, f-ing bury him. >> pence says he's talked to all of the lawyers that he can talk to, and he has decided that he can't. he doesn't have the power that the president says he has. and trump turns on him. yells at him. says that essentially he's betrayed him and the meeting doesn't end very well between the two men. >> but that did not stop the president from publicly pressuring the vice president on twitter ahead of the certification. >>> up next -- >> we were on a conference call and i told kevin mccarthy when people are convinced that the election was stolen and there is a route out, there is going to be violence. his response was simply "operator, next caller." three times the electorlytes and half the sugar. ♪ pedialyte powder packs. feel better fast. (birds chirping) ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ (phone beep) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ (music quieter) ♪ (phone clicks) ♪ ♪ i lost 26 pounds and i feel incredible. with the new personalpoints program, i answer questions about m

got built but steve bannon got a million dollars for expenses. he got pardoned for that. we could go down an long list of people that were enrimp ingenri themselves who donald trump pardoned. another thing that the people in that rally, i hope will remember is that donald trump actually had the opportunity to pardon the rioters, the insurrectionists after january 6th because he was still in office and he chose not to. what's very clear to me and i would read it as the subtext of that offer goes to the incitement point that i think david made so clearly, which is i will have the power, if you help me get it and have a bigger set of rallies than january 6th. that's excrutiatingly dangerous and disturbing. it's no surprise. >> talk about the pardon for january 6th people, that's incentivizing people for these other demonstrations and actions he wants to have. now people i'll take care of you. they thought that would be the case. now they have this explicit understanding with trump that if you do what i want you to do targeting these racist black pro

and, you know, they saw steve bannon there periodically i guess -- >> to do exactly what? this was to do exactly what? to continue to spread lies or -- >> to continue to pursue the big lie. >> but not to get people to the capitol? is that -- >> that apparently is what he is contending this is not what this was about. >> interesting. he previously provided documents to the committee and went through them during his testimony. >> he did, exactly. he had provided documents before, and finally after a bit of a back and forth decided to provide this interview to explain what was going on in those rooms. >> evan perez. >> good to see you, don. >> good tee to you as well. there's a lot going on. thank you, avenue an. the indictment today is a huge moment of the investigation of the attack on the capitol january 6th. so what about lawmakers who had been trying to whitewash the whole thing? what do they think now? designed to help you keep more of what you earn. this is the planning effect. for people living with h-i-v, keep being you. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy i

steve bannon was recently indicted for contempt of congress charges after failing to comply with theal on his podcast featuring marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz and trump's supporters in the way he characterizes to us that if kevin mccarthy won't program green and gaetz will. what we have seen from bannon and gaetz and other allies, we can expect of a strong attack and making some of these rioters like ashley babbit died on as m. >> we know the former president uses that term loosely. do we have any sense of trump's team feeling inquiry from reporters? >> it's a great question. what we have heard so far that his press conference at mar-a-lago is a full attack. it's unclear on our reporting that we don't have whether he's going to be taking questions. we know he's going to be leaning hard into attacking the january 6th committee, pelosi, he's going to call it a witch hunt and sources familiar to his speech and plans to really embrace what happened on january 6th. this is significant. we obviously seen the former president railed against this committee and how democrats are percei

now, look, mark meadows is definitely a more complicated case than steve bannon.other hand last week we got this ruling from the supreme court that really gutted donald trump's executive privilege arguments, and it wasn't even based on donald trump being the former president. they just said even if he was the current president, his executive privilege claims lack so much merit that we can essentially throw them out here and now. there was some speculation maybe doj is waiting for that opinion. that was last week, that was a week and a half ago already so i'm not sure what they're waiting for and i hope we get a decision one way or another soon. >> elie honig, thank you, sir. i appreciate it. >>> i want to turn now to cnn white house correspondent john harwood. good evening to you. president biden spoke to the ukrainian president zelensky for an hour, an hour and 20 minutes tonight, and it apparently didn't go so well. what are you hearing about that conversation, john? >> well, we're hearing different things from both sides, don. from the ukrainian side, there was

. >> navarro publicly asserts that he, steve bannon and trump had a plan that would then cancel out the loss that trump experienced. is that type of planning under investigation in your committee? and what is your respond to it? >> let's just say what he said is complete bunk. there is an opportunity to challenge electoral counts. that happens before the electoral college meets. that was done by the former president repeatedly, and courts and election officials couldn't find any evidence, no evidenceal at all to this moment has been uncovered. that's a coup by any other name. i do think that we need to remove any ambiguousities from the electoral count act. we're doing some work on that in the committee. in the house administration committee i chair that has now been transferred over to the january 6th workforce with our lawyers from house admin assisting, and i hope we'll have a bipartisan bill we can move forward, but tightening it up so people can't do wrong and engage in mischief is the not the same as saying this is a lawful procedure. >> do you think the investigation will include

, trump advisor steve bannon when he defied subpoenas to testify. now, in the bannon case, it took the u.s. justice department just three weeks after they got the referral for him to actually decide that they were going to prosecute him and to obtain the indictment that they obtained against him. it took three weeks with bannon. it's been longer than that already for meadows. it's been longer that the u.s. justice department, the federal prosecutor's office in d.c. has been considering this referral to prosecute trump's white house chief of staff for the same thing. again, it will be a month even by the end of this week. so far we've heard nothing about what the justice department is going to do. the reason i say that is increasingly on my mind is because for the last few days here, we have been reporting on emerging evidence that in not one, not two, not three, not four, but five, in at least five different states, republicans appear to have forged fake documents purporting to be the electoral slates from these five states. they put themselves forwa

yes, that steve bannon. the man currently facing contempt charges for his refusal to comply with subpoenas from the house committee investigating the attack. but the tone deaf comments didn't stop in washington. here's what florida governor ron desantis, who many view as the future of the republican party, had to say on thursday. >> you are going to see the d.c. new york media, i mean this is their christmas, january 6th. okay? they are going to take this and milk this for anything they could to try to be able to smear anyone whoever supported donald trump. i think it will end up being just a politicized charlie foxtrot today. >> if anyone has politicized january 6th, it is your party. it is the gop. it is republicans. they have turned election denialism into a key part of the party's platform. the big lie is on a nationwide tour and it's coming to a city near you. across the country, at least 163 republicans who have embraced trump's election lie are running for statewide positions which would guarantee the

it's about how many clicks and likes and dollars get funneled into accounts that's what steve bannon is doing and what the speaker is doing. this funds an underlying operation. once the ballots are cast, you have to have the money in place to put the challenges in place. on your way to casting the ballots, you have to have the cash in place to make sure the people who need to get paid to take care of certain things or certain ends of the business, they are paid. so there's a lot hr. this run up is not about establishing a narrative around policy. mitch mcconnell has already told us that. what are you for? wait and find out. give us the power, and then we'll let you know. so as i have been saying for the past six or seven months, and i will continue to emphasize this through november, america, what's your priority here? i get it. there's a lot to be upset at joe biden about. there's a they mishandled politically, but at the end of the day, when you stack up this administration against the previous administration, when you stack up the leadership in the house and the senate against tho

remember, rudy was having -- and steve bannon were having more conversations with donald trump in this time period than his own family members were. i covered prosecutors for a long time, so i sometimes think like them. but these are concentric circles of witnesses. as we get closer and closer, what's happened? we are getting towards sort of the end. you can feel not the very end, but close to the end. and the committee's had all this time, 400 witnesses they have already interviewed. you can imagine that strategically what they have done is moved through the circles. they have talked to people who talked to rudy giuliani or on the receiving end of his emails, spoke with sidney powell when she gave her slightly cuckoo for cocoa puffs claim that venezuela had somehow interfered in our election through machines designed by hugo chavez. you can imagine these concentric circles are closing in where the committee has information about what these four people saw, did, said, and they want to ask them-point blank, do you dispute this? another thing that's really important is these individuals