ask steve bannon. is steve bannon here? i do not see steve bannon? i did not see steve bannon? steve bannon. [laughter] frederick douglass isn't here, and that is because he is dead. someone please tell the president. [applause] mike pence wanted to be here tonight, but his wife would not let him because one of you ladies is ovulating, so good job . without you we could've hung out with mike pence. [laughter] now yvonne can trump is not -- ivanka trump is not here either. if she was, i know the question we are all thinking, why, why do you support this man? because i get it, we all love our parents, but we would not endorse him for president. it's like, hey, it is fun. should your dad be president of the united states? i would be like, my dad would -- [laughter] the guy who tries to return his underwear to costco? [laughter] no. [laughter] jeff sessions is going to be here tonight, but he was busy doing a pre-civil war reenactment. [laughter] on his rsvp he wrote, no, just know, which is his second favorite n-word. even hillary clinton couldn't be here tonight. somebody told he

i'm not talking about the steve bannons or mark meadows.king about the people they rely on, the aides, the assistants, the people who got directives. we all know that people like mark meadows and steve bannon and anyone in the upper echelon rely on minions to get things done. that's who they trust. that's who's been talking to the committee. this committee has been able to construct a minute by minute accounting because they got it from those people. they don't neat steve bannon. they don't need mark meadows per se. at this time most effective way to convey to the american people what happened is chronologically and take them minute by minute. use footage, emails, testimony. use all the tools you have at your disposal to tell that story. >> so, i'm also thinking, and we talk about in all the time. i see your tweets, everybody else tweeting about this. there's a terrible moment with the republicans and our immediate reaction is like, that should be an ad. that's the only one you're going to need. should they have a rapid response team right

steve bannon _ eight months. that's an interesting point. steve bannon is _ eight months.d. is that worry you? no, they will not get _ said. is that worry you? no, they will not get back into _ said. is that worry you? no, they will not get back into power. - said. is that worry you? no, they will not get back into power. i. will not get back into power. i honoured my oath to the constitution and i serve my country and i stand by that more today than i ever did. thank you for answering our questions. another 36 monkeypox cases have been detected in the uk, taking the total here to 56. all the new infections are in england. another 85 cases have been identified in eight eu countries. dr david heymann, who chairs an expert group at the who, described the outbreak in europe as "a random event" and of low risk to the wider public. it's thought the virus that might have been spread by sexual transmission among gay and bisexual men, at two raves in spain and belgium. thank you forjoining us. 57 cases here in the uk, given that there is an incubation period of two weeks for monke

done and eric and that's only those the only ones i want him taking advice from other than maybe steve bannon if steve can. behave so sorry about that. got a question over here. repeat the questioner. roman goalash the question i have larry is if trump were president. do you think putin would have invaded ukraine? no, not a chance not a chance and but here's another interesting thought question. maybe and i know we're enduring some horrible stuff, and i know what bite me is doing is just terrible. but maybe it's better that trump wasn't in with a lukewarm senate and a lukewarm house. maybe we need to refine these people for another four years so that when they come through the fire, you know the story about gideon in the bible and how he was sent down to fight an army and he had 30,000 men and god said that's too many. you need to get rid of him because they're not committed and he gave them a test. have them go draw water out of the lake and if they lap it up, i forget the story they lap it up. they stay and they put in their hands. they they go i forget that so it gets rid of he gets rid of

to date they only proceeded with the subpoena enforcement with steve bannon.try a civil enforcement proceeding in the courts, and that also takes time. they set a strict timeline to get the hearings done by the end of june. and the possibility that you raise, they keep it within the legislative branch and they try to find something they can take away from the members or a sanction that could convince them to testify, and will that really persuade these members to testify? i think there's a big question mark there. >> i have one idea that could persuade them to testify, carol? that would be this. do they want their subpoenas complied with if they are in the majority? >> that comes to the unprecedented nature of this. you know, chuck, i think that when you are looking at this picture as a -- as is the committee going to, quote, win, by getting the subpoenas complied with, or are the representatives going to win by playing out the clock, i think that's assuming that the members of the committee really think they will comply with the subpoena. i know statements ha

bureaucrats and paying them to keep the bureaucracy smaller. >> this is actually a suggestion by steve bannon, which is very good. i said i would give you three mans for hope here. first, what do we do about the small? this is one thing you can do this is bannon suggestion. you buy these people out. buy out their contracts. you say, i will pay you 20% more of your remaining salary to get out, retire now. this is going to cost a lot of money but it is a onetime advancement. once that person is out of that job, what do you do? closed the job! it's no longer open for business. you no longer staff that job again. believe me, you can get rid of a lot of washington if you were to get up and buy out these jobs. that is suggestion number one. you have to get the bureaucracy out of d.c.. you have to get the administrative state out of d.c.. trump actually started to do this. he began started moving the bureau of land management and interior offices out to omaha, nebraska. farmington -- i say put them all in farmington, in mexico. you'll never hear from then again, right? anybody been to farmington? lo

steve bannon was easy, mark meadows a little bit more complicated.ink that rudy giuliani is in his own category. he is in the rear space as trump's lawyer for a long time, in a informal role. he was not subpoenaed. he said at one point. it is really difficult to figure out how quickly that could go forward with a criminal referral coming out of this, how quickly the doj could move forward the prosecution. >> right, he was an attorney but not on retainer, he was being paid by someone else water president trump, very out situation. switching gears a little bit, ryan. the committee also wants to speak with the number of republican, what do they want to do this? >> yeah, there are numbers are very key tillis. they were involved in some of these talks, there is a lot of lengths and one degrees of separation between some of these more extremist groups that actually did engage in violence and some of these members of congress. they want to get a hold on how involved a were and how much of wednesday had and some of the potential for violence that day. there

trump on january 6th. >> we have all of the options that would be available to us for someone like steve bannonws, and then additional options because they're members of congress. >> like bannon or meadows, who have been held in contempt. bannon currently facing criminal charges for stonewalling the probe. the legal heat is on these five house members. it is also on the panel to follow through with those threats. so far none of the five house gop lawmakers has said if they were comply with the committee's request, and republicans are furious, opening a pandora's box of retaliation with the gop feeling more emboldened than ever. that's according to "axios." sources saying to prepare for committee removals, retaliatory subpoenas and even impeachments if republicans take back the house in the upcoming midterm elections. joining me former watergate prosecutor jill winebanks. i want you to take a listen to what committee chairman bennie thompson said today. >> i think the precedent ought to be for republicans to honor the subpoenas. if republicans choose not to and then they take control of the hous

[ laughter ] after he pulled out, rudy went on steve bannon's podcast to explain his decision and didhimself any favors. >> are you saying your concern is they would doctor the tape and hold it back [ laughter ] >> you want -- >> come on would they - >> this is not your first rodeo? it's not your first rodeo? >> you got a bunch of people on that committee that tried to frame a sitting president of the united states. and i'm gonna trust them do i look like a fool? >> seth: do you look like a fool [ laughter ] well - ♪ ♪ [ laughter ] ♪ we've used that last photo so often, i've started keeping one on my wallet now for emergencies. there they go. [ laughter ] it's fun when i say, "you want to see a picture of my son?" [ laughter ] "aah!" anyway, the important point is, now that rudy is refusing to testify, the committee is threatening to hold him in contempt >> giuliani's decision to stonewall the committee now puts him on the very same path as other trump allies, like mark meadows, dan scavino, and steve bannon the panel today dangling the prospect of holding giuliani in contempt, saying

people like dance could be no, peter navarro, mark meadows, steve bannon. the justice department has been slow to act on the majority of those. i believe it is only see fan in the justice department has formally charged with criminal charges. so it begs the question, how quickly would the eternal attorney general be willing to intervene in potential criminal charges for sitting lawmakers. so the committee is really faced with a difficult decision here. not many options as we move forward with this, symone. it sounds like it, ali. i know there's a difference between what lawmakers can do and what they are willing to do. so i know that you will be watching that. before you go, ali, i am wondering what happens next? we have the subpoenas, but aren't there hearings coming up very soon? >> yeah, and the first of those, that series of hearings is expected to begin on tonight. so there are a lot of boxes left to check for the committee before this weekend. we know right now, there are several. i believe three different dates that all five of these lawmakers have.

and work to dismantle the administrative state a cost that steve bannon has embraced with relish steve brannon's literally been open in canada about the fact that his goal is to dismantle the administrative state. so in many ways one of the things that the the revanchist wright has done is say the government which again granted rights to all is the enemy itself hauling into question legitimacy of all their decisions. so that's number one and that's been a big factor. i think number two has been the normalization of extremism now again, the john birch society the kkk, i mean these anti these sort of call them pro white. um, these pro white militia types of always been out there, but they gain even greater legitimacy after the return of veterans from vietnam the vietnam war and then the first gulf war as some, you know writers like katherine balloon from chicago have written about where you had this veteran class who came back and didn't get all of the you know, i think society did not embrace them. it didn't give them all the respect that they deserved. so you have this this kind of ang

jd vance went on steve bannon's podcast just before russia invaded ukraine, sparking one of the -- russia'sion of ukraine sparked one of the biggest challenges to the post-cold war order and jd vance said this about it. quote, i don't really care what happens to ukraine one way or another. the only thing stopping jd vance and the candidates like him across this country who were hoping to rise to power and potentially help pave the way for donald trump to return to the white house one way or another, right? the democratic party and its voters, many of whom are now energized, traumatized and enraged by the possibility of the conservative majority on the u.s. supreme court ending the constitutional right to abortion access in america. once again, from sarah longwell and the times, whether trump's handpicked candidates win or want, the republicans that emerge from the primary battles will be overwhelmingly trumpy. if brian kemp and a handful of the elected officials who voted to impeach trump survive their primaries it will be good for democracy, but it will not be sufficient to blunt trump's w

the spokesperson was a combination of rudy giuliani and steve bannon, who are not credible individuals in the topper of that was the wall street journal had reviewed the same substance and declined it. people in the states think that the wall street journal is reliable. they said, we cannot posted. -- post it. fox news said they cannot publish this. it doesn't meet our editorial standards. same outlet that has no trouble lying past on the story. it ended up at the post. the way you treat gossett. that is where it ran. the issue there is they did not provide any talk -- editorial guidance or standards. the post is not credible enough to stand on its own authority and it violated its story. it is not like it is suppressed. no one stopping to engage in discussion. the only thing twitter did in don't write sees it as a conspiracy, the one story as it existed, we will not allow it to be attributed because it violates our leaks center. there were claims in there, conveniently, that had been dropped. it was not like the story itself. it is not like the original story did not hold all the way

now he has taken a different route than other people close to the president like steve bannon. they are face ing a contempt of congress charge. what does the committee do with the information giuliani presented to them? they have a series of high-stakes public hearings that will take place in the month of june. and we'll have to see if what giuliani toad ld them this week will be part of that report. >>> and we're learning that ginny thomas urged lawmakers to overturn biden's win. she asked two states to unilaterally choose the electors. critics have questioned justice clarence thomas' involvement earlier this year. thomas was the only justice to publicly dissent from the decision. >>> officials in pennsylvania are still counting ballots in the state's republican senate primary, and trump-endorsed tv personality dr. oz is still holding a slim edge over david mccormick. the race is likely headed to an automatic recount. whoever wins the republican primary will face democrat john fetterman this fall in the general election. >>> it's a heartbreaking time in buffalo, new york after

guys are independent and no matter what the rules are thinking if you are outside the house, like steve bannonwhy did they not do it earlier if they are so important to the investigation? >> they wanted to wait until they had more information and to understand more of what is going on. it becomes incumbent to go after these people to see what they know and what they can say. leader mccarthy was very much involved and we know he talked to the president in the middle of the insurrection. we know that he says the president has some responsibility. the committee wants to get it from him. same with brooks who participated and jim jordan. these people are important and the committee believes they need to get it from their lips, so to speak. >> what do you see happening next? how does this in unfold? >> they have conducted about 1000 interviews and they start at the bottom and they talk to people who are tangentially related. you build a case which is what you do with a major case and then with the guy at the top, they wrap this up with eight televised sessions next month and then we will see that if

that it was something he had passed on, i have some reporting that it was a steve bannon plan.ior is a limited witness. there are others like kushner and ivanka trump who worked in the white house at that time. >> we have remarkable discussion talking about invoking the 25th amendment. >> i think what have been cited by the democrats so far are the 25th amendment which are not exactly an elegant solution here. >> that takes too long here. >> yeah, correct. if the president were to submit a letter overruling the cabinet and vice press, two-thirds. impeachment has been discussed and i think they want him to redesign which i don't see happening either. >> when talking about the 25th amendment. his response isn't that he wants to evoke it but that it takes too long. what is your reaction to that? >> i think he was looking and we knew some of this at the time. we were reporting whether he should call on president trump to resign and on the options. i'm not sure he was endorsing that but saying, yes, this was a terrible thing and this doesn't apply here. he was entertaining all of hi

it's no wonder steve bannon called viktor orban, trump before trump.nd as my therapist, will tell you, i've been to a ton of trump rallies. so i brought along a trusty translator to see just how similar an orban rally is to a maga rally. first up, the merch table. do you have any orban pictures specifically with him shirtless, writing a velociraptor? tyrannosaurus rex? - just the flags that basically hungarian reference. - that have any profanity on it whatsoever. - no, it's just a-- - just a straight flag? - just a straightforward flag. - good luck with the sales today. you don't need to say that one. - merch, check. lock her up. i thought i heard lock her up. okay, maybe some things are a little lost in translation, but still, chants, check. are there going to be any let's go, brandon chants here? do you know, let's go, brandon? i see signs. do you know let's go, brandon? okay, so people are chanting. it was at a nascar. do you know, nascar? - nascar. - nascar, it's like formula one. it's in a circle, it's more boring. they might shout different slog

and apparently steve bannon wasn't far from him at the time. it's unfortunate, but it's not surprising. >> also, at the same time, don, it's unfortunate she said that, that it's the worst state she's lived in. there are worse things to go after stacey abrams on, her issues of georgia. those should be the focus of any spot the way per do you was goi going at it earlier. this is the best state. that's why i'm running for governor. this was not the way to do t. alice, can i talk to you about this other key pras we're watching. that's the alabama-and the president asked him to be part of the 2022 election. is this a race a referendum on the big lie? >> it appears that brooks is really making up some ground. what this boils down to, again, not focusing on the past, focusing on the future and in this case on the issues important to the people of alabama. mel brooks was a dead man walking not too long ago, but really worked in terms of meeting with the people, grassroots campaign getting good seizure and the moving forward of republicans is in novembe

we have one indictment by the department of justice against steve bannon and three others pending. it's been a number of months. we're already at may 12th. i think the leikelihood of that being done is low. they're trying to present is fullest picture they can to the american people. >> do do you think it will be more subpoenas? >> i actually think it will be. a member of the committee said she would not rule that out. i know from multiple sources they are still collecting evidence. i will tell you a lot of people today said they were not surprised by these subpoenas. i've been talking to members of t the committee now. i was not surprised i did not know or think they would necessarily go here because of the political ramifications. i think between now and when the hearing start, we'll see more of this. >> all right. thank you. appreciate it. make sure you check out dana's interview with nancy pelosi. that's sunday morning at 9:00. >>> supreme court justice meeting today behind closed doors for the first time of the bombshell leak of the draft opinion that would over turn roe v wad

and they're of course excluding people like steve bannon and mark meadows, and ska veno and navarro. >> i thought it was interesting what mo brooks talked about, that the president, former president of the united states, has contacted him several times to, i don't know, do what, overturn the election and rescind the ratification? i don't know what he is asking mo brooks to do. i'm in the quite sure what mo brooks is capable of doing. but mo brooks has asserted that they want to hold, or there was scheming h involved to try to hd a special election for the presidency. have you uncovered whatever that plot is? >> well, mo brooks makes an attempt to a point, ali, because this is really a continuing effort to overthrow our system of government. donald trump has never conceded defeat to joe biden. and his c supporters, like pro brooks are out there saying that donald trump is the rightful winner, andna we're very curiou about what mo brooks is referring to when heur talks abt continuing efforts to get congress to rescindut the election. there of course is no provision inth the u.s. consti

giuliani has taken a different route than other souts of the former president, including steve bannons who have defied the committee's request to appear. they're facing a criminal contempt charge. what does the committee do with the information giuliani provided to them? they have a series of high-stakes public hearings that will take place in the month of june. we'll have to see if what giuliani told them this week will be any part of that report. ryan nobles, cnn, washington. >>> coming up, actress ellen bar kin taking the stand in johnny depp's defamation case against amber heard. >> he's just a jealous man, controlling. where are you going? who are you going with? what did you do last night? yeah, you'llll get used to it. this mom's depositing money with tools on-handnd. cha ching. and this mom, , well, she's setting an appointment here, so her son can get set up there and start his own financial journey. that's because these moms all have chase. smart bankers. convenient tools. one bank with the power of both. chase. make more of what's yours. what do you think healthier looks li

steve bannon, racist. sebastian gorka, racist. you know who is most racist of all?ublicans who criticized ralph northam for wearing black face and a kkk outfit. you are racist if you notice racism as long as a racist is a democrat. [laughs] it's so awesome. give that girl a big job. you may be rolling your eyes because you have heard all of this a million times with ice cream and shakespeare racist, but think about it for a second, this is the person, the biden administration hired to tell the rest of us what joe biden really means when he says for example he is going to kill vladimir putin. how long until this person calls him a racist? she probably artie has. how was i going to turn out in the middle of a war? we don't have to wait long to find out. here's an incredibly racist thing according to america's new press secretary. voter identification laws, you will find those laws in every country on the planet including africa, but that does not make them any less racist. >> in order to get these voter suppression laws besides gutting the voting rights act, you also

now, we've seen that with steve bannon. steve bannon was not cooperative with the committee. the justice department decided to prosecute him. same thing happened with mark meadows dove the doj has not prosecuted him so if you don't hold them in contempt on the house floor, what is your remedy here? members of congress, if they decide not to cooperate with the committee in this instance which is pretty rare, that's rather extraordinary and they don't do this very often. i don't want to say that this is unprecedented necessarily, but it is exceptional, because you have that internal process, but here's the bottom line. this is what this is all about. the one-six committee, neil, is going to begin its hearings in early june, around june 9 and so what they need to do between now and early june is start to curate a narrative, what did these members know? how involved were these members? of course moe brooks was speaking down at the ellipse telling people to go to the united states capitol and it was time to take names and kick some blank. that was the line that he used speaking at

they did charge steve bannon but there's been others they have not charged, at least not yet. >> look, i get giuliani saying i want this to be public, i want this to be a spectacle and i understand why the committee doesn't. this leads to a larger question that i'm concerned about, kurt. later on this year, we know the january 6th committee will have these public hearings. is there a legitimate fear and concern? giuliani wants it public because he knows how to manipulate the giroud. is there a chance that the people will lose the narrative. >> you know, jason, this is where i think kevin mccarthy really screwed up. when he vacated the committee and dictated that his members and caucus would not participate in that committee. he sundayed the ability really to make this a show. we see this all the time in other proceedings. we saw it with the supreme court confirmation hearings and steen with characters like jim jordan and matt gaetz hijacking the proceeding with their shenanigans and their cleanery. that's not going to happen because the two republicans on this committee, liz chain and

. >> we have all of the options that would be available to us for someone like steve bannon, or mark meadows, and then additional options because there are members of congress. >> of course, bannon and meadows were held in contempt, bannon now facing criminal charges for stonewalling the investigation. as the committee waits to hear from the gop house members. politico issued this report, another subpoena has gone out to a former aide to mark meadows. cassidy hutchinson, worked with meadows during trump's final days in the white house. she has already had two conversations with the committee. and the panel now wants a third. >> there is no question that hutchinson from her position dealing with legislative affairs has information, and visibility regarding a relationship between the white house, and capitol hill, that are a key focus for the select committee investigators in these final weeks. >> the 1-6 committee has also been looking to efforts to pressure mike pence to overturn the 2020 election. today, we learned the former vice president will be campaigning with governor brian ke

only steve bannon has been indicted. we're still awaiting mark meadows, peter nevada arrow, dan scavino. then you have inherent contempt of congress, which is a long dormant weapon in congresses enforcement arsenal. will they pull out their weapon of inherent contempt, and use it against some of their own members if they did defy subpoenas? that would kind of feel like just desserts. then, of course, we have civil enforcement, which can be a long unwieldy process in the civil court. so, yes they should be taken seriously. we have all the usual enforcement mechanisms, but it remains to be seen, what will they do, will they comply or will they defy? >> so, let's start with brooks because he's so obvious. one of the things, and the world of executive privilege is this idea of waving it if you talk about the thing an issue. there's a little bit, it seems to me, of a parallel. which is brooks has been going around blabbing because trump decided to an endorsement because he's doing poorly in his primary, and he's going around

thomas dixon who wrote "birth of a nation" and woodrow wilson in the oval office, like trump and steve bannonecame policy, a basis to justify racism and then what happened in 1915 that they played that movie and then nearly 100 black men were killed and in 1919 riots broke out all over the country. the krug was celebrated as somehow protecting the country from replacement and the people who did that also came against women's rights and labor movement and what do we do? i want to ask what did people do then when they had their pain? you know what they did? the naacp built a black/white coalition, not just a plaque response to this. what happened? women took those tears and won the right to vote. what happened? preachers starting preaching the social gospel movement like never before, white and black and raisinging the -- the harlem renaissance came and they started writing poems of resistance, if we must die threat not be like hogs. america has never been america for me. what happened in that period? what did they do with their tears? a. philip randolph said we're going to start planning for a

>> yeah, but i think steve bannon was charged criminally. on ultimately he will go to trial. he will be convicted. but it's a slow process, it's not the best process. what you really want is a testimony, i think there are better ways to get it. and mark meadows, i don't think he had skated by any means whatsoever. one reason he hasn't been charged with defying the subpoena, is because they have bigger plans for him. >> figure plans? i will be here for that! barbara mcquade, you always make a smarter. every time you are here. former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, and professor of the university of michigan school of law. thank you. when we come back, the response to the january 6th attack, and the investigation into it that has the guided our country like so many other things! even the shootings that left 19 children and two teachers dead in texas, again, dividing our nation. when we come back, historian ruth benji ask, talks about the divide in america and divisions across the world! he world the deadly shooting in uvalde texas is calling action once agai

giuliani has taken different routes than other associates of the former president including steve bannonadows who have both defied the fitty's request to appear before them. they're now facing a criminal contempt of congress charge. so the question is what does the committee do with this information giuliani provided to them? of course they do a series of high stakes public hearings that will take place in the month of june, and we'll have to see if giuliani told them this week will be a part of that report. ryan nobles, cnn, washington. >> our thanks to ryan nobles for that. and one of the most restrictive abortion bills in the country awaits the oklahoma governor's signature. and if he signs it, that law would allow private citizens to sue providers who knowingly offer women an abortion. we'll have that full story next. stay with us. get more with neutrogena® retinol pro plus. a powerful .5% retinolol that's also gentle on skin. for wrinkle results in one week. neutrogena®. for people with skin. this is roundup for lawns. this stuff works. this stuff kills weeds down to the root withou

and the night before the invasion, steve bannon, who is a big orban booster, on his podcast he was sayingwas rooting for putin too because he ain't woke. they like orban because he's authoritarian, autocratic, and he opposes equal rights for lbgtq community. he banned same-sex marriages. he is restricting muslim immigration. in the culture wars, that's what he is doing there. it's not about policy. it's about here is an ally and a soul mate. he is their soul mate not just running but winning a lot of the culture wars they want to have here in the united states. >> right. and i know that -- you use the word winning loosely. win anything a society where one person controls the rules and the outcome, which is what he is doing or putin is doing, is attractive to people who don't believe in fair rules to begin with. but it's certainly not a way to self-govern. the tucker/orban thing is interesting. people might have missed it because it seemed initially random. there are plenty of places you can go abroad just talking to foreign leaders. here's a little bit of their exchange. >> so in 2015, hu

to department of justice asking them to indict mark meadows, former chief of staff, to indict steve bannonhey've done, they have not moved on mark meadows. they've gone to great pains to not just share information back and forth without any cooperation or coordination or without a specific request. and the fact they made a specific request and the committee turned them down, shows they're not coordinated in any way, shape or form. >> yeah, this is potentially a significant development we are watching. ryan nobles on capitol hill. thank you very, very much. >>> up next, john king is getting ready to preview a very busy an important night of primary races here in the united states. stay with us. we'll update you when we come back. good thing adding lysol laundry sanitizer kills 99.9% of bacteria that d detergents can't. clean is g good, sanitized is better. ♪ at adp, we use data-driven insights to design solutions to help you manage payroll, benefits, and hr today, so you can have more success tomorrow. ♪ one thing leads to another, yeah, yeah ♪ we need to reduce plastic waste in the environ

i'm going to cite the kevin mccarthy, steve bannon exceptions. i could make that argument from jail because that's how -- i'd be writing my arguments from jail being like i don't have to support the subpoena, right? what hasn't happened to these republicans is they haven't had to do their arguments from jail because the department of justice, the law enforcement branch of our government has not taken the steps to enforce the subpoenas from the january 6th committee and that is -- that is where we are. >> that's where the problem seems to be. david, thank you for being here. kim well, she's a constitutional law professor. she laid out some of the options that congress really could theoretically take. she wrote in "the atlantic" they could ask the justice department to prosecute. secondly it can rely on the inherent authority to have the sargeant of arms for the house detain, bring to the floor and ultimately imprison the violator or, third, it can file a civil action directing compliance and ask the court to issue a contempt of court citation if t

howard: let me ask you about steve bannon. in public but privately was feeding barrels of bull to journalists. explain. >> that is the true. look, steve and i had a good relationship are. we were in the foxhole together with a couple of other people like jared and the president himself, a very small team that going to done. i think for me this hits close to home because so many of these folks wanted to prove i was a leaker. i have an entire chapter called how to spot a leaker, and it relates to conversation i had with the president. leakers get great press. does anybody really think that's me? leakers are constantly complimenting people like me, i don't know how you go out there and talk to the media, kelly. i think people need to know the truth about who was feeding the media. howard: and someone else who accused you, as you write, unfairly, in your view, is jared kushner who you town if difficult to work with. >> jared did not want to work with me, apparently, on any number of things the president wanted us to collaborate on

they did that with steve bannon, his trial comes up in july. that with mark meadows, the former white house chief of staff. however, he has not gone to trial. the department of justice has not decided to prosecute him despite the 1/6 committee issuing a somebody, he did not cooperate, he was to be in contempt of congress. what it accomplishes is unclear other than putting the pressure on them, but cures the narrative. around june 9th the 1/6 committee will hold hearings and if they hone in on the members who are not cooperative and bring in other witnesses, people we might not have heard about and say this is what mccarthy knew or brooks did or something like that, this helps to curate the narrative and then the committee could say the sitting members of congress, these republicans were not playing ball with this very important investigation, john. >> john: historian there, how unusual is it for a committee to subpoena a sitting member of congress? >> it's exceptional. it does not typically happen. because you have the provision in article 1, s

you have people like steve bannon, trump's former adviser who was able to channel that energy and isnent figure in the republican party, he's not necessarily able to translate that into a directive to voters as to what to do with their votes in other elections. >> so i'm going to go through some of the endorsements he's had. there is a pattern developing. if you look at the endorsement, he endorsed the lieutenant governor in idaho. she lost. j.d. vance in ohio, 32%. oz, 32%. kau kaufman, 32%. you see the 30 number a lot. there's a long way to go in the primary season, but you talk about pennsylvania, dr. oz, kathy barnette who said she was maga before trump got a decent part of the vote. do think think he's lost faith or are they ahead of him? >> they're ahead of him is the way i would put it. i don't think they're losing faith in him. if you look at the fields, we talk about the depth of support, michael bender and i did in the story. these fields are all shades of donald trump. the candidates are all versions of donald trump. they pledged fuelty to his ideas and policies, some to h

and they of course are excluding people like steve bannon, and mark meadows, and scavino, and navarro. >> i thought it was interesting when mel brooks talked about. that the president, former president of the united states, has contacted him several times to, i don't know do wet, overturn the election and was in the ratification. i don't know what he is asking millbrook's to do. i am not quite sure when mel brooks is capable of doing. but middlebrook's has asserted that they want to hold, a special election for the presidency. have you uncovered whatever that plot is? >> well, he makes an essential point because this is a continuing effort to overthrow our system. donald trump's supporters, like mel brooks are out there saying that donald trump is the rightful winner, and we are very curious about what mel brooks is referring to when he talks about continuing efforts to get congress to rescind to the election. they're of course is no provision in the u. s. constitution for recision of an election. any more than there is a provision for the military to seize the election machinery, and

rudy giuliani, former white house chief of staff mark meadows, deputy chief of staff dan scavino, steve bannonr stone. the list goes on and on. the committees are looking for -- joining me now is political respondent for politico. thank you for being with us, betsy. what happens now? we have subpoenas for these five members of congress, and the committee has determined that they have the right to subpoena them. >> without question, it's unprecedented. previously, the samples of the congressional committees that have subpoenaed members almost entirely committees that had the committee of policing congress, this committee of course is not a congressional policing body, but it is investigative body. the fact they called in all of these members including the republican house speaker, that is a major dramatic step. that is why took it so long to decide whether or not they will go further just politely asking these folks to come and talk to them. the biggest problem they face with this challenge, there's not a lot of tools at their disposal that they can use to try to compel these five members to co

why is he still resisting and others who were aides to the president who were advisers, steve bannone others still refusing and if the own family is speaking to the committee. it makes you wonder what they know and what is going on within trump world that some would resist and others would not. the family doesn't want to get on the other side of a department of justice contempt cytation which could send them to print and they've decided to cooperate with the existing body of congress which is the tradition, long held in democracy, that congress could investigate these kinds of things. and so mark meadows an some of the others are not saying to committee that they're trying to keep back. >> good question. we'll find out. betsy woodruff swan, thank you so much for your reporting. greatly appreciate it. and willie, why don't recap for our west coast viewers that have just gotten up what we've been talking about for last three hours before they got up at 6:00 a.m. that of course the west coast and baseball of course. you and i just absolutely glued to the tv last night. watching the dodg

they decided the steve bannon referral in 21 days. they still haven't decided mark meadows.. the justice department's position has been for decades under republicans and democrats that congress can't subpoena the senior people to the president because that would be just like subpoenaing the president himself. that would violate separation of powers. therefore, senior officials don't have to respond. of course, the meadows case is different than bannon. bannon completely stiffed the committee. meadows has given some cooperation. all those things are complicating it. still, perhaps the justice department does come in for a little more justifiable criticism that they haven't moved fast on this one. >> the counterargument is this is about things meadows was doing outside of the presidency. the election still and the pressure on georgia. >> that don't relate to executive privilege. they weren't things that the president could do. that's right. they weren't official business. that makes it different. that's another layer of complexity here. >> phil, what are we learning about whet

they've just blew us off the same way that steve bannon did. so, we were hoping that they will move quickly on it. >> congressman jamie raskin, thank you so much are making some time for us this evening. tonight, will marjorie taylor greene be on the ballot for her own reelection, what the judge ruled in the closely watched lawsuit that was trying to prove the congresswoman's comments about january the 6th actually disqualified her from running for office. that decision and what it means for the other cases that are like it coming up next. what it mean for the other cases that are like it coming up next like it coming up next ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ for people living with h-i-v, keep being you. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day a

we've already seen steve bannon held in contempt for not complying.is a whole other ball game with half a dozen of the own congressional colleagues being targeted. what legal tools are the committee willing to use to hold them accountable? >> good morning, katie. we know what options they have. it is unclear how far members are willing to go to get these five lawmakers to testify, especially before the end of the month, especially before the beginning of the long awaited public hearings that start on june 9th. while all of the lawmakers, mccarthy, perry, jordan, brooks, big's, have dismissed the committee and it's pro as illegitimate and corrupt, they call it a witch hunt. none of them have said whether they will comply with the subpoenas. judging from the fact that the committee has asked all of them to come voluntarily and answer the questions before, and they have all refused to do so, it seems unlikely they will comply. this leaves the committee with a few options. they could refer this to the house ethics committee. this is a committee that is ev

but i think that, you know, steve bannon was charged criminally, and we have seen that ultimately, hegoing to go to trial. i think there's a strong likelihood he will be convicted. but it's a slow process and it's not the best process if what you really want is their testimony. i think there are better ways to get it. and mark meadows, i don't think, has skated by any means whatsoever. i think one reason he hasn't been charged with defying the subpoena is because the justice department has bigger plans for him. >> bigger plans? well, i'll be here for that. barb mcquade, you always make us smarter every time you're here. former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, and professor at the university of michigan school of law. thank you, barb. >>> when we come back, the response to the january 6th attack and the investigation into it. it has divided our country like so many other things. even the shootings that left 19 children and two teachers dead in texas, again, dividing our nation. when we come back, historian ruth joins us to talk about the divide in america and the div

before when you were a republican and you used to advise that other great replacement advocate steve bannoneat replacement theory that europe will be overrun by muslims and muslims are -- an existential threat to white people. that kind of thing has now become standard. that was like a fringe tome. it is now standard on fox news every night to the point where the associated press did a poll with norc and they released a study called immigration attitude, among those ranked high in con spirit ra torial thinking 42% said they are trying to replace native born americans and they're losing influence to immigrants 8% of low conspiracy thinkers and the belief in replacement theory is much higher among viewers of oann, newsmax and fox. so there is no -- there is statistical proof that they their viewers are the ones most likely to believe this stuff. >> well, and this is what happens when an entire political party cedes their public square to this toxic brand of idiocy and racism. this is the end result of that. and that's why i say, you know, a lot of this has been normalized right before our eye