vice president studley: i understood the motion. i think it was clear. although we do not normally respond directly, i think the question was where did this schedule come from since the schedule had been adopted with agreement from the parties and was not adopted by motion. we are being more formal and that your authority than we were about the terms of the schedule, and i think if that is the proper procedural step, it would just help to clarify the weight that the schedule has and why you are proceeding as you did, either after voting on the motion or before. chiar hur: i am not sure i follow what you're suggesting we do. vice president hur: -- studley: its source of authority is different than what we are voting on now. i am just say that we do not need to vote on it. chair hur: ok, to be perfectly crystal clear, we do not need to vote on implementing a procedure will schedule, and that is what the commission did not vote on it. the agreement discussed with the parties is the procedure will schedule. there is no objection, that is the schedule that wi

chair hur: commissioner studley? vice president studley: how would your procedure differ in terms of the briefing and the time that it would take? i am asking for an estimate. >> certainly. what our proposal would be is that the commission would take briefing immediately on three issues. the first issue being what the standard of proof is, which was one of the bullet points in the executive director's memo. the second issue would be essentially a proposal for rules and procedures that would govern this like hearing. what would this mini trial look like, and we do not need to start from scratch with that. other commissions, for example, the police commission has things that allow for pre-hearing disclosure of evidence from one side to the other. so those would be matters one and two. the third issue that we would request an immediate briefing on, and this is one that is in my memo which has not come up yet, is the issue of whether share of mirkarimi is going to make a claim that he is entitled to have a hearing that i

studley: i make a motion. i think that would be very helpful. commissioner renne: i second the motion. chair hur: public comment on the motion? >> david pilpel. i would just suggest this so the authority is clear going forward, so i think it makes sense, and i encourage you to pass the motion. by. >> peter warfield. as long as you are trying to do things formally and properly, i think it would be good to let a very clear motion. i thought you were discussing a schedule and had come up with a list of dates and actions on either side, and now all of a sudden, we seem to have some kind of empowering of the chair to take certain action, so i am not all clear what that aspect is or what exactly you are voting on, so i think it would be useful to state the motion clearly as to what you are voting on. thank you. chair hur: and the other? mr. st. croix? >> i make a motion that you and power the chair to make adjustments to the schedule that has been laid out tonight. chair hur: i think that motion has been made and seconded, and the motion was not to ch

chair hur: commissioner studley? commissioner studley: the staff memo, speaking about the need for the examination of witnesses, it seemed to anticipate that it may be case- by-case, that the commission would determine which witnesses we felt the need to see in person and what testimony we can handle on paper, and do you agree with that? or do you see this as more of an all or nothing presentation of the witnesses, leaving aside those for which there is complete agreement of proof >> well, i think as a practical matter, once we start dealing with particular witnesses and the need for live testimony for particular witnesses, that exception will end up swallowing the world. -- rule. i think we will have a situation where you will want to hear live testimony from most if not all of the witnesses, or each side will want to cross-examine each a declaration for the other side, -- each declarant for the other side. often, the declarations, there are more questions that seem unanswered man seemed answered, so i think it woul

vice president studley: i make a motion. i think that would be very helpful. commissioner renne: