a number of the very important issues between south sudan and sudan and the khartoum government still need to be worked through for example only about eighty percent of the border has been delineated then there is the question of how the oil revenue is going to be shared what arrangements there are going to be for export in the oil most of which goes out through port sudan which is in the north and then there is the nationality question what do you do about people from the south who live in the north and vice versa these are important issues left over from the comprehensive peace agreement that have not yet been resolved and then there is the question of the south sudan's own institutional development one of the things we have seen is that in countries which have enormous amounts of oil there are is heavy institutional stress how in other words do you make best use of the oil revenue and prevent it from essential going into the pockets of a few corrupt individuals ok i don't really know and i'd like to bring in jonathan here i mean we've heard a lot it looks like this is a new state b

and their people in government or not what would become northern sudan the people of southern sudan the international community and of cause they need three are for can countries so there are a lot of this i actually think the future of the south is down while while it is not problem free is is much more positive than and seen in the media do you have a number of important i sense who informed them but a lot of their reporting has been on the difficulties which is right but we mustn't forget that the important things go in for them international goodwill they have a lot of all your own then i'm too small for their north and people most important or for if you look at the referendum the people voted this is something that people really want and where there is a will there is there is a way ok mr ambassador john campbell thank you. repeat my question is in mission impossible a mission failed already because as we already heard there's a lot of ifs out there and i'd like to point out this is seems to be a very important foreign policy objective of the united states a lot of money has b

to south sudan. you have to be sure that the living conditions are possible and the other things there so we'll look at that and other ways for ngo's and young people to volunteer because i think there's a real opportunity. one of the areas is that teachers who are coming back to south sudan from the north have been teaching in arabic, and so epg lish language -- english language training will be important even for teachers who are trained as teachers but now need to train where arabic is not the major language. there are opportunities of the kind you mentioned, and we'll pursue them and i'll let you know what happens there. >> you mentioned the peace corp.. are you doing an evaluation to see if the conditions are ripe to have the peace corp. there? >> there's been some discussions of it, and i'll check with the peace corp. what the next plans are. we have to wait until the south is independent, but i'll check with them and see what their current thinking is. one of the officials was in fact at the c

we don't want sudan, northern sudan to be in deep economic trouble any more than we want sudan to be. it sends an important message to say if you are moving in this direction coming into the international community we are very serious about the people of your country not going into economic turmoil. >> let's assume you get an agreement, a grand bargain that addresses abyei and other critical issues including the apportionment of that -- get --debt would you not need some sort of legal change or redress to address this? >> there are clear restrictions in the legislation on that. debt relief is an extraordinarily important issue for the government of sudan because under the agreement they have with the south they have taken on the full burden of that $30 billion of debt. on condition the international community will afford them debt relief and the south will support them politically, as we move forward, the president will need an understanding with congress about those restrictions. right now it is in a technical note. world bank is doing what they have to do which is to gather all the

or now the republic of south sudan one is because south sudan can sustain itself this is not only where the oil reserves are or the oil fields but it is it has enough agricultural land pashley feed most of central africa and it is the source of the nile river and so watter is as important to now northern sudan khartoum area as it is a country the size of the state of texas and what would and what was also said to us what was also said to us is that it will be the easiest country to do business in as long as it is mutually beneficial people who will go to south sudan thinking that they can take advantage of these individuals need to think again they made sure we understood that it had to be mutually beneficial after twenty three. wars two point three million people guy but here made it very clear even right there in front of bashir we were marginalized we were discriminated against we we were enslaved i think he showed photographs we now see people have been taken slaves years ago are now being told ok you've got a new country go back home to south sudan and it is it was an amazing trip

as it is 80% of sudan's oil going to the control of the government of sot sudan. but there is the diversity of views across sudan but what very clearly the southern people had the right to was self-determination. and when they were given that choice, they decided that they wanted to separate so that is the right result. >> woodruff: rebecca hamilton what dow look for in the months to come to see whether this new country is getting on its feet or not. >> yeah. i think we've got to start firstly by changing the way we look at the new government of south sudan. for a long time the international community has seen the south as the victim which it has been the primary victim in the war years but now we've got to be able to hold it as accountable as we would fwhi other government to make sure it lives up to the expectations of its people. that means dealing with issues that already a problem, like corruption. a huge amount of corruption in the southern government right now. about making sure that it is putting in the work to start die vers fewing its economy because if

do you worry that this separation is two nations of sudan, northern, southern sudan, will create newasons for more war, or does it promote new peace? >> i feel it is a blessing that because infrastructure is so great, if you look at our country right now, there is hardly anything. and so this oil should be able to help us, you know, to build whatever we don't have. we need to catch up with civilization. we need to catch up with the rest of the world. >> will either one of you find yourself going to your new country anytime soon? >> of course. i've been planning to go next year. >> fredricka, i would -- i'm going this year. i am planning to go this year. and also i'm planning to move in -- to move to my new country for good. because i know america has given me a lot. i mean, education, job, i was able to support my family because by being here and i know even though i am in the health care system here, they need me more back home. >> thanks so much to both of you. and all the best. safe travels when you make it back to sudan. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us here. >> appreciat

in sudan. and we have urged them to play a very important role on issues with president bashir and others on southern kordofan, on resolving the issues on oil. china understands that they have important investments in both the north and the south because they will industry which they are heavily invested is in both the north and south. they are picking up rapidly the relations in the south and stability becomes very important to them. so we look to them to play a very important role in this regard. i met yesterday with the deputy prime minister from russia, because although they are not heavily invested, they are arms suppliers to sudan. they are members of the p5, and how they play their role with us in the security council is extremely important. so, giving them as well as our western european friends on the same wavelength becomes very important so that the messages that various parties are receiving in cartoons are consistent. >> you mention specifically china. this may be simply an amateur

politics toward sudan and south sudan. including continued military conflicts in the region along with the two nations border and disagreements over oil revenues shoot. this evening is 90 minutes. >> -- this meeting is 90 minut minutes. >> the hearing will come to order. thank you all very much for being here this morning. ambassador lyman, it is a great privilege to welcome you back to the committee we appreciate enormously the work that you are doing as the president's special envoy to sudan. and i want to just thank you personally. i've had a chance to see you working in many meetings that we've had together there in sudan, and i've been extraordinary impressed by your steady, calm, tireless commitment to working under difficult circumstances to make progress. it's the essence of good diplomacy, and i really congratulate you and thank you. i thank the president and the nsc and all the folks, secretary clinton, who have been engaged in this effort. they have done a terrific job of laying out a roadmap, living up to it, n

there is sudan and boom. south sudan. down there.ow jimmy can we throw the next-- throw up the flag there. this next image is the new flag of south sudan which we've got digitally rippling there. and this is actually one of the few copies of their flag that is in the united states right now. (cheers and applause) how does-- how does a new flag get decided? >> well, it's amazing. the green is for the agriculture potential. the red for the blood that people gave to get the new country. black actually for the african people. whether you is the nile river and this star is for the unity of all the people to come together for this new state. >> stephen: and who makes the decision that this is the flag? >> some flag decision guy. i don't really-- . >> stephen: wow. (laughter) >> stephen: that sounds like a job that drunlt last long. >> that was it. >> stephen: if i was the flag decision guy i would be like, i haven't made up my mind yet. keep the checks coming. now what kind of success do you think south sudan has a chance of having? becaus

south sudan army. that is needed if they are going to stand a chance against this giant in the north that may want to do things their own way and fight with them again. >> gary, thank you so much. we know you'll keep us posted. >> you can learn more about christian ministries, visit our website at "christian world news" >>> sub sue harn africa, george thomas takes us there. >> reporter: 20 years after the end inside south africa's biggest black township, another image emerging, soeto is on fire for god. grace bible church is where it is happening. they began in 1983 with a handful of people. it has now more than 15,000 members and 11 satellite churches across south africa. mosoono is the senior pastor. >> god said if you long for me and seek for me with all your heart, i think africa is really hungry for god. >> for 4 months, researchers crisscrossed the nations and interviewed more than 25,000 people face to face in 60 different languages, what did they discover? >> clearly the most religious place on

among the problem-rich south sudan -- among the problems south sudan must face are the warnings thation opeople are at risk of starvation. tens of thousands are making the trek to the refugee camps every day. here is the latest report. >> this is a dusty, a desolate place, and the drop is forcing thousands of rape -- the drought is forcing thousands of refugees to seek refuge here. tiny bodies ravaged by malnutrition and dehydration. katharina andre is a swiss nurse here. she told me recently that she cried with one another. >> it happened to me last week. i arrived outside a house. i saw flowers and the baby was ill. i took it and tried to do something. but i could not do anything. it died in my arms. >> she knows this little one is also hovering between life and death. his mother agrees to take him to a hospital, but only reluctantly. she has five more children to care for and was prepared to let this one died, a sacrifice to save the others. >> we have some instances where families have already prepared the children for death. we had to intervene and tell them, no, this is not --

what's next for south sudan? >> just days after a fatal bear attack here, another too close for comfort brush with a grizzly. >> a killer bear attack has one of america's most popular national parks on edge. we're going to take you there. >>> and this woman says a tsa search of her hair is a case of racial profiling. i'll be talking about that allegation with her. i'm don lemon, the news starts right now. >>> we begin tonight with a developing story, a nation is born. after decades of civil war, the new country of sudan is today a reality. you can hear it here, a rose with a new flag was hoisted for the first time, it was a bittersweet moment after decades of brutal conflict that pitted the wealthier north against the poorer christian south. south sudan is about the size of texas. south sudan is ranked as one of the poorest countries in the world. today's independence was cheered by ex-pats all over the world. >> happy birthday new sudan. >> this was the scene today in washington, sudan already has it's own embas

among the problem-rich south sudan -- among the problems south sudan must face are the warnings thation opeople are at risk of starvation. tens of thousands are making the trek to the refugee camps every day. here is the latest report. >> this is a dusty, a desolate place, and the drop is forcing thousands of rape -- the drought is forcing thousands of refugees to seek refuge here. tiny bodies ravaged by malnutrition and dehydration. katharina andre is a swiss nurse here. she told me recently that she cried with one another. >> it happened to me last week. i arrived outside a house. i saw flowers and the baby was ill. i took it and tried to do something. but i could not do anything. it died in my arms. >> she knows this little one is also hovering between life and death. his mother agrees to take him to a hospital, but only reluctantly. she has five more children to care for and was prepared to let this one died, a sacrifice to save the others. >> we have some instances where families have already prepared the children for death. we had to intervene and tell them, no, this is not --

neighbor sudan.ng with the corps term base government. we are live in juba with a perspective on the world's newest country. nema, take us there. how is it? >> what you can hear behind me is the actual moment of the proclamation of independence. it came in over half a century of conflict to get here. the southern sudanese are now finallily in charge. i will be amazed if anyone in juba or anyone in the whole south got any sleep last night. even now, the official festivities are happening behind me in the public part of the parade route is pretty much just been one long party since we got here at dawn this morning, susan. >> and, nima, i was reading a quote. i don't know if you can hear me, it's pretty loud there. from a man who said i lost many relatives and today was a dream from my late father but the nightmare is finally ending. nima, do you find that there that the people are so relieved that it finally happened now? >> many of the people we've been speaking to have said that even when they went t

sudan's biggest natural resource, oil.he south, but refining and good port operations are handled in the north. around 15 oil companies operate in south sudan. but when cnn sat down with the investment minister, he said these contracts will come under more scrutiny. >> we will look at them critically and make sure that the country and the company also to be happy. >> will the contracts with the chinese companies be reviewed? >> with so many country, we have chinese, malaysia, india, we will not be selective. the people would want to be happy. can hes are not good flighting resources. no reason why we can allow one to monopolize the resources. we want many companies to come in. >> waef been seeing the cues for fuel. as a potential investor coming in, that is possibly something that could be quite worrying that at any point because you're still importing your fuel from the north because you tonight have refining capacities here that this could impact potential for property development. >> that's a serious problem. and it is

south sudan emerges from decades of war and instability become an independent state. the phone hacking scandal deepens. the press ministers director of to indication is released on bail after being questioned for hours. -- the prime minister's director of communication is released on bail. welcome to bbc world news on pbs in america. the end of an era for the u.s. space program. after 30 years and 135 missions, the world watches the space shuttle's final flight. from canada to california, the duke and duchess of cambridge are rife in california for a weekend visit. the south sudan has become the world's newest nation. after decades of conflict with the north. a huge independence celebration started as the clock struck midnight local time. it will also be one of the poorest. there are also many sources of potential conflict in the republic of sudan. >> the people have flooded out on to the streets. the party has begun. there is an air of jubilation here in juba. people are banging on homemade drums. the independence of south sudan. people are driving up and down this r

southern sudan will become the republic of south sudan. we are here at the house of somebody who knows a lot about the struggle to reach this point. i am with rebecca garang. how are you feeling at this particular moment? >> thank you very much for the opportunity. it is a very great moment for all of us. we thank god that we are still alive to be here today. there are many colleagues and comrades who perished during the war. but we're here for their blood. so we're happy and grateful for their contribution to this nation. in our struggle, i know what was going on. but for the people of southern sudan, the ones for really rejoicing. i feel very happy to hear their voices on the streets of southern sudan. >> were there times when you thought we would never get to this point? where people could say free at last? >> for me, no. the man who build confidence in us, he brought in a lot of international witnesses. many thank yous. they were involved. there was no way out for hartun not to honor this agreement. >> some people say that the split is

and in the case with south sudan. and the last several months, the united states has been very active in terms of helping for this day, helping south sudanese get ready for independence. they still have a long way to go, but i think susan rice, who has been working on this sudan issue for decades and colin powell who was in the bush administration just showed that this is very important to the united states. >> and will that u.s. embassy be a prelude to the u.s. sending an ambassador soon or have they already done so? >> well, they haven't done so yet, but i think the intention definitely is to a point an ambassador now that there is a full embassy. we haven't heard anybody nominated yet. we understand that's forth coming. also today there was a flag raising in washington of the south sudanese embassy here in the united states. it was just an office, now it is an official embassy. i think you're going to see a very sustained u.s. engagement. after decades of civil war as nima said, these people, they were displaced fo

south sudan celebrated its independence from sudan today after decades of civil war.sudan will be one of the world's poorest countries. >>> new u.s. defense secretary leon panetta landed in afghanistan today on his first

sudan will no longer be the afr. togoes from #aruntnumber one three. >> there are difficult areas still in working out the relationship, and not least about oil. there's some concern about whether the border is delineated in a way that will last. where are those disputes right now? >> i think you're referring to the disputed border region. both sides claim it. for the time being, it's felt that has been dealt with. there was agreement between them. they decided to have a joint group administrating the territory. it's all a bit confusing. there has been a lot of violence between people in this part of northern sudan who supported the southern sudanese people's liberation army. as you said, the big issue of oil. economically, they're very dependent on oil. about 75% of sudan's oil revenues comes from the south. they will have to finalize those agreements. >> zeinab badawi, take all for joining us. we will hear lots more from you in the coming hours. for now, we will shift north to egypt. five months after mubarak was t

many observers say, at it is wracked with so many problems, south sudan.is going to take a generation to sort them out. people are very excited about the independence, they will not see a fast change. >> your report talks about the ongoing threats of violence. you in peacekeepers in one border area are due to leave on sunday. what effect is that going to have on security? >> this is from a border area. the president's -- he made it clear that all of the united nations peace people in the north of saddam would have to leave that -- north of sudan. there are massive problems on both sides of the border. you have a vast stretch of this 2,000 kilometer border that has not been demarcated properly. there is still conflict on each side of the border. there is a need for some international peacekeeping presence. that is the area where most people are worried about trade and the south, there will be a large peacekeeping force. there are so many problems still in the south. militias are popping out. >> thank you very much for joining us. among the problems which so

he runs a charity active in you sudan and now south sudan and tells cnn the people of the world's newestarking on a long road to stability. >> there's a lot of work that needs to be done. you've got the right now the mountains where bashir's air force is attacking, bombing civilian areas in the mountains right now as we sit here today when we were celebrating peace yesterday, his air force was bombi bombing. >>> tens of thousands of people born in sudan and living in this country are cheering their homeland's independence day. in the cnn exclusive interview i spoke to a man and woman who fled sudan for their lives and now eager to return. >> this must be a very exciting time, especially to hear that southern sudan becomes the united nation's 193rd member and africa's 54th country. what does it mean to hear that? >> oh, very, very exciting. half of me is empty and half of me is excited. the emptiness is the people that i have lost you know, for this war. i have lost a lot of relatives, lost a lot of friends. and so the emptiness is there but the excitement to be able to see that we are fr

envoy to sudan who joined us from the state >> . back in january, the president said that the referendum in south sudan was inspiring. it does not seem very inspiring today, does it? >> it still is because on july 9th i expect the south to become a fully independent country and this is an achievement most of all for the sudanese people and national unity. there has been some very serious obstacles along the way but this is still a major achievement. >> the u.s. ambassador recently called what was happening in the border region or find. >> we have had two serious crises in the past few weeks. one was the military takeover in -- second, the fighting going on in the state of -- these are serious matters. the first is under control but the one in the south continues to be of major concern. >> some of the issues have been kicked down the road. what is the international community to do to force them to stick to the referendum? >> well, this not that big of an oil-producing area. each side has important constituencies and very strong and e

envoy to sudan who joined us from the state >> . back in january, the president said that the referendum in south sudan was inspiring. it does not seem very inspiring today, does it? >> it still is because on july 9th i expect the south to become a fully independent country and this is an achievement most of all for the sudanese people and national unity. there has been some very serious obstacles along the way but this is still a major achievement. >> the u.s. ambassador recently called what was happening in the border region or find. >> we have had two serious crises in the past few weeks. one was the military takeover in -- second, the fighting going on in the state of -- these are serious matters. the first is under control but the one in the south continues to be of major concern. >> some of the issues have been kicked down the road. what is the international community to do to force them to stick to the referendum? >> well, this not that big of an oil-producing area. each side has important constituencies and very strong and e

during a meeting south sudan president, it helped rebuild 433 churches in south sudan. a couple of them were burned in recent fighting. he paid for the world's -- prayed for the world's newest country. >> heavenly father come today to thank thank you -- thank you and praise you for the gift of freedom and the birth of this new nation. father we pray for the president that you would guide him, direct him. >> reporter: gary lane, cbn news. >> while south sudanese celebrated, the president said he's concerned for christians in the north. he said about the bashir threatened to fight the law there. >>> in the united kingdom extremist muslims are calling for the establishment of islamic state. as peter reports the proposal has christians very troubled. >> reporter: muslims against the crusade is a controversial group. to be turned into states ruled only by islamic law. any plans to enforce sharia law in u.k. are completely ridiculous. >> it's totally nonstarter. it's nothing but a public stunt. most muslims, are law-abiding productive citizens in this country do not wish to h