if you look at the superdelegate lead, the lead is huge. at pledged delegates, it's still firm. the clinton campaign will argue she's going to be able to lock it up with pledged delegates alone. that's what makes a street like new york so important because there are so many delegates here. sanders saying we might not win new york, but we want to win delegates to have a little bit of momentum heading into the latest states. >> what's crazy nee about the superdelegate system coming into play and being so important, especially for the sanders campaign, is tad devine was one of the creators of the system, right? >> he played an instrumental role. these superdelegates came about after george mcgovern got the democratic nomination and was wiped out in the general election. the idea was party insiders might be able to step out and say we know what the general election map looks like wrewe don't want a candidate too far to the left to win in a general election. the sanders people, that's why you're seeing him make the argument that he's the best pe

it's the delegates and superdelegates who pick the nominees. what is a superdelegate? coming up, fox 5 sits down with a real live superdelegate to talk about the power he has behind the scenes. dari: new bombshell allegations involving shelly silver. court documents revealed that were released today he had two extramarital affairs while he was the speaker. prosecutors also allege those mistresses who lobbied him on behalf of their clients got albany. in november, silver was convicted in a federal corruption case. he will be sentenced next month. his lawyers have released a statement calling the salacious, allegations that have no place in the case or public discussion. steve: four soldiers remain hospitalized after their humvee crashed yesterday. state police say the vehicle hit a guardrail before flipping over. it appeared to have lost a wheel. one soldier is in critical district. they are from queens. dari: i'm so happy to say this. keep your sunglasses near you. we'll show you how amazing the weather is going to be. steve: that's right. the warmup is here. if you ha

superdelegates? host: sure they do. caller: so what about the primary? superdelegates?ure they do. caller: so what about the law, one vote, one person. -primary? superdelegates? host: sure they do. caller: so what about the law, one vote, one person. they vote two times. host: the difference is that these are party rules, you are voting within the democratic party or the republican party. caller: but in a lot of states, it is one person, one vote. host: thank you for the call. this morning, "this morning, it really, really is the end of trump. really. " says -- we made too many wrong things. in the case of donald trump, journalists are so worried about their old mistake of underestimating the man staying power that now they risk making the same mistake of missing his fall. why does this matter to anyone except pundits? first, trump's troubles threaten to go beyond wisconsin. he could lose big in other states including pennsylvania, california and new jersey. if this happens, it will be easier for the republican party bosses to deny him the nomination. that was from insi

superdelegates have never nor will they unless we have a trump situation. they will never overturn the will of the people. it didn't happen -- >> what about mondale? >> it didn't happen in 2008 when barack obama got to the convention with less than half of the lead of pledged delegates. >> different scenario. >> and with less numbers on the popular vote. >> i want i don't you to respond to what maria said about this notion that it's hypocritical, they're now focused on superdelegates and it would go against the will of the people as maria said in her argument. >> not exactly. that's flawed and coming from the messaging camp. david brock sent out a release to all their surrogates to send that out. a lot of the superdeegates have pledged against bernie sanders even though bernie sanders won their stays and districts. there are a lot of superdelegates that are elected officials that have already been chosen that have endorsed hillary as far back as august of last year, way before there was a vote or the state conventions were held. they're pledging towards hil

superdelegate. wow. superdelegate like batman. >> i need my cape. >> which campaigns are raising the rigging issue? clinton and trump. the front-runners. they want an endless discussion that no one will follow up with silly charges because they are scared of having a debate on tissues. i agree with ben. sanders needs to say all this stuff is nonsense. let's get back to the fundamental issue. is hillary clinton a tool of wall street or not. put up a picture of trump and having hillary clinton at the trump wedding. >> you're doing work for pro hillary clinton super p.a.c.. your firm is. is ben wrong say how can you be a superdelegate. >> because i'm a member of the dnc. so, again -- >> those are the rules. >> you're right to exercise your consi conscience within the rules. once people have select ad candidate and what kinds of fight they want to have and the kind of direction they want to lead, that winner, so bernie sanders or whoever it is. >> we can have that conversation. to your points, david the clin

with respect to superdelegates. hillary clinton has a lead in pledged delegates, the superdelegates have never in history gone against the choice of the people, as reflected by who's leading in the pledged delegates. we would expect the superdelegates to do the same things they have done, which is ratify the selection of those who have the most pledged degates. secondly, in terms of electability, all those polls are meaningless now. the only person who has been tested and come out on the other end of republican attacks is hillary clinton. if bernie sanders went through a general election, those numbers would change in a heart beat. number three, the superdelegates are concerns about who is going to have a down ballot effect? this has the potengs to be a real wave election for democrats, especially if someone like ted cruz or donald trump is at the top of the ticket. bernie sanders has shown no commitment to the down ballot races. hillary clinton is helping invest in races across the country. bernie sanders is raisin

superdelegates are allowed to switch sides if they want to but we spoke to a superdelegate who says there's no way he's going to abandon hillary. >> there is nothing bernie sanders can do that would make me switch sides. i have an obligation as a superdelegate number one to reflect the will of the people in my congressional district. hillary clinton is doing well there and number two, to reflect my own priorities and my priorities have always been aligned with hillary clinton so there's no argument he can make. reporter: even though sanders has won seven of the last eight states, superdelegates loyal to clinton are staying with her. you can see having a big impact, heather. heather: it's open up a lot of people's eyes how the whole process works. thank you. jon: some new concerns about airport security after the head of the transportation security administration admitted that only three us airports require employee screening checks before work.even after reports that dozens of airport workers have possible terror ties. only atlanta, miami and orlando airports screen employees when they come

this year -- 16% of all total delegates are superdelegates.anders has the support of only 31. the common thinking goes that superdelegates give their vote to the front runner, changing their minds as the race unfolds. as the vermont senator picks up more states, his supporters are frustrated that more aren't switching their allegiance. he is decided to take matters into his own hands, setting up a website with the lists of superdelegates with contact information, inviting supporters to lobby individual superdelegates to get their vote. anchor: police in the u.s. are appealing for public help in an unusual criminal case, a man who broke into a fast food joint and cooked himself some food. gular was caught on this footage. he is seen grilling up cheeseburgrgers and is said to have stolen a bottle of water. it is not the biggest break in in history, but investigators are treating it as burglary and offering a $1000 reward at least to the cheeky chef arrest. pasts just gone quarter 9:00. he faced a grilling in parliament and hit back. britain's pr

a fan of superdelegates. a superdelegate for bernie sanders. good to have you. you don't have like the whole concept for superdelegates but here you be a super delegate for bernie sanders. why do you feel the way you do? >> i don't think superdelegates should have a role in the and i think there is part for party activists not on the floor. we go through caucus in primaries plus 50 states, plus other, in case of democratic party, almost 20% of those who control the nomination were not elected. you have states like washington state, vermont, bernie wins by 80% or more and party regulars say we're for clinton anyway. that is not what democracy looks like. neil: in new hampshire, it was glaring. i remember being there, your candidate won by a lot. >> 22%, split the delegates when all said and done. i think it affects people's view of the race too. when you looks at the delegate count, and most papers organizations include those superdelegates, it looks daunting for your candidate. but when you take them out it d

bill clinton is a new york superdelegate. think we know how he's going to vote. >> what about the fact you have all these people who are now swi swinging. some people are swinging. what does it take to swing a delegate? what do you do? offer them a drink or bottle of wine? is that corruption? >> there's a debate about what you can really offer a delegate. having dinner with a candidate, that's not a problem. flying them to bermuda for a weekend to get a call from the candidate, no, i think that's very questionable. whether it could be prosecuted, you're a better judge of that. i would argue, if it became public it would be very damaging to a candidate at least in the general election, even if the primary was already decided. >> very quickly, bernie's won seven of the last primaries straight. is any saying, gee, this guy has a lot of votes. nobody cares? >> they are saying that. here's the key consideration, not so much the nomination, what all these bernie sanders delegates and there will be hundreds and hundreds of them in p

. >> she's the most super of all superdelegates. >> when we talk about what makes a superdelegate change his mind, as happened in 2008, could bernie sanders, you know, turn around hundreds of superdelegates? >> i have to tell you this, throughout 2008, both candidate obama as well as candidate hillary clinton hoarded superdelegates. >> how does that work, for viewers who don't follow this closely. >> it's a phone call. >> phone call, dinner. out to a play, go see "hamilton"? >> anderson, we have fine taste, but guess what, we're democrats. >> okay. >> there's no question that candidate obama went across america in 2006 and campaigned for just about everybody running for office. house, senate, democrats, et cetera. governors. bernie sanders has not done it. that's the case that hillary clinton made the other day. she said i've been a lifelong democrat, i've been helping raise money for the party, i've been helping to recruit candidates. she was back in 2003, she was pushing then-state senator barack obama. so she has a history in courting the kind of people who are so-called, you know, un

the majorityry get without a single superdelegate?oth the candidates might perform in the coming weeks based on current polling and our reporting. here is how it might play out. we will start with the republicans. .onald trump leads ted cruz has 559. if trump wins big tonight, it's theible he could win 80 of 95 empire state delegates up for grabs. his total would be 836. 1237 he needs to avoid a contested convention. he would need 56% of the remaining delegates. is that feasible? in the northeast, five states are voting a week from today. , trump is leading in these northeastern states. 172 delegates. we give 104. that would bring him to 928. there are four more winner take all states. they have a combined total of 143 delegates. he needs to win new jersey for sure. that's the largest. 51 delegates. probably lose one of the other three winner take all states. the one nebraska is he's most likely to lose. bring votes to 1035. .ot a sure thing and three states where trump has to win pretty big. indiana and california. those are winner t

the clintons have been setting up these superdelegates for about a decade.even, eight wins by bernie sanders will to the change their mind. >> no concession speech from hillary clinton. she did tweet congrats to bernie sanders winning wisconsin. to all the votes and volunteers who poured your hearts into this campaign, forward. it's all about new york. cnn has the next debate on the 14th ahead of the 19th primary. >> that's right. >> and this is going to get tough. >> what happens between now and that debate is critical. last night it was said the clinton campaign will try to disqualify and defeat berme eni sanders in the next few days and weeks. there's been a variety of strategies about how the clinton campaign will treat the bernie sanders campaign, perhaps getting much tougher. >> she has started that already, saying it's empty ideas. there's nothing to back it up. >> the new york daily news recently, a transcript was published of bernie sanders speaking with the daily news. there were times when he came up short when asked about details. >> doesn't seem

the other, a call for superdelegate democracy. they ask people to call, email, and post on superdelegate's social media accounts their displeasure with the system and their support for clinton. some of these postings warn elected democrats if they don't switch to the guy who won their state, they will get voted out of office next election. there are rallies like this one in olympia, washington. bernie sanders started talking about it on the campaign trail. it might be starting to have some effect as a few delegates are giving themselves an out. >> i'm going to support the democratic nominee and be proud to do that, whoever that is because we have two great candidates. reporter: party leaders say superdelegates have never been the deciding fact tore in nomination process since being created in 1982. deirdre? deirdre: dan, thank you very much. dan springer joining us there from fox news. speaking of the primary process, my next guest says america is not a pure democracy. the notion of one man one vote was never accepted by the found

we will talk about the superdelegate situation.scalation and the rhetoric we have seen from both candidates suggesting neither is solified to be president, far this race is not gone down that path. are you concerned things are going to get more bitter and it will be part of the party together after the primary? james: the one thing that separated the democratic primary season for the republican season has been the town of the rhetoric and the fact that the democratic contenders were focused on the issues and offering solutions and substance, and talking about things they actually had experience with for the most part. that was not true on the other side and that is unfortunate. the main thing i am concerned about is that the american evil deserve to have -- american people deserve to have leaders who are able to articulate the issues and offer reasonable, pragmatic, doable solutions. i also understand the real challenges of campaigning. i don't think people really understand how difficult and how tiring and exhausting it is to be o

bernie sanders is a superdelegate in vermont. most of the delegates are. >> one of 247 individuals in the democratic primary. >> here's what's that superdelegates apart. >> they can change their mind. reporter: in all new york has 44 superdelegates. of those 44 nearly all support hillary clinton and that's something the santos campaign says they are working on. >> these superdelegates who supported hillary clinton can come over to us. reporter: stuart applebaum is one of them. he was a bill clinton delegate and 92 and 96 and now he's supporting hillary clinton. >> i received calls from people who i don't know who have asked me to consider changing my vote from hillary to bernie. i have not heard a compelling reason yet. she has two or 3 million votes more than bernie does so if that's the case why should i be thinking of switching from secretary clinton to bernie sanders? superdelegates should tip the scales for a certain candidate they are helping hillary clinton close in on the 280 -- delegates needed to clinch the nomination.

>> if they get together, these superdelegates will make a huge difference. >> they can.ght now they are helping hillary pad her lead. if you take them completely out of the equation, she goes from almost 700 up on sanders to just 251 ahead. but some strategists say that they think that is still enough of a lead to deliver her the nomination. >> the reality is that the super delegates have never once voted opposite of what the pledge elected delegates out of the states were doing. so there have been plenty of candidates who have had large superdelegate leads and in the end they always voted the same way as the pledged delegates who voted at the convention. >> so sanders needs to win a few more states before most superdelegates would consider endorsing him. shep? >> peter doocy, thank you. let's bring in the senior political reporter for "usa today." good to see you. >> good to see you. >> this whole we don't understand the delegate thing, we don't understand the rules of the convention on the republican side, this is just politics, right? everybody understands how this wo

the superdelegates.change their minds tomorrow, the next day, leading up to the convention. we saw it in 08. we could see it again. >> you'll be watching very closely. you'll be with the press in the spin room i'm sure. >> yes. >> it will be exciting for all. i'm getting ready myself. i'll be back in two hours to moderate this democratic presidential debate. a very special night. historic in a sense. >>> welcome to a very special edition of "outfront." good evening, i'm erin burnett. countdown to the cnn democratic debate tonight. i'm live in brooklyn new york. for sanders, it is a make or break night just five days before the new york primary. tonight is his last best chance

and hillary clinton already has the support of four superdelegates. but today, both candidates are already looking ahead to bigger prizes further down the campaign trail. hillary clinton is getting a head start on maryland's april 26th primary, and its 95 available delegates with a rally at 2:30 today in baltimore. but she still has her eye on the next big contest in new york on april 19th. and bill clinton will be campaigning there for her at two events in new york city today. meanwhile, bernie sanders will wrap up his third straight day of campaigning in the empire state with a rally in coney island at 2:00 p.m. sanders is trailing hillary clinton by 18 points in a new primary poll released by emerson college. but those numbers are a big improvement for sanders who narrowed that margin from a 48-point gap in new york last month. now, the dems are duking it out for a whopping 247 delegates at stake in the new york primary. it's the second largest delegate payday on the primary calendar. which may explain why both candidates have been turning up the h

so, it is, there have been plenty of candidates who have had large superdelegate leads, but those superdelegatesthe end always have voted the same way as the pledged delegates have voted at the convention. reporter: so even though sanders has won seven of the last eight contest he apparently needs to win a few more states before most superdelegates would consider endorsing him instead of hillary. david. david: these rules make your head spin. they're rules of a private party after all. thank you very much. peter, appreciate it. melissa? melissa: donald trump may not be the only person that thinks the system is rigged. hillary clinton accusing senator bernie sanders of rigging the system by seeking to pick off the superdelegates that have already pledged their support to the democratic front-runner. isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? days before voting in new york our very own adam shapiro joins us. adam, wow, i mean it is hard to know what to make of this one. is bernie sanders starting to make hillary nervous? reporter: i think the answer to that might be yes. look at the latest colle

and second, can hillary get the majority without a single superdelegate? make a series of educated assumptions about how both candidates might the form in the coming weeks. based on current polling and a reporting, here is how it might play out. we will start with the republicans. donald trump leads. ted cruz has 559. john kasich has 144. if trump wins big tonight, it's possible he could win 80 of the 95 empire state delegates up for grabs. that would bring his total to 836. in order to reach the he needs 1237, to avoid a contested convention. donald trump would then need 56% of the remaining delegates. how does he do that? is that feasible? the answer starts in the northeast, five states are voting a week from today. the public polling there, not in every state, but trump is leading in these northeastern states. 172 delegates. we are giving donald trump 104. this is all back of the envelope stuff. that would bring him to 928. after next week, there are four more winner take all states. they have a combined total of +143 delegates. donald trump needs to wi

aides are working quietly to woo superdelegates but would need to convert hundreds of them to make a difference. >> we think they're ridiculous news. >> reporter: jane sanders said the superdelegate system should be eliminated all together. >> it's an insurance policy for the establishment to make sure they don't get somebody they don't want. >> reporter: superdelegates were introduced in 1982, and they typically only switch allegiances when the candidate they backed initially begins to fall behind, as clinton did in 2008. they have never subverted the popular vote, scott, and they don't appear poised to do so this time. >> pelley: nancy cordes, thank you. americans don't seem to like their choices very much. our new poll shows three candidates have a big problem 54% of registered voters have an unfavorable opinion of clinton. for trump it's 63% and cruz 48%. one thing trump doesn't like is the g.o.p. rule book for winning delegates. and here's major garrett. >> it's the politicians. >> reporter: donald trump can't stop complaining about republican nomination rules, especially after

in terms of the superdelegates it cuts both ways. there are so many superdelegates it's basically very possible that bernie sanders can present hillary clinton from getting number, without any superdelegates. at which point he said that his campaign has said that they will just treat that as a big primary that hasn't happened yet. 700 delegate primary that will happen at the convention and push it to then. a lot is going to depend on how the clinton campaign responds to his ideas about a party platform. about their direction, how they go after him f. it's in a way that reinforces questions that sanders supporters have about her forthrightness it could be quite damaging. >> dickerson: one of the things that was brought up in the debate was the 1994 crime bill. both bernie sanders voted for it and hillary clinton supported it as part of her husband's administration. why are we talking about the 1994 crime bill? >> because politics, position of the democratic party, ideological position really shifted. also it's a different time, crime

superdelegates are unique to the democratic party. they are chosen by party leaders, not by primary or caucus voting. they are free to vote for any candidate. and right now most of them are backing hillary clinton. she has 486 of the 712 superdelegates, compared to 38 for bernie sanders. now the clinton campaign is accusing sanders of trying to poach her superdelegates. "if anybody is trying to rig the system right now to overturn the will of the people, it's sen. sanders." sanders has denied any connection to this website, which provides the names and phone numbers of superdelegates. some of the people on the list say they have gotten harassing calls. sanders says his plan is to convince the superdelegates to follow the will of the voters. not the party establishment. new york's primary is one week from today. voters will choose 247 democratic and 95 republican delegates. north texas has a big clean-up ahead. after it was pummeled by a hail storm monday night. >> grant:pam.from the video.you can hear the hail breaking through the win

>> superdelegates, i'm kind of -- superdelegates have never overturned the will of the people. meaning that they have never given the advantage to the candidate who doesn't get to the convention with the most amount of delegates. it happened in 2008. barack obama did not get to the convention with the amount of pledge delegates he needed. that's when many of the superdelegates came to him because they realized this is the person who actually did represent more of you know, i say the will of the people loosely because let's also remember that hillary clinton won the popular vote but it's all about pledge delegates, those are the rules and what people have to play for. that's the hillary clinton strategy is going to be getting to the nomination with the most amount of pledged delegates. >> we need more delegates under the age of 50. >> i'm under 50. thank you. >> whoa. all right. thank you to all four of you. appreciate it. thanks for that interesting discussion there. and you won't want to miss it because hillary clinton and bernie sanders face off in a democratic presidential d

that means clinton still has a massive lead in both pledge and superdelegates.et's bring in msnbc's kasie hunt who is at the bernie sanders rally in albany. also with me, alex seitz-wald covering the clinton campaign. is there some belief in the clinton campaign that some superdelegates could switch over to the sanders campaign at the convention? >> reporter: this is all predicated on the idea that sanders would get more pledged delegates. the spokesperson tweeted that there is a 0% chance that clinton doesn't clinch the nomination by june. even if that doesn't happen, there is not much precedent for movement for superdelegates. in 2008 as barack obama was gaining momentum, only about 30 superdelegates switched from hillary clinton to his side, and most were african-american, they wanted to support the first potential black president. when you think about who these superdelegates are, party leaders, elected officials, these are exactly the type of partisan democrat that the sanders campaign was fighting against. he openly talks about how he's taking on the estab

is it too late because of superdelegates?uest: right now, the math does not work in bernie sanders's favor. he has been doing extremely well in some of these estates. areuse of the way delegates apportioned, hillary clinton is well far in advance. there's been very little, if any -- the only superdelegate that has gone for bernie sanders so far is senator merkley from oregon. right now, she is favored to win in new york. the math does not work in bernie sanders's favor. ahead by 30 trump points in new york as they get to vote today, the daily news out of new york city had this on their cover. "he's with stupid, too." hi there, maria. caller: thank you for taking my call pete i'm concerned about the superdelegates. -- thank you for taking my call. i'm concerned about the superdelegates. they undermine the popular vote. no equal opportunity, this is disenfranchisement. i'm very concerned also about theyainstream media -- pick the candidate and say with their projection who is the winner. people stand in lines to cast their vote

probably wish they had superdelegates now. outcome would be the same. hillary clinton would still be ahead, but that's an interesting argument. what do you expect the big headline to be? >> if bernie sanders doesn't win the new york primary, i think we'll see more clamoring from democrats for him to stop attacking hillary clinton. one of the reasons for that. if you look at her favorability numbers, they are not very good. democrats across the board, if you go to the state level, they're prettyptimistic about what they're seeing in november, but not aument mystic about the fact that hillary clinton has slightly lopsided favorability ratings. she's not as unpopular as donald trump but she's not hugely popular either. many of them view bernie sanders attacks on wall street, the speeches, you know, the money in politics as feeding into a republican narrative. i think we're going to be hearing more about that. and you know, the superdelegate question only works for bernie if he starts winning. big states where lots of people are v

terms of the superdelegates she has amassed so far. she is doing far better in a number of states before this pattern of seven primaries. sanders won. it is cause for reason for the clinton campaign. it should put a lot of the republican candidates on edge. what this really suggests is that democrats have moved so far to the left that if supporting somebody like bernie sanders and that sanders would do better in general election matchups against these republican candidates. i think if i were a republican candidate, i would be paying attention to the pays that i would be able to shore up support among independents who would probably go to bernie sanders in a general election but could potentially go to a republican candidate if they are able to kraft their message in a way that will attract those voters. >> some believe the middle 10% is what it comes down to into a general election. >> francesca, talk about the new explosion of the infighting? i want to look ahead with you a week or so. how important is new york? if sanders loses here,

mark: there is a spat back and forthmark: between superdelegates -- about superdelegates.re you fine winning this having superdelegates put you over the top? tad: i think both candidates need superdelegates. mark: if she has more elected pledged delegates, you think it is fine to reverse the lead by winning more superdelegates? tad: i do. i think superdelegates have an obligation to do what is right for the party. john: don't go anywhere. you are going to stay here. theill be back with more on highs and lows of this democratic race, especially the sanders campaign. ♪ mark: we are here with bernie sanders' senior advisor tad devine. you are in brooklyn last night at this huge rally with your daughters. are they bernie supporters? tad: absolutely. they are under 30. mark: most americans have never been to these events. tell people what they are like. tad: over one million have, and i think that itself is a credit to the system. it's a good atmosphere. there is some entertainment provided, and then bernie comes in for an hour to an hour and 15 minutes, and he talks about his

the superdelegates and -- i don't know. the superdelegates, in your doing?, what are they they will be picking out hillary or they will be picking to was alli thought it supposed -- both on the republican and democratic side -- i thought it was supposed to be the majority of the people? host: let's let the congressman respond. there has been a big debate of the role of superdelegates. guest: i think the discussion over superdelegates has been the most overhyped and overrated part in the primary process. to take a step that, on the democratic side, about 80% of the delegates of the convention come from being elected through the primary. the other 20% are the longtime democratic officeholders, members of congress, governors, party activists, etc., who are not there just that election time that year in and year out doing the low turnout off the races. for as long as superdelegates have existed, they have never voted in a way different than the pledged delegates. the one race where they could have made the difference was eight years ago. hillary clinton started

>> reporter: levantine the superdelegates' the pledge superdelegates these are party leaders that said we will back hilary's campaign until july this is a possibility they could decide to change their minds. that would be a huge surprise the team not only has money and infrastructure but they have a history of the democratic party of former first lady someone whose work on two presidential campaigns she knows what it takes to line up the rights supporters and right fund- raising but yes birdie has cut the thread alive certainly is not going anywhere anytime soon she's expected to do well in new york and a win is a win. we're still talking about where she is her campaign is on the right track. bernie >> reporter: has senators from oregon yesterday this could be a beginning of some changes but i feel that the numbers clinton campaign still is on the run right track for the nomination. >> grant: we're hearing about superdelegates in the batting more into that area is not only run ancillary and the yen's this number. 2383. palmy delegates could needs for for symbolic victory in philadelphi

close,f the state's superdelegates should be free to vote either way? they have to use their judgment, that is why they are superdelegates. . they can say i think bernie sanders is better than hillary clinton even though my state voted overwhelmingly for hillary clinton? jane: i think they should go with the majority of their voters. mark: so not use their judgment? jane: a big majority. with a small majority, we have tied -- mark: so if close, they should use the judgment, but if a big margin they should vote with them? jane: i think they will do whatever they do, but it seems 70% fair when bernie wins of the vote in these elections, that the superdelegates follow. mark: we did not get the talk about "hannibal," next time. jane: it was great. mark: good luck on the trail. campbell: up next, a republican senior strategist joins us after this. ♪ mark: joining us now, the former chairman -- senior advisor to president bush's campaign, and amend that we like to talk to. al is currently not supporting any major candidate. al: great to be here. surprised ifr

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he says the key to that will, in fact, be the superdelegates. >> i think that a lot of these superdelegates are going to be looking around them and are going to be saying, which candidate has the momentum? which candidate is bringing out huge numbers of people and creating huge -- which candidate can bring out large numbers of people? >> what are the chances those superdelegates will, in fact, look at who's bringing out the huge crowds and switch from hillary to bernie? >> i think it's highly unlikely most of them will. some will peel away. the reality is bernie sanders has the wind at his back. he's won seven of the last eight contests. he's poised to win the wyoming caucus this saturday. he has nothing to lose, right, so might as well do everything you can to peel away on the superdelegates. there are 7 0 superdelegates yet to make a decision on the race. he has to go after each and every one of those. the reality is he has a very steep hill to climb. he has to win more than two-thirds of the kel delegates to catch up to hillary clinton, not just surpass her. >> the clinton campaign manag

you should be ashamed of yourself." >> reporter: akilah ensley is one of many superdelegates who sayy've been deluged with hostile facebook messages and e- mails. >> there have been some rude names used. there's been a knock at my character and my intelligence as to why i would be supporting someone that they see as the establishment. >> reporter: the sanders' campaign says it doesn't employ those tactics or condone them. aides are working quietly to woo superdelegates but would need to convert hundreds of them to make a difference. >> we think they're ridiculous rules. >> reporter: jane sanders told cbs news digital journalist kylie atwood that the superdelegate system should be eliminated all together. >> it's an insurance policy for eye establishment to make sure they don't get somebody they don't want. >> reporter: superdelegates were introduced in 1982, and they typically only switch allegiances when the candidate they backed initially begins to fall behind, as clinton did in 2008. they have never subverted the popular vote, scott, and they don't appear poised to do so this time

in fact, today in minnesota, a superdelegate switched from hillary clinton to bernie sanders.ns, even democrats, love winners. and if bernie sanders continues to get these victories, superdelegates are going to switch to him. now, if she's still favored, there's no question she's still favored. why? because the democrats want to go against their founder, thomas jefferson, who quite frankly argued for a primary like the republicans, which is rough and tumble and goes all the way till the end. they are very hamiltonian in their belief that only, only the insiders, only the establishment should have who gets to pick who their nominee is. >> no. david -- even if -- one last point, judge. >> mary anne, i want to give you the last word, absolutely. >> yeah. one last point here, even if there were no superdelegates, hillary clinton has 249 more pledged delegates than bernie sanders. ask ted cruz what it's like trying to catch up to trump. no, not the pledged delegates, they can't -- the fact is -- we don't have winner-take-all. we have proportional. the republicans have winner-take-a

superdelegates are not bound.ves to somebody but that doesn't mean anything. they switch all the time. i've had them switch in the numbers of 50 or 100 at a convention. they think they are going to make the argument she can't win. she's a liability. the fbi investigation could be a problem. and they should switch. and they also don't have to vote on the first ballot. they can abstain. put you but low the number you need. >> when you says irs, i thought you were going to break some other news. >> no. >> despite all the criticism sanders has, he has enthusiastic support and is on quite a roll now. why can't she put him away? >> well, because here's the issue. what i think is going on in the democratic party in terms of this back and forth between hillary and bernie, up until now has been very good for the party. it has helped mobilize democrats out there. it has helped mobilize our supporters. it has made hillary clinton a much better candidate. has made bernie sanders a much better candidate. from the beginning, hi

"this is what superdelegates have to grapple with. they want to win. many of these people are elected officials, party insiders. at the end of the day, they want the candidate who's going to be able to beat the republicans and polling consistently shows that's bernie sanders." bernie sanders' campaign manager saying nobody's going to win the democratic nomination before the convention and then at the convention, the superdelegates ought to pick bernie sanders because he's better. he's just a better bet for the democratic party. which is why it sounds kasich-esque. here's my question, though. why could the sanders campaign feel like they needed to make a kasich-esque argument? why would the sanders campaign be making an argument that generally reserved for candidates who have mathematically can't make any other argument, who mathematically can't win the nomination any other way? what's the sanders campaign seeing when they look at the electoral map that's driven them to a strategy that makes it seem like all this primary and caucus stuff is pretty hopel

like a the lo of people talk about superdelegate, they go hillary has more superdelegates. superdelegate go against the very fact that people should be voting for the people who represent them at the convention? >> they do. (cheers and applause) first of all, first of all, we have had superdelegates since i graduated from high school. >> trevor: yes. >> in 1984. >> trevor: i was born that year. >> and i graduated from high school. so i couldn't quite be your mother but darn close. but i mean look, we have party activists, elected officials and other leaders that are a part of our process. but who would never determine the outcome of our nominee. it is voters that can and should determine that outcome and they always have. and we have activists who are also a part of that process. but if you look at what is going on on the other side, i bet my counterpart is wishing-- some kind of magic pill or some-- some harry potter invisible cloak that he could use to make his problems go away. because at the end of the day, we are going to come together, i'm confident. we're going to ha