i don't think it stops at susan rice. cusing on rice may be the wrong path way. >> sean: but standard operating procedure according to every single intel source i have would require that if it was incidental that minimumization occur. they don't reveal the name of the american. they don't unmask the american. certainly you don't leak the name, leak the intelligence which, by the way, is raw intelligence, otherwise you are violating any sense of privacy. you used the term early on. that would make america a policed state. correct? >> that's a felony. there is a written record. no one from the it community, intelligence community, would ever do the unmasking an give that information on a verbal order. it just doesn't happen. there have to be written protocols that are followed. they have to be there somewhere whether in a ledger or some other log. and claiming executive privilege would indicate to me that the president spoke to susan rice. so we'll see if she claims executive privilege. >> sean: two weeks ago she had no idea

after two years, they can find nothing that susan rice did wrong. >> bill: congressmen, raking memberf the house intelligence committee speaking about mrs. rice's role in benghazi investigation including the opinion that she's a scapegoat even before any testimony is heard. this congressman really wanted know what happened in the surveillance deal? you make the call. it's obvious his fellow travelers on the left do not want to know, the loons are now burning the whole thing racial. >> did she do something wrong? >> there's no information indicating that so they are making her basically defaming her without any reason to do so because she's a woman, maybe because she's a black woman. >> bill: as talking points said yesterday, susan rice is entitled to the perception of innocence and should be called by congress to testify as soon as possible. but with easter break looming, that call will be down the road. at that time, i expect ms. rice to take the fifth just as lois lerner did. that means others in government will have to step forward to testify about what susan rice did or did not do

take down hillary clinton's numbers part one of the central figures that they went after wasn't susan ricetwo years they could find nothing at that rice did wrong. the only thing that susan rice did was go on sunday morning shows and repeat what the intelligence committee best assessment of the early hours of benghazi was. that was consistent with what we were hearing, what susan rice was hearing, that's all they could find which was perfectly appropriate on her part. what it is, they have about susan rice they like to go after her i don't know. of >> sean: republicans made her into a villain, susan rice didn't lie about the unmasking two weeks ago on pbs. she said she knew nothing about it and then yesterday she admitted she knew everything about it, she also light back in 2012 on the five sunday shows after the benghazi terror attack. there's no need for the republicans to paint is everything, she's a known liar. instead of focusing on her outright lies on the trump surveillance, schiff is now changing the subject. maybe it's time for him, adam schiff to recuse himself from this russian

we believed it to be susan rice.ay we were able to confirm that. >> bill: you were anal able to unmask, pardon the pun, susan rice. when she went on msnbc and said i didn't do anything, did that strike you as unusual? did you -- what was your reaction to her denying everything? >> well, it was odd because on her show on -- when she went on pbs, she basically said she didn't remember anything about that. she didn't recall. >> bill: that was march 22nd. >> right. and then today she said well, you know, she did have to do it. it was required in some cases. so those are two different conflicting statements. and then she also said she didn't remember it escalating after the election. which we believe it did. so, in terms of the surveillance. so, you know, if terms of what government officials, you know, we don't know for sure yet whether or not all the facts have come out. >> bill: as i mentioned in the talking points, the national security advisor and the president of the united states each morning get a summation of int

i don't think it stops susan rice. focusing on rice might be the wrong halfway here. >> sean: standard operating procedure according to every single intel source i have it would require that it was incidental that minimization occurred, that they don't reveal the name of the american, that they don't unmask the american and certainly don't leak than intelligencewh, which by the way is rawte intelligence. otherwise you are violating any sense of privacy. to use the term very early on, that would make america a police state, correct? >> that is a felony. there is a written record. no one from the ic community, intelligencey, community, whater do the unmasking and give that information on a verbal order. it just doesn't happen. there has to be written protocols that are followed. those written protocols have to be there. they have to bee there some that do ask him or whether they're on a ledger or some work on their logs and claiming executive privilege here would indicate to me that the president actually spoke to susan r

who's going to believe susan rice?'ve said yesterday she is the liar chief here.g if you look at the facts that we know and she's acknowledged then unmasking that she was the principle that authorized and asked for the unmasking. if you ask yourself the timing of this is not just bizarre it's the real evidence.re this was other than politics, what could this possibly be, because between then and now nothing has happened. no information has gotten out that any other intelligencein agency has said that there's been any collusion between the trump campaign, trump campaign officials, and the russians. in fact, to the contrary. the president was right. he used the phrase and he undersold it. he said wiretaps which is kind of the vernacular of u surveillance, it was much more than wiretaps evidently, it was electronics surveillance, and i want to call it what it is. they were spying on him and his incoming administration. that's what it appears to be. the media ignoring this as if it does not exist, there doesn't nothing tha

because susan rice was so close to him if this starts to develop, if susan rice takes the fifth, whichve she will, then the president becomes directly involved. do you see that happening? >> no. >> bill: why? >> because there are -- she could have had this information, let's just say for speculation purposes once again, and it wasn't communicated directly to the president. >> bill: he is going to have to answer some questions? >> nothing illegal about it so why would the president be brought into that? >> bill: to ask whether she was directed to do it. very simple question. all right, ladies. thanks very much. >> thank you, bill. >> bill: plenty more when "the factor" moves along this evening. an amazing situation, california takes another step in possibly becoming a sanctuary state. that would pit them directly against the federal government. and then a lawsuit filed against donald trump by protesters who tried to disrupt one of his campaign appearances. wait until you hear this. i hope you stay tuned to those reports. ♪ ♪ >> bill: "factor follow-up" segment tonight. yesterday the cal

susan rice could have potentially and, again, we have not independently corroborated whether or not susan rice asked for the unmasking of whoever the official might have been, but the person that would grant that is in a separate part of the government, and then there's the other batch, and that's the people that were speaking to the washington post, those nine officials, former and current, that initially broke this open. a lot of moving parts, but in some ways the white house probably -- you get the sense, ali, they like the line of questioning about the story because it's about susan rice, and it's about the unmasking, and not the fbi investigation. >> sure. it's human nature to want to connect a lot of dots, but what we're learning here is these may not necessarily be connectible dots. thank you for your clarity on that. hans nichols for us at the white house. >> the full house and senate committees will soon get to see the intelligence committee that republican house chairman devin nunes traveled to the white house to view two weeks ago. casey hunt is on capitol hill with more on tha

liz: growing calls for susan rice to testify before congress under oath. now senate intelligence chairman saying she may have to do just that, just days after resolutions that rice did ask for the names of trump be revealed and exped in documents, we bring that you interview. also, expert analysis, dr. ron paul warns your civil rights are being trampled. and the man who interrogated a terrorist mastermind behind 9/11, james mitchell. all here all tonight. welcome to "risk & reward," i am elizabeth mcdonald in for deirdre bolton. computer log left from the white house, shows that susan rica's interest in the nsa docks started last july when trump won the g.o.p. nomination. rice ordered spy agencies to produce detail spreadsheets involving trump and his aides. ricin issuely saying -- rice, initially saying she did not know anything about this. reporter: identifying americans in the intelligence reports was appropriate but there is no clarity on national security issue that justified the unmasks, because the inte intelligence reports were not related to russia

susan rice is a name republicans can really rally behind. not in a good way. >> susan irice was sent out by hillary clinton by proxy that thing about attack was incited from a youtube video that turned out at least from what i can tell not to be true. susan rice came out today and is in a bind because she can't talk about the things that are classified. masking in and of itself, that's not a crime. it is not improper. it happens all the time. the question is how do these names get leaked beyond the unmasking. that's been a real concern. democrats and republicans should be very concerned about it. >> joel, how do democrats keep the focus on the substance of this investigation, whether or not the trump campaign was coordinating with russia and not allow a distraction like whether or not susan rice in the course of her duties may have unmasked names that came to her in intelligence reports? >> let's first of all put in context what the name unmasking means. it doesn't means leaking. it means a person with a high security clearance can see which

people in washington are eager to justify susan rice's action.thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: why wouldn't we be concerned that she had access to this information and did something unusual with it? >> tucker, as you know, i'm a life-long republican. i was an adviser to mitt romney and mccain. i am no susan rice defender. i'm no defender of the obama administration. if they did something wrong, they should be exposed. my concern is that we have not seen credible evidence of wrongdoing and my real concern is that this is largely a smokescreen concocted by the white house to distract attention from the scandal that the russian intelligence service intervened in our election. the fbi is investigating whether there is collusion and his senior aides. we need to get to the bottom of this. we need an independent commission and special council. let's throw in all these allegations that trump is throwing out against susan rice. >> tucker: i don't think this is about trump. i know you don't care for trump. independent and apart fro

former obama national security adviser susan rice spoke to my colleague, andrea mitchell moments ago.n an exclusive interview, rice is denying reports that she or anyone in the obama administtion used intelligence material for political purposes. >> it's important for everybody to understand, the president of the united states and people in the white house do not have the ability to order such collection. that can only come through the justice department through an established process. it never originated in the white house. so not only did it not occur, it didn't occur and it couldn't have occurred directed by the white house. >> let's bring in california democratic congressman eric swallwell. congressman, i want you to respond first to the allegations against ambassador rice and her interview with andrea mitchell. what do you make of this -- of the allegations that she unmasked trump associations or people in the trump campaign for political purposes? >> there's no evidence of that. of course, as a national security adviser, it's her job to review foreign intelligence reports. and i

susan rice is denying that politics played a role, that it was done in the interest of national securitybut many republicans don't buy that. they're ramping up their calls for rice to testify under oath. in a letter to the house and senate intelligence committees, three former members of the transition team say we demand that ms. rice be called before congress in order to discuss her motivations for these actions. if true, her behavior appears negligent at best, criminal at worst. mitch mcconnell backs an investigation. watch. >> i've asked the intelligence committee to conduct a bipartisan investigation of this whole episode. they will conduct it. hopefully at the end we'll find out what happened and they'll issue a report, i hope on a bipartisan basis, and anything related to susan rice, or any of these other suggestions, will be handled by the intelligence committee. >> harris: at the white house, press secretary sean spicer yesterday with strong reaction to rice's denials, telling the media rice seemed to contradict her previous comments on pbs when she said she knew nothing about re

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here was tom cotton on the top offic of susan rice. >> susan rice is the typhoid mary of the obama administration policy. every time something turned out wrong she was right in the middle of it. >> beiana, that was one of the talking points to your earlier point, this is the latest kind of deflect and replace. meantime, we have actual foreign policy going on around the world. we have tragedies. we have potential crises. so the question i think is asked fairly f this was an unforced error, a problem of their own making, what about the problem of what's going on around the world. >> that's right. it's all fine while we are talking about this with an economy that's relatively healthy. but we did see the first international cries wyss the tragedy in syria. and we saw how the administration responded to that, offering very few words and saying it's really on russia and iran to figure out what's going on in syria. this was a huge blemish for the obama administration. yet this administration seems to say okay our previous administration is to blame and we are not going to do anything about it either. th

shannon. >> shannon: where does susan rice stand legally? some experts say she was just doing her job and well within her rights as national security adviser. our next guest, ambassador john bolton think rice could be in serious trouble. >> she was committed a kind of fraud on the intelligence gathering system and if she participated in that kind of fraud to help facilitate the political misuse of that intelligence she has serious legal problems. 2 not me! somebody will get it... ♪ (dog barking) anyone can dream. making it a reality is the hard part. from the b-2 to the upcoming b-21, northrop grumman stealth bombers give america an advantage in a turbulent world. and we're looking for a few dreamers to join us. does your child need help with digestive balance? try align junior probiotic. so she can have a fraction dominating... status updating... hello-yellow-belt kind of day. get 24/7 digestive support with align junior. the #1 doctor recommended probiotic brand, also for kids. so you'rhow nice.a party? i'll be right there. and the butchery

>> there's eventually going to be a law produce that will have susan rice, how many times she logged in and whose information she looked for. and this takes a while. i can't look at it. >> how likely is it that mrs. rice would be testifying? >> i think it be almost inevitable. >> republican lawmakers beating the brake drums for or obama and a national security advisor susan rice to be hauled before congress to testify about her role in the unmasking of trump associates that have appeared and classified intelligence reports, some of which data has been linked to the news media apparently in violations of federal statutes. at the same time as you saw, president trump telling our chief white house correspondent john robison in a direct phone call today that he believes rice may have committed a crime. ambassador rice we should point out has not been formally accused of any crimes and has denied wrongdoing. were back with the panel. mercedes, do you see this clamor for susan rice to testify on the hill and apparently she is named in the emerging witness list for the house intelligence com

susan rice is calling accusations she mishandled intelligence information and targeted members of trump team false. rice responding after fox news and other news outlets said who is the one that asked officials for the names of trump associates caught up in surveillance. that means revealing the names in intelligence reports not to the public. here's susan rice. >> there were occasions when i would receive a report in which a u.s. person was referred to. name not provided. just u.s. person. sometimes in order to understand the importance of the report and access its significance, it was necessary to find out as to who the u.s. official was. >> more in that interview in just a moment. rice saying she and other officials would request the information only to protect the american people. she said she never did it for political purposes and she never leaked any information to anybody, her words earlier today. all this coming after house intelligence chairman devin nunes told reporters that trump transition officials and even the president himself may have gotten swept up in surveillance of

susan rice spoke today.ow we have actually the senate and house intel committees both saying that they would like to have her come up and talk to them. will we hear from anybody else? final word. >> look, i have said for a very long time we need an independent probe into this. charles krauthammer is absolutely right. it's gotten way too toxic. we need a respected bipartisan coalition of people whoever they may be. i don't know who they would be. maybe tom kaine and lee again, people who did the 9/11 commission to get to the bottom of this. i think we are all, republicans and democrats, need to know exactly what went on with respect to raush, maybe nothing, maybe something big. i think it's time we get to the bottom of it and leave politics out of it. charles is right et world is on fire we need to make sure the a russians are not going to continue this with us or our allies going forward. >> dana: thank you some. appreciate it up next you won't see et susan rice developments anywhere else as some in the medi

also breaking, former obama nshl security advisors susan rice is speaking out about reports that she sought to unmask the identities of trump associates caught up in the surveillance of foreigners. rice denies any wrong doing or attempt by the obama administration to use intelligence for political purposes. >>> a chemical attack against innocent civilians in syria can't be ignored. sources indicate that gas was likely used. no word as to how the united states will respond. the white house blaming bashar assad are claiming it's a weakness of president obama's weakness toward the syrian regime. let's go to cnn chief national security correspondent. jim, you've been working your sources on this russian investigation. what's the latest? >> a source tells me that the investigation committees are interested in looking at these meetings between trump associates and russians during the transition. sd did u.s. sanctions and a relaxing of u.s. sanctions come up in those talks? >> reporter: tonight the timing and proximity of meetings between trump advisors and russians are raising concerns. in

what they were able to do and we know it went to susan rice. we know former cia director john brennan was allowed to do this and james clapper. they had the ability to request unmasked american foreign to foreign raw intelligence. highly classified. >> sean: even if it was legitimate intelligence gathering, they are using that as a means to spy on innocent americans without the benefit of a warrant. a good way to put it. >> yes, that's certainly what intelligent sources are saying. they are saying look, this is not about the unmasking only. it's about why did they specifically unmask -- susan rice in particular -- at this point, from july, all the way back to july -- because >> sean: will would be the reason short of they want to use they want to use intelligence gathering as a ruse to get to the trump campaign to get to trump? >> if it goes back to july, these are the questions you have to ask. according to the sources i've spoken with, it goes back to july. it happened again and november and it happened exponentially in november through janua

liz: we shouldn't be focusing on susan rice.n't know if she did anything illegal. >> we should be focusing on her. >> she hasn't done anything illegal as far as we know. >> if we continue to look at the trail of her unmasking names of trump official for political reasons is illegal and deplorable.ainst thlaw, it's a crime. kathy, i would like your take own this story. we have an unequal pay controversy for a well-known democrats. senator elizabeth warren doesn't pay her female staffers the same as male staffers. i know she called herself a nasty woman, it's a play on donald trump ding the campaign. >> we nasty women are going to march our nasty feet to cast our nasty votes to get you out of our lives forever. liz: it turns out the women who worked for senator warren get a pretty nasty paycheck. they make about $20,000 less than male workers. we reached out to senator warren for comments. nothing yet. >> it's unfortunate because i am a nasty woman and i support everything she believes in. but in this case it's do as i say and not

he accuses susan rice of committing a crime flat out. the president said quote, no, you have a lot of information. no, you have so much information. do you think she might have committed a crime? the president replied yes. i think. and the former undersecretary for foreign affairs and still with us defense, jeremy bash. how do you come out and criminalize a former u.s. ambassador, former security advisor with a glaring, yawning lack of evidence so far? >> it's not just lack of evidence, it's lack of knowledge about the whole process. this kind of ignorance of how the intelligence process works, that intelligence services give you that information. i went to just look at the number of fisa requests, 702 requests that then ask for an unmasking of a u.s. person. about a quarter of them do. it's not unusual. something like 500 u.s. citizens names were revealed in 2015. having looked through those reports myself, you often see a name redacted or it says a u.s. person. most of the time it doesn't seem relevant. but if you're the national secur

no evidence president trump tells the "new york times" he thinks obama national security adviser susan rice committed a crime by seeking the identities of trump associates who were caught up in surveillance of foreign officials. democrats say republicans are slandering rice to distract from the investigation into russia's election meddling and ties between trump associates and russia. >>> and president trump has removed his chief strategist steve bannon from the national security council saying the president made the decision him investment the move strengthens national security advisers h.r. mcmaster and republican sources say it's the first public diminishing of bannon's powerful role inside the white house. i'll talk to congressman jim himes of the house intelligence committee and our correspondents, analysts and guests are standing by with full coverage of the day's top stories. let's begin with president trump. juggling world crises and voicing horror at the deadly gas attack against civilians, including children in syria, our senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny is joining us

this is what susan rice said when she was asked

let's start with susan rice. calling for unmasks of american citizens, and incredibly there no penalty at least as far as we've been able to determine for her conduct if these allegations turn out to be all of them true. >> that may be true depending on the facts. but even if there is no statute that specifically prohibits that, if that conduct is the case, that is an abuse of power, american people should be upset. we have figure out who was unmasked and why, and what that information used for, if that is the same information that been illegally leaked to press time and time again to kn cap this president, tn i think you may have something. lou: all of a sudden, national left wing media is backing off. remember the mocking tone taken by what president trump called failing "new york times," and various left wing media outlets, this is now, would you not say, i mean this is a major scandal? >> absolutely, they ran all these stories where there was no factual basis, they would say, well, it may be the case there wa

susan rice asked for comment parent hasn't responded. one senses she probably would be quick to say so. we can't conclude definitely this is the real deal, but there is real evidence. it certainly confirms that this whole thing about the surveillance and trump associate in the unmasking of their names and identities. is a legitimate threat or these investigations going over. nicole: click or men at white house this in detail. reporter: susan rice requested the unmasking of names that those close to president trump campaign for bed. though it that the obama white house squarely at the center estimates was president of him is former national security adviser. unmasking is the process of revealing someone's identity for intelligence purposes. if there's no intelligence value, their names are not that these within the intelligence community. the question is that there was sent for legitimate intelligence purposes or if there was some political motive. house intelligence committee chairman congressman devin nunes first raised the question las

so, when it comes to susan rice and ben rhodes, verify, don't trust. sharyl: ben rhodes was president obama's deputy national security advisor. in an interview with msnbc earlier this month, susan rice said it wasn't unusual for her u.s. citizens caught in intel surveillance. but she said it was for context, not political reasons and that she, "didn't leak nothing to nobody." sharyl: coming up on "full measure." with tax day nearly here, we'll investigate how the government can legally empty your bank account when you've committed no crim sharyl: a new development in the story i first heard working six years ago. in the murder of border patrol agent brian terry has finally been arrested in mexico. heraclio osorio-arellanes will be extradited to the u.s. terry was murdered in arizona by illegal immigrants armed with weapons the feds secretly allowed to be trafficked to drug cartels. atf agent john dodson publicly blew the whistle on the government operation in an interview with me in 2011. at least 69 deaths have been linked to criminals who used weapon

susan rice denies leaking anything. republican lawmakers don't believe her and want her to testify under oath. meanwhile, democrats say issues keep dropping in the russian investigation. chief white house correspondent john roberts starts us off from the north lawn. good evening. >> good evening. while democrats tend to defend susan rice, republicans like senator lindsey graham say her track record which includes praising sergeant bowe bergdahl and getting blamed for the benghazi attack mean that when it comes to susan rice, "you have to verify, not trust." former national security advisor susan rice did not deny today she asked for the names of trump campaign and transition officials to be unmasked in intelligence reports. insisting that in general the practice was pretty routine. >> and orders understand the importance of the report and assess its significance, it was necessary to find out or request the information as to who that u.s. official was. >> what she did dispute was an apolitical motivation in the unmasking

the president began by talking about susan rice in an interview that we had previously scheduled with him to talk about his infrastructure plan which is still in it's early stages, and i talked about the president and the possibly supreme court justice neil gorsuch and the president started talking about susan rice, about how this is a big story, it is going to become the biggest story, he intimated without powering any evidence, there are other people involved in this, and he was adamant that she had done something wrong and improper, suggested it was not getting the media attention that it deserved including the times and other papers. and when i went on to say do you think she may have committed a crime, he said do i think? he said yes i think. i said do you have any intelligence that relates to this? and this man has a habit of escalating and also when he has previously made claims that he will provide additional information for, and he has not. so we'll see where this goes. >> he didn't offer any evidence to support the accusation? >> reporter: he did not, he said there were othe

john roberts, president trump believes susan rice committed a crime in the unmasking of officials cooped those intelligence reports. vice president pence is latest to call on rice to say he believes the american people have a right to know. >> surveillance of any private citizen in this country and identity of the citizens was revealed people should know why and the fact that it involved our campaign and transition should be deeply troubling to anyone. >> reporter: one lawmaker, peter king, sits on the intelligence committee, says he is familiar with this. and could include, quote, every day details. will she testify, will she plead the fifth, >> >> people in charge, susan rice asked for, and if she takes the fifth, that would be stunning. >> utilize intelligence reports, we hear from sources, and we are cooperating with these investigations a little later. >> the question remains who asked her to do it. >> susan rice to testify under oath, democrats still refuse to take these unmasking allegations seriously, eric's wallwell telling martha maccallum he thinks donald trump is making this

this is what susan rice said when she was asked

what susan rice probably did is definitely worth an investigation.t's not the same as talking about wiretapping. >> james: here is what one prominent senator, well, he caucuses with the democrats. angus king of maine. >> that obscures the much, much larger issue of what did the russians do in our campaign? how did they do it? was there a relationship with one of the other of the campaigns? >> james: is that the big story? >> it's one of the big stories but not the only one. this is the line we've heard from democrats and their allies for weeks. there's only one thing that matters, and that's russia and what did russia do? i believe that's important to be resolved enough to be checked thoroughly but they have simultaneously argued that the questions about the leaks, the new questions about unmasking, why was susan rice asking for this. it's harder to argue now that that's story, aside tail. >> james: chairman nunes has said that if you review, not many of us will have the opportunity to do, but if one reviews the paper trail around the intelligence re

he was talking about susan rice. now, whatever you think the former national security advisor has done wrong, if in fact she's done anything wrong at all, it's hard to imagine when the community and the president himself are coming to terms with a gas attack in syria. we do use the term -- in fact he uses a number of souperalives hin his rarkz. >> one of the biggest events. it was the biggest leck toral college win since ronald reagan. one of the big things on the internet was trump was 100% right about brussels. the biggest increase in 45 years. this is the biggest political scandal since watergate. we're getting the biggest crowds, the greatest people. and we have by far the biggest rallies people have seen. >> if so many things are described as the biggest or the best or the most, how to tell what's really important to the president. gnaw to panel, not the biggest we've ever had but certainly the bestest. keirsten, it is interesting that the president always uses these nurmzch and after a while they start to lose

former national security adviser susan rice. >> i believe susan rice abused the system, and she did it for political purposes. she needs to be brought in and questioned under oath. >> in terms of political manipulation of national security information, susan rice, in my view, has done it in the past. when it comes to susan rice, you need to verify, not trust. >> susan rice is the typhoid mary of the obama administration foreign policy. every time something went wrong, she seemed to turn up in the middle of it, whether it was benghazi -- >> what is it that susan rice is supposed to have done? well, republicans say she tried to access the names of u.s. individuals caught up in intelligence surveillance, a process known as unmasking, and somehow abused her position for some nefarious political end. is any of that true? well, today in an exclusive interview with andrea mitchell, susan rice got a chance to answer the allegations herself. >> the allegation is that somehow obama administration officials utilized intelligence for political purposes. that's absolutely false. >> did you seek the

out calling her as a witness. >> if there is intelligence that leads us to a reason to look at susan rice, then we'll do it. howie: candidate by reporters if he thought rice committed a crime, the president says he thinks she did. fox news senior judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano says rice's actions may have been criminal. he joins us tonight. president trump promised to build that wall. but his homeland security secretary doesn't seem to be overly committed to the idea. >> it's unlikely we'll build a physical barrier from sea to shining sea. lou: the executive director of the national immigration forum joins me. and the co-founder of the house freedom caucus, congressman jim jordan. he's taking part in those renews efforts to repeal and replace obamacare. deep divisions remain and so far no sign of a deal. good evening. susan rice is defending her request to unmask trump campaign and transition officials who were inadvertently surveilled by the nsa. she calls her request routine. it's clear also the requests were anything but routine, and were actually he unusual. according to mem

did susan rice do it?don't know yet. >> julie: thank you very much, we appreciate it. >> jon: right now, russia is still firmly backing the al-assad regime, glenda vladimn -- president trump said the attack in syria crossed many lines for him. nikki haley pointed the finger at russia for enabling syria. >> russia has shielded al-assad from sanctions. if russia has the power in syria that it claims to have, we need to see the music. we need to see them put an end to these terroristic acts. a >> jon: joining now, lieutenant colonel michael walt's. are there any good options for the white house in syria right now? >> there's a number of options and to take a step back, i'm glad that president trump brought up the 2012 redline. i would add to that that president obama essentially made meaningless, i would add to that in 2015, the u.n. new that the syrian regime had kept its chemical weapons and still, we did nothing. i do think in the short term, we have to do something. we cannot let this stand. one option co

all at the request of president obama's top security official susan rice.xperts from across the intel community are now urging americans to think twice before they take the rices brush off of this at face value. it a two decade cia veteran cautions this "rices denials don't add up. it's hard to fathom how the d masking of multiple trump campaign and transition officials was not politically motivated." it joining me now, the intel committee and her appearance at any panel would represent an unnecessary hurdle is it earlier. welcome. why would it be an unnecessary hurdle? >> because there's no evidence that there was any wrongdoing but if the republicans think that this has to be on the witness list, will clear that hurdle and make it to the finish line and we are determined to do that. >> martha: you're saying you don't believe that there are two sides to this investigation and, that there is the side of the unmasking issue and whether or not there was an effort by the prior administration to observe or curtail them to damage them and the other side of it wh

susan rice's claim that president obama got syria to quote verifiably give up its chemical weapon stockpile. rice made that claim this year in 2017. even though obama's director national intelligence james clapper, he told congress a year ago it was not true. that syria still had chemical weapons. the un said it was still using chemical weapons dating back to 2013 to 2014 and 2015. and look at this. the washington post gave susan rice four pinocchio. that's the worst generating that they give to statements that are completely false. my next guest says you know what? he's used to susan rice giving false statements. he's chris. good to see you. >> good to see you. i'm not in the back of a car this time trying to get to you in the studio. liz: that worked out. it was really high-tech of you. it was cool. >> challenging. yes, ma'am. liz: what do you make of the post saying rice's statement is flat out false? >> well, they're spot on and believe me, i don't say the post is spot on very often either. so that's something if the post is getting it right and actually, susan rice is, again, credibili