today we are talking about codependence in the family and our guest is svetlana yarumchik, who works atives of dependent people and conducts trainings and seminars for them. hello svetlana. please tell us in what case under what circumstances people contact you and what happens at your trainings, mostly people who have such a concept. uh, addicts hit rock bottom. yes, they hit the bottom as? well, they are co-dependents, they don't drink, but emotionally their psychological state is already in such a day at such a limit that, well, they don't understand. yes, what to do and, well, of course, hmm, it's mostly they somehow find out there through acquaintances. and they come with a request, help so and how do you help? well they are with a request help give me a magic wand. do it on 1 2 3, and so that i recover and so that my loved one is still dependent, if the family is dependent exactly where there is an addiction, too, somehow. uh, i didn’t recover at all, but at first he recovered even when i was still working in psychiatry. this is about the fact that when e calls with a woman, he