there are several tea party groups, there are several tea party movements.andidates going to either appeal to one if not all of them, or how is anyone going to know there are distinguishing factors to these groups? >> that's an excellent question. one that not a lot of people realize. the tea party for as long as i've been covering them, they've wrapped themselves around a common set of ideals, fred. even within the movement there are basically cracks in the wall, if you will. different factions. sometimes they're actually warring. paul and i have been covering this movement for a while. there was one major tea party group that didn't want any increase in the debt ceiling. there was another one that was saying, yeah, you can increase it but not unless there's significant spending cuts. so there are different factions in the tea party movement. in terms of mollifying all of them, the candidates certainly will. but will they be able to is the question. they will definitely come out and espouse theirduced spendinga care, decrying obamacare. >> mollifying. that'

he's not a tea party -- there isn't really a tea party candidate but he's definitely not a tea partyith what the tea party stands for. grass roots picked up on that. a lot of the things? >> that becomes tricky. a lot of the things tea party stands for, certainly the most newsworthy, are not the things some republicans and plain fiscal conservatives stand for. at what point does that start to parch itself out? >> right now nothing united states the people like a threat from mars. the biggest threat in the republican party and among tea party voters is the economy. and the concern that america is in economic decline. we're going to leave our children something less of a country. >> is that going to start to squeeze out the more divisive social issues that some parts of the tea party are involved in? >> i don't think anyone -- i'm not saying that attention to social issues is irrelevant or these issues are somewhat unimportant, but right now that's not going to pay the bills or put food on the table. people are focused on the economy. it comes down to jobs, to easing up on regulations a

energize the democratic base look no further than the tea party. >> as far as i am concerned the tea party can go to -- >> the real -- >> reporter: members of the black caucus accused tea party activist of kicking the poor and racism. >> tea party's movement -- >> reporter: asked about the comments he defended the remarks. >> my intentions weren't to hurt anyone or any group. i wanted to speak to the issues that concern me and the issues that concern me as it relates to certain leapership within the tea party tea party. >> it's a testament to the power the movement is having. we have them running scared right now. we are a left to their agenda and they don't know what to do. >> reporter: there are other tea party questions brewing. such as the small crowds and when the tea party expressed allowed to allow mitt romney to speak and freedom groups bailed from the tour. the group will protest mitt romney. >> he has been dismissive of the tea party movement. now that he is struggling he speaks the tea party movement around the country. i think he wants the tea party vote. >> mitt romney w

tea party group, freedomworks, bailed from the bus tour. s tea partyers will go to protest romney, some call the father of oobamney care. >> he's been dismissive of the tea party movement, but now he seeks to pander to the tea party movement in new hampshire and across the country. >> you think he needs the tea party movement? >> i think he wants the tea party vote. >> reporter: then there's sarah palin. first she's in, then she's out, and then she's in at a tea party event scheduled this weekend in iowa. coincidentally, christine o'donnell was disinvited twice from the same gathering. jim acosta, cnn, washington. >> donna brazile and mary matalin are both weighing in on congressman carson's explosive charge that the tea party movement would like to see him hanging on a tree. stand by for our strategy session. >>> also, hard evidence of a brutal massacre in libya. some of moammar gadhafi's ugly secrets uncovered. wer cholesterl and who ordered the yummy cereal? yummy. that's yours. lower cholesterol. lower cholesterol. i'm yummy. lower chole

>> the tea party plan is to send a conservative to washington. s a direct result of people being frustrated and angry with both political parties but especially the republican party. they have gotten away from the conservative values. so we want a conservative in washington. not necessarily a republican. >> but the people on stage obviously tomorrow night are all republicans. what is the tea party looking for them to say tomorrow night? >> we want to know who is going to turn this economy around. it's about jobs, jobs, jobs. that's what americans are concerned about now. >> what about candidates like john huntsman. he's trying to present himself to people as someone who is a viable candidate. what does he have to do? >> i think he has to move off what he tried in the last debate which was trying to make the unusual case of saying, look, i can be elected in the general election, but because i am not all that unacceptable to independents or to crossover democrats. that's not what you normally want to hear if you are a gop primary voter. he's got his

not all tea party activists are closed-border tea party activists. are very much -- very free trade and supportive. you know, he's gotten the endorsement of brian sandoval, the governor of nevada, and that will boost him on the electability scale and i think things like this some tea party activists are starting to realize none of the candidates are perfect, they'll not get their perfect candidate. we'll see. i suspect if the candidates play it right, immigration will be his achilles' heel now, that hpv has kind of imploded. but i think perry's going to be able to get a message that will sell to the tea party activists. >> there are a lot of people on the left who don't like the tea party who have pre pejorative labels. and wolf blitzer asked ron paul a hypothetical, what if a young person doesn't get health insurance if you repeal obama care was the context and that 30-year-old gets sick, tragically sick, who pays for it? i want you to listen here. >> but what he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for himself. my advice t

team up with the tea party if you like that's a little confusing why would they team up with the tea party express why would fox news do it or you know what gives the tea party express so much power and kind of question about that actually people have been criticizing them for tea party meet up with what's essentially a large political pac and giving them all their time but you know the tea party is an important part of the public an electorate these days you know in two thousand and ten they led to so many of those primaries that we saw you know sharon angle christine o'donnell you have the tea party express in part to think for beating their means your republican opponent so if you're in a link with the tea party somewhere you know it's not the worst group to do it with in terms of their actual power their actual influence on the tea party movement but i definitely think there's some there's some question as to sort of whether they're giving a big tea party or not just by letting them do this but we have to hear questions from real tea partiers were. it would be helpful to be yeah i

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i think in large part because of the tea party's influence. >> because of the tea party's influence. this is a big election in a lot of ways. the country's on the edge of an economic precipice. we don't know where we're going, how we'll dig ourselves out of a hole. a fear america's in decline and we'll leave our country with less for our children. that's never happened before. the fight politically are so tough because it's very different how we'll dig ourselves out. >> is that lesson for our children real or rhetoric? we've gone through bad times before. had unemployment. >> but never had confidence down. that's important. when you ask americans on a survey do you think your children will have it better than you did, for the first time, more americans think, no, our children are not than do. that doesn't happen in this country. this has always been the land of lem itless frontiers. we believe we can do anything as americans. that's in doubt. we've lost confidence and frankly it begins at the white house at the to put. our president is telling us only he can get us out. only washingt

so is a tea party backed candidate likely to fair better, feel more compelled to appeal to tea party rs at this debate such as a michele bachmann, for instance? >> reporter: that's -- that's why they're here. this is the core of the republican party, the heart of it. these candidates are going home tonight. now, for rick perry, that's good news. he's very close to the tea party. he's -- he kind of represents their anger. for mitt romney, that's a little different. he's more of the establishment republican. for mitt romney it's an away game tonight. for rick perry it's a home game. >> perry and romney, they have not been seeing eye to eye as it pertains to social security. is that battle likely to carry out on this stage as well? >> reporter: yes. i think, you know, usually you don't start political campaigns by setting grandma's hair on fire. that's what rick perry seemed to do the other night. he said not only that social security is a ponzi scheme, which a lot of these republicans believe. they think, you know, there's no fund in the security trust fund. there's no -- there's no mon

the tea party won't let the republican party hand you somebody.licans, are you very angry about the way things are going in the country today? 50% of tea party republicans are very angry. only 29% of other republicans are angry. does that convince you you have the energy, the intensity, to deliver on your promise? a lot of the establishment says -- no way. >> absolutely, john. when you introduced that i was happy to hear you call them "establishment republicans" because when i read the poll they called them "moderate" republicans. this is tea party versus establishment republicans and i say the establishment republicans ant as engaged as we are and when you look at what happened in 2010, there were candidates outspent 6-7-1. and they won because they had the boots on the ground. the passion and fire and energy with these activists to propel them to victory and i believe that whoever wins the nomination is going to have that -- have to have that passion, fire in the belly and boots on the ground like they did back in 2010. so i think it's a good th

the only question now is whether the tea party, the tea party-driven republican movement wants to one run of their own, rick perry, or is so angry at obama or so determined to whisk him from the white house that they are willing to have someone as their candidate, someone who, mitt romney, long had his heart set on the white house works never in a million years have shown up at a tea party meeting, and that's fair to say about mitt romney, and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >>> if you liked yes, we can, you're going to love pass this bill. >> pass the bill. pass the bill. pass the bill. >> pass this bill! hey, pass this bill. hey, republicans, you really going against a theme song. tonight, the president slams the gop and demands fast action. will they hear the people? and america, meet your republican party. boos for treating a man who doesn't have health insurance, and bizarre attacks on protecting women's health. the grand ole party fell into the teapot. plus, breaking news. elizabeth warren, the woman who t

the second has been the tea party.he only way obama wins the presidency in 15 months is to demonize, to make hateful and to smear tea party members, despite what they say. >> sean: i think it backfires. >> did it work in 2010? it will not work in 2012. he can spend his billion dollars from michael meyers' friends on wall street. he can spend all the money he wants -- >> i don't have any friends on wall street. [ laughing ] >> you can't put whip cream on ex- and eat it and it is not going to work. excrement and it is not going to work. >> you can put whip cream and ex- and it will still taste the same. >> i don't know about that. >> sean: when we are dividing the country, rich vs. poor, black vs. white, what happened to the era of civility? >> people never believed in civility. in that moment of tragedy that gets people to give words meaning they don't have. i never believed that. [ talking over each other ] >> i have one real fear. there might be a jared loughner out there, a crazy individual that listens to the rhetor

he also leans among non-tea party supporters. getting twin%. hose who describe themsees as moderate or liberal republicans, which is still a quarter of the republican party. >> okay. problem for on the republican side. they haven't settled. the voters month after month after month there is somebody new that's hot or whatever else it is. >> this 38 is a big number. romney has yet to hit that number when he was the front runner. >> exactly right, but in the bottom line, they're all still being tested. none of them have proved that they're ready, because we looked at them not only in terms of feeling thermometers and not in terms of how interesting they are as president. every element, they have to prove themselves. as you say, for the president, it's tough times. the republicans, they're going to go through tough times this fall and in the spring. >> bill, both republicans, the two front runners, rick perry and mitt romney start with a net negative feeling thermometer rating, the rez is still at 44-44. one to one, not good at all, but romney and p

i'm not head of the tea party. there is no head of the tea party. the good thing about the tea party, there is no head of it. there are thousands of leaders that become active as citizens. as americans understand more about that, that's something they really appreciate. >> you have kept your powder dry, as they say, when it comes to selecting somebody that you think will be your choice for the presidential nominee from the republican party. i understand you want to hear from them and all of that, but what i want to know is when you look at the slate of republicans who are in there now, is there anyone you could not support should they win the nomination? >> well, candy, i appreciate cnn doing the forum we are doing on monday. this is a chance for the candidates to define themselves in their own terms. we picked the candidates that are over 5% of the poll so we narrowed the field a little. they all have strengths. there is no one in the group that i could not support as a nominee, and nobody that could not do a better job than the current president.

the real enemy is the tea party movement.is the strategy or thinking considering it was not effective in 2010? >> president and democrats are trying to demonize the tea party movement and then everything republicans do like they said my forum was a tea party forum. tea parties weren't involved with organizing the forum. everyone who disagrees with the president now is a tea party member. the problem he has, 60% of americans think we are on the wrong track. 70% think we need to balance the budget. the president is taking on the american people. and the american voters. they disagree him. he's calling them all tea party members if they don't agree with him. he can run on his record. he's got to demonize the active citizens taking him on. i expect to hear more of it, just like we heard from jim hoffa. if a republican or conservative had said what was said at that meeting, we would be taken to task by every media outlet in the country. >> sean: are you confident that the republicans are going to unite against the president's spen

tea party is more conservative.her republicans. some of it is style. i want you to listen here. perry and romney best epitomize this. listen to governor perry talking to "time" magazine, they wanted to know if he wanted to back off of saying that he thinks the obama administration is socialist? >> no, i still believe they're socialist. their policies that almost daily. i mean, look, when all of the answers emanate from washington, d.c., one size fits all, whether it's education policy or whether it's health care policy, that's, on its face, socialism. >> that is, on its face, socialism, the texas governor says. my friend, wolf blitzer, asked the massachusetts governor if he agreed. >> words have a lot of unintended meanings and calling people "socialists" probably goes beyond the fact that it is true that president obama's team and the president himself seem to believe that government has a better approach to our economy than does the private sector, and i disagree with that approach. i don't use the word "socialist

it now the tea party, has it become the when i party? has the modern republican party been taken over by those that see government as evil? whether you listen to congresswoman bachmann speaking of having taken a job in the irs with the single purpose of studying the enemy. are you listening to republicans? or to something more rad cat, something a traditional republican would hear as alien. here's what i'm hearing. ask a regular republican to choose between palin and obama. she'll say grudgingly, okay, obama. ask her to choose between obama and rick perry, and she'll start to think. that's where we are politically in this week in this country. that's "hardball" for now. thank for being with you. glad to be back from vacation. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. tonight they get down to business, protecting the american worker s. daring rpg to get in their way. mitt romney unveils his job plan. why start creating jobs now, willard? plus shocking new tapes from inside the tea party retreat. did they really compare presiden

you're doing it, tea party americans.wing, creating the change, the real change that is needed. tea party independent common sense, constitutionalists that love this country in good times and in tough times, who are always proud of america and never apologize for the red, white and blue. it's tea party americans who are making that change that is needed. so whether you are here for the first time, in alaska we call a first timer, we call them chau chalk yoes, or maybe a sourdough now. and we thank sal for putting this altogether. and for the first time or not, i believe that who are sincere in the effort to restore our country, you are welcome here. it's time now to grow the tea party movement. let's talk straight about how we can do that, and let's talk straight about some of the problems in trying to grow this movement that is so needed. it's media incited internal j jobables unfortunately. our challenges today are too great. we don't have time to be bogged down in internal conflicts and frenedly fire conflicts, the tim

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that tea party movement is not here to send a republican to washington. we are here to send a conservative to washington. we're not going to except what the republican party hands as. -- accept what the republican party hands us. i do not think -- >> there seems to be up here among the tea party tonight go outside. >> we want to defeat iraq a party. this movement is a directs -- direct result of people being frustrated and angry with both political parties. that is what we're doing. you could see everyone moving to the right, not only the republicans but the democrats. when did you seen democrats otherwise talk about cutting spending? about thel's comments military, it you think that he will get support from the tea party? >> i do not know very we will have to see how that plays out. congressman paul, i will say, we flak from his supporters. we just did a bus tour all the way to a tampa, florida. he had an open invitation to come to every single one of our stops and he did not show up. it is hard for us to work with someone who does not come out and suppor

can rick perry unite the tea party and the establishment? the eastern and western conferences if will you of the party? or can mitt romney make the case that he's the only guy of those two especially who can actually defeat president obama because of what may well be the already spoken excessiveness of mr. perry? you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. ♪ [ male announcer ] unlike some car companies, nissan is running at 100%, which means the most innovative cars are also the most available cars. nissan. innovation for today. innovation for all. ♪ >>> house speaker boehner announced he'll host one of a dozen business leaders during the address. federal regs are keeping them from hiring workers. among them is the head of gibson guitars. gibson has become a cause celeb lately. the gibson factory in tennessee ras raided last month and the company is under investigation by the justice department for using wood banned in the country. the ceo says that investigation may force american workers to lose their job. so there you have it. we'll be righ

last night cnn's tea party republican debate. a truly remarkable pairing as a fringe, often derided incompetent bunch yoof ho of yas granted legitimacy by pairing with the tea party. boom! (cheers and applause) boom! cnn slam! (laughter) i thought you guys were watching that one come from around the corner. i'm surprised that one took you by surprise. the debate, in front of the founding father loving tea party loyalists is the subject of tonight's "indecision 1776: ye unpaved horsetrack to the as yeet unbuilt whit."cnn kicked ie reality show style. >> tonight, eight remembers, one goal: to win the white house and kick barack obama out. tonight's players... >> i love america! i'll fight for america! >> mitt romney. the early front-runner. rick perry, the newcomer. michele bachmann, the firebrand. jon huntsman, the diplomat. ron paul, the libertarian. rick santorum, the fighter. herman cain, the businessman. >> jon: newt gingrich, that guy who left his wife with cancer. (laughter) i got nothing. what? they can't... no? well, they

one of the tea party leaders will be here.hen, warning some, vicious video, parent beat ago teen-ager, not his kid. the culture warriors on that and we're coming right back. >> bill: group called freedom works, which is somewhat aligned with the tea party, will demonstrate against mitt romney this coming weekend in new hampshire. health care driving that protest. joining us from salt lake city, matt, the president of freedom works. so am i right about it, it's health care that's got you teed off against governor romney? >> you know, romneycare is the basis of a lot of tea party frustration with the governor and his inability to step away from what is proven to be a very bad government-run model for healthcare. costs are up both for individuals and the state government and president obama will rightly be able to argue that romneycare was the basis for what is now government-run health care -- >> bill: let me have you react to -- i know the tea party doesn't like obamacare. i don't like it. governor romney doesn't like it. he's

(laughter) this is a tough crowd. >> jon: but, you know, maybe it's this the tea party's ideals are largern one individual. >> what ideals? i mean... (laughter). the party that started out fearing death panels has become one! (laughter) it doesn't make any sense. this is florida. half the population is in a coma. (laughter) i just really don't think that any candidate will ever be good enough. >> jon: well, someone will come along. that's how these types of politics go. another ronald reagan who can... >> whoa? what? are you nuts? ronald reagan was a hollywood commie who raised taxes, grew government and gave amnesty to illegal immigrants. that poor son of a bitch would get eaten alive by this crowd. (laughter and applause) i will go as far as to say that no human being living, dead, or fictional would ever satisfy the tea party. >> jon: that's just not true, al. it's not a... >> you want to go? you want to go, old man? all right, bring it. >> jon: you want know bring it? >> bring it. >> jon: you want know bring it? >> bring it. (cheers and applause). >> jon: all right, they love the found

rick perry is in the lead with tea party supporters. if you broaden it out to the broader republican field, voters who identify with republicans, or leaning republican, well, his lead is not as great over mitt romney. but tonight is going to be a night for rick perry to see if he can keep that lead. it's all eyes on rick perry. mitt romney trying to make himself the candidate, the re-establish himself as a front-runner. michele bachmann trying to reignite her campaign. she is placing far behind the pack. and of course the other candidates trying to make a real impression on a broad swath of voters. you can see it tonight, the tea party debate, live from tampa, florida. the site of the 2012 republican national convention. wolf blitzer will moderate. on at 8:00 p.m. eastern. back to new york with carol and christine. >> ok. we didn't get back to your talk back question. but i'm really sorry, but thank you. continue the conversation. facebook.com/americanmorning. >>> that will do it for us today. "cnn newsroom" starts right now. >>> thanks

i've been talking to the tampa tea party and the head of the tea party and some of the members.y say, listen, we had this idea for a while. we just didn't have one name for it like the tea party. one young lady said, i was involved with freedom works, which they believe is sort of a similar thing. but it's interesting because they don't blame one person. most people think, oh, these people blame barack obama. there are some who do. but they're saying, this started happening under president bush. they blame bush just as much. so they say it's really not about the person in charge, it's not about the party for them. that's what the people i spoke to said. it's really about spending and big government. they say, they don't want to do away with government. they want to limit it. >> limited government, less spending, get the federal government shrunk down. however, we'd be remiss to say the tea party is not wholly aligned with the republican party and they want republicans to win. >> i'm sure there are some independents but for the most part, it's republicans. here's what i'm wonderi

of course, you know, it was really no surprise that the tea party was vocal last night. what was surprising was even party darling rick perry faced their occasional wrath, especially on immigration issues. >> if you are working and pursuing citizenship in the state of texas, you pay in-state tuition there. no matter how you got into that state from the standpoint of f your parents brought you there or what have you. (boos) and that's what we've done in the state of texas and i'm proud. >> jon: boo! put them in a coma and kill them! (laughter) we're still talking about poker, right? (laughter) with more reaction to this with turn to senior political correspondent al madrigal who was at last night's debate. (cheers and applause) al, nice to see you. what are your impressions of what happened last night? >> i really don't know what's going on with these guys. all right, jon, that booed rick perry. i get that they're not into romney, but per industry the guy executed 234 people, gunned down a coyote on his morning jog! (laughter) but he mentions mexicans and college in the sa

he is also out in front with the tea party. stop a tea party crowd from booing when they heard policy that didn't fit on their platform. >>> if you are working and pursuing citizenship in the state of texas, you pay in state tuition there. and the bottom line is it doesn't make any difference what the sound of your last name is. that is the american way. no matter how you got into that state from the standpoint of your parents brought you there or what have you than's what we've done in the state of texas. >> sal russo is the chief strategist for the tea party express and joins me this morning. i want to get straight to it. a new poll says 42% of republican voters believe governor perry has the best chance against president obama. but in your estimation can he keep tea party supporters with the kind of stance that he showed last night on immigration? >> well, look. you know, one thing i think ever has to keep in mind is the tea party movement is a very broad based middle class movement that is concerned about the size and intru

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is making a bet that the establishment republican party, it used to be -- now we talk about the tea partyit used to be the evangelicals, then you have states like south carolina where you have establishment -- i don't mean this in a pejorative way, the establishment republican party kicks in from south carolina on south carolina usually has a huge impact on the race, nobody knows if the old rules apply, because the tea party was such an anomaly, a new force. 2008 was such a force when you see obama beating clinton. we don't know. what will the electorate be like, for the republicans it's in a few months. for the democrats it's in november 2012, as they attack the republicans, what will the electorate look like, we don't know. >> i also think what you're seeing is this fight within the republican party, i couldn't help but watch the debate and you saw jon huntsman and mitt romney, they looked like the old time establishment republican candidates struggling to kind of say, okay, this is the way we're going to take the party, mitt romney, it's his turn to be nominated, he ran last time. and

she's a tea party darling. she founded the house tea party caucus in the house.ssibly even romney tonight and to really say, hey, i'm in this race, too. we know that a lot of people are trying to say this is a two-person race. i'm here as well, a top-tier candidate. >> paul, the new poll we have out internationally speaking, is there some headlines coming out of that as well? >> yeah, besides the number you showed right off the bat i think there is a hidden gem in here. our poll indicates 3 out of 4 republicans say the most important thing for a nominee is he's somebody who can beat president barack obama last year rather than agreeing with me on the issues. who do they think that is? right at the top -- rick perry far ahead of mitt romney as the republicans' choice for who can best beat barack obama. that's troubling for romney, the former massachusetts governor who is making a second bid for the nomination. because his kind of argument is electability, you may not agree with me on all the issues but i'm git that can beat obama next year. that may not be the cas

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the tea party, we asked at the cnn poll, the tea party favorable is 31. it's negative -- 51. i think this is what david gergen was alluding to earlier when he talked about independents and tra dig al republicans could be frightened by that fervor and that conservative activism. 31 favorable, 51 negative. it's exactly the same in our poll as nancy pelosi's. we saw her in ad after ad demonizing democrats for being affiliated with pelosi. i think democrats ought to link the republicans to the tea party, the republicans seem to want to be linked to the tea party but it's unpopular with mainstream america. >>> we got to take a quick break. we'll have more. we'll check back with all of them throughout the program. another look at the candidates and the facts, keeping them honest. we'll be right back. that's a recipe for failed investing. open an e-trade account and open doors, seize opportunities, take action with some of the most powerful yet easy-to-use trading tools on the planet all built to help you maximize the potential of every dollar you invest. successful investing isn't

co-hosted by cnn and the tea party express.say the president just spoke about 9/11 and we talk about divisions and the political process but really we're all americans when it comes down to it. when we work together we get things done. >> absolutely. i'm a former flight attendant who was flying on september 11th. we need to celebrate those lives today and we're all americans. we all love this country and we want what's best for this country so it is nice to see us all come together over this. >> we talked a lot about partisanship in washington but i think in the end an event like this really does show that we are all americans and the fact is everybody wants what's best for america. people just have different ideas. >> let's get back to those different ideas then. i thought it was really important that you said -- it stuck out to a lot of our viewers who had been e-mailing me -- you said the tea party's going to pick the next republican presidential nominee and thus the next president of the united states because people are so

the tea party is the new force in the republican coalition. omney thought he would be the establishment candidate. there is a bit of a new grassroots tea party struggle, tug-of-war with the establishment over who will win. the heart and soul. which brand of candidate will lead the party against president obama? >> you spent a lot of time looking at governor perry. and his style. his background. how forceful does he need to be tonight now that he is the leader? the leader of this? >> the question going into the last debate last week in california was, can rick perry debate? and i think he answer that had question. yes. the question tonight for rick perry, can he take punch? because what we learned from john huntsman today and listening to mitt romney earlier today, talking about rick perry, they're going to be going after him tonight. he is the front runner at this point. the question for rick perry at this point is, can he survive an all out attack on him from all of these different candidates? >> at least until now, romney romney is tied to th

democrats and tea party fared at poorly. ly the third time in the history of polling that republicans and democrats were both so unpopular at the same tile. only one-third say a third party is the answer. surprisingly. what gives? we'll explore that. our pin, karen finney, republican strategist and msnbc political contributor susan dell pur del percio and jimmy williams. good to have you here. as i am flu to this. only done the panel once before or the "dr show" as we take it -- >> we'll be easy on you. >> the training wheels are still on this kid. the americans are looking poorly at what's taking place in washington now. when we think about the all alternatives of the tea party, has americans are feeling about democrats and republicans, being so unpopular at the same time does that make the tea party a common place to emerge from the middle? >> polls show, it doesn't. interestingly enough, even a movement with the tea party, some of the original tea party activists feel the tea party itself is co-opted by big money in washin

and you see it everywhere, it is the tea party.d you know there's only one way to beat and win that war. the one thing about working people is, we like a good fight. and you know what, they got a war, they got a war with us, and it's only going to be one where -- it's the workers of michigan and america. we're going to win that war. >> president obama, this is your army, we are ready to march. let's take these sons of bitches out and give america back to americans where we belong. >> this is just ed talking, i think he's spot on. tea party played a major role in electing governors like scott walker and rick kasich. they have been on a tear, to cripple middle class, with spending cuts and anti-union legislation that came out of nowhere. nobody's been crying for it. this has all unfolded since last november. hoffa fights fire with fire. this is what i think workers and middle classers in this country want. and now the tea party and fox news, they put this fake outrage machine into high gear. look how fox news contributor and bush boo