teamsters did like the uaw and the uaw didn't like the teamsters because they felt they gave the wholemovement a bad name. i think that -- i think it's more of -- i i guess i sit mos a blueprint for labor organizing than anything else. i sit in the epilogue i think the amazon workers all set n in the warehouses, especially now with so many people buying things over the internet, they could stop all commerce in the united states from happening. it's a more effective tactic been walking out. walkout, they can bring in replacement workers to do your job. >> that makes the wonder, when was the last big effective sitdown strike was, you know, whether in labor or in elsewhere. is of course different strikes, some disastrous, some effective. it's interesting think about that particular model of occupying. i just occupy wall street might be the closest thing. >> certainly this wasn't the original sitdown strike. there were sitdown strikes in europe, france, that they were modeling this after. this one just came in a particular progressive moment in american history. it really validated the uni

these teamsters negotiated contracts every three, 4, 5 years.hey say to their employer look, we will take a 2% or 3% raise. we will settle for that. we want you to take a percent or two. we want you to put it away for us. we will defer it for our retirement. i missing baseball games, i'm missing time with my family because i'm working my rear end off. i am not a burden. after 40 years of doing that i am ready to retire. all of a sudden the money is not there. the fact of the matter is the person will not get their retirement. there are hundreds of thousands of these people. there's not a moral issue that i have not learned about. that person deserves their pension. republicans could cry. to not be a part of the solution. now there are hundreds of thousands of families in this country. they will get their full pension. they will go back to other employers. delphi salary full -- folks, will it happen overnight? no. we will continue to make sure these people who did everything right are going to have a secure retirement. host: you mentioned in the

he carries -- of course, the teamsters are headquartered in ohio.re's a lot of suspicion that the teamsters -- they wouldn't do that, would they? >> no. and mayor daily wouldn't do it either. >> daily wouldn't do it either. >> the fact that ford came so close would seem to indicate there's a shift. >> yes. >> but reagan now definitely in his wilderness in his book persists. >> yes, he does. he immediately creates a political organization, citizens for the republic, to advance his conservatism and to help candidates running for office. he embarks on a radio -- he restarts his radio career and is doing five-minute radio commentaries five days a week and he literally recorded them as the corner of hollywood and vine in los angeles. at harry o'connor studio. and he records five-minute commentaries that go out to hundreds of radio stations on either reel-to-reel tape or on 45 record albums. this is before the day where you could send out a sound bite via the internet to 1,000 radio stations and these are five-minute radio commentaries. at one point, 55 m

this is joe with teamsters local 665. i hope you all are doing well, and thank you forgiving me the time here to make a few comments. as i think you're aware, we represent about 1500 workers in and around the airport. among those are workers for the rental car companies, specifically avis and hertz. this is a conversation for another day, but there are other non-union companies working there and shouldn't be. back on track here, i understand that as part of this relief package, avis and hertz are going to be receiving over a million in rent relief from the airport, in addition to the three plus million they already received in 2020. everyone, obviously, has been hit really hard by the pandemic at the airport, and everywhere, for that matter. but to be clear, they have not used those funds to benefit their workers and our members. in fact -- and this is very important -- avis and hertz both refuse to bargain with us on recall rights. they both have a clause in their contracts that state that if someone is laid off for 12 m

this is joe with teamsters local 665. i hope you all are doing well, and thank you forgiving me the time here to make a few comments. as i think you're aware, we represent about 1500 workers in and around the airport. among those are workers for the rental car companies, specifically avis and hertz. this is a conversation for another day, but there are other non-union companies working there and shouldn't be. back on track here, i understand that as part of this relief package, avis and hertz are going to be receiving over a million in rent relief from the airport, in addition to the three plus million they already received in 2020. everyone, obviously, has been hit really hard by the pandemic at the airport, and everywhere, for that matter. but to be clear, they have not used those funds to benefit their workers and our members. in fact -- and this is very important -- avis and hertz both refuse to bargain with us on recall rights. they both have a clause in their contracts that state that if someone is laid off for 12 m

and so the gaming industry went to various things like the teamsters pension fund to obtain funding for the casinos. by 1967, howard hughes came into the state of nevada and one of the effects of hughes in the state of nevada was that it legitimized gaming operations. and by 1974, harrah's had gone public on the stock exchange. and that heralded the new era of gaming throughout nevada and eventually, of course, throughout the united states. what we have here are things from our educational collection, which allows people to look at things, physically hold them, handle them. like this. the purpose of the hga is to gather, protect, and present the history of gaming. and so this allows us to give demonstrations of various types of, in this instance, things that are considered to be special work or cheating devices. and, if you see i take a magnet , here, i have a dice cube. it is what they call magnetic dice. it can sometimes also work in an opposite direction. this is a magnetized lead ball. as you can see, it will stick to the magnet. this is an unprocessed dice cube out of the 20's. and

the teamsters -- they would aren't do that, would they? >> no. and daly wouldn't do it either. the fact that ford came so close would seem to indicate a shift, but reagan now definitely in your book persists. >> yes. he immediately creates a political organization, citizens for the republic to advance his conservatism and to help candidates running for office. he embarks on a radio -- he restarts his radio career as doing five different radio commentaries five days a week and he literally recorded them on the corner of hollywood and vine in los angeles at harry o'connor's studio and he records five-minute commentaries that go out to hundreds of radio stations on either reel to reel tape or on 45 record albums. this was before the day when you could send out a sound bite via the internet to a thousand radio stations and these are five-minute radio commentaries. at some .55 million people every week are listening to ronald reagan. plus, you have twice a week column carried by hundreds of newspapers. in the mid to late '70s use have to be und

my name is peter finn with local 856, and behalf of the teamsters and our labor allies, we support the healthy airport ordinance. i'm speaking in favor of the amendment. the amendment benefits workers buyer encouraging employers to offer additional options, and offers workers a chance to buy up to other plans, such as p.p.o.s that may be more expensive. for these reasons, we support the amendment. thank you. >> chairman: thank you, mr. finn. are there any other members of the public for this item? >> clerk: i believe that completes the members of the public who wish to speak on this item at this time. >> chairman: okay. public comment is closed. and supervisor mandelman, do we have a motion? >> i'd like to move to forward this to the full board with positive recommendation. >> chairman: all right. vice chair mandelman, on that motion, a roll call? >> clerk: supervisor mandelman? >> aye. >> clerk: supervisor chan? >> aye. >> clerk: chair peskin. >> aye. >> clerk: the motion passes without objection. >> chairman: thank you. next item, please. >> clerk: next is item five: motion amending

shield the workers to have time for what they needed to be in when i was founding and organizing the teamstersunion recalled that freelance 360 that they have to put their lives together as human beings with time and that is a political issue to be order and shaping the economy so experiencing this time problem because of ronald reagan and others that eviscerated the union so it couldn't be the check on the corporate power. >> i will push back on that a little bit. at least in the context of questions when i think of the household of the two people working 60 hour week jobs, it doesn't tend to be the middle class household more likely to be the household with the two postgraduate degrees and especially looking at families with children and how they choose to arrange their lives, we were actually just doing some survey work why each why is top of mind middle class household is much more likely to say they have either one parent working part-time or one entirely the highest levels of education we could debate the word of choice but from a constraint perspective choosing to commit their time and

to interviews, sequencing of events, facts and provide closure, not just to the hoffa family and teamstersnterest for this information to come out some information has come out through the years have been redacted over 45 years later, it's time for the file to be released. eric: as you know, we are investigating this on fox nation in your interviewed in it, search for james hoffa. you talk about this material, most of it is usually released by, within 25 years or so. you are right, they are keeping some of this secret. how long does this take and what does it involve? >> the department of justice received a very specific request from us and they need to review it. my understanding is they are actively reviewing this document. they need to make a decision and release this information. we followed up the biden white house again this week. we know they are aware of our request to the department of justice. hopefully the white house is as well. you know we wouldn't have this conversation right now if not for your hard work. i believe strongly the fbi needs to go to new jersey and follow-up on

i felt very comfortable when i found about eight of the teamster's union, all about the size of á!ú legitimately fold, that was the history of it. it was then that i learned something that set the stage for me, as governor and later on here, during all those months. i found out that they wouldn't, i decided the only way that i could sleep at night is to make up my mind, that if i did what i honestly believed in my heart with right, and i might make a mistake, but i could honestly believe it was the right thing to do. that's what we would do. when i became governor, i told we say that the people out on strike, you can back to the studio is the best way you know how. but in some of those meetings, with the strike committee, because they weren't all communist. i actually sat and heard studio -- union executives of some of the unions speaking to their chairman and saying look we, know that communist have got control of the strike and we have to get it back in our hands. they were legitimately fooled and they did realize and that was the history of it and it was in that that i learned s

this is joe with teamsters local 665. i hope you all are doing well, and thank you forgiving me the time here to make a few comments. as i think you're aware, we represent about 1500 workers in and around the airport. among those are workers for the rental car companies, specifically avis and hertz. this is a conversation for another day, but there are other non-union companies working there and shouldn't be. back on track here, i understand that as part of this relief package, avis and hertz are going to be receiving over a million in rent relief from the airport, in addition to the three plus million they already received in 2020. everyone, obviously, has been hit really hard by the pandemic at the airport, and everywhere, for that matter. but to be clear, they have not used those funds to benefit their workers and our members. in fact -- and this is very important -- avis and hertz both refuse to bargain with us on recall rights. they both have a clause in their contracts that state that if someone is laid off for 12 m

car was parked afterward, and i felt very comfortable when i found that, oh, about eight of the teamsters union all about the size of pro football players decided that they'd just walk to the car with me. [ laughter ] and before that by the time i got back to the studio that day after that call, i never heard of this in the law enforcement before, but the burbank police in which the studio was located and representatives there at the studio, and the special police, which were the guards of the studio, were assigned to my house for 24 hours a day round the clock. and they also gave me a permit and hung a revolver under my arm on a shoulder holster. so, that was the beginning, and i guess you didn't want the whole load on this strike, but it did go on for a number of months until finally there was no giving in at all. we kept the studios open with the help of the unions and the management. and as long as we were in front of the cameras, there wasn't any way they could stop making pictures. and, finally, it just was a case of which we said to the people who were out on strike you can get bac

the former president of the teamsters union vanished on his way to a meeting in detroit on july 30th,ions statutes -- extortions statutes. >> tens of thousands of pages of documents, interviews and reports remain blacked out, redacted by the fbi's censors pens. there's a new push in congress to finally make the hoffa fbi files public. >> if this is part of actually solving this case it would be fantastic closure for the family, for those who knew him and loved him. >> lee zelden says it's past time for the hoffa files to be released. he admitted a mandatory declassification review to the department of justice to get the files out. it's a formal congressional request to pry open what still remains hidden. he says the truth about what happened to jimmy hoffa should finally be known. >> this should have been released a long time ago. we have a process in our country once you get past 25 years or so, that items like this should be declassified and released publicly and here we are, it's been 45 years. >> zeldin is not alone. the hoffa family and case experts want the facts unsealed. forme

teamsters that worked hard, played by the rules, drove trucks. the bush lewis act to some legislative vehicle that could pass. and now we rescued millions of families. that is what we need in the united states senate and that's why i'm interesting in looking closely at it. you need that strong leadership on behalf of the forgotten people. i've done that my whole career and we're very interested in that. >> neil: keep us posted. thanks very much. tim ryan congressman. we have more coming up after this. including latest news on the border that if it's not a crisis, it's escalating into a problem. the world's first fully autonomous vehicle is almost at the finish line what a ride! i invested in invesco qqq a fund that invests in the innovators of the nasdaq-100 like you become an agent of innovation with invesco qqq so you want to make the best burger ever? like you then make it! that means cooking day and night until you get... (ding)... you got paid! that means... best burger ever. intuit quickbooks helps small businesses be more successful with p

. $86 billion bailout for the teamster pension funds that for 20 years people in congress have been wrangling do we settle this? bam, it's done. $100 billion for the teachers. not needed for reopening the schools. i mean this thing is jammed with the lots of rewards for every democratic interest group. if is call responsibility, an "f." he is taking all that money and dumping it in to the things that have nothing whatsoever to do with covid. "d" on bipartisanship. they talk a good game. their definition of "bipartisanship" is if they look at a poll and if they say are you in favor of apple pie as defined by joe biden and covid in the covid relief bill and people say yes, and you're republican, they say yes, that is bipartisanship. we do things in a poll that poll well with the republicans but when the republicans get to know what is in the bill, they ain't going to like it at all. he made no effort. no committee hearing. they had one meeting with the ten republican senators. he dismissed them. he took none of their suggestions. this is not an attempt to be bipartisan. it's an attempt to stuff

in this case we've been speaking to union officials around the country more broadly including the teamsterswhat is happening here in bessemer will set up opportunities. >> the workers have become already successful. the reason it is successful this discussion is happening. workers, millions of them across the country feel the same way the workers in bessemer, and their voice is being heard across the entire country. reporter: that is what made this such a big story. the potential implications which we don't even know yet for some time. we don't know the results here for some time, charles. the counting begins of ballots tomorrow. the final tally could be delayed if either side wants to challenge. back to you. charles: i can't wait, connell. thank you very much. now i want to bring in communications director for family in media stacy washington. stacy, this amazon vote though is about a lot more than just of course this one facility in alabama. the private sector essentially rejected union membership for years and years now. now of course, there is 28 right-to-work states where workers can r

but he had good job as president of the local teamsters.nd he was generous. >> i think she felt cared for. i don't even know exactly how, whether that was financially or what, but i think she felt cared for. >> reporter: christy didn't divulge much about her boyfriend or his past. but her friends could tell he was in no rush to the altar. they thought that bothered christy, especially as the friends started moving out and getting married. >> maybe having just been to chris's wedding that september, i'm thinking maybe that's -- that she was realizing, "that's the life i deserve, too." >> reporter: two days before she was killed, that saturday, christy had come to a decision. >> she had -- told me that things were ending with dagger and she was finally ready to move on. >> reporter: this was a big deal because she had been with him for years at this point. >> years. she looked happy. and we saw christy back, bubbly, happy, ready to get out there and live. >> reporter: and that night she did. the friends went out downtown, hitting the clubs. n

act, as a former member of a teamsters union, that job helped me get through college when my dad lost his job. i loaded trucks. it was that union that provided me the protection and enough for myself, my co-workers. when i moved to san francisco, i didn't have any money. i got a job in a hotel restaurant business and it was in that local. and then i was able to save enough money to go open my own business. there have been some comments that somehow this bill would hurt small businesses. the reality is that people organize in environments where their employer is not treating their employees appropriately. we know that the inequality that ms. delauro talked about, this historic inequality that's strangling our country and hurting so many working americans, destroying the middle income that we have all benefited from, that opportunity to move up and to give to our kids something better than we had, that's the legacy of this country. and labor unions are a big part of that. entrepreneurs and individual business owners are a big part of that. but it's the balance between these two. as john

well as the city attorney for quickly drafting the ordinance and resolution and the folks at sdiu, teamsters 856 for bringing the issues to our attention and i want to thank my office for the work on the healthy airport ordinance and the clarifying legislation and thank president walton and his office for the ongoing partnership in getting affordable quality health care to our airport employees. >> thank you. supervisor mar. >> i submit. >> clerk: thank you. supervisor melgar. >> how to my colleagues. i want to start by thanking supervisor connie chang for allowing me to co-sponsor the summer play initiative and thank you for your leadership. as a mom i'm grateful you're thinking about all of our kids and to supervisor ronen and haney for your efforts to jump start the process this summer to help support kids with the summer program and help them with the learning loss they suffered through last year. it's going to be heavy and i think help in the long run. i'm looking forward to working with you all and i want to thank particularly the department of children, youth and family and recreation

this is joe with teamsters local 665.e you all are doing well, and thank you forgiving me the time here to make a few comments. as i think you're aware, we represent about 1500 workers in and around the airport. among those are workers for the rental car companies, specifically avis and hertz. this is a conversation for another day, but there are other non-union companies working there and shouldn't be. back on track here, i understand that as part of this relief package, avis and hertz are going to be receiving over a million in rent relief from the airport, in addition to the three plus million they already received in 2020. everyone, obviously, has been hit really hard by the pandemic at the airport, and everywhere, for that matter. but to be clear, they have not used those funds to benefit their workers and our members. in fact -- and this is very important -- avis and hertz both refuse to bargain with us on recall rights. they both have a clause in their contracts that state that if someone is laid off for 12 months,

well as the city attorney for quickly drafting the ordinance and resolution and the folks at sdiu, teamsters 856 for bringing the issues to our attention and i want to thank my office for the work on the healthy airport ordinance and the clarifying legislation and thank president walton and his office for the ongoing partnership in getting affordable quality health care to our airport employees. >> thank you. supervisor mar. >> i submit. >> clerk: thank you. supervisor melgar. >> how to my colleagues. i want to start by thanking supervisor connie chang for allowing me to co-sponsor the summer play initiative and thank you for your leadership. as a mom i'm grateful you're thinking about all of our kids and to supervisor ronen and haney for your efforts to jump start the process this summer to help support kids with the summer program and help them with the learning loss they suffered through last year. it's going to be heavy and i think help in the long run. i'm looking forward to working with you all and i want to thank particularly the department of children, youth and family and recreation

my name is peter finn with local 856, and behalf of the teamsters and our labor allies, we support the healthy airport ordinance. i'm speaking in favor of the amendment. the amendment benefits workers buyer encouraging employers to offer additional options, and offers workers a chance to buy up to other plans, such as p.p.o.s that may be more expensive. for these reasons, we support the amendment. thank you. >> chairman: thank you, mr. finn. are there any other members of the public for this item? >> clerk: i believe that completes the members of the public who wish to speak on this item at this time. >> chairman: okay. public comment is closed. and supervisor mandelman, do we have a motion? >> i'd like to move to forward this to the full board with positive recommendation. >> chairman: all right. vice chair mandelman, on that motion, a roll call? >> clerk: supervisor mandelman? >> aye. >> clerk: supervisor chan? >> aye. >> clerk: chair peskin. >> aye. >> clerk: the motion passes without objection. >> chairman: thank you. next item, please. >> clerk: next is item five: motion amending

and made automobiles that everybody could afford. 18 star can buy one, a farmer could buy one -- a teamster could buy one, a farmer could buy one. they weren't just play toys for the rich anymore. america's love affair with the internal combustion engine that began and i don't think that affair has ever ended, sometimes much to my dismay. the point is we didn't have paved roads. people like avery got involved in this good roads movement. he became a highway commissioner. they tried to get as many roads, roads paved as possible. his biggest triumph was rough 66, which came along in 1926 when we were building longer roads, interstage roads. that is what happened with route 66. it is a road that connected chicago, ran down through the state of illinois, across mississippi and st. louis, down the ozark plateau, nip to the corner of kansas, came right across the state, more miles than any other state, 410, through the texas line, across the panhandle through northern new mexico through northern arizona, into the great mohave of california, up to barstow, san bernardino, than all the way to pasad

i am gonzalez, member of the teamsters union and i started clear cam on september 3, 2019. i love my job. also my fellow workers and the leadership. i want to say 2020 was tough year with covid-19. now before we come to work we have to take a survey to answer the questions of covid. if anything is off we are asked to stay home so we do not spread another spread it to others. we wear a mask all of the time in the facility and out in the field. when others work from home, covid-19 hit, we at clear channel maintained clean shelters. we are essential. we know our work for s.f.m.t.a. is very important to rebuild the trust of the public. clear channel has kept us working throughout this pandemic. work on the streets of san francisco can be tough. violence since october 19 with the homeless vandalism, broke condition glass, graffiti. every day we have to deal with these issues. i will say that clear channel has done right by employees during this pandemic. we have since the pandemic for the board to approve this amendment. thank you for your time. >> next speaker. >> public commen

i'm a proud former member of teamsters local 170 in worcester, massachusetts, and a former member of afl-cio local 2 in san francisco. from that experience, i know personally the value of being a union member. i'm also a former small business person who knows the value of having good-paying jobs in a community represented by union members to small businesses. mr. chairman, the wealthiest americans continue to take home a larger and larger share of america's wealth. according to fed data, the top 1% of americans have a combined net worth of $34.2 trillion, which is 15 times more wealth than the bottom 50% of americans. 1% has more wealth than 160 million americans. this is unparallel in our existence and must be addressed if you really care about working people. this inequality has contributed to what's called the diseases of despair by public health experts. that has worsened the behavioral health crisis exponentially in this country. at the same time, union coverage today is half of what it was today 40 years ago, and research shows that deunionization accounts for up to 1/3 of the

i am gonzalez, member of the teamsters union and i started clear cam on september 3, 2019. i love my job. also my fellow workers and the leadership. i want to say 2020 was tough year with covid-19. now before we come to work we have to take a survey to answer the questions of covid. if anything is off we are asked to stay home so we do not spread another spread it to others. we wear a mask all of the time in the facility and out in the field. when others work from home, covid-19 hit, we at clear channel maintained clean shelters. we are essential. we know our work for s.f.m.t.a. is very important to rebuild the trust of the public. clear channel has kept us working throughout this pandemic. work on the streets of san francisco can be tough. violence since october 19 with the homeless vandalism, broke condition glass, graffiti. every day we have to deal with these issues. i will say that clear channel has done right by employees during this pandemic. we have since the pandemic for the board to approve this amendment. thank you for your time. >> next speaker. >> public commen

my dad was a teamster, he had a good job and a strong union.s a single parent, he was able to support us. senators, that is a story from my bygone era, that day in america has gone. a reality today is that 40 million people are working in poverty, sometimes two to three jobs, we have to stop being a country of billionaires and working poor. you can and that. we can and that. it's time to raise our minimum wage. thank you for hearing my testimony today. >> miss murray, thank you very much for being with us, we appreciate it. next on this panel, we have -- who's president of the economic policy institute. he is a nonprofit nonpartisan organization creek in 1986 to include the needs of low and middle income workers in economic policy discussions. mislead, thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you so much chairman send tours, ranking members of the committee for allowing me to participate in today's hearing. as you said, i'm the elite president of the economic policy institute. the nation's premier think tank for analyzing the americas --

came home, they got good jobs in the building trades, laborers, operating engineers, pipe fitters, teamsters, i.b.w., like my great-grandfather helped start. not so much anymore. the new secretary of energy is now calling them, quote, fossil fuel workers -- fossil workers from fossil communities. listen, don't use that term. it's condescending. you're talking to workers as if they are some kind of dinosaurs that should be put in a museum. communities, fossil communities. really. madam secretary, if you're listening, ditch that language, it drips with an attitude of being condescending toward these great americans. well, i was just home in my state with a bunch of these so-called fossil workers this past weekend. these are some of the best, most patriotic americans anywhere. they are tough, they are hardworking, they love their country, but i will tell you, mr. president, they are concerned. they are concerned. why? because they know exactly what i've been talking about here is happening. the radical extremists environmentalists, these groups who want to kill and are killing jobs -- by the wa

i am a retired teamsters with a defined pension and a 401(k) or taking at least the rmd and we both haveocial security income. no debt and we pay cash for anything we buy. we plan on living comfortably after retirement." how are your household financials doing pre-and post-covid? we want to know how you are doing now compared to how you are doing pre-covid? we are talking to jennifer from tennessee. good morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to say that my husband and i are doing about the same as we were before the pandemic, although in march when everything shut down i had to shut down my tutoring business. fortunately, i am also a classroom teacher so i am continuing to teach in the classroom and we are teaching in person. so, i am teaching in person. he has a full-time job as a manager, and together we own some rental properties. and, we decided early on in the pandemic that we were going to do the best we could to make sure that our renters were able to stay in their homes, because we knew that a lot of them are working service jobs, restaurants, and things like that. and the

i know it's hard to go against the teamsters and the big labor in san francisco and then recology on the other side with big business, and mr. san giacomo. i'm actually a shareholder of recology. 250,000 owner shares, i have. but my love is for the city of san francisco, for the businesses of san francisco, and not my own self-interest here. i think every supervisor has to standup and be counted and speak truth to power here for the citizens of san francisco. this has gone on way too long, and it's designed where you have to inflate the truck purchases, other things, waste diversions in order to -- >> clerk: thank you so much for your comments this evening, and for staying with us so long. sorry to interrupt you. we are setting the timer for two minutes. okay. so operations, do we have another caller in the queue, please? >> hello. i am ryan dowling on behalf of ilwu. i am asked to speak on behalf of president trent willis, who apologizes he wasn't able to stay on for the whole time. we want to hold mars accountable for the use of child labor through his chocolate supply chains. loca

high-paying, building trades, labors, operating engineers, teamsters, great americans, by the way, 75%noncontroversial. 25 years of permits. no one has been against this. so i just want a commitment on that. nope. like i said, mr. president, war on working families. another one. here's something that a lot of people don't know about alaska. 60% of the country's wetlands, of america's wetlands are in my state. 6-0. now, we have the most beautiful state. we love our wilderness. we love the outdoors. we care about the alaskan environment more than anyone else. trust me. more than anyone in the e.p.a., that's for sure. 175 million acres of wetlands. so this creates challenges. unlike most of the lower 48, we have not drenled and filled -- dredged and filled these areas in the past. you look at the east coast, look at their environments. no offense to some of my colleagues whose states are up the corridor. holy cow. you wonder about my environment? jeez louise, but you can't do compensation for any projects -- it's hard to do compensation for projects where you haven't had dredge and fill b