you see the c.i.a. in very stark terms. eneral hayden told us in the first interview, the american public is a bit bipolar when it comes to c.i.a., we're either seen as jack bauer in tie 24 "or jack the ripper. what people are missing is the ray of grey in the middle. you have human beings at the helm of this that struggle with very tough decisions, decisions that, personally, we learned. >> rose: it's not black or white or obvious? >> never, it comes back to what rahm emanuel told us, it's not easy to make the decision. we get between hard and hardest. >> rose: was it hard to collect, to get them? >> it was a challenge. there was a war of attrition. one director after another. week after week. we were lucky to get george h.w. bush first. he's revered by everyone at c.i.a. >> rose: he said that's his second favorite job. >> exactly, and probably close second. george tenet was the last holdout. you know, talk about a shakespearean character, george tenet. >> rose: how is he shakespearean? >> well, imagine if you had on your w

. >> in 1953 the c.i.a. orchestrated the removal of the democratically elected but nationalist prime minister, putting the shah in control. hatred for the shah and the north americans who supported him grew deep in some quarters. the c.i.a. occupied the second floor of this. the former embassy, a building that the iranians referred to as a den of spies. by 1979 iran was in the throes of an islamic revolution. pop up lar protests led by the senior muslim clerics opposed the shah. up until that point america had never faced a political force that used islam for motivation. things came to a head when a group of protesters breached the walls of an american embassy in tehran, justifying the result on fears that the u.s. may support a coup and bring the shah back to power. diplomatic relations were severed, hostility grew worse. in the 1980s. iran accused the u.s. of backing saddam hussein during the iran-iraq war. in 1988 the u.s.s. vincennes shot an iran passenger jet off the coast, killing 290 people. >> the u.s

what's the c.i.a. analysis? >> i don't know what the c.i.a. analysis is but i know what mine is. >> rose: i know but you're part of the conversation. >> so their objective is not just a caliphate where it is today or not just a caliphate in the middle east. their objective is a global caliphate. including here in the united states, including in western europe where we would live under their draconian religious rules, right. where our girls could now go to school. where we would all have to claim we were muslim or be killed. all those rules that they operate in iraq and syria by, we would have to operate here by. that is their goal, and that's the political revolutionary ideology that i was talking about. >> rose: is it also their goal to draw the west into battle against them so that there will be some great clash of civilizations and so all muslims, they believe, might then rally to their side? >> so that was al quaida's view -- >> rose: but al quaida was against a caliphate. osama bin laden did not believe that -- >> same goal -- >> rose: bu

. >> the homeland security, the state department and the c.i.a. should not have to comb through the couch cushions to find loose change. because someone proposes a sequester. >> it was announced that a bill will be brought to the floor on thursday. democrats are waiting to see if this will affect the changes in the programme, or if it's an attempt to stop it in its track. house members were briefed on the detail. the senate will hear more form. >> libby casey in washington. >>> the kremlin confirmed it was a home made bomb that destroyed a russian passenger jet over egypt. all 224 people on board the metro jet flight were killed. the bomb was made with two pounds of explosives. the kremlin is offering a $50 million reward. i.s.i.l. is taking credit for the attack. >> a suicide bomber is blamed for the deaths of 22 people in north-eastern nigeria, blowing himself up in a crowded market. the bomb went off in the city, and no one has taken credit, but authorities suspect boko haram. the explosion coming four days after the president was in yola declar

he had to take a clandestine approach, using the c.i.a. and drone operations to achieve the degrading effect, because the problem is there. >> president obama made a lot of promises in 2008 that he was not able to keep. when he got into office and reality has a way of hitting you in the face. the world was more dangers than he gave it credit for. i think the national security agency. the c.i.a., they were agencies created at a time, in the 1950, where the world was a different place. i don't think we are up to speed as we head to another presidential... >> when the president makes promises and pronouncements, the security is none of them know. they may have to go through a anyone. >> no, they are presenting the world view, can you say i'll close gitmo and stop the surveillance, when you haven't been there to see what it is picking um. >> when we look at the country, this being the police officer of the world is not working. i'm thinking of nixon, when he took over there was the vietnam war. we have a policy where it's like a thing called th

emily: john mclaughlin, former acting director of the c.i.a., thanks so much. ad stone, thank you for that first-person account. glad you are home safe. coming up, have to list -- hac ktivists unite against isis after the paris terror attacks. that is coming up next. ♪ watching,tory we are anonymous has declared war on islamic state in a video posted on youtube. in the video, an individual wearing a guy fox mask tells isis to expect massive cyberattacks tweeting anonymous is at war and won't stop opposing islamic state. we are also better hackers. it is a derogatory term for isis. made similarts threats after the "charlie hebdo" attacks in january. the elaborate coronation of the attacks in paris is raising questions about how the terrorists use technology to avoid detection. the ability of officials to detect, catch, and understand new and different forms of technology has come into question. whether it is encrypted messaging or gaming networks. joining me to discuss, brian white. we have been hearing about these thatpted messaging apps these guys may have been

michael morell, former number two at the c.i.a. michael, thank you. >> reporter: you're welcome, scott. >> reporter: when a fox lake, illinois, police officer was senate to death in september, swarms of cops joined a dragnet to find the three men he said he was chasing. the cop was hailed a hero, cut down in the line of duty, until today when we learned it was all a lie. the officer, an instructor who created fictional crime scenes, had done it one last time. and here's dean reynolds. >> reporter: after a two-month, $300,000 enquiry involving 150 investigators, it came down to this: lieutenant joe gliniewicz was a crooked cop make it look like a murder. george filenko commands the lake county major crimes task force. >> gliniewicz committed the ultimate betrayal to the citizens he served and the entire law enforcement community. >>>> reporter: investigators say for seven years gliniewicz stole tens of thousands of dollars from a youth program he oversaw. the explorers program was turned into his personal piggy bank for the first-cla

then in the 1970's, senator frank church began to investigate problems with the c.i.a. and it the -- and the f.b.i. this was going to be the first congressional investigation into the united states intelligence operations. the material was so secret they had to be an absolutely secure place. this auditorium was converted for that purpose. floor was built across it. it was turned into offices for the church committee investigating the c.i.a. and f.b.i. they had armed guards standing at each of the doors to make sure no one came in. reporters thought it was the church committee was trying to break through secrecy but were surrounded by guards to keep the secret staying in here. if they were going to investigate, they had to promise they could maintain secrets. this room became a hub for the investigation. and then when the church committee led to the creation of the permanent committee on intelligence, this room became the intelligence committee in the late 1970's and 1980's. until the hart building was opened in 1983 and the intelligence committee moved over there. at tha

michael morell, foro at the c.i.a. >> reporter: when a fox lake,na dragnet said he>z cutwn in the line of duty, untilede o instructor who created fictional an >> r $300,000 enquiry involving 150 investigators, it this: lieutenantiniewicz was a crooked c who killed himself but ma filenko commaúm the citizens he served and the entire community. >>>> reporter: investigators say yearsnd gliniewic a youth pro oversaw. the egram was turned into his personal piggy bank for the first-class travel, mortgage payments and subscriptions to pornographic web sites. >> he behaved for years in a manner completely contrary to the image he portrayed. >> reporter: that image was of straight-arrow g.i. joep# kind of cop so popular with the public thousands turned out for his funeral. on septe investigators say gliniewicz drove on patrol to a secluded area and radioed that he was following three men. minutes later a back-up unit found his lifeless body with two bullet wounds. but as 4,000 e-mail, they found evidence pointing in a troubling

michael morrell, former number two at the c.i.a., thank you very much. a little bit earlier this evening, president obama spoke about the attacks at the white house. >> we are reminded in this time of tragedy that the bonds of liberte and egalite and fraternite are not only values that the french people care so deeply about. they are values that we share. and those values are going to endure far beyond any act of terrorism or the hateful vision of those who perpetrated the crimes this evening. we're going to do whatever it takes to work with the french people and with nations around the world to bring these terrorists to justice. >> pelley: chip reid is at the white house for us tonight. chip. >> reporter: scott, president obama said he spoke with french president hollande earlier today in preparation for the economic summit, the g-20 summit in turkey this weekend. and perhaps, even more importantly, the president is expected to be in paris in about two weeks and three days for a massive u.n. climate summit. there are more than 100 world leaders expected

michael morrell is a former number two at the c.i.a. he is our cbs news senior security contributor. michael, what do you make of this so far? >> reporter: scott, one of the things that strikes me is the operationallecurity here. we're talking about a large number of operatives conducting multiple simultaneous attacks and staying under the radar of french intelligence and french security. that is very difficult to do. it's a level of sophistication we haven't seen since the london bombings. >> pelley: and what does that level of sophistication tell you about who might be responsible? >> i think, scott, the key question on responsibility comes down to this-- was this a group of self-radicalized individuals who came together and decided to do this on their own, possibly meeting in a mosque or meeting in prison? or was this directed from overseas by either isis or by al qaeda in yemen? isis has been working on its capability to conduct this kind of attack in europe, and you remember, that al qaeda in yemen was behind the "charlie hebdo" att

. >> it's about what the mission of the c.i.a. should be and has the c.i.a. become so seduced by covert paramilitary operations that it has neglected the analytical side. you know, bob gates was eloquent on this. he said, you know, imagine how different the world would be if we hadn't gone into iraq, if they'd gotten weapons of mass destruction and we hadn't invaded iraq. he said, this is the kind of stuff we used to be really good at, but when you

a conversation with the co-chair of the 9/11 commission on how the c.i.a. underestimated i.s.i.l., and how to stop them. >> the strongest asset in the war against these people is our values. >> seeking sanctuary, finding homes for syrian refugees in america. why some lawmakers fight to keep them out. >> call to arms, a look at i.s.i.l. said elaborate and effective propaganda network, and why it's so hard to shut it down >>> raids continue across for instance and belgium, after confirmation of the death of the mastermind of the paris attacks. forensic teams comb over the evidence left behind at the suppishan paris apartment -- suburban paris apartment where abdelhamid abbaaoud was killed on wednesday. it's one of 600 raids leading to scores of arrests since the attacks last friday. >> belgium is rolling out security measures in the wake of the attacks. several attackers lived in brussel's suburb of molenbeek, include aring one on the -- including one on the run. >> reporter: the master mined behind the paris attacks, abdelhamid abbaaoud, is confirmed dead. th

specifically for brennan's efforts in bringing diversity to the c.i.a. uage, culture, as well as different ethnic and racial groups so we can have the best intelligence agency in the world. >> juan, thank you for that dana? >> last week, hillary clinton pledged $30 billion to coal country, she wants to aid coal country. while she's voting and campaigning to destroy coal country. this is actually stunning. listen to this -- coal production nationwide down 15% since 2008. 50,000 coal jobs lost between 2008-2012 in appalachian, utah, colorado. more statistics, this is the best point by "the wall street journal" editorial board today. here we have the progressive policy arc made clear. first destroy coal jobs to please affluent liberals over climate change and tax all americans more to buy the support of american who is had those jobs. >>> possibly the biggest moment in tv history this weekend -- 8:00 saturday night, watters' world will be premiering, i'll be asking silly questions at the beach. >> thanks so much. bye-bye. >>> this is a fox news alert. i'm br

the program. this evening, a conversation with david petraeus, former c.i.a. director and general of the army about iraq, syria and the response to i.s.i.s. and paris. >> i think this probably is a generational struggle. i think even if you success sealed operationally, tactically against the islamic state in iraq and then in syria, there still is going to be a battle. there still will be extremists ideas. there will still be individuals who will be animated by those ideas, there will still be those who propagate those ideas. >> rose: david petraeus for the hour next. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin this evening with ongoing coverage of the recent paris attacks. questions continue to surround the global response. last week, former secretary of state hillary clinton called irvegz. >> it's final to begin a new phase and intensify and b

. >> for example, did kissinger have the c.i.a. prepare studies the possible effects of the mining campaign against north vietnam. the first study he got was like in may of 19 . there's a copy in -- 969. there's a copy in nixon's library with kissinger's annotations on it. he was very skeptical with the mining and the effects on hanoi. kissinger's comments were very, very skeptical and dericive about the c.i.a. analysis and he kept asking them to do more analysis with less of the opinion. what would be the actual impact, the economic impact? that's what he wanted to know. terms of the impact diplomatically, i think kissinger didn't really want to know what they want. kimball: kissinger seems to be the hage at this point although it was said that hague was nudging him and probably both things were true. what's going on in kissinger's mind? is he trying to do what nixon wants. i think that's part of it. so he's playing the hawk, even though his reputation moon many is not that. to answer your question, he goes to his own aides, anthon

the c.i.a. direct or is calling the attacks in paris a wake-up call. in a new isil video posted this morning, threats of attacks in washington. france raided des of homes to find those responsible for the paris attacks. the country's prime minister saying that officials there knew friday's attacks were imminent that that more may be in the works. we mow operations were being prepared against france and other european countries, as well. >> the france military dropped bombs on raqqa, isil's de facto capital. it has been a busy day of police raised in france and belgium with tha.what is the latest? >> it has been very busy, more than 160 raised across the country overnight, raised that are just wrapping up. they ever saying they found a cache of weapons, rifles, even a rocket launcher. while these bombings are taking place by the french military, we have thin tense effort in france and belgium to find suspects in this case. there's also been the fact emerging that there are now new suspects, but they're really on the manhunt for one person in particular.

charlie: do they have anything to do with the support -- with the time that you were with the c.i.a. d there was an effort to support moderate forces, are they the same moderate forces as in 2011? are they the same moderate forces or is it a different group of moderate forces? david: that's obviously something i couldn't go into. some others have commented on that. and i'll let them speak for themselves. charlie: is there, from your assessment, a strong enough moderate force for us to support or do we have to, you know, essentially rebuild and try to create a group that can compete against isis? david: there are forces in the south and the north that have a reasonable degree of capability and what we need to do is enable them further and we need to protect them better. and this is where the no-fly zone comes in, the so-called safe haven or enclave. charlie: when you say no-fly zone, the president says isis has no air force. that's his response. david: this gets to the heart of the issue. the disconnect, if you will. we want these guys to fight the islamic state. these guys want to fig

and dare i say even the c.i.a. and some local police agencies, but that does not mean that they should not be held accountable because still you have agents in those organizations, police officers in local agencies who hold bi freaks eted views and using the cover of law enforcement and the apparatus of the government to enact their racism and bigotry on law-abiding citizens. so there has to be a counter balance >>> on the broader issue, it appears to me that you are losing in the eye of public opinion. the man currently leading in the republican polls has been using some rhetoric calling for closing down mosques, establishing a registration system for muslims in this country. what do you do to try to get more people to see this issue your way? >> i encourage them to look at what our jewish friends have gone through, the black and latino community have gone through. we have a reference point. all of god's creation, whatever color, we have to know that anyone who is seeking the highest office in the land, who is see

but after paris, we're in a whole new world according to michael morell, a former number two at the c.i.a. and now cbs news senior security contributor. >> i say "whole new world" for two reasons. one is isis now has developed an attack capability in the west. they told us that they would do that. they've now done it in western europe. they told us that they w wld do that in the united states. they will eventuallyyo that unless they are degraded. the second whole new world here is the targets they've chose on the attack. people don't sympathize with, but they certainly understand when isis attacks a government target or a military target or even "charlie hebdo" when somebody has defamam the prophehe it's much more difficult to understand an attack on our very way of life that sows fear and terror. >> pelley: to that end, isis has posted new threats online and jeff pegues has more on that. >> reporter: the video purporting to be from isiss promised an attack on washington, but u.s. officials say there is no specific or credible threat against the united states. on capitol hill, police are

tonight the united states is not ruling out terrorism, but the head of the c.i.a. calls it unlikely. the three leading theories are a missile, a bomb onboard, or some sort of mechanical or structural failure. the black boxes recovered from the crash site may hold key hidden clues. >> if a bomb goes off, that's heard in the cockpit. they'll hear the actual sound or the airplane comes apart, they'll hear the rushing of the air. have broken apart at its strongest point. the head of the russian airlines blames an external influence, not a problem with the plane. ed: a new shake-up in commitment 2016 tonight, another poll showing ben carson at the top of the republican race nationwide. dr. carson surging 29% of the poll, donald trump is at 23 and he is followed by marco rubio with 11. ted cruz at 10, jeb bush with 8%. it is the second national poll in a week that shows dr. carson in the lead. and on the left, bernie sanders will be on the air tomorrow with his first tv ad. >> the son of a polish immigrant who grew up in a brooklyn tenement. he went to public school and c

he received millions of dollars from the c.i.a. for forwarding evidence that he said showed sadaam hussein had weapons of mass destruction and considered a favorite to lead iraq after the toppling of whose sane. it became clear that his information was false or exaggerated, the u.s. began distancing itself from him. he tried to assure his place in the new iraq. >> i will be very much a part of the future of iraq but i am not a candidate for political a candidate for political office. i want to focus on rebuilding civil society in iraq, which is the basis of a true democracy. >> iraq and the u.s. forces invaded his home in 2004, searching for evidence that he could be spying for iran. he was also the target of at least one assassination attempt in 2008. he served as a deputy prime minister, but never reached to the of which iraq's political structure. al jazeera. >>> the pentagon will cope operating in the south china sea despite protests last week. the admiral head of the pacific command said the u.s. military will operate within th