on the taxpayers return. irs sent a notice of underreported income to the taxpayer and that's when the taxpayer and irs may 1 learned about the id theft. so to summarize so far, irs learns about and identity theft affecting taxpayers long after the theft occurs. and available evidence she just a problem is growing. now want to outline what irs is doing to resolve taxpayers idf problems. starting in 2004 in the commission summarized some of us, irs create an id theft strategy set up an office to oversee it, but theft indicators on victim's accounts, screamed some returns for fraud and set the identity protection specialized unit and an id theft hotline. in 2009 we recommend iris develop measures and data for assessing effectiveness of viruses effort. irs agreed and has since taken new actions to help resolve innocent taxpayer's problems, this identity theft makes it appear to either claims to refund for underreported their wage income. irs is placing a temporary id theft indicator on account while still investigat

you also reported a problem to the irs and the ftc, is that correct? >> yes. >> have you received any written key muations from either of those agenes? >> federal trade commission wrote me a letter. i have my confirmation number on it. irs connecticut any income except lead i just got the other day. >> what did that say to you? >> that individual use my social security number to file a return, but those three months ago. they're telling me what to do as far as the affidavit and contacting federal trade commission. but i already did all that so it is three months late. >> right. did you contact the your td? >> yes. >> what was their response be? they have a police report and so does the district attorney's office. >> do they appear to be investigating with you, we do no? >> the new york city police department found an address and a name in new jersey, but the irs when they came to talk to the other month,e said he can't arrest or. they are going to arrest or. he said he can't touch or. >> when you say day, do you mean -- >> the irs. >> have you received

on the taxpayers return. irs sent a notice of underreported income to the taxpayer and that's when the taxpayer and irs may 1 learned about the id theft. so to summarize so far, irs learns about and identity theft affecting taxpayers long after the theft occurs. and available evidence she just problem is growing. now want to outline what irs is doing to resolve taxpayers idf problems. starting in 2004 in the commission summarized some of us, irs create an id theft strategy set up an office to oversee it, but theft indicators on victim's accounts, screamed some returns for fraud and set the identity protection specialized unit and an id theft hotline. in 2009 we recommend iris develop measures and data for assessing effectiveness of viruses effort. irs agreed and has since taken new actions to help resolve innocent taxpayer's problems, this identity theft makes it appear to either clims to refund for underreported their wage income. irs is placing a temporary id theft indicator on account while still investigating

on the taxpayers return. irs sent a notice of underreported income to the taxpayer and that's when the taxpayer and irs may 1 learned about the id theft. so to summarize so far, irs learns about and identity theft affecting taxpayers long after the theft occurs. and available evidence she just a problem is growing. now want to outline what irs is doing to resolve taxpayers idf problems. starting in 2004 in the commission summarized some of us, irs create an id theft strategy set up an office to oversee it, but theft indicators on victim's accounts, screamed some returns for fraud and set the identity protection specialized unit and an id theft hotline. in 2009 we recommend iris develop measures and data for assessing effectiveness of viruses effort. irs agreed and has since taken new actions to help resolve innocent taxpayer's problems, this identity theft makes it appear to either claims to refund for underreported their wage income. irs is placing a temporary id theft indicator on account while still investigat

he reported the problem to the irs and the ftc. have you received any written communications from either of those agencies collects the federal trade commission wrote me a letter. i never got anything from the irs except what i got the other day. it said that an individual used muscle security #to file a return. it was telling me what to do as far as the affidavit and contacting the ftc, but i already did that. it is three months late. and the police report has -- a police report has been filed along with the d a. the city police department found an address and a name in new jersey, but the irs said he cannot arrest her. he cannot touch her. >> you mean? >> the irs. >> have you received a written or verbal communication from the irs to give you an update on tax fraud? >> nothing. >> that is a real issue in terms of the amount that is involved. if they discovered $5,000 has been stolen and nothing is going to happen, the irs is not going to pursue it, that maybe the way you make your living from this point on until something is done

it is really built into the dna of the irs. if there are laws that prohibit any individual employees from sharing information about any individual taxpayer with anyone, and we prosecute aggressively when anything happens. from the pure data security and the structure, we have extensive perimeter and the structure around the web, -- and the structure, we have extensive perimeter infrastructure are run out web. we coordinate with all of the agencies to make basher our infrastructure is protected. we have lost. one of the things that i committed when i came in was that any new technology put on line will have to 100% if block dog data security. you have to make choices -- 100% data security. we take this seriously. >> one of the reasons you would request more money and more personnel is the passage of the affordable care act. its constitutionality is being tested, and i assume ultimately will be decided by the united states supreme court. in light of whatever the nine ensued of that uncertainty is, is the irs -- what ever the uncer

it's really built in the dna of the irs. there are laws that give it our individual employees from sharing information that any individual taxpayer with anyone and we prosecute aggressively when anything happens. from the pure data security infrastructure, we've got extensive perimeter infrastructure around the web and we are continually monitoring that. we coordinate with all the federal national security agencies to make sure infrastructure is good. internal security we have blogs, monitoring, back down to one of the things i committed when i came it is any type what you put online lap 100% locked down data security. you have to make choices, but were never going to make a choice and data security. we take this very seriously and will stay focused on it. >> one of the reasons -- all shift topics, but one reason you would request for money and personnel is passage of the affordable care act. its constitutionality is being tested in a simpleton like what we decided about the united states from court. in light of whatever the

>> the irs permitted these accounts. the tax-exempt nature and framework -- historically and traditionally, they were offered in conjunction with high deductible health-insurance plans. they worked in tandem. the idea of offering these as a stand-alone product, the employee was not provided an accompanying health insurance plan, but is provided money in one of these accounts. that appears to be unique to san francisco. the brokers advertise these plants as not just the health reimbursement account, but the san francisco health reimbursement account, which distinguishes and shows that these were designed to meet the technical specifications. a few specific practices have flown from this. in some cases, it limits or precludes the robust use of these accounts. but in select occasions, we see employers provide essentially no notice to their employees. the easiest way to ensure that a lot of this money is going to revert back to you at the end of the year is for there to be limited notice provided to the workers. that is parti

clearly it's changed the way americans interact in the irs. it's a big deal for efficiency. to process an electronically filed returns costs $3.66 to process a paper return and we've been reaping benefits and downsizing the operations ever since e-file started. we also try to help taxpayers who are struggling to regain their footing after the recession. this year we start of something we call a fresh start program which expands the offer in compromise program and it may lean withdraw easy for the taxpayers and to enter an installment plan and change the lurleen criteria. now in recognition of the critical role we play in the economy, both helping taxpayers file their taxes and also collecting the revenue and in the irs in the 2012 budget. this is to the taxpayer service and compliance programs and our commitment to administer the tax law in the balance and fair manner. it also includes to finish for the 2012 filing season are key cord count database. if and when we have a fully operational account database it will mean faster processing of returns, expedited refunds for all a

. >>> a bay area woman scores one against the irs. how she managed to claim her cats as deduction. >>> a mighty rough stuff to the americas cup preps. it turned into a rescue operation. that and much more when we come back. >> hi, i'm meteorologist lawrence karnow in the cbs 5 weather center. high pressure building in overhead. temperatures soaring up to some of the hottest numbers we have seen all spring. we'll talk about that coming up. >>> closed captioning of eyewitness news is brought to you by shreve & co. jewelers, a san francisco original. ,,,,,,,,,, sure, pulling the mold, mildew, and grime from out of the porous caverns of grout takes the right tools, but it also takes a gentle, caring touch. before you can deep clean, you learn to get a feel for its trouble spots. and hey, if you can't listen to grout, you can't truly know its wants...its needs...its dreams. ♪call 1-800-steemer. republican presidential debate. but that stage will need to get wider.. to accomodate >>> the economy took the spotlight at the first republican pre

. >> next he challenged the irs and won. how an east bay woman and her cat helped pave the way for other charities. >> when we found out that it was rabies we knew that it was very critical.st. >> her chances of survival are slim. how an 8-year-old girl became just the third person in the country to survive a deadly virus. >>> school closed down for christians who celebrate christmas and easter. should schools close so people can celebrate duvali. >> tonight at 6:00, two years away, but the biggest sporting event to come to the bay area is making its test run. the obstacles they'll have to overcome tonight at 6:00 on cbs5. ,,,,,, >>> closed captioning for "eyewitness news" is brought to you by shreve & co. jewelers, a san francisco original. >>> she takes care of dozens of stray cats. now an oakland woman has figured out a way to help get the government to foot the bill. this cat-lover's crusade against the irs and what implications it has for people across the country. >> reporter: some may call her the crazy cat lady, in fa

. >> a bay area woman scores one against the irs. w she managed to claim her cats as a tax deduction. coming up. >>> time for the travel forecast. patchy fog this morning, this afternoon plenty of sunshine, 72 at sfo. storms near chicago. continuing to new york, showers expected, 67 degrees. more on your local weather coming right up. ,,,, i am so sorry... let's just think of warm things...my new- -steak grilled sandwich...piping hot with tender steak, grilled onions, and bourbon barbecue sauce all covered with hot melty cheese on grilled artisan bread. hot...steaky... toasty...melty... this isn't working, i'm just getting hungry. that's working...that's... against six people charged in the death of a german tourist. they appeared in court yesterday d >>> san francisco prosecutors won't seek the death penalty against six people charged in the death of a german tourist. they appeared in court yesterday for the death of the woman last summer near union square. investigators say they didn't see the death penalty as a realistic option. >>

steven mcdowell could face theft charges, also four years in prison, after the irs mistakenly deposited $110,000 in his bank account. >> he thought he got lucky. now, he's accused of grand theft because he didn't report the deposit. the mixup is with a bank account mcdowell had with another woman. she didn't report it to the irs when she closed it. for some reason, the irs deposited $110,000 in the account. >> he immediately spent half of that money to pay off debt. also, he went out and bought a car. the question is, would you say something if you found yourself $110,000 richer? we want to know what you think about that. that's our facebook question. >> there have been a lot of responses there. some saying they would have turned it in. others saying they would use it. >> you get your pay stub and think, who is this irs fella? they're taking a lot of my money. >> you feel like you're owed something from the irs. i've given them all this money over the years. >> maybe i'll see what happens. or you lay low and see what happens. interesting responses there. we'll continue to hear from you

. >>> when the irs said no, she fought and she won. meet the lady who won the right to get a tax deduction for her cat. >>> the clouds and the burn off and the effect it will have on your forecast, that's straight ahead. him what to do. he's just saying what he would do. president obama >>> he is not telling him what to do, he is just saying what he would do. president obama called congressman anthony weiner's messages and photos to women highly inappropriate. the president said thestition would be left up to the constituents but he also said if it were him he would resign. >>> michelle obama was in los angeles today making a pitch to the entertainment industry about her favorite cause. military families. she hopes movie makers will raise awareness on the big and small screens. she will be in the bay area tomorrow. she will attend a fund raising breakfast in oakland and a lunch in san francisco. >>> giants fan bryan stow, congresswoman gabrielle giffords, two of the millions of people who suffer severe brain injuries. for years doctors

but an and woman is cel [ music ] >>> victories against the irs are pretty rare as you know. t an oakland woman is celebrating one tonight in what you might call a cat fight. juliette goodrich for the implications it will have for others across the country. >> reporter: it was quite a cat fight. some call her the crazy cat lady. but she's just trying to do the right thing with her charitable cause. and in the meantime, she's getting a tax break. system call her the cat lady. but her name is jan and she takes care of cats. lots of them in her home. as a volunteer for fix our ferals her mission is to track stray cats, neuter them and care for them until they are adopted or released. >> he is going to get adopted. >> reporter: when she tried to take introductions for items like cat food, litter, vet bills and un reimbursed expenses, the irs said no way, claiming her cat receipt items were non-deductible. >> the irs was contend that will this could only be done regarding cats being housed on the premises of an spca. >> reporter: jan's case wound up in tax court. she represented he

while the irs permits an employer to contribute to them, 99% are employee contributions only. there are essentially a health care reimbursements and accounts. supervisor campos: i wanted to add something, through the chair. one of the points i think is really important is to put this in the context of employees who are under health insurance. . even if you look at the businesses that are anywhere from 20 to 99 employees -- let's say the employee works full time the whole year. at the most, they can accumulate $2,850 in that account. you can imagine that will not even pay for one night at the hospital, let alone some procedures that have to be covered. that gives you some context of what that means for the employees. commissioner clyde: thank you for being here. michael tonight is not to penalize the high road employers. there are employers who use health reimbursement accounts who i believe use them properly, who do not have expirations. who provide benefits statements regularly, who allow the broadest possible use of the account, and whose employees may elect to use their bene

. >>> people who drive their own cars for business will get more credit from the irs. they are boosting the mileage reimbursement rate. right now it's 51-cents a file. it goes up to 55.5 cents on july 1st. en unusual to change the rate for mid year. but gas prices have such an impact on consumers they didn't want to wait until. >>> effecting every part of our economy. >> yes pam. but the irs is being nice. >> yeah. [ laughter ] >> good morning, happy friday to you. we will take it. good morning, everyone. let's take a look at the -- i want to mention something here. there will be overnight closures over the weekend here on highway 101 between 680 and the capitol expressway. what is happening they will have some lane closures for road work from the capitol expressway to the 280 connector for three consecutive nights. it's a full freeway closure. it will be going for the next two days after that. of course the ktvu mornings on 2 show will have more on this coming up over the weekend. it shouldn't be a huge delay. there will be posted detours. just wanted you to know it wi

it's really built in the dna of the irs. there are laws that give it our individual employees from sharing information that any individual taxpayer with anyone and we prosecute aggressively when anything happens. from the pure data security infrastructure, we've got extensive perimeter infrastructure around the web and we are continually monitoring that. we coordinate with all the federal national security agencies to make sure infrastructure is good. internal security we have blogs, monitoring, back down to one of the things i committed when i came it is any type what you put online lap 100% locked down data security. you have to make choices, but were never going to make a choice and data security. we take this very seriously and will stay focused on it. >> one of the reasons -- all shift topics, but one reason you would request for money and personnel is passage of the affordable care act. its constitutionality is being tested in a simpleton like what we decided about the united states from court. in light of whatever the

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bailing out the largest banks is this country whose greed, the recession and get a rebate from the irs rather than pay anyand o taxes and republican friends sol think the deficit reduction is t not to ask bank of america but iceir fair share at the end of medicare as we know it and forcy low-income seniors to paytheir e substantially more for theiral health care to read estimate number three, general electric. in th we past five years whilee general electric was 26 billion in profits in the u.s., it received a $4.1 billion refund from the irs to it i don't knoww what do you think? g. to help us out? ed deficit-reduction. chevron, a major oil companyfros received a 90 million-dollar refund from the eye of this made $10 after 10 billion billi in profir authority billion dollar contract from the pentagonn to build 179 airborne tankers, 124 million-dollar refund from the irs, and on and on it goes goldman sachs in 2008 goldman sachs paid only 1.1% of taxes even though it earned a profitty of 2.3 billion. most americans would be pretty m happy to pay 1.1% of their t income and taxes but the

there is a rare move the irs reset the mileage to 55 cents. >> that is up four and a half cents from the first six months of the year. and and the new rate goes into affect july 1. >> thanks for joining us for abc 7 news at 4:00 and our news continue nouz with dan and cheryl and the news at 5:00. >> california budget battle will save you money at the checkout. >> and how beauty salon visits helped nab -- helped the fbi nab their most-wanted in california. >> and a pilot's rant could ground the state from doing business with southwest. >> in sacramento, the battle sofr extending skpin crease in the sales tax and who would it help? who would it hurt? >> with the week to go until the year begins, lawmakers are blaming each forth a lack of a budget. businesses around the state are in limbo, wondering whether they'll be charging you correct tax. >> temporary sales tax increase is scheduled to expire at the end of the month. and told businesses to adjust their cash registers to reflect a decrease starting july 1. >> in many instances retailers will have to have a programmer make changes to

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the money was put into health reimbursement accounts as permitted by the irs and the tax code. it would remain available to workers. president o'brien: this brings a whole new dimension to the proposal, the logistic associated with it, the accounting of that going to a lifetime of someone's career. that scares me a little bit. i would also say that to me, i do not know what the supervisor's intentions were, but i think that he came to the realization one day that is -- that it is a tragedy that somebody can be medically infected with something, really need help, and cannot get it because they do not have insurance. i see that as a noble problem, a noble cause to tackle the problem like that. i think it is an ongoing risk control mechanism that we are talking about. i think it is a good idea for the purposes of managing risk that there is some sort of periodic reassessment when you get through the year without it, like a car insurance policy. it is not the same league, but if you have been lucky and did not have a problem, having the employer take responsibility of resources to

the irs is giving consumers a break. laim a bigger deduction when they use their car for business. right now the rate is 51-cents a mile. the irs usually makes adjustments at the first of the year but says high gas prices forced the need to act sooner. >>> checking in on the numbers this morning live look at the big board. dow jones down 60 points. disappointing numbers on durable goods. >>> time now 6:53. it's a new tool san francisco police are about to get it but most of us already have it. >>> san francisco police officers are finally getting something most of us already have. an e-mail address. police chief greg sir says every member of the police department has an e-mail account. until now only a few had them. that e-mail system should be fully up and running within a month. >>> all right it's coming up on 7:00. i want to check back in with sal on traffic. sal. >>> we are looking at interstate 880 it still looks good getting up to an uncrowded bay bridge toll plaza. i want to show you that. a big difference from yes

the head of the irs apologizing at a hearing for personal identity theft. >> i want to personally apologize to the taxpayer s behind me. >> this week in joplin, a woman found a release paper from world war ii. show tracked down the family and sgav it to them. >> and soon, you may not need an engineering degree or a chan saw to open toys. they have advised using less plastic or none at all. >>> manhattanhence, the east and west streets cross with the sun to create this glow. >>> we lost clarice taylor this week. the veteran actress was 93. >>> we gained the first female head of a service academy. sandra stowes became superintend nlt of the coast guard academy just today. >>> we also joined a double threat, crooner and chairman of the chief staffs nominee, martin def dempsey, trained killer, also does a killer sinatra. ♪ start spreading the news i'm leaving today ♪ >> being from new jersey has that affect on people sometimes. >>> this week, we learned from the census there are now more households with dog than children in america. that got us to thinking of this week's youtube clip. on his se

additionally, we are capping the potential salary at the irs cap, or a lower number. the cap is 85% from the total and 75% to keep them comparable in terms of the reduction. note that in addition, a lot of attention has been paid to the idea of premiums and whether or not they are pensionable. premiums will not be calculated on hand pensionable salary. that is already the case for overtime. supervisor elsbernd: it has changed from 24 months to 36 months? >> yes. supervisor elsbernd: can you point to other jurisdictions that are beyond 36 months? >> no, i cannot. in on aware of any jurisdiction that has more than 36 months. supervisor elsbernd: that would be the high-end? >> that has been the standard. most of these plans are created with a three-year final salary. there was a move to go to the current city employee is -- city employees, with the addition of those who have a two-year. for the maximum for miscellaneous would go from 2.3% of salary at age 62 to 3.3% at age 65. to not only -- they do not only decrease our costs, but it reflects the fact that people are ind

you might know them, the irs. [laughter]. i hope there are no irs workers here today. bad reviews, i think you know those. [inaudible] sexism, regionalism, we can go on and on with the isms. i am the oldest granddaughter of james leon, he is a monster fighting and so am i. that comes from southern tales of supernatural. a porch lie is not a mean or vicious lie, it is a story of exaggeration and humor. the one that loretta told you about, cake lawrence. all the people that knew him called him cake, he used to steal the warm cake that his mother put out. he would cut a slice and run off to the crawl space. they call him cake. i use that in my story. those 2 come from my grandmother, she was the germ, the seed of those 2 books and many others. let's go back to that front porch again. this time daddy james is the story teller. we sit at his feet and listen about stories about sara and pat and nollen. that is my brother, my sister, and me. we thought we were just as clever and smart and just as brave as the children in his story. he told stories vaguely familiar, but differe

. >> reporter: you know the maker of the iphone, the i pad and the i pod face the ire of an i protest today. >> let's go bite apple. >> reporter: saying apple is not too big to take a bite out of, activists did just that and more. at the heart of the protest one of the world's most successful companies are accused of not hiring enough of their workers. >> millions of china, in the united states only 2%. >>> the activists use some of its vast cash resorts to support school in minority populations so that they can hold good paying high tech jobs. >> to me the bottom line here is apple needs to educate more those communities. >> reporter: we went to apple's developer conference where technotypes from around the world, we asked does apple discriminate. >> nerds are nerds. i don't think it's a racial issue in this community at all. >> reporter: between its two app stores, many and thousands of american jobs are being created at an increasingly speeded up pace. tom vacar, ktvu news. >>> the bay area media company pandora is upping the ante. they are now seeking more than $160 million with s

this is the kind of mixing of charitable and political organizations that the irs really frowns upon. and of course, mr. gingrich should know better having gotten into so much hot water over such similar kinds of activities in the late 9 late 90s. >> if it was given. we don't know whether or not they were charged for it. that's a really critical -- >> there's a question about whether newt gingrich has the fire in the belly to run and whether he can actually raise enough money to run for president, whether he's a viable financial candidate. but also i mean, we've seen recently in recent days as most of his senior staff just back walked out on him last week. the comments blasting representative paul ryan's medicare proposal plan didn't earn him a whole lot of fans with a lot of conservatives. i can't imagine this coming at a worse time for his campaign, anderson. >> shannon travis, i appreciate it. melanie sloan, what is the next step on this? is there an organization that actually is going to look into this beyond reporters? >> well, i feel confident that irs will take a harder look at

simply log onto the irs web site and fills out their taxes in an accurate, complete way in which the software is handling all of the complexity and the amount of time spent complying with federal law drops like a rock which is entirely within your purview. >> so we were talking earlier about my few and looking at the metrics that we have under invested in the irs to knowledge he. over 20 years, not in recent history, so i will tell you frankly we don't have -- we need to build some things like art account database and get that off of a 30 year platform which your finishing this year. way to build some core infrastructure. we do have available you know, forms that calculate that people can go in and file on line directly with us. i think there is a big discussion about irs having software and frankly i think it is an administrative discussion but it is also a political discussion. speier total budget is how much? >> our total budget is about 12 billion. >> mr. chairman i think americans would love not to pay turbotax and not pay someone else. just my guess and correct me if i'm wrong,