the irs's future service delivery will actually suffer. finally, the presidents budget requests still more irs funding for future enforcement efforts. 29.1 billion dollars more. that is on top of the 80 billion dollars. americans rightly have a hard time understanding how an agency provided more than six times its annual funding can still claim poverty. given that the plan the irs delivered is not transparent and does not allow for any meaningful accountability, this plea is essentially for another blank check. i've heard some argue that future uncertainty prevents the iris from making firm estimates beyond a fiscal year or two. indeed, that sounds like a tacit admission that circumventing the new appropriations process for the 80 billion dollars was a huge spent first plan later mistake. but this uncertainty excuse falls completely flat when one observes the countless other examples of long term budget revenue and cost eliminating both in the public and private sectors. when you last testified before us you promised to write really update

at the irs. every one ever these cases we know about through the veil, they pretend to operate in secrecy, every one down the road -- i mentioned the mueller investigation. you get down the road and find out they don't interview the top principles who who made the decisions. that's going on here with the irs investigation -- into hunter biden. the other thing is, another level of corruption going on here. at the level of elected officials. maybe you don't like chuck grassley but nobody would say chuck -- you could not find a reporter that would tell you grassley lied to you about something. we have been through five years being lied to by the democrats and elected officials who were supposed to the last line of defense to protect supports from a run away federal government. they are lying on behalf of them and doing what they can to protect this government. that's messed up. i don't know what the answer is. this is nuts. >> pete: it is nuts. there are lies and the biden doj covering up. charlie an

the irs a lot of leeway in how quickly it could spend its funding. hat we're likely to see is that the agency will return to congress sooner than it would have otherwise to ask for additional funding. because of course this was always a temporary boost of funding to last the next decade, it was going to run out at some point. this just quickens that point at which it runs out. >> and here is what kevin mccarthy and democratic representative jim himes said sunday regarding the irs funding. >> we repealed every single dollar they were going to use for irs agents. so they hired zero. so i have to come back next year so i don't get all of it repealed, but they have none for this year. >> the irs money is a pretty good example. why the speaker wants to defend taking christ police off the block so more can continue to cheat on their taxes is beyond me. but $80 billion sent in that direction over a period of time, very small fraction of that has been rescinded. >> so i wonder in the long term is the irs going in the right direction in terms of new hiring and

fix it for the irs, that is what they do. they colluded. alogyy would use is, irs management is like a basketball team with a real good shot blocking center, if anything gets past irs management, he is there to knock it away, clean things up. they can count on tig da to coff for them, that is common knowledge. >> how prevalent is corruption at the irs. >> people tend to realize how far it has -- people don't realize how far it has gone, there is a line of cases where elderly tax payers were forced into settlements, despite the fact that irs it no case, and a irs leader said, regardless of weakness of our position the tax payers could be bullied into settle ams ments, there is a witness to this no one will speak to the went, i tried to object, very much. as very heated discussions. they got away with it. no one was interested. think about that these taxpayer and their last days on ea earth, bullied by the same government they fought for as young men, no one cared. you get into hunter biden situation then all of a sudden people on capitol hill

other hand say the irs needs more money, not less. 're criticizing part of the agreement that could move $10 billion from the irs to other programs in each of the next two years. that's how we get to the $21 billion you mentioned in the intro. their fear is that this bill will lead to tax cheating by the wealthy even though the white house says that will not be the case, at least in the near term if this bill passes, so as you can see , liz, some members on both, in both parties upset with the irs funding portion of the bill as we mentioned, so we'll see what happens tomorrow, liz. it goes to the full house floor. liz: grady thank you so much for your journalism there. look whose back with us, from house ways and means congresswoman claudia tenney. congresswoman, what do you think i mean, do you think the irs funding should have been cut even more and do you think audits are still going to go up or under biden? what do you think? >> well certainly we'd like to cut it even more but even as my colleague just said this is over 10 years. w

and with the irs, i guaranteeia. you there is going to be w a paper trail of it.illi will findrdan because these people thinkth they're above the law,e the irs ,the fbi, the justicehe department, because ify they're workinarg in concert with the biden administration, they think nothing can happen hn to them. and that's whycand they're goinl to come after all of our candidates. anyoneth who will cross them. they went after a journalist who's not going to bnteimidat intimidate. d by them. and , yes, it's going to catchtn up with them. and thank goodness, again, wewil took back the house because jim jordan and congress, they're going to get t to the bottom of it. they have to for all americans . yeah, i think i think i think kevin mccarthy, jim jordan, james comey and others have have takenmccarthy their mandatg what they can. greg abbott,at to as they k is h of you , if you were if new you were in the oval office p the day after a neresidewelecte republican president were elected, what would your directive be to thed,u

by the way, this is the same irs that joe biden wants to double the size of, adding another 87,000 irsgents. has anybody in america asked congress to increase the size of the irs, let alone more than double it to go after people like this journalist or to go after lower and middle income families, which they're going to be doing if they get their way? it's one of the fights that we're having to try to defund that. maria: yeah. i think it's a great point to bring up because right now you've only got about 15,000 border agents, and yet he wants 87,000 additional irs agents, taking that up to well above 100,000 acts. senator tim cost ask -- tim scott and governor ron desantis joining the race for president this week. have you made a decision on who you'll be engorsing? >> no, obviously -- endorsing. we just talked about the fentanyl, we're dealing with a 4r09 of inflationary bills that we're going to move to yet red tape under control in washington, a major energy bill, that already passed. look, i know all these folk, tim scott and i served together, ron desantis and i served together. o

bidens expansion to the irs. the ways and means committee asked for the plan from the irs of how they would spend the 80 billion. in that plan, they called for using $1.4 billion to increase hiring irs agents. our bill in this proposal eliminates that 1.4 billion for this year. it will only help safeguard working-class families that they will not see an increase of audits. in fact, it has been rejected that under the irs expansion of $80 billion, you would see 600,000 more audits on people making less than $75,000 a year. in regards to the precisions in this bill, $29 billion, this is the largest precisions bill that could be signed into law if this is passed. that is pretty substantial. one fifth of the pages of this bill solely eliminates programs. that is a huge victory. so you could go line by line. i would say that the provision that is actually represented, massey's provision, or if you don't pass all 12 of the appreciations bills by the end of the fiscal year, it would put in a cr of cutting 1% in place. it

now the democrats want the irs to do our taxes for us. i mean, this is what's going on. also this, we've got to to talk about this, because this is the fed's fight against inflation. michael, they raised rates a tenth time today as president biden wants to do away with the debt ceiling. now they're talking about a constitutional challenge under the 14th amendment to get rid of the debt ceiling so katie bar the door. spending as much as they want. >> yeah, liz. it's amazing to watch how the democrats are unwilling to bear the consequences of all of spending that hay unleashed in the first two years of this administration, and now rather than be bothered with having to negotiate with speaker mccarthy and the house republicans over how to bring spend anding back into line, hay instead want to try to find a way to just abandon any notion of the debt ceiling existing. so rather hand addressing the fundamental problem -- than addressing the fundamental problem that we have federal government spending well beyond our means, they're looking for any and every way not to negotiate

he's still an agent with the irs. he did say the department of justice is to blame why this investigation was handled in the way it is. he says a heated meeting with federal prosecutors last october was the cat catalyst for him toe out and come forward. >> it was my red line meeting. it got to that point where that switch was turned on, and i just couldn't silence my conscience anymore. >> jim jordan, the house judiciary chairman wrote to attorney general merrick garland, the department's alleged efforts to remove an irs whistleblower from an ongoing investigation could be a retaliatory action prohibited under united states law. d.o.j. declining to comment on the letter from the congressman jordan and the allegations, though the majority of them are still unknown. there's still, john, an unnamed whistleblower out there who worked under mr. shapley, but he's the only person that's come out. it's possible there could be more. john? >> we'll keep watching it. it's a multilayered onion. we'll watch it be peeled back. david

speaker kevin mccarthy is celebrating cuts to the irs. new debt deal reached $1.4 billion in funding for the irs and some republicans say that's not thiefly enough. grady trimble joining me now from capitol hill. grady, good to see you. where exactly do the critics think the agreement falls short because an agreement means everybody needs to compromise. >> and that might be exactly what needs to happen. good to see you too, lauren. democrats and republicans have problems with the funding portion of the agreement and conservative members of congress say the deal should have clawed back $80 billion from the irs as opposed to $1.4 billion in actually does. as freedom caucus member congressman dan bishop sarcastically puts it, so there will be $85,260 more irs agents rather than 87,000 to eat you alive. big win. even republicans who are undecided are looking closely at that irs funding portion of the bill. >> is it enough that we're not ending the 87,000irs workers forever but taking care of it for the next year? it's conservative policies and

, he tweeted the irs opened a case on hims st christmas eve and he says the timing coincided with the twitter files report about the intelligence community's ties to tech platforms. journalist matt taibbi joins us now. i've been going through the letter that congressman jim jordan sent to the commissioner of irs which lays out the timeline here. i put it up briefly on the screen here. so this was regarding the 2018 tax return. a letter the irs claims was sent to you on october 24, 2019, a second letter was sent to you on march 3rd of 2020. the irs produced neither of those letters to the judiciary committee. examination of your 2018 tax return on christmas eve, 2022, happened to be a saturday, assigned an agent for a face-to-face contact on january 27, 2023, contact initiated the day that you testified before congress. ultimate determination was you didn't owe any money to the irs, in fact, they owed you a substantial refund and the case was resolved a few days later on march 21 of 2023. how are you struck by all of this? >> well, initially i was reluctant to comment about this story

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stuart: the irs wants to develop its own electronic tax filing system out the progressive love this oneout it. guest: vacated, this comes from your favorite person in the world, senator elizabeth warren of course in everybody's favorite tax accountant and listen to this, proposal to allow the irs to operate its own free online tax preparation system getting serious pushback from republicans and tax professionals who say, such a program could be a conflict of interest listen. >> with the doing is they're going to create a huge mess for the taxpayers in the primary reason for that them as if the irs is doing your taxes for you, there's huge conflict of interest problems and they're going to maximize the amount of money goes on to you, but back to the irs. guest: the irs already offers a free file program for those earning less than 33000 that includes software providers including tax acting tax layer will to the best known to wrote tax and h&r block offer free irs been on their website including 50 really next to include such a free tax prep system study, and the idea is this advice cylin

the question on the irs, does investment largely 90% of the $80 billion irs expansion intact? ng only $1.4 billion out of it. do we agree that minority taxpayers are three times as likely to be audited by the internal revenue service as other tax payers, mr. smith? >> the data has showed minorities have been audited by higher percent. >> the cbs report that the irs audit the poor at five times the rate of everyone else, in other words, rich people have lawyers. >> if i might, i would point out that even though this has gotten badly mischaracterized, the big reason why democrats fought for and i voted for increased funding for the irs -- two reasons. first, as president trump's irs commissioner testified to us a couple years ago, the irs workforce is so reduced compared to where they were 10 years ago. even just getting answers to the one 800 number is almost impossible. perhaps you are expressing the same things in your service offices. what of the big compliance we have and i have three district offices and the process a lot of casework. dealing with the irs has become a real

david: and, congressman, finally, the supersizing of the irs. t had this new story about what the i e rs may or may not be doing with regard to the hunter biden investigation. i mean, it's had a checkered history at best in getting involved in politics, and this would make it even bigger evolved into politics than we've seen before. is that supersizing of the irs in there for good, or is there a possibility republicans can take it out? >> we already passed a bill that would defund the 87,000 irs agents. of course, another bill that conservative republicans and the republican majority has fasted and seven sent to the senate and the senate hasn't done anything about, but this whistleblower issue in the irs is troubling because it compounds on the history of the ricks -- irs targeting conservatives. and we specifically asked, the chairman asked the secretary of the irs specifically under oath if he was going to do any type of repercussions for these whistleblowers, and he said no. so as soon as he made that statement to congress, now there's been re

the in d.c. see you in just a second. okay. we are going to talk to a veteran irswhistleblower in just about five minutes about the bribery allegations against president biden. you want to hear what he's going to have to say, what he's going to say about this. but first, we've got to get you updated on this bank crisis. seven banks now in trouble, hitting the skids. this is just in two months' time, and it's a big credibility crisis many d.c. they cannot talk their way out of it again, that everything is fine. grady trimble live on capitol hill with the latest. >> reporter: it's the fed, the white house, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle here on the hill, they all keep saying that the banking system is safe, and yet we keep seeing more banks fail or at least appear to be failing. today while lawmakers on the senate banking committee held a hearing on the recent bank failures, other additional banks looked like they could be on the cusp of collapse as well. shares of regional banks tumbled today after pac west became the latest bank to the it's exploring a sale.

he's still a special the with the irs. but he says the doj is responsible for the way the investigation was handled. >> it was my red line meeting. it just got to that point where that switch was turned on, and i couldn't silence my conscience anymore. >> jim jordan wrote, the department alleged efforts to remove an irs whistleblower from an ongoing investigation could be a retaliatory effort forbidden by u.s. law. of course there is a second whistleblower who alerted his superiors last week though this identity is unknown. liz: thank you so much for joining us. congcongresswoman from hughes ws and means. what are you hearing about the whistleblower's testimony? >> any kinds of testimony x have shows the federal government, especially the doj or irs are being used to weaponized and politicized against political targets is a disphrase. we said from day one from the ways and means committee that we are interested in getting any information people have. we opened up a portal. if you are a federal government employee and you kn

normally it's only open weekdays and by appointment, but tomorrow the irs will open some offices for rare saturday hours, no appointment necessary. here's where. we'll leave those addresses on the screen. irs tax pros will be on duty face-to-face 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. bring photo i.d. and social security cards for everyone in your household. if the irs sent you a letter, bring it plus any related paperwork. the irsrs will not filll out yo return for you. you still have to do that. but itsts experts can answer questions to steer you around roadblocks on your 1040. let's just reiterate, the new deadline to file your federal income tax return this year, and also pay your bill, is october 16th. same for state taxes. wouldn't it be nice to get it done now? we've posted this info on our website, nbcbayarea.com/responds. if you have a tax problem, you can let us know. snap the qr code on your screen right now. >> even if you are doing your taxes for free, have a great week. >> yeah, why are we doing our taxes this weekend? it's going to be so nice. >> free help center from the irs. >> if yo

the first one deals with the irs. the first thing mccarthy did when he finally got his speakership was to take a vote to do away with the money to give to the irs to collect the taxes and pay the bills. host: we will stop you there. on the idea of doing away with the debt ceiling in light of this debate and running up against this deadline, there has been more talk about doing away with the debt ceiling by members of congress. guest: absolutely. there are bills submitted by this congress and is congresses to eliminate the debt ceiling altogether. mostly from democrats. the argument against it from republicans has been that that would cause spending to be completely unfettered. where of course this caller pointed out that it could actually afford lawmakers to approve every single time they are going to cross that threshold of spending more, taking in revenue for taxes. the caller also really nailed the democratic argument about that funding for the irs, which was a historic amount to pour into the irs. their argument wa

bidens expansion to the irs. the ways and means committee asked for the plan from the irs of how they would spend the 80 billion. in that plan, they called for using $1.4 billion to increase hiring irs agents. our bill in this proposal eliminates that 1.4 billion for this year. it will only help safeguard working-class families that they will not see an increase of audits. in fact, it has been rejected that under the irs expansion of $80 billion, you would see 600,000 more audits on people making less than $75,000 a year. in regards to the precisions in this bill, $29 billion, this is the largest precisions bill that could be signed into law if this is passed. that is pretty substantial. one fifth of the pages of this bill solely eliminates programs. that is a huge victory. so you could go line by line. i would say that the provision that is actually represented, massey's provision, or if you don't pass all 12 of the appreciations bills by the end of the fiscal year, it would put in a cr of cutting 1% in place. it

and it cuts funding to the irs. dition, the deal would also lift a moratorium on student loan payments which has been place since the pandemic. the deal also speeds up the approval and construction of the proposed $6.6 billion mountain valley pipeline in virginia and west virginia. which has been strongly backed by democratic senator joe manchin. the group food & water watch condemned this provision saying it will irreversibly scar biden's legacy on the environment and clean energy. virginia's democratic senator tim kaine says he will introduce an amendment to strip the mountain valley pipeline from the debt limit bill. the debt legislation now heads today to the house rules committee where two members of the house freedom caucus, representatives chip roy of texas and ralph norman of south carolina, have already said they oppose the deal. meanwhile, south carolina republican senator lindsey graham has blasted the deal for not increasing the military budget enough. progressive critics of the deal include bishop willia

supervisory special agent for the irs. where he has worked for 14 years. tion. who is the subject of the investigation? >> i can't confirm or deny that the subject of this investigation. >> reporter: why not? >> because, you know, part of the tax secrecy laws don't allow it. >> reporter: shapley can't say it, but cbs news has learned the investigation was the probe of hunter biden by the trump-appointed u.s. attorney in general wear. senior biden administration officials have vowed to let it run its course without interference. >speak what is not restricted in its investigation in any way. >> reporter: but cbs news has obtained this letter shapley's lawyer sent to congress monday alleging irregularities in doj's handling of the investigation. shapley is seeking legal protections from congress so he can share specifics of his allegations. >> there was multiple steps that were slow walked at the direction of the department of justice. >> reporter: have you ever encounter that before? >> i have not, no. these deviations from the normal process, and each and ev

be be so, where does the irs find the authorization to do so or the funding allocated and appropriateno decision has been made on moving forward with direct file solution. i don't want to jump ahead of the conclusion because the study's not done yet. maria: joining me is americans for tax reform president, grover norquist. grover, thanks very much for being here. so what's your opinion of this? i know a lot of republicans are pushing back on the point that having the judge, jury and executer on taxes is not problem not a good idea. how do you see it? >> it's even worse than that. think of all the papers that you have in front of you when you fill out your taxes. the irs is going to announce they'll do that for you which means they have access to all of your finances, you will have no financial privacy at all. and if you complain that the irs sent you a bill, which you think is too high, first you have to decide if the bill's $1,000 too high, do you spend $6,000 to get a lawyer to contest it or do you send them the $1,000? all sorts of problems with this and as you highlighted, the hea

mccarthy's negotiator talked about the irs. but it does not do anything to stop them from hiring staff with the remaining 78.6 billion hiring new irs agents this year. >> sean: let me ask the speaker about that if you don't mind, congressman. that was a big promise of the republicans to define the hiring or the doubling of the irs agents. why didn't they hold the line on that and i don't think it was unreasonable the republicans to say, we are going to go back to 2023 spending levels with the 1% baseline budgeting cap. to me, they were reasonable provisions. and i can understand people's anger at that. does -- is that a big issue for republicans, mr. speaker. >> as i understand it, and i went back to i thought congressman bishop was very effective on your show this afternoon. so effective that i went back to the speaker's staff and talking about some of those several of these issues. all i can reported he was for this year, they don't have that money to hire the additional agents. and this fall and the appropriations bill, repub

the irs whistleblower alleges, as a general matter and not in reference to a specific case, the irs follows the direction of the justice department. >> ashley: former fbi special agent and navy seal jonathan gilliam joins me now. i want your thoughts on this. we have a whistleblower alleging he was dismissed after raising concerns. he claimed, i was removed from a highly sensitive case after five years of work and not afforded a phone call from my special agent, even though this had been my investigation since the start. the irs commissioner claimed when an employee raises allegations, do not seek the identity of whistleblower or intervene, instead the inspector general is guardian of the whistleblower process. your thoughts on all that transpired? >> jonathan: look at what he's saying. he is saying those at the top of the irs will not investigate this, but hand off to completely leftist organization, the doj, to do the investigating. that doesn't give me comfort whatsoever across the board at the top of the federal government agencies, leftists or careerists are running the agencies. when

what happens to law-abiding citizens this year the irs and 85% of the calls are for funding this past budget, previous budget, only 15% of the polls were injured so to attack the u.s. credit rating and at the same time defense law enforcement on the text you. >> let's hear from cynthia when it comes to approach, neither side is taking the right approach.pp hello. >> good morning. i think to say there is a budget is nowhere in the first place so it's moved up every time the budget comes around. number two, you cannot spend more than your revenue. number three, he had to stop the new committee, the organization is the government continues to expand on starting with green energy. it's not the necessity we can function with what we have, we have the fight on the agenda and the other projects each congressman and representative in thegr senate receives from increasing f spending. go back to a balanced budget. go back to we can't spend more than we take in. >> okay. the hill talked about this and they remind people are positions taken republicans and raising ceiling necessitated by deficit

the irs agent, who we learned was investigating hunter biden's possible tax crimes, speaks out in his ringing] >> today's marks one year since the tragic school shooting at robb elementary in uvalde, texas. a gunman walked onto campus and killed two teachers and 19 children. ♪ ♪ >> norah: severe thunderstorms in texas bring dangerous winds, hail, and flash floods. ♪ ♪ >> the pacific island of guam is facing its strongest storm in 20 years. typhoon mawar is lashing the u.s. territory with dangerous winds, torrential rains, and storm surge. ♪ ♪ >> norah: and medical breakthrough, how new science helped a paralyzed man walk again. wedny night. this busy we began with the death of mus icon tina turner, one of the most dynamic and energetic performers ever to take the stage. turner was not only a vibrant and unstoppable force in music, she was a survivor, and an inspiration to generations of women. she died tuesday at her home in switzerland at the age of 83, after what is only being described as a long illness. well, turner was awarded 12 grammies, she was a two-time rock 'n' roll hall of

social security. >> what's going on the next two years. >> let me ask you about the irs. the democrats added all of that money to the irs because they said there are a lot of rich people who can afford fancy lawyers and accountants who can game the system, and they wanted to be able to audit those people. they didn't have the necessary agents to do the auditing. that's why they needed the $80 billion to get it done. taking away 20 billion of that, does that negatively affect it in a significant way? >> not in a significant way because the money has already been appropriated and the irs has access to $60 billion up front and can begin to spend that as rapidly as it pleases. and so to a certain extent, to the extent that the irs can utilize those funds up front, and then request moneys in the future once the spending caps are lifted two years from now, there's a good chance they're not going to burn through $60 billion in two years. so they can move forward. the one thing that is true is to the extent that the irs is slower in auditing the wealthier among us, it does reduce

we also have a down payment in this package of a $1.4 billion rescission of the irs which takes away the full enforcement budget for this fiscal year. that is a down payment to say you cannot hire any new irs agents. we bank that implicate in this deal. we have a pledge from the administration they will be willing to take $10 billion of cuts this coming fiscal year from the irs. then 10 billion the following year. that is pre-agreed to and those are understandings we conveyed to the appropriations committee. we have read in our side on the house on that arrangement and we will give the prorations committee full authority to write these through to fulfillment. >> thank you everyone. >> thank you. we will see you all on the floor tomorrow. still a lot of work to do. [chatter] objections from progressives who were against some parts of the legislation. >> afternoon everybody. that be just first again stressed my appreciation to president biden -- let me just again stressed my appreciation to president biden to -- for arriving at a resolution that allows us to do three important things. h

the irs agent told us he is a registered republican. eing assisted by an advocacy group with past ties to the gop. but shapley says this is not about politics. why do you want to navigate these waters? >> i don't want to do any of this. i took an oath of office. and when i saw the egregiousness of some of these things, it no longer became a choice for me. it's not something i want to do. it's something i feel like i have to do. >> reporter: the irs told us it can't report on specific cases but is committed to supporting whistle-blowers in general. both the doj and attorney general's office in delaware declined to comment. norah? >> jim axelrod, thank you. >>> the u.s. navy is sending in >>> the u.s. navy is sending in help aft ♪ dove 0% with coconut and jasmine is aluminum free and gives you 48 hour odor protection. with a scent that goes strong all day long. and we're kinder to skin too. nobody's coconuts work harder. one prilosec otc each morning blocks heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blo

on his twitter account yesterday, taibbi said the details came from a new letter to the irs commissioner by house judiciary chair jim jordan. the journalist said the move was meant to intimidate. listen. >> this is quite brazen, what they're doing. i mean, they had to know that this was going to the come out. also visiting me on my, at my home on the day i'm testifying before congress. that shows you that they're probably not terribly worried about the optics of all this, which i think is even more concerning. >> reporter: the sensitive documents taibbi exposed came from the state department, the pentagon and the cia. for its part, the irs told the committee it was trying to insure the reporter wasn't a victim of identity theft. and that they had tried to contact him earlier by letter. now, taibbi said neither he nor his accountant received those letters. house judiciary chairman jim jordan, he isn't buying it. listen. >> maybe the fbi's going to come forward and tell us, oh it's just one big coincidence. okay, but i kind of doubt it. and everyone i've talked to about that fact pattern s

happened with the irs, with the irs? whistleblowers claim is theyre were told to stand down. there's a patterand downn within our federal government when looking at any type of wrongdoing by the biden family that people in the government bureaucracy have told rank and file government employees to stand down ors to stand to gm the file. and don't worry about it. i that's basically what directory told me.i have i have demonstrated a pattern dm of joe biden traveling all over the world. and weeks after he leave leas f stthe country, his family starts mysteriously getting wyrsch from that foreign country into, shell companies that then are wired back to the individual family. but let me ask you , that's not normal behavior. what would what wouldor the contempt of the fbi t director look like? >> all right.you have you've now given him him two opportunities. you have a phone call with them. they're saying they're cooperating, but sayinrs they're not going to give you the document. of course, your committee and congress has not

this year house republicans voted to call back some 70 million it from the irs but they never -- the democratic-controlled senat paid the money is helping those in enforcement and provide taxpayers with better services. >> thank you, mark. democrats are pushing hard tonight against were public in cassation that whistleblower claims joe biden was involved i influence peddling scheme durin his tenure as vice president. a couple of gop lawmakers demanding the fbi turnover single document allegedly obtaining evidence about the investigation. let's talk about the fallout with richard fowler and law professor john yoo. richard, take a lesson on this to what chuck grassley had said earlier and i want to get your response. >> not once has the fbi or the doj counteracted anything that i've stated publicly about information or the accusations that were making or evidence that we had given to us by whistleblowers. and i think that speaks for itself. >> why do you think the doj has not responded pay. >> is a couple of things happening. based on what is reported that there seems to be a pending d

reporter: can you help us understand the side it deals that are not in the bill, specifically the irs money and those revisions? in the veterans protections, the veterans studying, what is a guarantee or agreement? is it on paper somewhere? how can you be sure the appropriations who were not involved in this will do it? >> a lot live question so let me try to answer a few of those. first, we have caps at 886 for defense and 7044 nondefense. underlying -- underlining the 704 nondefense is in our agreement and appropriators know that spirit it builds back down to 583 for the cap for nonveterans, nondefense discretionary. simple, right? that is a number that appropriators have to work with. we also have a down payment in this package of a $1.4 billion rescission of the irs which takes away the full enforcement budget for this fiscal year. that is a down payment to say you cannot hire any new irs agents. we bank that implicate in this deal. we have a pledge from the administration they will be willing to take $10 billion of cuts this coming fiscal year from the irs. then 10 billion the fo

to see the doj and fbi and irs basically holding the bidens -- you know the criminal biden family's wateram furious about it my colleague nancy is right, if there any whistleblowers whether they work for doj or irs and fbi e or any other alphabet, come to over site committee, we just want to get to the truth. kennedy: do you file feel that u.s. attorney who is in charge of this investigation is compromised. >> it appears that way. you had 12 irs agents, you know, on the investigative time for financial -- team for financial and international crimes, they were all removed, magically after the irs supervisor came to congress on april 19, now this second whistleblower, they were not told about it, the supervisors did not say we're removing you for a specific reasons, they just said, you are off the case. why? >> this fellow was working for 4 zero jiri nov years on this case. kennedy: he started in 2018, that is how our system is supposed to be set up people get legal protection to come forward, tell us whether there is corruption. we know that is endemic in the system, that does not make it

i would point out to, you bob, in this agreement this deal cuts back the money that biden wanted the irsx cheats, money that actually increases tax revenues and decreases the deficit. this deal, the irs cut part of it, will actually increase the deficit and debt ironically. >> absolutely right. in fact, the irony upon the irony is that those tax cheats are mostly very wealthy people. so you're going to actually aggravate, exacerbate inequality in this country. and you're going to allow the wealthy to get away with cheating on their taxes, they were the ones who were cheating before and that's why the irs did not have the resources to go after them. that's where the irs needed more resources, and at the same time, you're putting extra work requirements on some of the most vulnerable people in our society. aggravate saying the central dilemma of our society which is the widening gap between the very, very rich and the lower middle class, working class and the poor. >> one last question for, you bob, i don't want to end it on doom and gloom. progressives on the left say, look biden this is

usually, that's the purview of the irs, not the department of justice, so highly suspicious. we know that there's an investigation because hunter biden has paid $1 million and admitted there's an investigation. so why are the agents suddenly taken off the case? >> trace: yep! that's a very good point. i want to just play this for leslie because here's what the democrats said about whistle-blower protection back in 2019. watch. >> used to be a bipartisan commitment we protect whistle-blowers because we want them to come forward with the truth of the conduct of our elected officials. >> whistle-blowers play an important role in our government and -- in revealing wrongdoing that they see. it's an important part of writing bills to protect whistle-blowers. >> 2019, whistle-blowers are really important. certainly they're not for democrats. >> i'm a democrat. i think whistle-blowers are important. i haven't heard anyone from my department say otherwise it may be necessary to preserve objectivity of the investigation and the alleged witness, so sometimes you're actually further prot

to infuse into the irs. but that money will all go -- be shifted around to other places. to make up for any deep cuts to discretionary spending that republicans want to make. so overall, i think they're doing a pretty good job. but the key is to make sure that everybody can walk away, both sides, the art of compromise. which is politics, can walk away saying they got a win. >> tyler, michael, i have a feeling that there may be developments in the next few hours. if there are, i'm going to ask you both to pop back in so we can talk about what those look like. for now, i want to bring in new york congressman, adriano eslpaillat. a democrat congressman, thank you so much. i want to bring in the reporter so you could hear from their vantage point, where we are from your vantage point. where are we? >> well, they are speaking to each other. i think that's good. however, the cuts that were proposed by the republicans in new york state, for example, will take way over 126,000 families. women, children, will lose th

so the interesting aspect of the irs funding is, yes, okay, you can take $10 billion to $20 billion out of the funding allocated but how much does it actually cost and does it have an impact on the deficit. i know there are some who are thinking that perhaps republicans could be surprised to see that it could actually have an opposite effect on the deficit. so they are not really committing to it being a final piece of the package up they see how it is scored. >> you know what offsets a deficit, revenue. thank you both. joining me now is south dakota republican congressman and chair of the main street caucus dusty johnson. thank you so much for being with us. we keep hearing we're getting close to a deal but i just heard garrett graves say hell no to any movement on work requirements. do you know where things actually stand? >> i won't give you up to the date intelligence on how things are going in the room, but i'll talk in a broadway that work requirements continue to be a top priority for republicans because they work. and we're not talking about anybody who is pregnant or anybody wh

a whistleblower last week was fired from the irs. we don't -- i don't know what their political affiliation is but make sure we are protecting them. we want to talk to them and protect them so they know the information they provide us is safe and they are safe. >> john: as all of this is going on, also the debt ceiling, coming at us at 1,000 miles an hour, speaker mccarthy met with the president yesterday afternoon, he found reason for optimism. what he said. >> i think the tone tonight was better than any other time we have had discussions. i felt it was productive because look, we both know, we walked through this for a long time. our differences, explaining them, the give and take what we think would be best for moving the country forward. >> john: still a lot of disagreement here. is this going to get done? because as we get closer and closer, the markets are getting nervous, other countries are getting nervous, businesses in this country are getting nervous, particularly ones that do business with the federal government. where do

another big part of it is just improving the quality of service at the irs we have already seen some of the benefits in the short-term some the data irs has put out, refunds are getting out the door quicker, people calling the irs with questions are getting calls answered much faster it's to make government work well for the people who are funding it. >> one of the other risks to think about here, it's one you raised yourself in previous interviews with us, is the precedent that this sets now every time you have, let's say, a democratic president, republican house, or vice versa. the negotiation. the fact that, up, you're holding a gun to the economy's head for trying to prevent default, what other demands can be exacted the next time around? is it going to go into abortion? is it going to go into immigration? is it going to go into contentious issues >> look, as you noted, this only happens with one particular alignment, when you have a republican house and democratic president. for whatever reason, house republicans feel like it's a reasonable thing to do to take the global economy

we not only repealed the irs agents putting it work requirements. now spending less money in the first congress to do that than the congress before. democrats the present he cannot just go spend 1.5 trillion. we may fully fund our military and our veterans and the nondefense level goes back to 22 levels, even below that. think about that we don't control the senate we do not control the presidency. comparison will we controlled all three we did not do any of that we spent more money it is a new day. it is a new congress at the new republican majority. shannon: the "washington post" wrote about this yesterday said this about what it's ultimately in the dose of the white house agreed to inflation induction reduction in discretionary programs. but one upbeat mitigated by redirecting funds in other areas such as the mini club applicant in arriving at 16 expansion will rise by 1% in 2025 per this question whether a lot of this is a wash. if you're just moving money from one place to another customer. >> the president increases by six truck we always said