>> i would say yes. >> violative of the law, which is to say against the law. the irs in 1959 without authority from congress changed congress' intent in 501(c)4 organizations, and they suddenly had to be primarily for social welfare, which meant from that day forward irs agents somewhere, washington or cincinnati or somewhere were going to have to evaluate how much politics a 501(c)4 applicant was going to engage in. but by either standard, standard of the law written by congress or standard of the regulation as misinterpreted by the irs, any organization with the name of a political party in its title of any size for the democratic party to the tea party to local tea parties to socialist workers party to the green party, every single such application should have been rejected for 501(c)4 status as a matter of law. >> not a single application for this status, this tax exempt status, was denied. >> and so the real scandal here is not that the applications were delayed but that they were ever approved. once the political media latched onto the paradigm of a scand

we have to look at the law. and make sure it's being interpreted correctly, which is his way of signaling, there is a solution in this law. but the politics of this are very, very simple. if the irs has bothered anyone, your job as a politician is to attack the irs. that's why there is not one elected official in washington standing up going, excuse me, actually, some of what they do, they do pretty with. like this is not -- >> that's why the tax man cometh is a bad thing and not a heralding proclamation. i think, actually, lawrence, this is an uncomfortable subject, because it's really ultimately about money and politics, right? i mean, this is about the influence of 501(c)(4)s in the political arena and also super pacs. but 501(c)(4)s have been around a long time and we talk about citizens united and super pacs influencing the political arenas. but 501(c)(4)s as you have pointed out are influential and should not be tax exempt. this is an uncomfortable place for the administration, given where the president is

the rule of law. all those people that are sitting around in the countries of the world that are inspired by the statue of liberty that want to come here, many of them are subject to an arbitrary no rule of law where they can be stopped and fricked in the streets and where the -- frisked in the streets and the police can squeeze some dollars out of you whether you got a speeding ticket. they don't think they get justice in the courts in the world. they don't have freedom of speech. they don't have freedom of religion. and they want to come here because we have everyone is equal under the law. remember the statue -- statute, . speaker, tricky to say statue here, i'm talking about a statue of lady justice. she's holding the scales of justice. and these scales are balanced. they are even. you see the pots hanging from the chains on either side. and generally when you see her she's wearing a blindfold. because we have equal justice under the law in the united states. the image of lady justice also retracts

houser knew there was a difference between the law as written and the irs interpretation of that law,ed a policy decision as to whether the language of the statute or language of the regulation's controls should be reached. but he not only refused to reach it, he chose to deny 501(c)4 status only to organizations that are primarily engaged in political activity, and thus the deed was done. and irs agents were left to try to figure out just how political political organizations could be and still get tax exempt status under 501(c)4. today citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington have done in writing in an official pleading to the bernl revenue service what i have been trying to do on this program. in a 17 page filing that contains a masterful history of how wrong the irs has been for so long about this matter, they are asking the irs to simply enforce the law as written by congress and to drop the irs false interpretation of that law. the pleading says it is critical that the irs act now by promulgating new regulations that comport with the statutory requirement of 501(c)4

is the law perfect? no. can we and should we come together, stop fighting and get back to the work of the people? yes. there is broad agreement in our country that the affordable care act is not perfect. so let's start there. instead of fighting, congress should work together to fix this law and make it work for americans. today i believe our time is best served by working together to create that which our country so badly needs. jobs. hardworking families are waiting for us to deliver on a promise that brought many of us to this chamber. a jobs bill that puts americans back to work. my amendment, the security and energy and manufacturing act, creates high-paying,. it supports american businesses that create innovative energy products and hire workers here in america. this is a jobs proposal to help american businesses grow and stay competitive in a global marketplace. i want businesses in my community to put their innovative energy products right into our economy. energy innovation is quickly becoming one of

we can complain about what the law says. ssue is about the enforcement of that law, the american people deserve to know that it's not being biased. it's even-handed. it's fair. in regards to tax contribution. by the way, earlier we heard some discussion from dan pfeiffer about whether the irs is the appropriate body now to look into obama care and he didn't sound very confident. he said we'll have to look into that. to that point you made earlier about that article in the washington, post, big government was promised to deal with these issues to solve our problems, i think that's also being brought into question. >> do you believe it's appropriate for sarah hall ingram now overseeing the president's health care plan to remain in that position? >> well, we don't know enough yet. she apparently was at the ta tax-exempt office up until 2012. we need to find out why she was given promotions during that period and why she was promoted to another job to take care of even bigger responsibility. the irs is being asked to take on whic

law degree. that is true. but that is not quite the same as saying, spend $150,000 on his law degree and then just find something else that you really want to do. i mean, my thought that would be, what do you find something that you really want to do first and save yourself hundred 50 grand. under first point i agree with you completely and think there was something refer to "creative destruction. and i think we are in a process in the legal profession right now in a number of different ways, may be very early in the process of a kind of creative destruction. you're seeing it in the implosion of some of these big firms. you're seeing it with -- i mean, law school deans, many law school deans and a steadily are running around as if there was on fire because it is. they're really concerned about applications. they're concerned about having enough -- on not talking about the top schools, places like northwestern or anything like that, but we have 200 -- 200 accredited law schools in this country. there are about 50 of them that are going

the law has a bright line. it says if you engage in a wongful action, there is a defense called the insanity defense which never works as most of us know because we don't recognize it. should we recognize it, that's an interesting question. should we have a more robust concept of diminished responsibility in light of the understanding that some people have less control over their preferences and desires or should we have better sentencing schemes or get rid of incarceration and come up with different models of trying to deal with punishment once we understand people have wrong selections. i think those are all interesting questions, but is there free will? well, the fact that almost everybody in the audience raised either their right or left hand contemplated it and were quickly able to act and respond. that to me says, yes, there is. now what do we want to do about it? now that we understand that those of us in the audience or up here that like chocolate cake may not have control over it, how do we want to acco

the rule of law is essential to the limits of freedom. but nevertheless uncertain, people retreat from the committees not knowing whether they can do them or not. and i don't mean that the rule of law the rule of lawyers. i'm in the rule of law sometimes put this in our profession we are so adequately superior to the rest of the world that if we how voters make it making all the decisions that would do it. so we made a number of adjustments and i think the war on terror are response to the terror war on us is going to be a dynamic response pair whenever we change what we're doing, we need to do it outside the box perhaps, but never outside the constitution. to do with thee of the public-health problem and how the government would readjust itself to avoid some of those abuses. we talk about how it came to light in how attorney general levi responded to that situation. >> so have been fbi program counter private accounts program program -- [inaudible] and it was -- the predicate for it as a basis for it was supposedly they take impossible s

i can tell you my view is that no one is above the law. where there is criminal wrongdoing, investigations are appropriate and prosecutions are corporate. i cannot speak to the prosecutorial decisions that were made. i was not in the treasury at the time. it is also not in my area of responsibility. >> is it your sense that when a major organization is engaged in long standing money laundering, which they have admitted to, and they are given a free pass on criminal persecution, that draws into question whether or not there are organizations that are above the law. what does that convey to ordinary americans? >> i have testified on a number of occasions. my point of view is, no one is above the law. >> i would encourage you to weigh in, because your world is a world involving large financial institutions, so there is an overlap between your role in this regard. i want to turn to the ig report. senator menendez noted that we have this unusual situation for the statute of the law says that donations will be used exclusively for charitable acti

five states it's against the law. >> reporter: the nra decided to support a court challenge to overturn the law rather than a petition referendum, but the petition organizer says she doesn't want to leave the fate of the new gun law to the courts. >> i thought this citizens of maryland deserved a voice on this issue. >> reporter: so for now the gun battle rages on. >> reporter: backers of that referendum need to collect about 18,000 signatures by the end of this month and then another 38,000 signatures by the end of june. live at the inner harbor derek valcourt, wjz eyewitness news. >> it will be interesting to see polling on this issue. thanks. if the referendum is approved, it would go to voters in november of 2014. >>> a stabbing this weekend at the university of maryland baltimore county as students prepare to go home for the summer. tim williams has more on the incidents and students' reaction. >> reporter: it's not the sendoff students were expecting. >> i got the message on my phone. it was a little surprising, but at the same time

it would be the 38th vote to roll the law back. but the first one this year. >> we've got 70 new members that have not had the opportunity to vote on the president's health care law. frankly, they have been asking for an opportunity to vote on it and we'll give to them. >> want to bring in the "washington post" and political editor. perry, what does it say that we're now three years since its passage, the president still trying to promote the law. there are ads trying to get people to sign up and be aware of it. and republicans are still trying to repeal it. seems like we're in the same place. >> i don't think we're in the same place, richard. in terms of the law itself on october 1st, we have a big deadline coming up where people can actually start formally signing up for the law itself and signing up and getting the subsidized insurance. so it's the first time people can actually get insurance through the law who are uninsured. and the white house is holding the event in part because their view is people don't necessarily know tha

you have to enforce the law. we allow some kind of automatic -- but the issue of biomet trick, which we discuss at length yesterday very expensive and very every time it's been proven it's flopped. if we push the biometric system we probably have nothing for a decade. having the system, that worked, as i mentioned, it worked in many places as a tryout and the disney land example. disney land did a fingerprint, and when they -- i can't remember which one. i think disney world did a fingerprint and disney study hod it worked, they went back to picture of biographic system like the passport at disney world. every place that it's i've been a big supporter of biomet trick. if you want something to work, and you want to go in effect in a reasonable amendment time simply say let's do a biometric. we've been saying it for years since 2001. we haven't had one. it's a known system, if not bulletproof, as close as you can come, and if you want to -- i the to have the possible perfect ten years in the future be the enemy of t

i don't mean by the rule of law the rule of lawyers. i mean the rule of law practice in our profession we are so adequately superior to the rest of the world that if we just have lawyers making the decisions it is not so. they made a number of adjustments and i think the war on terror a response to the pterosaur en masse is going to have to be a dynamic response. whenever we change what we're doing, we need to do it outside the box perhaps, but never outside the constitution. >> jack, one of the challenges edward levi faced and how the governor would of, how it came to light and how the attorney general responded to that situation. >> and sba program, counterintelligence program -- [inaudible] and the predicate for it and the basis for it was supposedly taking a positive step that one could prevent violations of the law would have become the foreign agents. they were aimed against gymnastics and civil rights organizations and war organizations and became in the post-watergate. for the watergate rhetoric for dirty tricks kinds of things.

the law. e transcendent law. >> and you and i know that there wasn't law like that unless god exists. but that's a separate story. >> but the point is that whoever controls the laws controls the country. >> i quote someone in my book as saying show me your laws and i will show you your god. see, if i make up my own laws i'm my own god. if the supreme court makes up its own laws and there is no authority above the supreme court, it becomes its own god. >> and of course, in america today we have jetson the ten commandments taken supreme law giver and removed them. i remember being in one the great states in united states and being in the supreme court of the capital of this state. >> and the ten commandments were washed out of all of the literature that they had. they had this big board which they couldn't get rid of. the plaque. but it was all stroked out. because you know you can't allow god into law or the ten commandments. now, you can understand why there is such a big issue when it comes to

and i don't mean by the rule of law, the rule of lawyers. i mean the rule of law. sometimes it's -- if we would just have lawyers making all the decisions, do it, not so. so we made a number of adjustments, and i think the war on terror or response to the terrorist war on us, is going to be a dynamic response. but whenever we change what we are doing, we need to do it outside the box perhaps, never outside the constitution. >> so, jack, one of the challenges that edward levi faced had to do with how the government would read just itself so as to avoid some of those abuses. readjust itself. could you talk about how came to life and how attorney general levi responded to that situation? >> so, it was an fbi program, counterintelligence program. it was, the product, the basis for it was supposedly that by taking steps of action one could prevent violations of the law. what it had really done was a program which they were directed against foreign agents, but the ones, those are typically not the ones that were controversi controversial. the ones that were very controver

will not change a single state law. the issue of marriage has long been a state law issue until the president of marriage act was passed in the late 1990's. many of us on the committee want to see the law of return. now, it discriminates against lawful marriages and makes thousands of american families less secure. in the immigration context, if you are american and you follow my with someone of the same sex from a different country and you get married legally, your spouse will not be treated like .ny other he -- other immigrant my amendment will change that. i want to be the senator who asked america to choose between the level of their life and a love of their country. discriminating against a segment of americans for who they love is a striving -- a travesty that is ripping many american families apart. i know this issue is important to many who serve on this committee. i would like to hear from other members, especially from those who drafted the bill, who decided not to remove the information. senator graham, do you wi

we couldn't find a sincele incident of the law coming down on it. they say it costs too much to send investigators into high-priced restaurants with the possibility of finding a flaw gras infraction. we showed them what we found at la folie. >> we will send an officer out there. if these people order this dish. it was served. they paid for it. and that's a direct violation of the law as it was written. >> reporter: hundreds of restaurants stopped selling foie gras. so the act vests are the only threat the chefs face. the activists would say it's not humane at all. >>> the ski lifts are closed, but there was fresh snow in the sierra today. this is what it looked like at heavenly earlier this afternoon. >> up to 6 inches fell this morning. abc 7 news is here with a look at live doppler. >> yeah. it was raping at lake tahoe, but above 8400 foot elevation it was snowing indeed. so pretty late in the season. as you look at live doppler you can see it has quieted down quite a bit from earlier today when we had heavy thunderstorms. a few sprinkles showing u

on the books now. those laws are not enforced. then it raises the question of confidence. >> right. >> sean: if we are not going to force the law now and arizona passes a law with the same language as the federal law and they are beaten up for doing what they wouldn't do nationally why would people have the confidence this would work this time? >> that is the problem is the lack of trust. republican administrations failed to do this, too. you don't get to 11 million people in the country illegally overnight. this took a couple of administrations or more for the problem to build up to the level that it has. let me describe some of the laws are not enforced because we don't have the mechanisms to enforce. it is illegal to hire an illegal alien. business dos not have a reliable way to determine if that is truly the person. they show you a social security card. even if you ran it through e-verify you could get a false neglect seven. people who overstayed their visas, we track them when they come in but not when they leave. the boarder

we have filed the proper forms. this is a state law and we are within the state law according to the body that regulates this process. >> i understand. just asking about the 801. the words i got from mr. gibner if the department receives a gift and whether that would require an 801 and it would seem like it would, but i'm sure if it's a firm requirement or if it's a good thing to do. can you answer that question? >> you seem to not be totally firm about whether it's a mandate of something whether it should be done. >> it is a mandate when a department receives a gift that benefits an employer or officer that the department must file an 801 or if the department doesn't file an 801 then the gift is a personal gift to the recipient, the individual and is subject to the gift form 700 reporting that applied to that individual. there is the fpcc advice that indicates when a department receives a gift that is designated for an official's office that that is the type of gift that the city an individua official as should be reported on the 801.

of the fair labor laws. nd they say -- well, we will have enforcement, but then they cut it as a reality. if you are a government worker, you are in better shape than the average worker in the private sector, which is what we are talking about. guest: -- caller: we can put more money in enforcement? of course we can. where is the money coming from? where is the money coming from with the debt that the way we have it? my final comment, i encourage on line and to go read the actual law. guest: i agree with that. i agree that everyone should read the law. the wonderful thing about today, you can easily. you can get the name of the law, you can read it. we really believe in that. you are going to see that the republican version is much weaker. i am not just talking about democrats and republicans. if you look at where all of the women's groups are, a wide array of them, not just a handful, a wide array of these groups are on the side of the stricter versions. we want real flextime, where the employee can work wit

this is a repeal of the 2010 health care law. we spoke to a capitol hill reporter for a preview. >> jennifer haberkorn is health reporter for "politico." why are house republicans setting up another bill on repealing the health care law of 2010? >> well, they really got some opposition from their freshmen members and most conservative members saying that the house isn't doing enough to repeal the health law. obviously president obama has been re-elected. this is his law and he's never going to allow repeal to get past his desk, but that doesn't mean house republicans don't want to make a statement and make it clear to the public that they continue to fight this law. >> how many times have house republicans tried to repeal the law? >> this will be the 37th vote to repeal a portion of the law. there's been 37 votes, most of them were in the last three years, but this will be only the third time they've attempted full repeal of the law. >> what are republicans saying specifically about the health care law that they say hurts the econ

we call all of these laws ada, but really ada is one aspect of the federal laws. there are five or six statutes, depending on the specifics of the case. there are a series of overlapping laws, all of which require essentially the same thing. did different measures of damages and other things. the lawyers will sue you on these various labels. they all really say the same thing. the purpose of that letter is to establish damages. the first thing to do when you get that letter is to have your place it inspected. if you have done so, let the person know that you have had the place inspected. that makes the case go away. certainly, it lessens the likelihood you were going to be sued. if you need more time, talk to the tenants or talk to the person suing you, sending you the letter. get some additional time. they do not have elyria. what you need to do is find out what your rights are, and if you need to make repairs or remediations, do it because you are going to have to do it sometime during the course of litigation if there is a problem with access to your premises, s

he was very much in favor of it and wanted the law implemented and fought for the law but now sees what is happening and frankly, greta, look, i love the country. i want the country to do well.

the u.s. lawy apple has avoided the hill like the plagu for a variety of reasons, but this is important to for apple to have a say. it did tim could do a good job? >> well, look, i don't think anyone wants to find themselves event of a committee for really any purpose unless it's to advocate or something, improve the job climate. i'm not sure that apple would think today they're doing that, but think that the seal presented a spirited defense, explain it clearly that apple has been following the law. good for him, and let's get the congress now focused on what needs to be done, and that is a reform on an outmoded tax cut that is desperately in need of modernization. ashley: one can only hope. thank you so much. appreciate your comments. >> thank you. lori: liz claman is here to tak you to the last hour of trading. she will have all of the deed - day trading action. right before a major announcement. she will check in with the oklahoma native an oilman with company headquarters all locate near the

the irs changed the law. the irs took a hard, clear word like exclusively, a word with legal meaning, and changed it to the soft word primarily that means nothing. left it open to irs agents then to determine if your organization was primarily concerned with the promotion of social welfare. and then in 2010 there's suddenly a flood of organizations applying for tax exempt status, saying they are primarily for the promotion of social welfare, and their titles include the words tea party. what planet do you have to be from to know that tea party organizations are not operated exclusively for promotion of social welfare as the words of the law require, and what planet do you have to be from to know that tea party organizations are not even, quote, primarily to further the common good and general welfare, which is the irs scandalous interpretation of the words exclusively for the promotion of social welfare. tea party organizations are primarily, and many of them exclusively, for the promotion of republican politi

we call all of these laws ada, but really ada is one aspect of the federal laws. there are five or six statutes, depending on the specifics of the case. there are a series of overlapping laws, all of which require essentially the same thing. did different measures of damages and other things. the lawyers will sue you on these various labels. they all really say the same thing. the purpose of that letter is to establish damages. the first thing to do when you get that letter is to have your place it inspected. if you have done so, let the person know that you have had the place inspected.

is the law and the cutoff in the law exists for a reason and if the facts, as presented, are true, then that's just the way things work. why is that not right? >> well, the law is the law, but i think that if we chose to prosecute everyone who was violating this law, then we wouldn't even have room for all the cases in the courthouse. i believe that times have changed a little bit since the law's been put into place, and other states have recognized this, i believe the state of georgia has reduced this to a misdemeanor, the state of wisconsin has set it out on a first offense you attend a class and there is educational counseling for you and once you complete that, there are no charges brought against you. i just believe the laws of the state of florida need to be changed, and unfortunately, we're here with the law as it is, but we're hoping that as we said earlier, common sense can prevail and we can get both of these girls out of this without completely destroying them. >> julia, what would common sense look like for you, what would be a fair, just outcome to this situation? >>

we have a quick summary of the laws. the ada, calif. building code, the civil rights, and our experts here will elaborate. we also have a list of certified caps at work in san francisco for you. carla johnson with the mayor's office of disability has created a really good it died of out to interview your experts to make sure you are getting the best quality product for you. been next -- the money you pay for the inspection you can take as a tax deduction. any money that if you have taken can be applied as a tax deduction. this can be done on an annual basis. next, the opportunity, and a fund -- opportunity loan fund, providing for small businesses to pay for the inspection or to make do it before you receive e lawsuit. and lastly, we of the bar association and their resources. they're providing their legal service for you. this last thing i am going to share with you in terms of what we have seen in our office is that with the individuals, that does not necessarily mean an individual will follow up with a lawsuit. what we've seen in our

in his mind, an obvious violation of the law. he starts reporting the violations he sees to law enforcement by taking still photos. but he says his complaints go nowhere. so he comes up with a plan to become a video vigilante. >> wherever i am in the city, i bring my video camera with me. the video camera is the great equalizer. the video camera does not lie. and it's just a matter of a few moments before i see something that i feel i need to videotape. >> jimmy, by day, a 37-year-old sound engineer and part-time musician, by night video vigilante. he doesn't make any money at it. but he says moments like these are priceless. >> why are you taking a picture of me? >> the sign is clear. no parking anytime. i'm taking a picture of you because you're a police officer who's supposed to enforce the law. >> no parking? >> and you parked your police car in a place where the sign says no parking anytime. >> you're harassing me. >> you're not doing your job. >> she confirms that there's a "no parking anytime" sign. >> the new york police d

, to keep the law the way it is.s fault on both sides here. and the victims of the ordinary american taxpayers. >> very good. right there, that's the debate we've been having all day today, as we watch tim cook testify before that senate panel. thank you both for your thoughts today. thank you very much. >>> heading toward the close. hanging in there. you know what, usually the day before you get testimony from a fed chairman, you'll get a market that wants to go sideways waiting for what he has to say. >> meanwhile, there are a couple of highlights within the dow. jpmorgan shares higher. that's one of them. activist investors failed to set up jamie dimon's ceo and chairman roles. someone says you should bank on this stock as a result. >> and speaking of jamie dimon, we'll look at whether his victory will solidify his power at that financial giant and if that's good or bad for the bank. we're coming back after this. [ female announcer ] there's one thing dave's always wanted to do when he retires -- keep working, but

or go for obamacare or don't go for obamacare is a violation of the law sure i mean clearly again and i hope that it's cool to the right to put the saw something that we don't even that we didn't have any evidence that we don't know or more of a known policy issued by people high up at the i.r.s. there what are they apologizing for if there's nothing that true so you're going to pin this on obama because some pinning it on obama wallboard is the buck stops about how do you know he i'm going to lose this year and it's just going to be a way that he knows nothing he seemed outrageous happened under an iris administrator who was appointed by george w. bush was a republican but what happened to hope and change then i mean right why is it ok why is sudden oh no later today is that it was a five year term. exactly the box got a stop somewhere and where were the buck stop with this the president has said he's going to he's going to get the bottom of it if anybody has faith in iraq must go about a surprise let me tell you what everybody has got to do when there's a real scandal that happens a

if the laws are bad, change the laws. if we need to have a different metrics, but whatever that matrix is, whatever the standards are, you have to enforce it or else you become an open border society and you promote something different than the rule of law, i.e., criminal conduct, and we cannot afford anarchy if we're going to have a democracy. >> one more thing to that. , i we talk about hispanics know the democrats have spent a lot of money trying to villeify us, but the hispanics i know generally speaking have a faith in god. they love their families and they have a strong work ethic. those are three things i think made america great, that i think have been waning in recent years. so i think the hispanic culture has so much to bring and can help rejuvenate america. and i have confidence that once people have done the research and see which party stands for what and see which party is more pro-life and more pro-family and embraces a faith in god that they'll become republicans. i have great confidence that a majority wil

with it destroys the rule of law. and the rule of law is an ep sensual pillar of american exceptionalism. many people come here because we have equal justice under the law. if we reward people who break the law, they are unlikely to raise their children to respect it. the rule of law, at least with regard to immigration, would be destroyed and the promise of the law being enforced from this point forward, i don't know how we can listen to that with a straight face. we remember the 1986 amnesty act, and there were six after that smaller ones that didn't make the news so much, and they were promises for the next group that would be amnestied. this group of 11.3 million they're calculating will be bigger than they say, that always has been the case. it was roughly going to be a million in 1986. it became three million in 1986. this number will be larger, it's predicted to be 33 million by the time you add in legal and illegal and i think that number perhaps grose from there. the assimilation that's been an important part

the treasury and the irs deliberately and inexplicably changed the intent of the law. the code itself defines 501 c 4 social welfare organizations as civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively, exclusively for the promotion of social welfare. the interpretation guidelines of the irs then say this as of 1959. to be operated exclusively to promote social welfare an organization must operate primarily to further the common good and general welfare of the people of the community. the irs changed in effect the legal word exclusively to primarily with no authority whatsoever, and the irs has been using that incorrect interpretation guideline since 1959. this is a case of the government being wrong for so long that the government and no one in it seems to know how wrong the government has been. it is entirely possible that no one in the white house counsel's office tonight knows this and no one currently working in treasury knows this. but even if they do, the obama administration has decided it is now impossible to try to teach the truth

and we learned there is something called the letter of the law, and the spirit of the law. he speed limit is 55, if you go 56, 57 it's okay. in this case the parents should be parents. don't use the law as a shield to protect their child or enforce a law to put the other child in gail or incarcerate another child -- >> stephanie: unfortunately it's kind of up to the judge as to whether they are going to go with the spirit of the law or the letter of the law. >> stephanie: yeah. >> so it's really arbitrary. >> stephanie: yeah, i think we all recognize the difference between this and a 50 year old man and a four year old or something. and you bring up speeding. isn't there more of a fine for -- >> reckless. >> stephanie: yeah. >> that's when you go well above. well above. >> it's different in different states -- >> caller: i understand with the judge. but it shouldn't have even gotten that car. the parents should understand first of all when they were kids the difference in their age. when they were kids should they have maybe talked to the kids alone, instead of exploiting th

the official travels. that is supplement state law. i think that's the suggestion of supervisor campos that locally the city could supplement state law. my response to supervisor kim and chiu's questions really go to our interpretation of state law, based on the ftpc's advice on the matter. this is not the conclusion the ftpc reached in this case. >> i think it was supervisor kim raised an issue about a third-party entity reviewing -- serving as a pass through for the dissemination for gifts or dollars donated. one, if this is in another jurisdiction. i also would be interested if there's a cost associated with in? sounds like there wouldn't be, but wanted to see if you could opine on that. >> if any board member wants us to pursue that as a possibility, i'd be happy to do that. under state law, that type of fund would be allowed because an individual, a third-party would be giving a gift to the city to be used for the beauty of the city offices and as long as it was reported on 801, that would be appropriately reported gift under state

that before the law the victims should be central, should be primary.nd instead we have a system that is very trivializing a victims. very patronizing. i know kate probably is offended by that, but it is patronizing. come in and testify for us. victims are the only party in a criminal case not represented by their own counsel. >> they are. they're represented by me. i represent the people of the state of the york, and that is, in an adversarial relationship command a victim is to i'm advocating for on behalf of all of us. so there is -- they are represented in the courtroom, and their voices heard. the amount of resources that we want to get to these victim's right away to try to make them all, to help them psychologically, financially, we start right from the beginning. this is a pamphlet for my county, and this is the state crime victims board pamphlet. and it is not that they are being demeaned. in the least. just the opposite. priceline other so many victims' groups, gay, white victims groups, and there are so many out there, and there will be watch

how is your understanding the need for this law and the need for treatment? >> my experiences that our current mental health system is based on crisis management. from what i have seen with people like my son and people that can't recognize their illness and aren't willing to take their medication, it just does not work. too many of our mentally ill end up on the streets and in the criminal justice system. these are pictures of my son and another mother's son. we wanted to share with you so you can have an insight to our lives and our sons lives. my son could have never harmed anybody. the other son has lived on the streets for four years now. this mom told me when he was firstborn how beautiful he was. he was a 4.0 student, he was extremely bright and invited to all the top schools. he now lives in city parks and on the street. both of our families tried desperately to help our sons to try to prevent this. we could not. our son first became ill after high school. he was supposed to go to college like many other people's kids an then he had his first psychoti

facts the law offers more affordable health care. and protect every american from the worst insurance company abuses no more excuses no more chilling politicians need to be standing up for middle class americans so we have basic how can security not standing in line with. our health care workers are on board so what will republicans get the message for more on this let's turn things over to tonight's big picture politics and. our panel tonight here in new so with the national advisory council of the project twenty one black leadership network managing editor of raw story and tim cavanaugh they could have editor of the daily caller thanks for joining me all of. you heard my setup in praise of obamacare and should you guys be celebrating the fact that it could fundamentally conservative idea i mean this was put forward in the one nine hundred eighty s. by the heritage foundation picked up by mitt romney republican governor of massachusetts and put in a place there should you guys be like this is what i don't know i don't know. i don't k