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say the "new york times" was out in front of anything. more over, the hypocrisy of the "new york times" invoking state rights -- >> saying once we reveal the federal law each state can -- >> i am very much -- i would push almost all of these things down to the lowest level possible. but the "new york times" doesn't have that position on tobacco or anything else except on policies where it thinks it will advance the ball. >> kelly, we saw a little bit in those clips and the rest of the media not falling into those line about glowingly positive reports about let's legalize pot. >> gawker, which can be snarky sometimes, i thought they had an interesting column which was entitled endorsing legalized weed doesn't make you a thought leader. but when you read it, he essentially made the samt argument. when you have the "new york times" doing article after article for years on the article in terms of arrestes and who was facing larger penalties for marijuana arrests in new york and to weigh all of this once it becomes palm lar in polls nationally

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the ground. we are getting them up live for you. we have breaking news from the new york times about the second independent autopsy of michael brown. we are going to bring you breaking news from the "new york times" right after the break. this is a woyeah!esitating on a life-changing decision. at university of phoenix, we- we know going back to school is a big decision. that's why we offer many first year students with limited to no college experience a risk-free period. so you can commit to your education with confidence. get started at phoenix.edu purina dog chow light & healthy is a deliciously tender and crunchy kibble blend. with 20% fewer calories than purina dog chow. isn't it time you discovered the lighter side of dog chow. purina dog chow light & healthy. does your mouth often feel dry? a dry mouth can be a side effect of many medications but it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. that's why there's biotene. available as an oral rinse, toothpaste, spray or gel, biotene can provide soothing relief, and it helps keep your mouth healthy, too. remember, while you

"the new york times" doesn't know. m is all the clarity that you get from the new york times in depth reporting on this. that's all you get on that point. "the new york times" interviewed michael brady. why didn't they quote him on how michael brown moved toward the officer? listen to this description michael brady gave tonight about how michael brown moved toward the officer. >> by the time i get outside, he's already turned around, facing the officer. he's balled up, he has his arms like under his stomach and he was halfway down, like he was going down. and the officer lets out about three or four shots at him. so like i said, just like the body, i took a few pictures in the video, but how his body is on the ground with his arms tucked in, that's how he got shot or whatever. like i said before, he was already like this, and he look one or two steps going towards the officer and like i said, he let go three or four more shots at him. >> that's what michael brady means by moving toward the officer. michael brown stumbli

the media changing? you catched across your career and thom as well in "new york times." back in the day we had bureaus from cbs and "new york times." it seem to me, those are now shrinking and becoming fewer in number. we're now depending more on the more that's actually there. we touched on this as well in terms of the impact of the internet. how do you think the media is changing with some of the aspects? >> to give you an example, when i started on the news, getting them was a big story everyday. we would tell you the story and show you footage from two or three days ago. then we got video taped. video tape, you didn't have to develop. there was a delay but not as much of a delay. then, in the gulf war, i was the executive producer of the weekend news sunday morning. we had an 11:00 newscast. i remember sitting in the control room. we had a transmitter on a flat bed truck. sitting in the control room where they found the footprint of the satellite. you saw american troops walking in kuwait. now of course with the arab spring, it's instantaneous. the question is, how do

"the new york times" did a detailed investigation. does it deserve credit for taking on this democratic senator? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. but the big news, which is that he's dropped out of the race, which could also affect the partisan leadership of the united states senate, really hasn't been covered. it's been buried. but i was going to say that i think this could be a feel-good story, howie because we know that another politician who dropped out of a political race for plagiarizing is now vice president of the united states. where are those stories? >> okay. well, the same week, leslie marshall, that the "times" published this investigation, detailed investigation of senator john walsh, it also looked at new york's democratic governor andrew cuomo undermining a commission he abolished. what does this tell but "the new york times" approach to journalism? >> i think they're doing exactly what i learned in college journalism should do, which is report the facts. i mean, when you looked at -- when you look at the information and

," nate's fivethirtyeight blog at "the new york times" was a huge driver of internet traffic to "the new york times" website throughout the whole 2012 election cycle. it was just a mega, mega site for them. of course after the 2012 election when he nailed it again despite all of the naysayers, after that he sort of became too big for "the new york times" and now he is nate silver empire. he once again is running something called fivethirtyeight but now under the auspicious of espn. it's not just about politics and definitely not just about sports. he's an empire. espn is very lucky to have a piece of it. right now, nate silver's latest prediction about who's going to control the u.s. senate after this year's elections is that he says there's a 60% probability that republicans are going to win control of the u.s. senate. after nate silver left "the new york times", "the times" formed another data-driven unit on their website called the upshot. it does a lot of things nate used to do plus more. they have a big staff. they're particularly good into turning data into understandable

those two words, no angel, created a real internet girt backlash against the "new york times," it provokedagain the public editor of "the new york times," margaret sullivan, to do a special posting today about the "new york times" coverage of ferguson and she said that choice of words was a regrettable mistake. later in her report on it, she said "no angel" was a blunder. what would you say to explain the feelings that are out there, both in ferguson and nationally, about the sensitivity to these kinds of references to michael brown? >> yeah, i was disappointed. i thought the timing of that was, at the very least, insensitive. the day of his funeral. and i think a lot -- we've seen different times wear coming from the "new york times" today, even from the local ferguson police department, things that would act to disparage the name of michael brown as the victim. but i think we just need to keep in mind the facts of the case. this is the case of two human beings. one had a weapon, one did not. one wound up dead. and so the community here is eager to get all the facts out about mr. brown an

new light. liberty mutual insurance. >>> just getting a statement in from the executive editor of "the new york timesaqi military helicopter that crashed and alissa rubin, one of the correspondents for "the new york times," was on board, together with a photographer from "the new york times." today, alissa j. rubin, and adam ferg ferguson, were injured when an iraqi military helicopter carrying aid to stranded refugees crashed in northern iraq. they were airlifted to receive medical care. she is a close friend, an esteemed journalist. that statement just coming in from "the new york times." we wish then and everyone else only the best. the pilot of that helicopter, from the kurdish adviser to the president, was killed in that crash. apparently no hostile fire, technical problem. the helicopter went into a rock and that's what happened. we'll get more information, share it with you. >>> the amount of these foreign crises the u.s. is dealing with now, not dealing with in some cases, seems to be growing. so many are questioning the president's decision to go to martha's vineyard for vacation right now a

we need to see people do what they are doing at the "new york times." can build a business off that for the future. there be 80 printer version of "new york times?" >> i think there will be. i don't think there will always be. that it will be around in 10 years. there are those, and i am not sure how accurate this is, but there are certainly those that dailyat some point some papers will be eliminated and the sunday will live on, the lucrative one with the advertising and it and the biggest editorial effort. there is no discussion of anything like that that i am aware of. but, there is no question that is the trend. we have no way of knowing exactly how quickly that will happen. you don't have to go back far to realize, 10 years ago things were very different in the newspaper business. it is difficult to look out 10 years. past, most newspapers generated 85% of revenue from advertising. 15% from circulation. you can imagine the tremendous difference. for those of you who have questions, and we take questions on all topics, i want you to work your way ov

the new york times and the herald tribune were in the battle to be the number one paper in new york and to be the number one paper in the country. and there was newspaper rationing, paper rationing. there was limited space. there was less stuff to print on. the herald tribune shrunk the size of the noose of the could keep their advertisers happy and made huge profits and the times had limited space to cover news. and so they lost money during the war but when the war was over their circulation was higher in all the advertisers came back to "the new york times." the decision of how much do you use your limited resources for ads or, to use for news really meant something. what is different about the internet is would you not have to make that choice. we can say we're going to do all the news we can possibly do because the internet never runs out of space. we will do all of the cute animals and quizzes and lists because we are not going to run out of space and we will do all the rented content and all those things can exist in their track without scarce resources. that has created a really

stuart: the guy from the new york times in charge of the front cover of the new york times magazine fliessee you in the beverly hills cannabis club and goes to the tasting? did he get stoned with you? >> no. what was interesting was he observed everyone. i thought it was really cute when he looked over and said everyone is medicated except for you. he got to meet the chef and the high-profile members of the club and followed this for three days from the dispensary to the tasting and was great. stuart: the new york times got this push on a national basis, and legalize it all over the country and you are in favor of that. you don't want to operate the budget you could be prosecuted by the fed's. you are in favor of this too. in california not long ago there was a referendum, statewide vote legalizing this or not and california said it no. even in california you got an uphill struggle. >> california is still the wild west. and getting from canada, uruguay, israel, all these companies and countries, california is the wild west, and their recent proposition 19 failed which you addressed earlie

colonist forooks, the new york times -- columnist for the new york times. at her opening dinner, david gave a riveting, sobering talk about the subject happiness. in the back of the my mind i have the for a williams song going -- the pharrell williams song going on. the moral versus the economic as we look at the machine age that is coming. david brooks. >> i ask short questions. machines think, humans think, what is the difference? >> i think we both wish that i were thomas these days. you think you have written a book about economics and then somebody shows you what that actually means. machines don't think. a the same way, there is great pioneer of artificial intelligence that said airplanes don't flap their wings. we see cool stuff going on in nature and we build machines that get theire. geeks talk to these uber and i say, are you building artificial brains, they generally say i have no idea how the brain works. i am solving an engineering problem. there are guys who are trying to reverse engineer the brain and put that in silicon. if they are successf

. >> without the internet, even a respected person from the new york times would not have a future because it's income is generated by advertising links. gabrielle dark now works for the guardian newspaper but it was once his job to retain as many new york times readers as possible. but our ability to tell stories has gone from simply print and photographs to interactive to maps, to different types of games, to video and relate to all of those combined. >> this is one of the computer games invented for the new york times. it addresses an issue found in articles in the paper -- the dangers of writing text messages while driving. >> one of the strengths is that it really engages the reader, games or something they actively participate in. as soon as you have one of your readers engaging with your content, it becomes more easy to get them to care more about that content. >> several new york companies specialize in developing computer games for media outlets. one of them is games for change. the most popular article on the new york times in 2013 was not an article i made. it was an interactive

we need to see people do what they are doing at the "new york times." an build a business off that for the future. there be 80 printer version of "new york times?" >> i think there will be. i don't think there will always be. that it will be around in 10 years. there are those, and i am not sure how accurate this is, but there are certainly those that dailyat some point some papers will be eliminated and the sunday will live on, the lucrative one with the advertising and it and the biggest editorial effort. there is no discussion of anything like that that i am aware of. but, there is no question that is the trend. we have no way of knowing exactly how quickly that will happen. you don't have to go back far to realize, 10 years ago things were very different in the newspaper business. it is difficult to look out 10 years. past, most newspapers generated 85% of revenue from advertising. 15% from circulation. you can imagine the tremendous difference. for those of you who have questions, and we take questions on all topics, i want you to work your way over

the wiki leaks documents, which i was involved in. awkward position because right around the same time, a reporter from the new york times emma david robe- from "the new york times" had disappeared, david rogue. casemade an interesting that if we wrote stories about him that it would endanger his life. i can think of a lot of cases where a made a mistake and i was too cautious. by and large, those are the standards. it has to come from someone high up. it has to be as specific. i don't want to hear that i will have blood on my hands. i don't want to hear the vague that this will help the terrorists. i want very, very specific stuff. foiledhe case of the terror plot that led to the justice department sweeping up as ap records, that story was held for five days at the government's request. it was based on the fact that the operation was still ongoing and they were hunting these guys down. it was only after the government said that it would not jeopardize the operation that the story was public which makes what happened next even more outrageous. >> if it's an ongoing investigation and they make the case and they are very specific and it c

say it is a 75 which is what i find the new york times as. terms of what that means is that a new york times is a law like that joe lieberman speech. the lot of people : the moderate he is actually about a 75 on the scale midway between. about like a joe lieberman speech. it's a 75 on that scale. there are various outlets that i computes numbers for it. a report the mall. >> host: give us one example of how you got joe lieberman to 75 end of the new york times is the 75. >> guest: a carry. so this is maybe a recent example, but in my book the main way that i judge hal liberal or conservative the speeches or how liberal or conservative the media content is is look at the tank citations. and so i have a list of 200 think tanks ranging from the heritage foundation to the economic policy institute, think, center for budget and policy priorities of lsi. i just kind of count the ratio of those. you know, is a new york times siding with the heritage foundation more or the center on budget and policy priorities. and they would probably have something

at the end of the day i'm not sure it sells especially since he lost the "new york times." that argument totally makes sense but when the "new york times" above the fold says you are messing up 00 the optics. >> jeez, didn't look very good picture of him in the golf carted after getting off the phone. i think they got the message to that. i don't think we will see that again. >> prime minister cammeron coming off his holiday. i'm surprise weed didn't hear from the president today went hiking with his wife. >> at least is he is not on the golf course. >> there is that anyway, panel, thank you. and it's not just here at home. what kind of message is president obama sending to the rest of the world as he plays golf? british prime minister as we just noted david cammeron cutting his vacation short to deal with isis. former u.n. john bolton joins us. good evening, sir, what kind of message does it send the world and does it matter if the world sees the "new york times" and people here in america troubled that the president is out playing golf as isis beheads an american? >> i don

government stop its to see the new york times journalist james writes that the u.s. justice department wants him to give up the name of the sorts which james lies and has refused to do time and time again now the justice department considers forcing . him to change flies and continues to refuse he may go to jail the source has provided him with information about a bungled cia operation in iran which the journalist used in his two thousand and six book state of war. two thousand and eight to testify against former cia employee who was later charged under the espionage act for allegedly disclosing secrets to the reporter is an appeal to the u.s. supreme court earlier this year to get the justice department to revoke its request for him to testify but to no avail i want to give details about the case but i can just say that you know i think this is really all about. the issue of press freedom in america and whether or not we're going to have. this continued. recording in america that's the central issue. rising if the two time pulitzer prize winner one of his pulitzer w

lou: and your judgment about the "new york times" turning against the president? is is quite a statement from "the new york times" and the party leadership separate yourself. and that traditional support all the sudden falls away so not only with people in their own party tuesday back away but not doing that every day staff to help members they don't want him in their district. they want his dash but not him. he has become a pariah to a lot of people in both races of the democratic party. lou: thank you for being here. speaker of the house hassert. rotation from theodore roosevelt said far better it is to do might be things for glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure them to take rank with the bourse spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much because they live in the grave "twilight" that knows neither victory nor defeat. up next to the kids in make obsession not going according to script. hillary clinton's next attack on president obama. our "name your price" tool helps -- oh, jamie, you got a little something on the back of your shoe there. a price

government going after him, he's broken big stories one or the two or three lead reporters when "the new york times" had to catch up with the post and others with the snowden issue. that is his bread and butter.

cover of the new york daily news the next day which made a big issue of what the president did after he made that statement about james foley, golf war. fox talks about the golf issue all the time, it eventually made it to the "new york times." is it fair to keep harping on obama? >> i think so. i think presidents need vacations, presidents need breaks. presidents have all -- if anybody needs to sort of have a moment of escape, it's the most powerful man in the world who is making these decisions. >> but -- >> but the optics have been horrible. this is something that he's intentionally refused to tone it down. he knows it's an issue. and it does seem sort of inconsistent. >> let me get to richard. >> i have to tell you, i disagree on that completely. i think every president with anybody who has ever covered the white house knows wherever the president is, so is the best communications team and drem lines and aides -- >> 200 people go with him. >> if there was ever a day when the president might have sustained from litting the lijs, maybe that would have been the day? >> it could have been. but icees operating under the strategy that basically is saying, i don't care what the me

. >> an investigation into the american state reverence system for the new york times. >> this newspaper that she worked for. is it comparable to the new york times? >> we would like to think so . the "wall street journal" may be. the conservative version of the national newspaper if there is such a thing. >> often have you been to afghanistan? >> i came here for the first time in 2009. i came late. since then, have been back every year. last summer 2009. >> afghanistan that attracted to? >> i think i first came with the idea that i've wanted to understand blue or the way -- the second big war of my generation. also mall was going on. i wanted to understand what was happening and why there was the story of fundamentalist, especially against women. that is what i set out to do . >> in afghanistan it is considered to be the worst place honors to be a woman. also the most dangerous. and why is that? why have women no rights almost direct leave the house and go to worker drive cars. why is there such abuse? an enormous prevalence of domestic abuse i wanted to just figure out what was going o

news out of the iraq. iraq's military spokesman tells state tv a helicopter delivering aid on mountain crashed. a correspondent for "the new york timesd a freelance reporter both injured and a statement from executive editor today alissa j. rubin a correspondent for "the new york times" and adam ferguson were injured when an iraqi military helicopter carrying aid to stranded refugees crashed in northern iraq. they have been air lifted out of the region in order to receive medical care. alyssa is a close friend and one of our most esteemed journalists. our thoughts and prayers with alyssa and adam. we'll be right back. try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. ♪ ooooohh!!! ♪ what it is, what you want? yeah. ♪ live your life right ♪ make the beat the bump ♪ the undeniable! ♪ come into the party in a b-boy stance ♪ i rock on the mic ♪ and make the world wanna dance ♪ fly like a dove ♪ that come from up above ♪ i'm rocking on the mic ♪ and you can call me mos love ♪ ooooohh!!! ♪ yeah

>>host: give us one example of how you got joe lieberman at 75 and how "the new york times" gets at 75? >>guest: this is a recent example but in my books the main way that i judge how liberal or conservative the speech is or the media content is is i looked at think tank citations i have a list of 200 think tanks from year to its foundation to the economic policy institute, those are on the left and i count the ratio. is then a year times only sightseeing their heritage foundation more center for budget priorities? they would have something like four salesian one ratio. and then by that method it turns out joe b. berman has the same ratio. but i would say finnair times content would be elected joe lieberman speech in some ways. i don't say that in the book and it is good to be called unbiased. that means about 50. so something like c-span would be 50 just because a lot of your content is speeches by a congress. if you get a balance you would be exactly 50 are very near. said you need to have a range with "the washington times" said is 30 all the wit to "the new york times." cbs evening

this is from "the new york times." host: it goes on to talk about the other intricacies of getting the middle east allies to join up with the united states. you can go read more from "the new york times." it is their front page story this morning. john, brooklyn, new york. caller: thank you for taking my call. i want to make a comment about our president, barack obama. i believe he is an efficient president. the nickname that they give him as a scaffold president, that is a good description. after being in office for six years, i think he is thought-provoking and thinks things through. that is the reason for some of the things that have happened. the stock market has almost doubled. we have had that are border security. he is trying to take on the challenges of the world in a detailed and thought-provoking manner. thingsa president that through in difficult situations around the world the. the last point i want to make real quick is about energy. world ofhat the mankind has to progress with energy use going through rene

the "new york times" is no exception. they have a brand of bias. t should never get involved in their news coverage on the front page. i will say, however, people who have biases, and i know what they are, and they share facts that are well researched, i don't find a problem with it. i think transparency is the new objectivity. one of my favorite applications "the economist" and they biased economists. [laughter] >> but in a good way. >> it is like your old wife's uncle telling you things. you know what he thinks. i find it to be wonderful journalism. >> it is interesting what he said about the history of opinion writing, as readership migrates online it is very difficult to tell what is an opinion piece, what is an analysis, what is a reported piece? because it doesn't come with signifiers print did. this is on the front page. this is on the opinion page. this has a tag with a logo that tells me it is someone's column. these things have blended in. with that, i think that these traditional differences have started to go away as well. >> the next qu

and the "new york times" said he had needlessly risked the valuable life in a collapsible and other dangerous device. >> the book is "away from the white house." we've been speaking with larry knutson, the author. thanks for being with us here on american history tv. >> thank you. >> sunday night on american history tv, we'll hear about senator sam irvin's time, from his former aide and his iv.dson, judge sam evin early this his character and how the country lawyer relied on his knowledge of the law and personal convictions to guide the senate watergate committee. >> 200 years ago on august 24, 1814, british forces entered washington, d.c., and burned the capitol building, the president's house, and most of the federal buildings. next, steve vogel, author of "through the perilous fight -- six weeks that saved the nation," texas on a river truer of washington. his program is about 90 minutes. >> ipad a boat on the potomac for about 30 years. it is a great way to see the city. it is a different city. i think of the potomac is an obstacle on the way you have to cross on your way to d.c. is the r

are they giving companies like "the new york times" a run for their money? i think they're being different. i don't think they are doing what the "new york times" has done. they are looking at a new model for a whole new generation of viewers, readers. people who want to be entertained. we have this holier than thou notion of news and at the end of the day, what buzzfeed has done is turn that into a light entertainment package. they send somebody to ukraine to do a serious story but there is value in that. the reality is the majority of the business is going to come from being entertainment-oriented. >> what about major motion pictures? paul, what do you think of buzzfeed doing full-length feature films? >> i don't like it, but mark is much smarter than i am. maybe they have figured something out here. the graveyard of roque and media companies and broken investment is longer than demand. look at the inventions with elevation partners. there are many different attempts to build around entertainment and around content products and particular movies. it is dif

statement saying they were talking with relevant parties about what they say were inaccuracies in "the new york timesey say they will no longer comment publicly on any of this and meanwhile, the "new york daily news" reports tonight that governor cuomo's office hired a, quote, prominent white collar criminal defense lawyer to represent them in this matter. this is the biggest test so far for governor cuomo who not only is running for re-election this year but has plans to go way beyond new york state politics. joining us, blake zeff, salon.com, and columnist with capital new york. you've been all over this story. you know this as well as anyone who's covering it. so let's just start with we had some of the details from that "new york times" story that published last week. it was an amazing story. some of the details here about what was apparently going on whenever this commission got anywhere near the governor's office. this new story today, the big new piece of this is this letter that the u.s. attorney has sent to cuomo and that letter has to do with how cuomo responded to the story that was publis

this morning's new york times details standard juvenile struggles, but chose to describe the teenager as, quote, no angel. that sparked a flood of angry reacts and a hashtag and "the new york times" is guilty of racial standards. it's something they dispute. today, tributes were mixed with calls for justice and pleas bigger to emerge from his death. >> he was not 3/5 of a citizen. he was an american citizen. we will not accept 3/5 justice. we will demand equal justice for michael brown jr. >> the value of this boy's life must be answered by somebody. this is about justice. this is about fairness. and america is going to have to come to terms with there's something wrong, that we have money to give military equipment to police forces, but we don't have money for training and moneying if public education and money to train our children. >> joining me now is harvard law school professor and staff writer for slate. let me start with you. reverend sharpton said -- determined by the fact something went wrong. i look at this case and i wonder, do you think there is a great likelihood that we

don't miss the live report on the ebola epidemics at 4:30 today. >>> the new york times has gone all al board member is here and you are about to hear all about it. >>> the new york times says it is high time to reduce the sale of pot. an honest debate of the health effects of marijuana and came this. evidence is overwhelming that addiction and dependence are minor problems. then moderate uses does not pose a risk. it is a gateway drug. images of murder and rape and suicide. joining me is david firetone. he is on the editorial board. we should distinguish the repeal and legalize. >> we are not saying it should be legal everywhere. states should decide for themselves like colorado and washington. >> the ban remains. people probably see the headlines and don't appreciate the fact that regardless of what some states are doing, there is a federal ban still in effect. >> that's right. 37 states now have liberal laws to some degree. medical use. every one of the statesright. we don't agree with that for everything. we don't agree the states should make up their own minds. >> is not fundamen