it doesn't say this is the truth, this is the way clarence thomas i his life. if you want to understand his recent supreme court rulings it is worth understanding who he is and where he comes from. so he followed the evolution and committed to doing the film and one of the things about justice thomas is he is very stubborn, he agrees to do something, he sticks with anand in spite of temptation maybe to not stick with it he did stick with it and had no editorial control so a lot of trust in the filmmaker and he didn't see it until it was broadcast on pbs. >> you describe him as the greatest supreme court justice of all time. >> i do not consider myself an expert on the supreme court. i'm a documentary filmmaker. i think it is surely true that he is now one of the most -- a strong influence on the supreme court. many people thought thomas gordon of the roberts court but i think he is perhaps the strongest influence at the moment and that is why people should read the book and see the movie and understand him whatever their politics. we really wanted the film to b

is that justice thomas likes to take the longer view? i think that's true. i mean we call them created equal because his life is really based on the way. he sees the declaration of independence those core principles and how they realized in the constitution. you can understand it if you follow his life story. i mean, you know. i think yourself, but maybe not all your listeners now. he's born in pinpoints, georgia a gullah speaking area off the coast of georgia. so english isn't really his first language and in rural poverty his father leaves before he can remember his mother really is raising him when he's about six or seven years old. they moved to savannah and he as he said he went from rural poverty to urban squalor and in savannah his mother's working as a maid. he she doesn't have enough money to give them enough food. they're hungry. they're cold in the winter. she brings them to school and he just leaves school and wanders the streets and after two years she realizes she can't take care of those kids brings them to her father his grandfather to raise

for clarence thomas that cap tip off.t everything and said i didn't want to bee a priest and kicked over the house. it's kicks him out and he continues to be a radical he engages in a walkout. you may remember the story, i do. the next period of his life is working through that and coming va his grandfather's values. and that reaches one of the key momentsra antiwar demonstrationn cambridge, massachusetts. it turns into a. right get swept up in ther riot. liquor from a liquor store ahead of time. got caught up in the mob mentality. i gets back to holy cross in the middle of the night if god will take anger out of my i will change. that's the beginning of his coming back his grandfather and that plays out in law school. in his early years working for attorney general danforth missouri. finally he ends up working for reagan. the fastest journeynd back. it's a complicated story in the book and in the film. once it becomes a public use detected by that media needs saddled with the left and that reaches a peak or a first peekh

many people call it the thomas court.viously really the roberts court, but i think he's perhaps the strongest influence at the moment and that's why it's important for people to see the-- read the book and see the movie and we wanted it to be on pbs because we wanted a broad swath of america to see him and understand him and we wanted that for the book as well. >> one of the themes that came out in the book in the interview, is that justice thomas like to take the long review. >> i think that's true. and i mean, we call this created equal because his life is based on the way he sees the declaration of independence, those core principles and how they're realized in the constitution. and i think you can understand it if you follow his life story. i mean, you know this, i think, with yourself, maybe not all of your listeners. he's born in georgia, a speaking area off the coast of georgia. english isn't the first language. in rural poverty. his father left before he remembers and his mother is raising him. when he's six or se

>> that was the trailer, clarence thomas in his own words, same title as the book. january 2020 at 110 theaters in the covid cut it short and it was broadcast nationally on pbs in may. then released digitally and still available digitally on amazon so viewers can go to the website with a full list on how to watch it and the film was based on a long interview with clarence thomas. i think you can see he looks at the camera and tells his story in his own words so i interviewed him for over 24 hours over a four-month period and jimmy five or six hours. clarence thomas in his own words, 25 hour interview and a two hour film so my co-author, a long-term friend of the thomases to the material put in a book. it's 95% new material that follows the same pattern as the film and tells his life story from the beginning onto today so i think it's an important moment for people to understand just as thomas, where is come from and who he is. >> what was it like convince to sit down for 24 hours? >> it was not easy and it's the longest interview ever v rentedy anyop supreme court j

he did not do this for them. >> as elie points out his wife, clarence thomas' wife, ginni thomas, wasectly involved in trying to overturn the results of joe biden's win. how isn't clarence thomas isn't recusing? >> right, texas the white house chief of staff not some random person. i think not only should justice thomas recuse but i would argue he should resign. lawyers do what lawyers do. justice thomas is not the bad guy in these e-mails and nothing in these e-mails suggests the justice did anything under him. i will say eastman was a clerk of justice thomas', so it is possible, possible he thought he understood justice thomas' thinking even if there was no collusion or playing footsie. the other thing i would add is this. i want to tie what we were talking about before the break with this. president biden spoke about democracy today. this is a case where lawyers were doing lawyer stuff but they were also trying to throw sand in the years of our constitutional republic, of our democratic process. throwing wild legal theories against the wall to see if they can stop the results of a

how is it that clarence thomas isn't recusing? >> texting the white house chief of staff, not some random person. i think this situation, not only should justice thomas recuse, i would actually argue that he maybe should resign. to your point, lawyers do it lawyers to. justice thomas is not the bad guy in these emails. and nothing in these emails suggest he did anything under -- i will say that eastman was a clerk of justice thomas's. so, it is possible that he thought he understood justice thomas is thinking, even if there is no collusion or playing footsie. the only thing i want to add is this, i want to tie together what we are talking about before the break with this. president biden spoke about democracy today. this is a case where lawyers were doing lawyer stuff. but they were also trying to throw sand in the gears of our constitutional republic, of our democratic process, throwing wild legal theories against the wall to see if they could stop the results of a free and fair election. >> worse than wild legal theories. the em

thomas. >> aye. >> motion passes. >> will take a second here. and i'm going to speak for the board and i'm nobody is deserving on this. with the governoror talk with the relaxation of pandemic. the board extend thanks and gratitude to staff who cio and her staff and -- [inaudible] unfortunate and it does change the way we work butt upon point is upon the retirement system has functioned, prospered and except for a few glifrners normal and expected above and beyond expectation of the board members. thank you. i assume you can extend that to the team. >> okay. >> at it time the board will move to a closed session item 4a and a conference with legal council on pending litigation. and now -- go ahead. we ask for a vote to go in closed session. dom we have a vote on that last item. >> we did. >> it is i pending litigation wey need to take a vote to board to invoke the attorney/client privilege and then go to closed session. >> okay. we will take a vote for attorney/client privilege to go in closed session for the litigation discussion. >> so moved. >

so for example, the animosity with thomas hutchinson, they clearly both despise thomas hutchinson. i mean, each of them, you know, think he's the greatest threat to american liberty. and that's before the stamp act. and there's no reason to accuse thomas hutchinson of this or to have such violent hatred him. but john commits that to paper and doesn't. so john seems as if he's the more intemperate of the two my guess is they probably i mean john says we saw eye to eye on this kind of thing so my is that they were probably of about the same temper but that samuel who is can be a charmer theon of restraint shows it less and i would say that in all i think we can agree john adams was a fairly impulsive and impetuous player. one thing that distinguishes adams as a revolution, mary, is that at various junctures he will actually make an extraordinary case for slowing things down or tamping things down. this is a moment to be patient. this is not a moment to resist openly. so he's very canny in that respect. and i would i would say probably more even tempered than was john. to to one is si

we've also seen the rise of american summer lea, a thomas or does it male thomas competed up until sophomore year in college, on the male team. now then after a year offer covert, came back all to swim for the women's team, launching a career and dominating the competition. now, going from ranking and $400.00 place to n. c double 8 national champion. after all this, an outcry from title ex supporters and women athletes international a swimming a federation has ruled to no longer allow trench under participants who didn't begin their hormonal suppressants and transition before the age of 12. we are now joined by carly webb, who is a trench under athlete. welcome, carly, thank you for joining us. and of course we're going to take on the most controversial issues 1st. so 1st i'll talk a little bit about yourself and what for you play, and what have you been able to do to be able to participate in that sport? well, for starters, i've been working journalist for 28 years. i've worked at the local level. i've worked at network levels. i've worked in both print and broadcast, so i've kind of gotten

thomas. >> aye. >> motion passes. >> will take a second here. and i'm going to speak for the board and i'm nobody is deserving on this. with the governoror talk with the relaxation of pandemic. the board extend thanks and gratitude to staff who cio and her staff and -- [inaudible] unfortunate and it does change the way we work butt upon point is upon the retirement system has functioned, prospered and except for a few glifrners normal and expected above and beyond expectation of the board members. thank you. i assume you can extend that to the team. >> okay. >> at it time the board will move to a closed session item 4a and a conference with legal council on pending litigation. and now -- go ahead. we ask for a vote to go in closed session. dom we have a vote on that last item. >> we did. >> it is i pending litigation wey need to take a vote to board to invoke the attorney/client privilege and then go to closed session. >> okay. we will take a vote for attorney/client privilege to go in closed session for the litigation discussion. >> so moved. >

one, but leah thomas has nowhere to hide. really. okay. we're obviously, i would, it was that important. if it was that important, you put your name on it. and in fact, because nobody wants to be labeled, we ran our mo, when they're going into the career world. that we are looking for job, they do not want to be labeled that because they know how bad it can be around them when they're not really friends. oh, they're just don't want a man competing against them. no, no. what you're really saying is you don't want people accountable, i don't know about you, but i am, i will i love the accountability when they're born with and that's the why we're having this question. but you know, it gallop poll, found 2 thirds of adults actually think transgender athlete should play for teens, matching the gender on their birth certificate that gallup not a conservative organization. do you believe that this is a fair ruling to uphold the scientific differences between men and women? or do you also agree on this idea of creating a 3rd level of competition

the public will rightly question whether justice thomas is impartial.t to make a comparison, if any supreme court justice's spouse worked for a company and that company had a chase in front of the supreme court, that justice would surely recuse, even if they never discussed the company or the spouse's work. in fact, justice thomas did recuse himself off a case in the 1990s where his son was a student at the military institute vmi. the fact that vmi was part of a suit, he recused himself. he did the right thing back then but he's not doing the right thing now. >> and sara, tell us how the emails show how trump's lawyers were making false claims in court. >> yeah, this is why we were able to get the emails, why the committee was able to get the emails because there was a judge that showed potentially a crime. what it showed there were trump attorneys that were very worried that donald trump was going to sign on to a statement, as part of a court filing with, for instance, people who said were felons, people who voted they said actually died, and that then

close to him, and who has remained in lifelong close touch with clarence thomas's wife, virginia thomas. there he is, saying that knowing -- as he does, he agrees that klain's promise was their only hope of getting a delay from the supreme court involving the georgia presidential election result. the friends of clarence thomas -- now. clarence thomas would not recuse himself from that case, even though the law requires him to recuse himself from a case in which his space as an active interest. the members of the conspiracy who were friends with clarence thomas -- the conspiracy to overthrow the presidential election, had their eye on the most publicly compromised member of the supreme court in the courts history. i spent last best hope. because they could not use rifles. leading off our discussion tonight is -- kirschner, a former prosecutor and nbc legal analyst, who's been following the oath keepers trial from inside the courtroom. also with us -- moss, national security attorney. i want to begin with immunity. this situation now where cash patel has immunity, has to go back to the gr

they want thomas to do just that little bit.that they could think it's even possible, but that it comes from people who know him so well really raises eyebrows. >> jackie, perception laundering may be all that the supreme court can do. clean up the perception they were part of the plot. it's much worse when you line up thomas' votes on insurrection-related cases that made their way to the supreme court. most notably, he was the only justice to dissent and say the select committee should not have access to any documents. what is your analysis? i want to read more from the reporting on this. what is your analysis of their confidence that thomas would deliver? >> let's be clear, these are votes thomas continues to cast despite tons of calls from democrats on the range of liberal to moderate have asked him to recuse himself from. we also need to be clear that there is no thomas, neither ginni his wife, nor clarence cc'd on the emails. none of the lawyers -- seven or eight in total were on these emails that were released today in a c

>> ridge: i-- it's... >> thomas: come on. you can tell me. is it like, did bill get one of his hacks to pan us or what? >> ridge: it's nothing to do with bill. i...

in harrison in the netherlands, thomas shannon thomas lost his son quinn in the m. h. 17. attack in amsterdam. marie cur. the horn assistant professor of international criminal law at the university of amsterdam and in oxford, samuel romani, and associate fellow at the royal united services institute. welcome to your thank you very much for joining us on inside. sorry, thomas. let me start with you. if i can, your son quinn died in the mh 17 disaster. i know this has been a very difficult time for your family. tell us 1st about how you felt when that verdict was read out in court. do you feel just this has been done? does this bring you any closure i have difficulties in talking about and the closure. this will never be close. but the truth is that yesterday was important to all of this was important to me. to finally hear a judge, an independent church, well respected internationally, that would say what happened, who is responsible and who should be convicted. so yes, it was a great day to finally hear what we know already in the past years. since we have received

ok, let me come back to you thomas. now because some victims, families have suggested that russia's full scale invasion of ukraine. this here may have been, may, could, could have been averted if the international community had pushed back harder against moscow in the years after the mh 17 disaster. do you share that view? what do you think the international community could have done then? yeah, you know, if i do share the feeling certainly through this whole war that we see today, start at 8 years ago and 17 was the one of the big 1st casualties. i'm mr. green. our international leaders from the united states, from farm and europe, have not been able to draw the line for foods and has accepted that he would go further and further further. and even today, i must say, i am i surprised to see what it allows to do in your brain, how many people he is allowed to kill. but that is, that is a very, very difficult political decision on how much we want to be involved. and do we want to have a world war? yes or no? i must say t

they were hoping that clarence thomas, that justice thomas, would be the person who could at least puttification of one of these states and, again, give an opportunity for the delay on january 6th and perhaps open the door for the former president to remain in power. of course, this is an email from kenneth chase, one of the other trump attorneys at the time. and they acknowledged, however, that this was a very small chance that this could succeed. they knew that this was sort of like, you know, their last chance to try to delay things, at least buy time for trump and his legal team as they were trying to persuade obviously some of these states to somehow throw out their election results and keep the former president in power, even though he had lost the election. >> all right, evan perez, thank you very much. and now let's go to the former counsel to house democrats during trump's first impeachment trial. let's just start with the breaking news here that kash patel is set to testify in the mar-a-lago documents case. he has received immunity. so i want to truly to understand the signif

exports talk more about that news in a moment >>> ahead on the show as well, former fed president thomas honig, outlook for fed policy and the economy plus his reaction to the fed minutes released just this afternoon begin with fed minutes full team coverage to break it down steve liesman and mike santoli with the market's reaction and all things global investments joins with his analysis. steve, stars us off. >> thanks. a meeting in which the fed hiked 75 basis points fourth trait time, minutes showed agreement, slow the pace of rate hikes in the future minutes of that november meeting said "substantial slowing in the pace of increase would soon be appropriate. most people believe that means a 50 basis point rate hike comes in december. same time the fed had disafrom time to time how much furtherer to go. minutes said some officials were more concerned about the cumulative rate hikes on the economy. others suggested the fed may have yet more work to do than previously expected because of higher than expected inflation here's market pricing right now for rate hikes what it looks like 81%

clarence thomas. that doesn't make sense in a democracy.mebody who's traed ethics for more than three decades and advised president obama and other public officials on this, he should not have heard that case and he should not be hearing anything relating to january 6th to date. >> norm eisen as always, i appreciate your insights. thanks for joining us. >> thanks, ana. >>> members of the pelosi family soon will see police body cam footage and hear the 911 call from the night paul pelosi was brutally attacked with a hammer. new details about last week's attack on the house speaker's husband are also emerging here. the suspect telling san francisco police he was on a suicide mission. cnn's veronica miracle is following the developments. what are nancy pelosi's family members expected to see and hear and any word on when it could be released to the public? >> reporter: well, ana, we continued to receive more disturbing details. the san francisco police chief yesterday saying that the 911 call was about three minutes long, the pelosi family is

in this case, georgia, it would be justice thomas. there's is geographic logic here. but of course, it says something remarkable about -- eastman's judgment of justice thomas says possible complicity and character that they were the ones trying to tee this up for justice thomas. >> yeah. i think we already know from what those plotters are suggesting, where justice thomas may stand on this. but i also want to suggest, chris, a third possible leg of the stool. you identified two. the vigilantes in the suits. and the suits, the bureaucrats, and the lawyers. but there was a third really crucial pieces of this plot in 2020. that was the elected officials. think about what trump did in 2020. first, he called on state legislators. he tried to -- leaders of the republican congress in michigan, put the screws to them in the oval office. secretaries of state tried to twist brad raffensperger's arm. governors, leaning on governors not to certify joe biden's win. ultimately, members of congress who tried to pressure -- including with the violent mob, that's where the vigilantes

thomas: it is.ht think it would have been a bigger issue and certainly at the time republicans tried to zero in on it and frame democrats as cozying up to this dictator. ultimately i think domestic issues will drive voters today, not foreign policy issues. there are some other big issues happening in the world, of course. the war in ukraine, continued provocations and aggressions by china. i think all of that fades into the backdrop compared to the number one issue. it really does come back to inflation. i think democrats have been in a catch without a campaign over inflation. it is a top issue for voters so it is impossible to escape but democrats have a hard time talking about it because it is viewed as a strike against them. biden has tried to deflect blame on rising prices, covid-19 and supply chain crisis is, putin's war, maybe some justifications in that, but i think ultimately voters will hold the party in power responsible. dani: it is a challenging scenario. quickly, less than a minute, do

it lets you see something-- >> thomas hey, i said enough already. kid's driving me nuts with this thing. >> ridge: so before cell phones, there were just two cans and a string. so much simpler. >> douglas: why? >> thomas: well, it was a long time ago. don't you have homework to do?

there is also the end of it, when they're talking about justice clarence thomas and hoping to issue aderstanding in the emails it might not get upheld by the entire supreme court but they're doing this because they believe a stay before january 6th would allow what to happen? >> well, they seem to be looking for the courts to do things that in their view would give republican legislators in various states more backbone let's say to stand up for trump, even though the election results had not gone his way, and perhaps tried to withdraw their electors, or block or cancel the certification of the votes, so that the january 6th tally would not take place. what's interesting here is that you have eastman coming in and discussing this as a concept, saying that it might only have a one to 5% chance of succeeding in court. but it could be of particular advantage, it's worth remembering, also, katy, that reportedly there are emails out there also showing that eastman had some sort of inside information about a big fight inside the supreme court over some of these election cases. so you do wond

vote yes on 31. [ gentle music ] >> thomas: we did it hope. we wowed the entire fashion world. [ hope chuckling ] >> hope: i don't know about the entire fashion world, but... i'm really proud of us, and so is our son. >> thomas: i know, it's pretty awesome, having your son look at you like you climbed mount everest and swam the english channel in the same day. >> hope: well, i hope he'll always feel that way about us. that we'll never let him down. >> thomas: we won't. >> hope: yeah, it's just... you know, we're not perfect, and try as we might sometimes... i don't know, it's unavoidable. you let down the people you love the most sometimes. >> thomas: okay, um... tell me if i'm wrong here, but if you're talking about

. >> thomas: you're angry. >> ridge: you have no idea how angry i am. >> thomas: what i did was bad. >> ridge: what you did? you called cps and i wanna make sure i'm understanding this, you called cps and changed your voice to sound like brooke. >> thomas: yes, i did and i'm sorry, but that doesn't change how much you love my mom, all right? be oy. >> ridgebelievedn you.thwere aed yodid thyotrot [ thomas sighing ] ♪♪♪

i'm working on a book about thomas mann and a been a couple pieces on thomas mann. gentleman reached out to me very generously offering me his family's first editions of thomas mann novels in german that it traveled with his grandfather from frankfort to zurich in the 1930s, and then to america in exile during the second world war. and the day after i had accepted this gracious offer, they arrived to my apartment. one of the books come he didn't even mention this in his e-mail, was signed i thomas mann. >> cool. >> so yeah, that's a really unique and wonderful experience. >> that's really cool. all right, this is is related to my next question. we now all writers unfortunately can have numerical data about like how our piece is doing. we can, many people have read it and this is that just whether or not we being dragged but just like you get a certain kind of reinforcement when you write that kind of piece that whoever the creatures are born social media, they are the ones want to read this thing. they are not all the readers but they are the ones we can have the mo

and the thomas taylor who supervising the salvage of the ninth of.hat is the other blockade runner who had been run aground. or had direct. thomas taylor is the one that discovered roses volley on the beach. and he and writing about this said a remarkably handsome woman she, was with futures showing much character. rose's body was taken to hospital number four. that was an honor guard station. people came by to view and pay their respects to rise. there was a mass held for her at saint thomas church. and then she was buried at oak cemetery. and in 1888, the ladies memorial association, for record in marble cross that -- so there we have it. we think about rose as a spy, she did that great service before the battle of manassas bowl. ron beauregard day, when he wrote about this years later, mentioned that he had that same information from other sources, so she was not the only source of information which he did help confirm when this move was going to take place. as far as a, spot she was very open about her beliefs and what she did. so she was not as

and they view clarence thomas as the most unlikely person to help them on the supreme court.hat has come up repeatedly in sort of january 6th testimony. john eastman said something very similar to vice president mike pence's chief lawyer, where he said he believes clarence thomas might side with them if they got up to the supreme court. they actually did not gain any traction with the supreme court. there was the one case that dealt with national archives documents, where clarence thomas was the only justice that sided with donald trump about not releasing those documents to the january 6th committee. so, i think the lawyers were right that if they did have the most -- the justice that was most favorable to their arguments, it would be clarence thomas. ultimately, they were not successful. there are some other emails in that batch of which they are worried and raising concerns that what they are doing could be illegal and maybe the subject of prosecution by u.s. attorneys. so, there is a lot of very illuminating emails that came out today from that court case. >> illuminating

in a disturbing concurrence justice thomas made it clear that other constitutional rights are on the chopping block . justice thomas called on his colleagues on the court to double down on dobbs to basically attack the constitutional rights when it comes to birth control, marriage equality and consensual relationships between l. g. b. t. q. people. we've got to stand up to this radical regressive federalist society vision of america and that's exactly what we intend to do this week when we bring respect for marriage to the senate floor. this bill will require the federal government to recognize a marriage between two individuals. if the marriage is valid in the state where it was performed. it would also guarantee that valid marriages between two individuals are given full faith and credit regardless of a couple's sex, race, ethnicity or national origin, millions of americans are facing dark consequences of what it would mean if clarence thomas has his way. congress cannot allow the court to put l.g b. t. q families at risk. i want to thank my colleagues, particularly tammy baldwin,

this raises some questions because of course his wife ginny thomas has come up multiple times. not only did she attend the january 6th stop the steal rally but investigators have uncovered text messages that she was sending then white house chief of staff mark meadows pushing the false claims of election fraud. former trump attorney john eastman has been fighting in court to try to keep the emails from the committee. a federal judge ruled they should be turned over because they are potentially evidence of a crime. in the emails the judge argues there is information for the federal officials to proceed. they are concerned that they or their client could potentially be prosecuted because the former president, he has signed verification in one of these legal cases supporting verifying these legal claims of election fraud. they argue in december. by that point they argued it was, in fact, not true. he signed one of the verifications and submitted it to the court that they believe the u.s. attorney or local prosecutor could eventually go after their client or the lawyers. that is, o

that's a 501c3 founded by mayor thomas and known to locals as jedco. the town has assigned most if not all public business to the nonprofit. jedco pays city workers. it operates 24 section 8 apartments and it operates the till museum. according to public records the public housing funnels about a hundred thousand dollars a year of federal hud money. into the nonprofit with this money the nonprofit maintains the apartments pays city workers and critically. subsidizes the till museum in the most literal way possible. it's the poverty of the townspeople keeping the doors of the museum open. it was built with usda money and it is maintained. with hud money and access to both of these pots hinges on poverty. rather than history when i'm in the state capital of jackson a couple hours south of glendora the staff. at archives and history have cautioned me to treat mayor thomas's claims with a grain of salt from their perspective. what matters is the provability of history? and since it's difficult to prove mayor thomas's claims archives and history has chosen

thomas turner. i think some of them might have gone and killed him if they caught him because of what he did same with andersonville. >> where was robert e. lee from, i forget? >> he was from virginia, a virginian. a west point grad. you know, that remains a point of the scholars discussed today, you know, lee was a great soldier. a hero in the mexican american war. an absolute hero in the mexican american war. the battle of -- to take what is mexico's co-city. so the argument was, lee being a west point grad, an officer, a gentleman, why did he joined the confederacy? li considered himself a virginian in, first and foremost. one thing we need to remember, if you can take a time machine, let's say, and go back to 70 76, meet thomas jefferson and ask him about the country, he was a virginia. that way of looking at it. grant had talked much respect for lee. so did lincoln. the one they did not like was jefferson davis who is said to be more cold blooded than a reptile. davis was a monstrous human bein

thomas, you and hope have really outdone yourselves. >> thomas: i just hope the audience feels that way and doesn't throw me on the chopping block. uh, grandpa, what do you think? >> eric: what, this? it's beautiful. >> ridge: stop messing with it. >> thomas: okay. all right. i'm leaving it alone. can i help with anything? >> zende: nah, don't worry about it. i have it all under control. >> ts:

is thomas me, said it cuz it us come at us. we're very close now to cameras positioned here that allow us to monitor things weekly, smooth. possibly it's quite likely that some bears are wandering around somewhere right now. when them become a sophomore havoc on a sofa, when we began, there were only 30 bears here. oil basil amount or possibly over $300.00 in the area we work and it's the fastest growing population in europe. this is talk with him going through a little, but i could then him with with that is i think that it more so we have vultures. there's also a few wolves, a sized long or so much bye diversity throughout the entire region of a serious about me leave. if the up it's up to coming to involuntary podium. mm hm. okay, it must. how much are holding? based on being up to a tier, we can see a young bear digging into blueberry bushes. august i must be, and here is a female bear with her cubs digging up an until looking for unto larvae to eat both from the last lot of other off of me as but hourly mendacity. yes, d p

thomas turner, the warden, when the war ended he destroyed the papers. we have newspaper accounts, hundreds of newspaper accounts. dozens and dozens of books by prisoners in their. plenty in primary source information. but thomas turner destroyed the war records. we don't know exactly how many died. i would guess probably around a -- [interpreter] thousand. that's extrapolating based on the number of people the -- thomas tierney goes on a run. he is never captured. he joins jewel early, one of lee tougher generals. easter call him a battle man. they raced to texas. they crossed new mexico. thomas turner says, i will never live in the united states if the union is governing. he hates mexico. he goes to cuba, hates that. he got canada, he hates that. europe, he hates everywhere! finally president johnson, after lincoln, starts pardoning senior confederates. he comes back, moved to tennessee and lives that is life in tennessee. under a pseudonym. former soldiers, prisoners, they were always looking for him. he dies peacefully in tennessee. we do not have th