he had, even though he was oil delivery man to justice thomas, a young justice thomas and his brother to catholic schools, which he did from really third grade through 12th grade and believed that was so important, so much so that he never let the boys a day of school. and he said if you are acting, dad or you are dead, i will take you to school for three days to make sure that you actually are. that's how important he thought school was. and the third thing he taught justice, and i'm quoting justice thomas as i recount in the book, is not to be enslaved to the views that others will him, but to find his own views through study and education. and those three things, i think, come back throughout justice thomas's career and shine through. your honor, i have to say, you know, this is a book about the law, and it's a book about justice thomas's, and it's about originalism, but it's exceedingly readable for non-lawyers and everybody that i've seen interview you has raised this point, and i think it's you know, you did a really good job writing on this and the reason why i think it's so re

when thomas jefferson met thomas paine in paris in 1787, he begged him to sit -- [inaudible] jefferson collected portraits of celebrated men, and in 1787 there were few men as celebrated as thomas paine. he wrote "common sense," the 46-page pamphlet that catalyzed the independence movement and overthrew the british monarchies and the colonies. paine agreed to be painted, and jefferson hung the portrait in quite a place, on the walls of monticello, his house in virginia. that was 1787. now fast forward 40 years to 1828. thomas jefferson is dead. his family are selling off his possessions. when the auctioneerens dig out thomas paine's portrait, they find the canvas torn and battered. there are knife holes through his eyes, stab marks in his chest. as if some children in jefferson's family had been allowed to vandalize it. the fate of thomas paine's painting is, i think -- [inaudible] for -- apt metaphor for his own extraordinary life. the man toasted around the world in the 1790s -- 1770s and 1780s as the hero of the american revolution ended his days as a discredited pariah, unceremonio

peter: that was thomas payne impersonator ian ruskin talking about thomas payne's writing style. back to calls. robert in connecticut. good evening. caller: good evening thank you for c-span. you ought to mention there was a one and a half percent rate of tax, what was that assessed on? property. income. what was the tax rate 10 years earlier? and what was the tax rate of other jurisdictions of the british? thank you. peter: richard any answer for the echo richard: just a quick one at the outset historians continue to debate and refine with the rates of taxation were for any colonial jurisdiction and how they changed over time. so i don't think there is actually an agreed-upon consensus rate that every historian would sign off on. at this point. what i can tell you is that taxation via the stamp act was on the commercial use of paper in the american and caribbean and canadian colonies. so think of all of the stuff we buy that is made of paper. folks back then used by a lot of the stuff made out of paper, newspapers, prices went up. we could be talking about a pack of playing card

could that have been thomas payne?uestion to you the legacy of thomas payne in 10 words or less. >> a commitment to republicanism , tooth democracy, transparency, accountability and the rights and liberties of ordinary people. >> if you read common sense please get that message? >> tom crean worked incredibly hard to make sure that you do. because we have been talking about common sense and the first inerrancy was the book that shaped america. we appreciate you being with us. now, the list the library of congress he met with in 2013 is not a cap reactive list. there are 100 books on there. it is not a copper has of list. it is not the best sellers are the best books. you can go to c-span.org/books that shaped america. at the top, you will see viewer input. you can send us a video of what yothink is an important book or books that you want to have included. already we have at least 100 videos posted on their plus the 100 or so that we received. if you want to include your voice in their, here is a selection of some view

for justice thomas it was realityo. as you also write he would leave that life and ultimately be raised by his grandparents. i want to talk a little bit about your perspective on how thea upbringing may have affecd who he is. who he is as a justice. you put your finger on so many important things there. he was born to a single mother. his father deserted him as he himself said. his mom really tried her best. she was making $10 a week. just could not afford to raise him and his brother as much as she wanted to. a grandfatherow son. may be impacting him in multiple ways as i noted in the book. there is nothing you cannot accomplish if you do not put your mind to it. the brother would complain and he would say old man can't is dead. you know how i know, i helped bury him. once they could successfully complete a passage of the bible he would memorize it. justice thomas later uses education meaning emancipation. every penny he had to send justice thomas a young justice thomas and his brother to catholic schools which he did

and because justice thomas has flipped on chevron?he other striking thing about this, and we don't really have the answers, justice thomas 20 years ago was a supporter of chevron, wrote decisions citing it -- expanding it, actually. in the last for years, culminating in 2020, he came out in a written opinion saying, i've changed my mind and chevron is unconstitutional and we should overturn it. it is extremely unusual, special for justice thomas, who has a reputation as being stubbornly independent and unmovable in his views. to be clear, we don't know this is related to his relationship with the kochs but it is something almost never see. i can't think of another example where justice thomas has done a full 180 turn on an issue. amy: leonard leo said in a statement to you to propublica -- "justice thomas attends events all over the country, as do all the justices, and i was privileged to join him. all the necessary due diligence was performed to ensure the justice's attendance at the events was compliant with all ethics requirements.

and we think about the gifts that thomas. i sitting justice leading fund-raiser rubbing the draw of a fund-raiser or billionaires that have business before the court. that business doing harm to many people. that's a trend that we're seeing. i see not which is justice thomas we see with kavanaugh and alabama. we see it with these landmark cases where we have lost the right to abortion care. we have lost affirmative action for black and brown people. we see the erosion of lgbtq lots. there are ties between this and it's why we have to be very serious about taking action and not just talking about this. but helping american people understand that it's not just about the legitimacy of the court it's about the future of our country and our democracy and about our safety. so you are very outspoken or making noise on the show tonight. i've seen some of your social media posts. why are democrats and congress across the border making more noise about the ethical crisis on our supreme court. pence promising more substantive reports. t

thomas attending koch donor summits, a years-long personal relationship, all of this puts thomas in the damning position of having helped a political network that has brought multiple cases before the supreme court, which is what this allyship and dark money scheme boils down to. almost 40 years ago, the case, chevron versus natural resources defense council, directed courts to defer to reasonable federal agency interpretations of ambiguous statutes. it became one of the supreme court's most cited decisions, when that legal scholars lumped in with brown versus board of education, roe v. wade, in terms of significance. the koch network has challenged chevron in the courts. and now, in a case the supreme court will hear this coming term, a landmark pillar of scotus history could be reversed, putting major health, safety, and environmental protections at risk. another rare and curious development about the case is that in 2005, glanced thomas wrote the majority opinion in the case. but then in 2020, he renounced his own earlier decision writing that he determined that the doctors unconstit

thomas family, including thomas' mother's house. the justice adding that he, quote, inadvertently failed to realize that that $133,000 sale was reportable, because, he said, it resulted in a capital loss for him. mary? >> mary: terry moran at the court tonight. terry, thank you. >>> overseas tonight, one of the deadliest fires in south africa's history. at least 74 people, including 12 children, killed overnight in johannesburg when a fire tore through a building where homeless families and squatters were taking shelter from the winter cold. here's abc's james longman. >> reporter: tonight, the raging inferno ripping through this five-story building in johannesburg. people jumping from the building to escape. witnesses say babies were thrown from windows. >> my in-law, she just hit the window to throw the daughter outside. >> reporter: body bags lining the street. 12 children among the more than 70 people killed. firefighters searching through the smoldering rubble for remains. authorities say dozens of people were trapped behind lo

it's got to do with, wait for, clarence thomas. now, what i am about to show you, it may not seem central to understanding our current political moment, but unfortunately, it actually. is take a look at this, this is the photo of the opening ceremony for a festival called bohemian grove and california, one country, a few years back. they are burning an effigy that is meant to represent, quote, worldly cares and concerns, and quote. the annual two-week-long festival was a place where people like erik prince and henry kissinger, who let loose, as propublica put it today. 500 bottle of wine float freely, and members could consume clam shower and chilly, and. it's also all dudes, men only. one republican described as an adult fraternity house. propublica reports today the supreme court justice clarence thomas is a regular. you remember harlan crow? just clarence thomas's body who reportedly paid for him to go on luxury vacations, but him his mom a house while letting him live in it while paying for the private school tuition for his so

is thomas going to have to rob a bank for them to do it?rhaps, and i think that they understand that, of course, clarence thomas should resign, just as donald trump should in his internal shame resigned for reelection. at a certain point, calling on people to do something that they will not do and i have no power to make them do with a little bit you know. i do think at least, the demand for recusal is at least a ask that is the realm of possibility. it's important for -- in which the supreme court could well rule to basically get the governments ability to with the right to a fair regulation, it's a two all regulations, be a nominal gift to exactly the sort of people who make up the brothers koch network. i think it's important that we make it clear that justice thomas business here in this case. >> i guess the problem is, you are right, he is not going to resign if they call him to resign. he would not recuse himself either, which goes to your original point, there is no accountability for these people, fundamental fraud and the system. j

clarence thomas has replaced the welfare queen.ing, so in terms of ethics, it's absolutely easy to be ethical. it's easy because all you have to do is be transparent, and be above board. it's hard to be unethical because you have to engage in deceit, you have to lie, you have to cover up. you break the rules and break the law. the ethical code holds people accountable and is especially important with judges. the supreme court justices are paid by, their salaries are paid by us, taxpayers. it is especially important that we hold them accountable because they are taking our money. that's when the salaries are paid. of course it is important and what this supreme court -- i mean, it's stunning for me to hear a smart person like justice elena kagan say, maybe we should have some rules on ethic. it goes without saying that that should be the case. and for them to now think about maybe we should, in a way it's insulting to those of us who care about the courts, so, yes, justices need to be ethical, need to be transparent, and there needs

thomas.re's never anything that cuts against the revelations. again, hat's off, you guys have done an unbelievable body of reporting, but there's never a denial of the substance, just an effort to recharacterize it. he never denies taking a private jet, he just said i didn't do the dialing. i didn't run the credit cards. how much more is there? >> certainly, he has a notion of who his friends are and what hospitality is, and what it means to try to sell your book at a fund raiser, right? i think it is an astounding thing for a person whose job is to read statutes and interpret them as they were intended to be understood, who then, in applying them to himself, is like oh, no, those words don't mean what they say, right? they mean something else. so i think part of why this is so destabilizing is this is the same clarence thomas. if you have a death row petitioner, and he's very happy to send them, you know, to their death for making tiny, trivial errors. then he simply says, you amended the di

justice thomas was the actual entertainment. to response the questions about the trip, crow called thomas a man of credible integrity, and quote. whom he is never heard discussing pending legal matters with anyone. neither crow nor justice thomas responded to propublica's response to questions about whether the justice reimbursed crow for these trips. somehow, that remarkable reporting about the new justice thomas unethical quandary is just the tip of the iceberg in propublica's reporting. let's go back to in term justice thomas at this bohemian festival. with him in the middle, we recognize that face, that is ken burns, the filmmaker. more importantly, the tall guy on the right is the billionaire conservative megadonor, david koch. you know him as one of the koch brothers. propublica notes that during the annual retreats, they often discussed political strategy with fellow guests. now, we have no idea if the koch talk politics with justice thomas there, but they're schmoozing appears to have led to something arguably worse. eve

can you tell me why clarence thomas is not going to get impeached?single time i hear this guy, every single time we hear about more corruption, i'm singing, i'm backstreet boys, tell me why. why can't this guy just be impeached? why aren't we doing anything about this? >> well, he can't be impeached because there would thought be a supermajority in the senate to do so. but you are exactly right and your intuition is correct. any other justice at any other quote/unquote normal time in history who is associated with this level of questionable activity, this level of skepticism for his impartiality, there would be clarion calls for his resignation, and if no resignation was forthcoming, there would be called for his impeachment. this is not something thurgood marshall could have gotten away with. this is far more than fortis resigned for, yet here we are and there seems to be no check on that which the thomases can be associated with and continue to have justice thomas serve on the supreme court. >> you know, thomas once wrote in 1991 during his confirm

on justice thomas woo. these hit pieces sided experts from the campaign legal center and from casey s. the sandler foundation also gave money that mirabel advisers new venture quotes and earmarked for demand justice. it which as many in this room and no one organization that advocates for court packing by and what has openly and aggressively called for justice thomas's resignation from the court. but the silicone valley community foundation gave money to propublica and citizens for responsibility -- in washington or crew. crew scintillated to justice thomas calling on him to resign. but the marcell foundation also gave money to propublica and a crew. george soros's foundation to promote down today to propublica in the campaign legal center and crew. what so william barr and we -- were foundation is given to propublica, campaign legal center, american constitutional, study alliance for justice and the courts. but actually they foundations found it isn't over popular democracy. both organizations call for sup

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thomas earlier said he was told he didn't have to report everything any way.conservative defenders are calling this, as thomas has, just generosity among friends. >> really only one fact that matters if you cut through the noise. and it's that harlan crow and all of these friends in question had no business before the supreme court, full stop. >> reporter: still, some court watchers say these wealthy donors and thomas share deeply held conservative beliefs. and with public faith in the justices already plummeting, their cozy relationships could be costly to the court's reputation. john? >> all right, tom foreman, thank you very much. perspective now from someone who sat on the federal bench. and unlike the supreme court justices, actually had a formal code of ethics she had to follow. nancy gertner is currently a senior lecturer at harvard law school. you see justice thomas claim he inadvertently omitted a private real estate deal, plane travel and vacations all tied to billionaire harlan crow. do you buy that? >> no, i don't buy it. there is a story in propub

thomas said he didn't realize he had to report the sale because he didn't make a profit from it. scrutiny for his relationships with crow and other wealthy conservatives, who picked up the tab for luxury vacations on private jets and yachts, prompting criticism from democrats that he didn't disclose some financial benefits, even if friends like crow never had business before the court. >> if there is, and i quote, "reasonable cause to believe," that justice thomas willfully failed to file, then it must refer him to the justice department for further investigation. >> reporter: thomas' attorney says those suggestions were ridiculous and motivated by atred for his judicial philosophy. now, justice thomas did not amend his reports to disclose travel like those luxury trips from years past. he has maintained that under the old disclosure rules, it wasn't required. this is the first report, the first year under new rules that made clear justices going forward need to disclose that kind of travel. he says he is following the rules, and that is what he has done in this report. norah? >>

ginni thomas filed paperwork to create her own for profit group.oup, the judicial education project, which was used subsequently by her, was retroactively reactivated to a little bit earlier in the year. and the same amount of money, a similar amount of money that she had made at her first stab at having her nonprofit with leonard's then deposited into the judicial education project. of course, that is the problem, the actual essence of the problem with dark money is that we have no idea what it was used for. there was some irs reporting discrepancies about how much they actually took in, those were flagged to me. i had to do a lot of work going through all of this tedious job of going through all of the irs paperwork. and thank god for the irs experts, including the former commissioner, who really helped me distill it -- >> we are glad you did it. heidi, you reported recently that leonard leo's network of nonprofits, profitable groups is the subject of a washington, d. c. attorney general investigation, looking whether leonard leo enrich himself o

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on thursday, justice clarence thomas filed his 202financial disclosure report. this comes after multiple pro hubblea, which uncoveredom years of undisclosed gifts received by thomas the court changed its disclosure rules in march prior to these pieces many of those gifts came from republican donor harlan crow crow's name appeared multiple times in the latest report, reportedly paying for thomas' travel on three occasions, including to a conservative conference last may. thomas, also noted that he flew on a private jet on that trip due security concerns after the leak of the dobbs decision another pro-publica record revealed that crow had bought property in georgia, originally owned by thomas and his family addressing this in the report, thomas said he did not think he was required to disclose the sale as he lost money on the transaction. a lawyer for thomas said in a statement he is confident that the justice did not willingly make any ethics transgressions justice samuel alito also filed his disclosure report along with thomas on thursday alito similarly came u

for a great low rate, go with the general. >> clarence thomas got caught. the supreme court justice didn't disclose the gifts he received from a billionaire republican megadonor. today he finally responded in detail, and on the record. this is the justices required annual disclosure form just released now after a three month delay. he had to delay to get the papers and order, in the filing, he reveals that his benefactor paid for three trips just last year, including two speaking engagements at crows old parkland state and dallas, and a weeklong vacation to crow's private resort in new york. that, of course, is the same lakeside 100 acre property were thomas has been vacationing nearly every summer for 20 years. joining crow and a gaggle of his powerful right-wing friends. crow even commission this painting, memorializing one of those visits with thomas second from the right and three conservative lawyers. now, thomas also made the unusual decision to include an additional quite defensive statement along with his disclosure form. the statement that he claim

so it has to go to thomas.hat he was talking about -- over 20 years ago to slip in some language about being able to accept honoraria, speaking fees, and other competition. >> i was going to say, we have unanimity here because i'm with you guys. i think clarence thomas also gets the worst of the week, just because of the role that he occupies in our system of governance. and the idea that his, i guess, his lawyer put out that statement, saying oh, he didn't know that this was the way he was supposed to behave? >> those forms are so easy, i followed those forms every year. those forms are so easy. >> trying to claim that it's a form as the reason why you didn't disclose these? they are really trying to get off at a technicality, it's like you didn't check the box, ready to accept any money or gifts. it's like, hey, i didn't see about the specific question so i don't act to disclose. it but also the idea, the idea of can paxton. i bet you he does not know anything about soccer or the world cup. so the idea that h

newly filed financial disclosures set new lights on justice clarence thomas is -- thomas' friendshipith harlan crow. it renewed focus on the supreme court and an ongoing debate about whether justice issue should be held to the same ethics standards as members of congress and those working in the white house. our question for you today, what is your level of trust in the supreme court? what can be done to increase your trust in the high court? democrats, we want you to call in at (202) 748-8000. republicans, your line is (202) 748-8001. independents, call us at (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text message at (202) 748-8003. please include your name and where you live. you can find us on facebook.com/c-span and on x and instagram @cspanwj. let's start off by talking about recent polling by gallup on what members of the public think about the supreme court. the headline of the article says supreme court approval at record low. i want to bring up highlights. it says that 40% of respondents toheool approve of the court handling of its job, 62% of republicans, 17% ofemocrats and 41%

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in november thomas steps away from her role there.ings seem to get even more opaque. take us through what's happening from that moment to the present in terms of the money, what we understand on the money piece, how much money's flowing through these organizations, the dark money funds. >> tens of millions now. look, it started with a small debit to the judicial education project in 2010. the amounts that we lined up were very similar between what she had earned at her non-profit, liberty central, which is about 120 grand a year. those amounts were eventually debited into the judicial education project account. we know she was also paid a similar amount from kellyanne conway because of those leaked documents that the "washington post" had gotten her hands on, their hands on. so what this tells you is basically when they experienced all of this blowback from ginni thomas being the wife of a supreme court justice and trying to start her own political advocacy, that that didn't go away. it just moved under wraps. i talked with folks who

earlier, on november 28th, scofield had sent a message to thomas begging thomas to send pontoon bridges, temporary floating bridges, to help him get his forces across the harbor. the river at franklin, those pontoon had not arrived. they were not there. in fact, the only way to get across the harbor, it was through two old bridges. one of them was a wagon bridge. one of them was a narrow railroad bridge. the wagon bridge had been pretty much demolished. the only thing left, really, were the pilings in the support posts. and the railroad bridge was a railroad bridge. it's only suitable really for foot traffic trying to roll wagons along a railroad bridge would have been disastrous, potentially. so the exhausted unit infantry might have been able get across the harbor by forwarding it. it would have been potentially difficult, but crossing an entire army across with a confederate force nipping at your heels is a very hazardous might even say suicidal proposition. and certainly the 200 or more wagons or more actually wagons that had to be gotten across the river almost immediately would ha

newly filed financial disclosures set new lights on justice clarence thomas is -- thomas' friendshipith harlan crow. it renewed focus on the supreme court and an ongoing debate about whether justice issue should be held to the same ethics standards as members of congress and those working in the white house. our question for you today, what is your level of trust in the supreme court? what can be done to increase your trust in the high court? democrats, we want you to call in at (202) 748-8000. republicans, your line is (202) 748-8001. independents, call us at (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text message at (202) 748-8003. please include your name and where you live. you can find us on facebook.com/c-span and on x and instagram @cspanwj. let's start off by talking about recent polling by gallup on what members of the public think about the supreme court. the headline of the article says supreme court approval at record low. i want to bring up highlights. it says that 40% of respondents toheool approve of the court handling of its job, 62% of republicans, 17% ofemocrats and 41%

according to justice thomas's annual financial disclosure report, crow also funded a trip for thomasnew york, presumably to the same private lakeside resort in the adirondacks that was captured in this now famous painting. looks like a nice place. this is the first time in years that justice thomas has reported receiving any kind of hospitality from his friend crow. this follows changes to disclosure rules and public pressure after a series of bombshell investigative reports from propublica the detailed a lavish trips to thomas and other justices like samuel alito failed to disclose in the past. justice thomas's lawyer defended premier previous emissions, saying, quote there has been no willful ethics transgression, and any prior reporting errors were strictly inadvertent. end quote. this comes as they face supreme court justices faith -- in face of a missing ethics. codes members of the senate think that should change. the senate judiciary committee advanced a bill that would give the supreme court 180 days to adopt and publish a code of conduct. joining us is senator sheldon whiteh

jennie thomas, is also mentioned in justice thomas's disclosure.bank accounts? >> i mean, we don't know much more than what he said in the report, which was that was a section that i mentioned another time, that the word inadvertently appears 16 times in justice thomas's addendum to his report, explaining these changes. and additions. but with a lot of those inadvertently's appeared in that section, talking about those bank accounts. basically, they said, oh, we didn't realize that they were supposed to be in these reports. so here they are. they had increased in their value over time, but we don't know what they, where that money came from. we don't know much more than what thomas told us. >> now, justice samuel alito also disclosed some of the favors he accepted from conservative donors. what can you tell us about what he disclosed? >> i mean, the big thing that i think that justice alito disclosed was the fact that he still owns individual stock in 25 private companies, at least, by my count. those include things like boeing, they include things

and another theme with justice thomas is secrecy. flown on this private jet out to palm springs for this donor event. it's not closer who paid for that. koch brothers said they didn't pay for it. we would know who paid for it, if the justice had put it on the annual disclosure form, as the law requires. so as you mentioned, we reached out to the supreme court and justice thomas for comment. they didn't respond. sometimes they respond after the stories come out. so we'll see. there's a lot of unanswered questions there. >> sometimes they respond after the stories come out. they respond typically, why they don't do it on the front end, i have never gotten my head around. the connection between the koch brothers and their allies care about at the supreme court, that's a really important part of that. especially given the case that's coming up, which is a huge issue for not just the coke network, but conservatives in general. lay that out. >> one thing a lot of people don't understand, their election spending is well known, but they also

clarence thomas's income.e income that we are talking about. >> yes and remember that part of this income is coming, from, for instance leonard leo who has directed payments to her, and who in this story, helped set up her 501c4, which i'm confident she received money from. and he is deeply enmeshed in this whole billionaire influence scheme around the supreme court. so this is not just a question of a woman who has a job, who gets payments, and it's all, you know, independent of anything else. a lot of this money that is undisclosed, but when we do find out where it's coming from, it's coming from that same network of billionaire influencers who are running and managing and help select and are giving instruction to the supreme court. >> well, clarence thomas has said one of his career ambitions was to get really, really rich. it turns out his wife figured out and he figured out through his wife exactly how to do this. senator whitehouse, we have to squeeze in a commercial break here. on the other side of the

thomas has been under intense media scrutiny for his relationships with crow and other wealthy conservatives, who picked up the tab for luxury vacations on private jets and yachts, prompting criticism from democrats that he didn't disclose some financial benefits, even if friends like crow never had business before the court. >> if there is -- and i quote -- reasonable cause to believe, closed quote, that justice thomas willfully failed to file, then it must refer him to the justice department for further investigation. >> reporter: thomas' attorney says those suggestions were ridiculous and motivated by hatred for his judicial philosophy. now, justice thomas did not amend his reports to disclose travel like those luxury trips from years past. he has maintained that under the old disclosure rules, it wasn't required. this is the first report, the first year under new rules that make clear justices going forward need to disclose that kind of travel. he says he's following the rules, and that's what he's done from this report. norah. >> jan crawford, thank you. >>> tonight there are more quest

justice thomas had this long addendum in this disclosure itself.am a skeptical as anyone, the ability to have some real permanent change be implemented after this. but i think what we saw today, was that the pressure is working. that even somebody like justice thomas clearly is not overly concerned with the way that people outside of th court think about him. even he decided that this had to be held out publicly this way with this serious presentation of what and how they were fixing his current and past disclosures. >> all right, chris, thank you so much for joining us i appreciate it. >> thanks stephanie. >> when we come back, from closing gun loopholes, to lowering prescription drug costs, president biden is laying up his 2024 pitch. so, why aren't some democrats getting the matches? to miller, and juanita tolliver when the 11th hour continues. 11th hour continues r hair, ingredients matter. that's why herbal essences is packed with naturally derived plant ingredients you love, and none of the stuff you don't. our sulfate-free collections smell

justice thomas defended, quote, there's been no willful ethics transgression and other prior reportingors were strictly inadvertent, end quote. this comes as the supreme court justices face increased scrutiny of their financial dealings and lack of any enforcement codes. the senate judiciary committee recently advanced a bill that would have among other things give the supreme court 180 days to adopt and publish a code of conduct. joining us now is senator sheldon whitehouse, the author of that bill. good to see you. thank you for joining us this evening. i want to start by going back about a month to something that samuel alito, justice alito, who's been a vocal critic of efforts like people like you in "the wall street journal" said. he said, quote, no provision in the constitution gives them the authority to regulate the supreme court, period. them being you or anybody else who thinks it should be done. he's not wrong on the face of it. there are no words in the constitution that speak about the regulation of the supreme court, but with that logic nobody has a right to regulate anyt