. >> andy king, thomas ruskin, responsible for crisis management for the mayor and the police commissioner. he is now president of the cmp protective and investigative group. it's very good to have you with us. tom we saw that terrible video of what happened there, the police officer put mr. garner in a choke hold. the choke hold is banned by the police department in new york. it's not illegal however. but you know with all this evidence, we've seen, even though all of it has not been released, seeing this video it's difficult to believe is it not that he was not at least indicted on some charge? >> no, not to me. i have been there during these type of arrests. i have seen someone of eric garner's size resist arrest. you see very clearly in this video the way i view it, that the officers are telling him to put his hands behind his back, he is going to be arrested. he is double i the size of any officer there. you are going to see him under arrest. >> but five officers four literally on top of him as he's saying i can't breathe i can't breathe wasn't that an overreaction? >> well at the poi

. >> i'm joined by former nypd detective thomas ruskin. now president of the cmp protective investigative group. also joining us here is alex vitale, contributor to the nation. also author of city of disorder, how the political campaign changed. >> at the crux of this debate seems to be the attitude of the mayor right now as to what is happening to the police department. is the mayor anti-police in your opinion? >> i don't think he's shown support of the police. i don't know what's really in his heart and i don't know what's really in his head. i just know that the police feel that they don't have a mayor who's supporting them from day 1. and he's been very critical of them. he's basically worked against them. and policing in new york city. and they basically feel that when you have a mayor who says the two lieutenants who are assaulted on the brooklyn bridge bon videotape are allegedly assaulted, you don't run with that. >> what do we say about antipolice, if i call and say a swing is broken in the playground, does that make me anti-parks

thomas ruskin and john rafferty join me now. good evening, gentlemen. i'll start with you. what is -- what's your response the this? >> it's horrific and i think it's something that we unfortunately should have seen coming. when you is the mayor and other officials that are not drawing the line in the sand where the cops can protect themselves and enforce laws this was inevitable. >> do you believe it was inevitable? >> it was in the works. when you have the president, the attorney general and the mayor turning against cops, cops are apprehensive to do their job and now the pba coming out tonight and making their statements, cops are now going to protect themselves. >> and their statement is diblasio has blood on his hands. and that, al sharpt season star this justice for all rally. and this was in brooklyn and the shooting is in brooklyn. so where does new york city pd go from here? >> you is to look at what the police department really going to do? they're out there every day sacrificing their lives trying to patrol the streets and make the communities safe. they do it ev

thomas ruskin and john rafferty join me now. good evening, gentlemen. i'll start with you. what is -- what's your response the this? >> it's horrific and i think it's something that we unfortunately should have seen coming. when you is the mayor and other officials that are not drawing the line in the sand where the cops can protect themselves and enforce laws this was inevitable. >> do you believe it was inevitable? >> it was in the works. when you have the president, the attorney general and the mayor turning against cops, cops are apprehensive to do their job and now the pba coming out tonight and making their statements, cops are now going to protect themselves. >> and their statement is diblasio has blood on his hands. and that, al sharpt season star this justice for all rally. and this was in brooklyn and the shooting is in brooklyn. so where does new york city pd go from here? >> you is to look at what the police department really going to do? they're out there every day sacrificing their lives trying to patrol the streets and make the communities safe. they do it ev