but these were the case that first got the attention of thurgood marshall and the naacp and laid the groundwork for brown versus board of education. girls in these cases approached white schools, talked to hostile white principles, turned around did a great job with the press. had endless, meetings with lawyers and if you ever had a meeting with a lawyer you know how long and boring they can be. for young women. my apologies to any lawyers in the room. and they talked about their cases with conviction and concise self-possessed ways. to both the black and white press. the first the white press wanted to know from all the school desegregation plaintiffs, was one thing, do you want to go to school with white students? do you think you will become friends with white students? these were difficult even explosive questions to ask a young person and girls did well with these questions in general. the central question at the heart of the book is, why did girls act as plaintiffs and later as desegregation -- there are two reasons for the first is that girls, disproportionally, believed in th

brings in thurgood marshall. argues several statutes in ou.f the supreme c they need to dismantle jim crow and becomes known as the man who kills jim he crow. dies in 1949, never gets to see the fruition of his efforts, the 54 board -- brown v. board of education. but his protege, that are good marshall, -- thurgood marshall, argues before the supreme court. i think it goes from 9,000 to 63,000 members. many of those members that are -- veterans from world war i, african-american veterans returning to dedicate themselves to equality in that sense. with that in mind it's not just african-american soldiers who are concerned about their civil liberties and civil rights. beginning in 1910 you have a movement of african-americans up into new york cities. before the war roughly 90% of african-americans live in the south and rural areas. ey begin to move to southern locations. to escapthe jim crow south. the warccerates that because, one, you shut down immigration during the war which had been really the lifeblood of industry. plus, you ship off two

civil rights lawyers including thurgood marshall. ends up establishing the ncaa -- naacp.ings he realizes he needs to set the precedent to dismantle jim crow and becomes known as the man who killed jim crow. never gets to see the fruition of his efforts however, his protege, thurgood marshall argues that case in front of the supreme court. it is worth noting that the naacp increases its membership by sixfold. it goes to 63,000 members. many of those members, veterans from world war i, african americans to dedicate themselves to equality in that sense. with that in mind, it is not just african-american soldiers who are concerned about civil beginning in 19 10, you have a movement of african-americans moving to the northern cities. they do begin moving to southern urban locations before that but shifting up to the north for job opportunities but also to escape the affection of the jim crow south. the war accelerates that. first, immigration and shutdown. to millionhip off soldiers to go overseas unfortunately, african-americans, they g

not complying with corporate law rules and we're going demand disclosure of your members, and thurgood marshallakes the case to supreme court, argue that even though the naacp is a corporation it has the right of the freedom of association, right the court reendded in the racetrack case but he says this is a different kind of corporation. we're entitled in this right. the supreme court says, you're right, the naacp gets the right of freedom of association, then that case is used by business corporations to fight other challenges to their operations, and so the end becomes the case that is cited in the -- in supreme court cases expanding the rights of corporations 'the political speech rights of comes. >> you touched on citizen united and i'd like to go the proceed d proceed ural as speck. we believe judges shouldn't reach tout do more than is necessary to decide the case and a number of supreme court nominees hey said that to the senate judiciary committee. would you vow the decisionmaking process of in citizens unite being consistent with the modest role of judging in. >> maybe not. i tell the

i'm cassandra gatica, thurgood marshall high school. yea! [applause] and i'm really excited to be interim president and leading the student advisory council next year and also excited to lead my fellow peers and this coming school year i'm -- i want to touch with women's rights. [applause] >> thank you very much, again. i know that i'm leaving the student advisory council in very, very capable, very good hands. we're sure you will do an amazing job. [applause] >> and that concludes our student delegate report. >> president mendoza-mcdonnell: at this time, i want to offer my colleagues a moment to say something about our student delegates. >> commissioner murase: thank you very much. first of all, i want to welcome the new student leadership, really excited to have your participation. and i want to thank the outgoing chair for most student nights being here until late in the evening, grappling with some challenging issues. once a student delegate, always a student delegate, though you may graduate to becoming a school board member or elected

and 90 at bwi thurgood marshall and we had the humidity today as well.you probably felt it when you stepped tside. it was pretty muggy, and it did get pretty uncomfortable. >>> right w, atno dc, with a lhtig andlo you know, feelin of aik variance there, as far a that tes. butake a look at radar, keeping an eye on ,this we've had a fewt showers have poppeded up down to the southeastern portion near 95 a little bit to thenorth, not too much. a sprinkle or two. but i'm not anticipating this becoming any kind ofin widespre fall at all. in fact, some ofhis moisture will actually develop intoog in the overnight hours. reand your cur temperatures, 77 at dulles, 78 at baltimore, 78 at gaithersburg. we do have a code orange air quality for tomorrow, and that's with all the heat and humidity. so do be careful, if you're in one of the sensitive groups, here ap quick peak what to expect next couple day, thunderstorms by the time we get totuesday. no shortage of sunshine, dry and hot as we start your money. that seven-day forecast coming a little bit later. lindsay?>

she was viewed in many ways as the thurgood marshall of sex equality. >> reporter: she began law schoolere she juggled classes along with motherhood. >> the late 1950s, she was one of nine women in a class of 500. >> reporter: finishing her law degree at columbia in new york city. >> she'd been on "the law review" at harvard, at columbia. tied for first in her class. the big new york city law firms weren't hiring women as lawyers. they were hiring them as secretaries, receptionists. >> she didn't get a single job offer at a major law firm. >> i think a lot of younger women don't really understand what women of ruth bader ginsburg's generation were up against. >> reporter: after a personal appeal by one of her columbia professors, ginsburg was hired by a new york law firm with her husband's steadfast support. >> she was smart enough to marry a feminist. >> absolutely. it wasn't easy to find feminists in the 1950s. >> reporter: after a stint as an appeals court judge in 1993 -- >> i am proud to nominate for associate justice of the supreme court judge ruth bader ginsburg -- >> reporter: t

>> i have spent a large part of my professional career, starting when i was clerking thurgood marshall, attacking discrimination of various kinds. it was always important to me and it is to me to understand two gs. when you exclude a group from decision making, you lose something important. and yet, it's not true that all members of their group see the world the same way. it's a little bit hard to specify exactly what i bring. i bring a life experience that's a little different. one person i worked for said that he wanted me to be his second in command because we disagreed so well. i've always liked that compliment. i think that he valued that i would disagree with him and then we would find a good way to resolve the disagreement. >> that's really refreshing to hear in this day and age, i must say. you join an illustrious but troubled group of new yoattorne of new york state. were you surprised of the domestic abuse charges and drinking and indulging the physical violence he is accused of meting out? >> i was stunned. everybody i have spoken to about this in the office was stunned. we

see another site the bug life is looking to reclaim twenty kilometers down the road at west thurgood marshall if successful it could add an additional seven hectares of protected habitat to the cause it's been a quiet so far with. fire and i went over a few times already so. before the site was abandoned it was a coal fired power station this black substrate is the fly ash which is the byproduct later on in the summer these low nutrient poor quality cereals really favor the wallflowers that. was. really love and take advantage of the untrained eye it looks like so we've had to do a huge amount of work campaigning and raising awareness and we hope this is going to be one of our next big reserves and. you have a lot of resistance when you approach developers and local governments when you want to talk about conservation on sites that could earn a lot of money for them of course because this is prime development land. fortunately in just ten years the hoff with the brownfield will person just to land in the thames gateway or you've been developed so it demonstrates the need for sites such as cou

into the mid 80s dulles and bwi thurgood marshal temperatures coming our way ass once we get into tomorrowlls monday. sixty-eightt manassas, 72 at baltimore, 77 at annapolis and 69 at fredericksburg. take a look ath what'spening. a ridge of high pressure moving out. tonight will be i to 70s. as we get into tomorrow the ridge moves its way out and opens the door for muc more warmer air to move in from the south and some moisture content that means ourue points are going to rise and it's going to get little sticky, humnd uncomfortable as our totemperatures head in the 90s. be prepared theirst day of summer is on thursday officially but it's really hitting us early . we also have a orange air quality alert so i anybodn sensitive groups such as older people, very young children as well as anyone with breathing or heart issues should not spend any length of time outside in this weather. t's just too unhealthily for them. as far as sky cditions are concerned keeping an eye on a littlecefr pie ohio. tt could p for a slight stray or isolated shower or thund storpg popping up. just be aware ofhat.

revolutionary justice thurgood marshall said, it created a new constitution. 14th amendment comes after the 13th amendment. what did the 13th amendment deal? abolish slavery in the constitution. this group of civil war amendments, the 13th, 14th and 15th. the 13th abolished slavery and congress was supposed to be able to enforce it and yet, after you had freed slaves, what was their status under the constitution? they were not slaves. slavery was abolished. slaveryople would say continues today, slavery by another name. i recommend the book by douglas blackmon about that. existed whole who were not slaves but with a citizens -- but where they citizens? no, because that was decided by states and even more horrible was the dred scott decision, for those of you who do not recognize, that is the scott issue that were an brought forward the case known cott.ead scott -- dred s james buchanan was lobbying members of the court to decide the case in a way that he said was forever going to solve the issue of slavery. decision goes far -- we anything we worried would reg

[laughter] it calls to mind what thurgood marshall used to say. when people wanted him to retire. he would say just propping up and keep on going. -- prop me up and keep on going. >> every court rules on aspects of presidential power. this next court in the next couple of terms will rule on intensely personal business conduct and other conduct of a president that will appoint the next justice in a way that is more personal -- talks about more personal behavior than official conduct another president's previous conduct and campaign behavior interacts with his official role. shaping thethat nomination fight in terms of democrats bringing up the conflict of interest issue that is perhaps a little bit more n behavior?a nixonia have you see that shaping the nomination fight in your experience? >> the question for people who might not been able to hear done here is do we think the panel thinks the nomination process is going to be changed in some way by the possibility that whoever appointshe president will be sitting in judgment on questions involving president trump's personal behavio

[laughter] and i think it calls to mind what thurgood marshall used to say.you know, when people wanted him to retire. he would say, just prop me up and keep on going. >> every court rules on aspects of presidential power. this next court in the next couple of terms will rule on very intensely, personal business conduct and other conduct of a president that is going to appoint the next justice, in a way that is more -- that talks about more personal behavior than of official conduct, and how the president's previous personal behavior and conduct and camping behavior, interacts with his official role. do you see that shaping the nomination fight, in terms of democrats bringing up the conflict of interest issue, that is perhaps a bit more different than a nixonian behavior? -- will it beeen a different nomination fight? and also, how do you see that shaping the nomination fight in coverage?ience in >> for people whom another not have been able to hear, do we nominationthe process is going to be changed in some way by the possibility that whoever -- whatever jus

until 1954, when the supreme court heard a case by this smart, wavy-haired brother right here, thurgood marshallcation declared that separate but equal schools are inherently not equal. the court called for desegregation with all deliberate speed. [ cheering ] but black folks got hit with the okeydoke. thanks to deliberate speed, it took 10 years to desegregate just 1% of segregated schools. [ groaning ] but then title iv hit and authorized the federal government to finally say, "integrate, or get zero money from us. a lot of people were not happy about this, but who cares? the supreme court had finally got it right. i wonder what's different about them. over the next few decades, integration rates reached an all-time high. and wouldn't you know it -- national testing scores were also higher than they'd ever been. so since things were going so great, what did we do? [bleep] it up, of course. [ groaning ] in 1991, the supreme court decided their mandatory integration ruling was never meant to be permanent, upending thurgood marshall life's work by one vote. he would retire later that same year. i

message testing racial discriminationnd i wonderful opinion that not coincidentally was written by thurgood marshall, the first african-american justice on the supreme court and well known for having been a lawyer with the naacp it was one of the lawyers who argued brown versus board of education striking down segregation in schools the court said in fact they based it on equal protection principles explicitly and said the first amendment is also involved because the first amendment above all else protects equality in the field of ideas. i have not answered your question yet so should i keep going -- i think that with respect to speech that is hated or controversial or conveys hateful ideas there has never been a strong support for the constitutional protection. here we are very close to skokie, illinois which most people know especially in this part of the country and in 1977 a group of neo-nazis wanted to demonstrate in skokie which had a large jewish population, many were holocaust survivors in the organization i was proud to head, the aclu, despite and i should say because of our commitment to h

up for i have a daughter in transition, currently approaching her third year in transition at thurgood marshall. >> good evening. my name is aleta fisher, and i'm the chierm of the advisory committee, and i -- chairman of the advisory committee, and i'm a parent of three children. first of all, we'd like to thank you very much for hearing us tonight. dr. matthews, president mendoza-mcdonnell, and commissioners, thank you all for your time. we'd like to start with a bit of an overview of special education just as a reminder. i think we've presented this before, but students receiving special education services makeup 12% of sfusd's total population. that's over 7,000 students, and the majority of those students, actually 75% actually receive their services in a general education setting rather than a special day class. so by supporting special education students, we're supporting all students? special education is actually by law a service, not a placement. and the supreme court decided the andrew s. case last march. i'm sure you're all well verse -- endrewf. case last march. i'm sure you're all

airports in the ballpark where they should be. 84 at reagan national. 83 at dulles and 82 at bwi thurgood marshall.ov as we m tomorrow see the temperatures r graduise each and over day. 74egrees now in the district. 67 at baltimore. warm 72 at annapolis. to the south 67 at fredericksburg. 66 at dulles and 64 degrees at 65 at er.this hour. so skies as i said will beri clea out. toni had some clouds it was pretty cloudy for the later part of the afternoon early evening. ridge of high pressureuilding in. that will eventually slide its way off the coast and into the evening. tonight overnight hours see some clouds getting out of the picture. here's l yk atour planner for tomorrow then. by the 8 o'clock hour, 71s. degree it's going to be fairly warm as we sta theday, 84 by midday and 87 t by thee we hit the 4ur o'clock . overnight lows tonight are going to e into the60s. a little cler always to the north northwest as we hitpper s there. still going to be fairly comfortable. as we take a look at those temperatures for tomorrow, you can see that we were really gradually climbing 88 degrees for day tame h

thurgood marshall and one of the geat leaders of the avengers samuel jackson.till today hbcus are a breeding ground for leadership and change. >> it seems that morehouse is churning out more than it's fair share of leaders into the world. >> i you don't know all they have in them and what they're able to do. >> a student walks out you go, that marty king was pretty good. see what happens he will make a good minister. >> he will do good. >> he will do good. >> and that's something else. and nobel prize. >> we hit on this a couple of times already. there is a way a morehouse man dresses and then there is the way i dress. >> i feel like i'm about to buy some life insurance. >> help me attain the style and standard of a morehouse man i'm sitting with david wall rice and his students is this random tuesday wearing. >> normally tuesday and thursday i dress up. it all depends. >> because this -- when gou around a lot of college campuses in the country this is like not -- maybe like semi formal wear orphancy dance. >> there is a stereotype with respect to morehouse man

if people are still looking for that thurgood marshal and on the supreme court, and in this pics the president has, there's not people of color. there's a woman in the top tier in her 40s, but there's a concern about that. and there's also concern by democrats that ruth bader ginsberg, she holds out until the next two years, there's concern about how this court could shift. three to four or even more supreme court picks for a u.s. president who is again by any means necessary trying to support the republican agenda, the american pillars and democrats in the senate are trying to figure out a strategy. they're going to do something tomorrow to figure out a strategy to thwart this. >> you mentioned the mid-terms and talked about what the administration will be seeing as they go out on the road for m mid-terms. the stakes for the mid-terms, though, just got higher, right? is that even possible? >> absolutely, don. it did get higher. and i've been telling people this is the most consequential mid-term election in our lifetime, and yet it just got amped up even more. what also stands out t

for the vision, not only of martin luther king, but of whitney young, john lewis, roy wilkins, thurgood marshall, malcolm x, and others, many of the great leaders who championed civil rights, human rights, and economic justice in the 1960's. we are the inheritors and legatees of that. and we work every day to see how we can push it. today, there has to be a renewed effort to help poor white people, poor black people, poor latinos, working whites, working blacks, and working latinos, that they have more in common when it comes to economic issues than in division with each other. in today's america, culture and race, culture, sometimes as a -- sometimes is just a code word for race, has divided the body politic, which means that something so simple, like raising the minimum wage, or pushing the country toward a living wage, cannot find the light of day here in the congress of the united states. but 20 plus states have said, forget the congress, forget the president, we will do it on our own. so, simple, important things cannot get done because politics, the politics of race, the politics of cultur

general unr president clinton, a man who as a young lawyer clerked for supreme court justices thurgood marshall and anthony kennedy. harry, i'm going to have you on some night to talk only about what that was like. but for this evening and because of time constraints, we must talk about mr. mueller. this seems like it would antagonize and anger and frustrate a prosecutor. isn't part of what mueller has, a federal grand jury, is the element of surprise? you don't know what they're asking other witnesses normally. >> well, but it's just the rules of the game, brian. sure, i guess it can rankle, but everyone understands that it is roe, as betsy woodruff says. and, look, prosecutors understand that defendants should be able to confer and have good defenses with their attorneys. all that this is about is letting defendant a, b, and c be in the room with lawyers x, y, and z, and strategize, share information. yes, it makes it easier for them, but i think it's just taken as a given. it happens so much in cases like this. >> so as a practical matter, does this help the president's attorneys if they lea

over his long career he has interviewed justice thurgood marshall, covered antiwar protests, spent jimmy cart's' presidential christmas in plains, georgia, and gone crabbing and oystering with marilyn waterman but the clink he has way speaker views the beats in philadelphia 1966. gene myer. >> thank you, will. i'm delighted to share the statement with by friends paula and will. one thing perhaps you'll note but the people that will mentioned, they're all well-known people, and -- but the people i write about in "fight for freedom" are not well known today and while undoubtedly you have heard of john brown, i would wager that few of you have heard of per perry anderson shields green, lewis herery and john anthony cop lean, the five many out of 18 that john brown led to harper's prairie in 1859 and i write but these men who are forgotten hidden figures, treat at footnotes and also about the world into which they were born and raid, and of course, their role in the raid, their families their lives, the aftermath, and their descend dentes -- descendents and their legacies which affect news o

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i think of thurgood marshall.hat a terrible time i had trying to balance a budget of $25 every two weeks feeding and housing people. but it was our home, many of us bonded. there are a few of us still around, we have been there. it was an exciting but frightening time because you staired at death every day and you walked and death walked along with you but there was always hope and there were always people who surrounded you to give you a sense of purpose. you tried to prepare, you do role-playing, i personally would put myself in a position mentally where i had just lost my husband and i knew it was coming. i recall a conversation with medgar not too long before assassination and said to him, i can't live without you, i can't make it without and he looked at me and said, you're much stronger than you think you are, you will be okay. today when i visit my former home, i can still see the blood, we needed to get away from that place. our elder son, refused to eat, he would not study, he would not talk. my daughter

she and her 7-year-old son, darwi darwin, were just reunited at bwi thurgood marshall. they were separated when th crossed into arizona last month. they game from guatemala to seek asylum. she was released from custody last week. four days later she still h did note her son, so she sued to find out where he was. the justice department agreed to releaseda in. both will return to texas where their asylum is still being decided. >>> breaking news right now. virginia's two democratic senators are demanding answers following claims of abuse and a juvenile detention facilit where migrant children are being held. >> yeah, we're just getting word of this. zpliefrmts house republicans push back a voteim ogration reform. this comes as there is growing confusion about how families who already have been sfraeparated l be reunited. >>> first lady melania trump made a visit to the border. talking aboutll what she was wearing. we'll explain why and what's holding up that vote in congress coming up at 5:45. >>> a new facility aimed atin ge communities more fit is finally complete in pr

a prime example is justice thurgood marshall.ted to retire under a liberal president but failing health forced him to retire under george h.w. bush. he was replaced by clarence thomas, who was his opposite. and then sandra day o'connor, who was a swing vote on the court. she was planning to retire after president clinton left office. her president was horrified at the prospect of leaving under an al gore presidency. she retired under george w. bush but criticized her replacement sam alito for being too conservative. and then the evolving justices, david sutor and john paul stephens. they shifted to the left and the court shifted right. so they were among the liberal vote. so post departed under president obama allowing him to appoint justices that would maintain their legacy. and then the other side of the spectrum. justice byron white, a democrat appointed by john f. kennedy. but over the years, he moved away from democrats on key issues like abortion and justice white still choice to retire under bill clinton. and ruth bader gi

. >> yeah because he's no thurgood marshal, you're saying. >> exactly. it is a sign of how there's this disconnect between broadly put those in power on the republican side and the way the country is changing. that's why i worry more and more. >> let me give my response. you hear john say that and he sounds a bit like james earl james reading 1984 in such john is such a classy, calm presence that the way he delivers this message would still, if you hear what he's saying, to a lot of people at home watching this would think okay. everything's going to hell, although you put it very artfully. >> i've never been compared to james earl jones. i'm sorry goi i'm going home. i'm calling it a day. >> you say this is a huge deal and affects people's lives and could be ripped away by donald trump next month. >> what the election 2016 represented was the resistance to the games of the civil rights movement movement, of the women rights movement, of the gay rights movemen movements. of the movements that spent the time struggling for full inclusion. this is why the

general under president clinton, a man who as a young lawyer clerked for supreme court justices thurgood marshallny kennedy. harry, i'm going to have you on some night to talk only about what that was like. but for this evening and because of time constraints, we must talk about mr. mueller. this seems like it would antagonind and frustrate a prosecutor. isn't part of what mueller has, a federal grand jury, is the element of surprise? you don't know what they're asking other witnesses normally. >> ll, but it's just the rules of the game, brian. sure, i guess it can rankle, but everyone understands that it is routine, as betsy woodruff says. and, look, prosecutors understand that defendants should be able to confer and have good defenses with their attorneys. all that this is about is letting defendant a, b, and c be in the room with lawyers x, y, and z, and strategize, share information. yes, it makes it easier for them, but i think it's just taken as a given. it happens so much in cases like this. >> so as a pra matter, does this help the president's attorneys if they learn that witness a was as

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conservative institutions and there is this paradox that we hope they turn out to be good -- nine thurgood marshallsd they all just wave the flag and say this is wrong. i could tell you in the next week, we'll get the travel ban decision and we'll figure out very quickly whether the u.s. supreme court is willing to say this is nuts or whether they are willing to say, ah, by the third iteration not so bad and you spit shine the worst off of it and live with it and that is what courts can do. >> they have incredible power and here and there is reason to have faith in them and reason to be realistic. >> afraid so. >> dolly lithwick from slate and always a voice of reason. thank you. >> thank you, much more ahead. stay with us. okay, so... my mom washes the dishes... ...before she puts them in the dishwasher. and if they come out gross... ...she washes them again. so what does the dishwasher do? new cascade platinum lets your dishwasher be the dish washer. these new actionpacs unleash three different cleaning agents that dissolve food, lift it off, and rinse it away the first time. wow! that's clean! an

and there were no announcements from the bench of a justice retiring, bu i did remember that thurgood marshalli d from the court about mid afternoon on the last day of the term, so i was not relaxing yet. nawaz: and not very htrprised, sounds like. >> r >> nawaz: you knew it might come. he was known as a centrist conservafave. is that assessment? and what does that mean? >> i think so, especially on a court that had conservatives that were very staunch conservatives. he hated being called the swing justice. he often said, i just enupd where i end up. he was a conservative, a solid conservative, but he has a libertarian streak, and if you look at his decisions overth years, especially in the mostia controveones that he moved left in terms of a victory there, his jurisprudence is really animated by two things, his strong belief in the dignity of the individual, as well as in the concept of liberty that the 14th amendments due process clause guaranteesish and you see that, i think, most dramatically si the de he wrote, allowing or upholding the right of same-sex couples to marry. >> you mentioned

see another site the bug life is looking to reclaim twenty kilometers down the road at west thurgood marshall if successful it could add an additional seven hectares of protected habitat to the cause it's been a quiet so far with. fire and i went over a few times already so. before the site was abandoned it was a coal fired power station this black substrate is the fly ash which is the byproduct was later on in the summer these low nutrient poor quality cereals really favor the wallflowers that. was. really love and take advantage of the untrained eye it looks like so we've had a huge amount of work campaigning and raising awareness and we hope this is going to be one of our next big reserves and. you have a lot of resistance when you approach developers and local governments when you want to talk about conservation on sites that could earn a lot of money for them of course because this is prime development. fortunately in just ten years the hoff with the brownfield a person just in the thames gateway or you've been developed so it demonstrates the need for sites such as county where and hope

and first of all warren was very uncomfortable with john w davis being at that stag dinner and thurgood marshall was not and the chief attorney for the naacp. eisenhower in warren's view compounded the unethical judgment. by taking warren aside in the 1950s with their cigars and these parents are not so bad. they just don't want their little girls to go to school with black boys, very racist comment. one of warren's biographies didn't say black boys, he said blackbox which is even worse. the question is at the time he said this, when the court was delivering on brown versus board of education was he trying to lobby warren? not so sure but should have known not to engaged in this at all. did he actually say that? nobody was party to that conversation except warren and eisenhower but warren had a reputation being a man of great honesty and integrity. i think he probably said something like that. did have residual feelings of racism even when he was president. he had a lot of 7 white senators as buddies. he didn't have too many black leaders coming to the white house, such as martin luther king and

i mean i remember thurgood marshall wanted to hang on until there was a democratic president and he wasn't able to. do you think anthony kennedy is comfortable with he leaves and this court moves to the right? >> i remember marshall left at exactly this time, right after the term had ended. so i had taken kennedy's opinion in the travel ban case to indicate his discomfort with some of what was hamg. but happening. obviously he is is a life-long republican. he's obviously made the judgment that he is comfortable doing it. i've seen and spoken to him recently. i don't think there are any major health issues. i can only surmise that, yes, perhaps he was -- [ inaudible ] with the pi >> we're going to work on your phone signal there. getting a little tough to hear you. wile we work on that, i'm going to pick it up here again with danny cevallos. talk a little bit about the political backdrop of this. democrats are of course politically still up in arms over the fact of donald trump having that first appointment last year to the court, neil gorsuch. that was the scalia's passing during the 2016

thurgood marshall was a black man on the supreme court. how he really was a decent ballast -- how it really was a decent, balanced court. everybody is thinking doom and gloom just because trump is president, but the united states has gone through these types of turmoil for many years. this is how democracy works. you make adjustments. you have problems. you make adjustments and you correct the problem. , blackdon't understand people in america have been here for 500 years. what we have done as blacks, we the factor oneen many things like racism and money, especially because lacks don't really have any money. i vote as a populist. i vote for whoever i want to vote for. but i still have the republican attitude. everybody refers to lincoln. lincoln did not free the slaves. the slaves had to be freed through a constitutional amendment. being black, i appreciate the different types of people that we've had in the supreme court. they are talking about this young lady who beat this democrat in new york in a puerto rican district. why didn't to sa

abner,e clerks for thurgood marshall, and an early kennedy. and anthony kennedy.agles, he is a winner. cavan, this is a winning theme for the president with his constituency? can they take it beyond his constituency? kevin: that's a great point. the base of the trump political movement is in lockstep with trott been made -- and former mayor giuliani. the question is whether or not independent voters feel the same way. i don't feel that they say they -- they feel the same way. they want to see this come to a natural conclusion. bob mueller is operating on his own timeline. tom: what is the scheduling? the supreme court will have a busy week, a busy month in june. will mr. mueller have a busy weekend month of june? he has not shown his cards in the sense over whether he will wrap this up before november in the midterm elections. ,he congressional committee these are separate investigations on what goes on with bob mueller's investigation, which is the one that matters. the congressional committee investigation matter. they have chosen to politicize this.ighten the b

massachusetts, in a federal court they are fighting the segregation of boston schools, would thurgood marshall case in 1954 say, geez, maybe i was too soon. no. that's the way progress steps along. >> and i think one of the things i don't agree with when people say that trump is wiping away president obama's legacy, you mentioned one way his legacy is lasting, it took a while for obama -- even things like the iran deal, the principle underlying it, the deal that was made, trump can undo it, but look at the ripple effects into north korea, the cuba policy, obamacare which it's turning out to be quite difficult to undo it and people don't want it taken away. he has this sort of really incredible legacy, but even on race, he forced us to confront some things that the backlash to it is even teaching us. >> yeah, i think one of the things that drove people crazy about president obama was he was so sober and rational and strategic and plotting and laying the foundation so that whatever decision is made is something that is as long lasting as possible. i remember the lgbt community was so angry with

thurgood marshall was appointed to that vacancy on the supreme court.residents have historically their choices. one virtue of lifetime tenure is the justices do not have to pay attention unless they want to. host: margaret is calling in on the democratic line. caller: good morning. i am calling because here on eastern long island, you're not being broadcast through cable television -- cablevision. what i call and report it, they say it is your transmission, which i do not believe, because i can watch it streaming, but i cannot watch it through the tv. just so you know. host: we always appreciate people watching is however you can. can we expect any more retirements in office before the next term? guest: no. justices, even if they were inclined to retire, they tend more than one vacancy at a time. we certainly do not expect on. -- one. but we know to expect the unexpected. host: we would like to thank jess bravin for joining us this morning. guest: always great to see you. host: coming up, frank mora will be here to talk with us about central america and

general under president clinton, a man who as a young lawyer clerked for supreme court justices thurgood marshallou on some night to talk only about what that was like. but for this evening and because of time constraints, we must talk about mr. mueller. this seems like it would antagonize and anger and frustrate a prosecutor. isn't part of what mueller has, a federal grand jury, is the element of surprise? you don't know what they're asking other witnesses normally. >> well, but it's just the rules of the game, brian. sure, i guess it can rankle, but everyone understands that it is routine, as betsy woodruff says. and, look, prosecutors understand that defendants should be able to confer and have good defenses with their attorneys. all that this is about is letting defendant a, b, and c be in the room with lawyers x, y, and z, and strategize, share information. yes, it makes it easier for them, but i think it's just taken as a given. it happens so much in cases like this. >> so as a practical matter, does this help the president's attorneys if they learn that witness a was asked questions b, c,

and in the wonderful opinion that not coincidentally was written by thurgood marshall, the first african-american justice on the supreme court, well known for having been a boy with the naacp who was one of the lawyers who argued brown v. board of education striking down racial segregation in public schools. the court said in fact, the court based t decision on equal protection principles explicitly and then said the first amendment is also involved because the first amendment above all else protects the quality in the field of ideas. i haven't answered your question, geoff, , should i go head? okay. i think that with respect to speech that is hated or controversial or that conveys hateful ideas, there has never been strong support for the constitutional protection. here we are very close to skokie, illinois, which most people know especially in this part of the country, in 1977 a group of neo-nazis wanted to demonstrate in skokie which had a large jewish population, any of whom are holocaust survivors, and the organization i was proud to head, the aclu, despite and i should say because of our co