maybe a tiago. tiago is an interesting character because it's the character that has the most words of any character in all of shakespeare. almost every sentence is not i have a pentameter, i am the pentameter and a half. it's very dense, very full language. what is most appealing about playing the role is for as evil as he is, he is so well liked by the audience. >> do all actors in the end quite fancy playing evil? is it just more fun being evil? >> sure. >> it is, isn't it? >> yeah, no, it's a ball. but you always want it to be in context because honestly virtue should win. >> eventually. >> eventually, yes. >> let's take a break and i want to take you back to when the acting all started, then get into the phenomenon of "frasier" there's no other way to describe it. you're a phenomenon, kelsey. [ mujahid ] there was a little bit of trepidation, not quite knowing what the next phase was going to be, you know, because you been, you know, this is what you had been doing. you know, working, working,