that owns tiktok. as you saw from the supreme court opinion today, the concern is the national security implications that china is collecting data on american citizens and that it could be used to to manipulate americans. and so that is basically donald trump's reaction. so it remains to be seen what specifically he's going to do. but he is saying in his first reaction that it's ultimately up to me. but again, this ban goes into effect sunday. and the biden administration, the biden white house officials telling cnn that it's going to leave it up to donald trump. and so what happens between sunday and when trump takes office is a real question, because these companies are worried they're going to be fined by the minute. apparently, if tiktok continues after the ban is put into place. and so there's a lot of open questions right now. >> yeah, this is going to land on donald trump's plate. and on inauguration day, he plans to have the ceo of tiktok with him at the inaugural. so i'm sure they'll have plen

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on tiktok. we will see what happens, but all of these ceos as you watch on monday who will be sitting there at this inauguration all have enormous stakes in what this president might be deciding in the months to come, guys. >> i want to clarify. the president-elect has taken back those things that he said about mark zuckerberg. that is not the latest state of things. it's much more positive. i know that both of them want to be sure that that's not the case that he is sent to jail. i want to point that out because of the people that you mentioned with the best relationships it's now zuckerberg. >> zuckerberg has clearly, you know, done a lot to get himself close to donald trump, but trump said multiple times last year that he thought that zuckerberg should be sent to jail for a long period of time or for life if he meddles in the election using facebook. trump has said he thinks thinks percent steered facebook against him in the past. those things carry enormous weight. as you look to the calculu

to uphold the ban on tiktok.et to go into effect on sunday, as long as the company remains under chinese ownership. our panel is back with us. >> let's start with aaron gilchrist at the white house. >> and, aaron, i understand you have some news about president elect trump. >> we do. we know that this is obviously tiktok is something that president elect trump has applauded in the past. he said that that platform was a key part of him winning the youth vote in the election last november. and we understand from one of his posts on his social media platform that he spoke with chinese president xi jinping earlier today. according to this post, he said that it was a good call, and he also noted a couple of things here. he said that it's his expectation that we will solve many problems together. and then he goes on to say we discussed balancing trade, fentanyl, tiktok and many other subjects, an indication that this is something not only that the incoming administration, this platform is something that it not only wan

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entities, tiktok u.s.s, this is in regulating the period et cetera tate algorithm that tiktok u.s. can use. co was doing everything it could to preserve access to tiktok and the united states and recognition americans enjoy expressing themselves and building community on this site. >> i have a question. justice gorsuch had asked your friends on the other side whether thadministration on january 20 could extend the deadline. what's your position? >> it keys up a statutory interptaon question of whether they can be ension after the time. ford investiture is less. -- the time period for divestiture is lapsed. the court maestro with this decision in the holy frontier case which did recognize the ability can extension after laps likth. >> so it is your position that they could? >> w not wanted in the ground because it n present here and i'm not prepared to take a position on that i want to emphasize my friends have pointed to january 19 or nine days from now as a mome when tiktok might go dark. hoping to profit

tiktok is fun to be on.lications for american policymakers to be more sympathetic to american companies building social media apps. mike: how does this fit into the broader game between washington and beijing when it comes to trade and technology policy? does this become, if the sale goes through, does this become a point of leverage for xi jinping in his dealings with donald trump? sarah: tiktok and the sticky apps are definitely a feather in their cap. china is good at making these apps. it would be surprising if they let bytedance divest. if i were them, that is a strong point of leverage. but president trump is good at negotiating a deal. there are private buyers, as well. what could happen is they could buy the tiktok brand and rebuild the whole infrastructure. it would be a different app but it would still have, presumably, the same social graph that tiktok has but not the source code that makes it so sticky. it raises a question of, where are the american competitors? caroline mentioned snap earlier.

does tiktok take itself dark? like you saw with uber trying to push itself into new locations and stir up the emotions of the users to push it further on lawmakers. or as mandeep singh would say, this isn't going to work anyway. if you have oracle, rather than the law of the land as it stands, they cannot host the website or the app. then the videos are not going to work if the content distribution networks cannot make the video appropriate. it's not going to work. whether or not it is still there as an icon on the app store, apple or google. sonali: the tiktok ceo who we've been talking about has responded in a video message. i will read some of it to you. he says, i want to thank president trump for his commitment to work with us to find a solution that keeps tiktok available in the united states. that is a promising message coming from him. we know that he will be around the president-elect as the inauguration is underway. what does this mean that you already have a foot in the door with this company in the nex

but now his message is getting out to tiktok. so he likes tiktok. like none of this has anything to do whatsoever with any actual national security concern or policy merit, right? just a man of the people giving them what they want. a man of the people who loves how his posts are doing on tiktok, and whose personal wealth is buoyed by a major tiktok investor. and it was invited tiktok ceo to sit in a position of honor on the dais at his inauguration, alongside former presidents and dignitaries. that ceo today. surprise, surprise got on tiktok to kiss the ring. >> on behalf of everyone at tiktok and all our users across the country, i want to thank president trump for his commitment to work with us to find a solution that keeps tiktok available in the united states, so democratic lawmakers, including the president, pursued this ban again against political headwinds purely because they had a genuine good faith set of substantive beliefs about the merits of the policy. >> right. they really did. there's no other reason they were convinced this was a na

a tiktok ban. many make their living on the app. and could face difficulties paying for groceries, rent, or medical care. others may lose contact with a crucial support system leaving them isolated and scared. if you don't believe me, then i encourage my colleagues to view the thousands videos posted by tiktok users over the past few days explaining why tiktok is so important to them. and these testimonials are powerful evidence about tiktok's economic, social, and cultural importance. and i implore my colleagues to listen to these users. now supporters of the tiktok ban will claim that any delay will threaten national security and allow china to supposedly indoctrinate the youth with anti-american views. first, i stand behind no lawmaker here in my commitment to protecting children online. i am the original author of the only federal online protection for children today. the children's online privacy protection act. and i've authored legislation to update and modernize those protections. my childr

tiktok users. nor could they. the platform collects extensive personal information from and about its users. now, justice gorsuch wrote, quote, speaking with and in favor of a foreign adversary is one thing. allowing a foreign adversary to spy on americans is another. now, tiktok had argued that this ban is a violation of the first amendment, as we know, nearly 200 million americans use this app to express themselves. everything from the news to cat videos to the latest dance craze. but the justices appeared skeptical of that argument. and in their decision today, they said, look, this is very specific. we're talking about an app that collects an enormous amount of data for a foreign adversary. so they said that even though first amendment protections are usually given enormous deference here, they're issuing this narrow ruling. so legally, what could happen next? well, it kind of falls to president elect trump if he is able to show that there are serious good faith negotiations underway to sell tiktok, this ban c

whether tiktok u.s. has the ability to alter the algorithm, whether divess feasible, with respect to the algorithm, i think we are simply talking past each other we don't dispute that tiktok u.s. might engage in some functions in the united states to customize the algorithm for u.s. audience, the thing we are worried abouts long before that over in chinahere bite dance is developinghe source code, creating the basic backbone and funiong of the system and is thening out the algorithm for use by the ris subsidiaries in their home country. we areot seeking to regulate any activity, insteadhat congress is doing closeff vulnerability of prc access abro. with respect to theos feasibiliy c divesture my friends have said it would have been impossible to do this within 270 days. at the outset obviously there's no iert impediment to divesting a social media company. we just saw elonusk buy x or twitter in about six months ofr completion and even with respect to this particular company, i thinky friends are not wel

in less than 24 hours. >> it's kind of heartbreaking. >> will tiktok come to an end if tiktok does cease> i think everyone loses. plus. de grammy winning megastar bad bunny sold out residency and why it and his new album dtmf are both love letters to his home. both love letters to his home. >> nightline will be severe crohn's symptoms kept me out of the picture. with skyrizi, feel symptom relief at 4 weeks. many people were in remission at 12 weeks, at 1 year, and even at 3 years. don't use if allergic. serious allergic reactions, increased infections, or lower ability to fight them may occur. before treatment, get checked for infections and tb. tell your doctor about any flu-like symptoms or vaccines. liver problems leading to hospitalization may occur when treated for crohn's. ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ ask your gastroenterologist about skyrizi. been saved. >> good evening. thank you for joining us tonight. one of hollywood's biggest power couples, blake lively and ryan reynolds, hit with a lawsuit from lively's former director. and it ends with us costar justin baldoni. just wee

it is not tiktok. it is not just tiktok or by dance, there are many, many other companies. being hypothesized now is in the aia race, to win the a.i. leadership, a lot of companies, specifically china, they do need a lot of a.i. chips and they need a torrent of data, especially americans' data, especially english data, to train the a.i. so that is another place where data collected on us and typically on everyday people can potentially be used to train a.i. models and put china technology in front. >> ivan, really appreciate the granularity today to help us understand what is taking place. thanks for the time. >> thank you for having me. >> ivan tsarynny. >>> with tiktok 's fate, as you heard, in limbo, americans are searching for alternatives. another number of social media apps are we talked about the big publicly traded names but where else are people turning? >> well, kelly, even ahead of the supreme court ruling, upholding that tiktok ban, we have seen a surge of popularity of the top five apps in the free app store right now. number one for the past week or so was red

i'm not opposed to tiktok. >> jordan: that's right, tiktok helped trump, so now, tiktok is good.y, if you're wondering whether trump won the youth vote by 34 points or 36 points, the answer is, he lost the youth vote by 11 points. [applause] slight discrepancy right there. basically the same thing. so all this is up in the air, but tiktok users are not waiting around to find out how this is going to play out. >> amid fear a tiktok ban could take effect later this week, some americans flocking to chinese apps like red note. >> i'm a tiktok refugee. >> and lemon8. both apps have similarities to tiktok, and lemon8 shares a parent company, byte dance. >> red note is owned and operated by the chinese communist party, and users must agree to adhere to the chinese constitution, practice socialist values, and promote the traditional culture of china. >> jordan: yeah! good job, u.s. government, you told americans they couldn't see china anymore and now they're running off to vegas with it! this has got to be so frustrating for kamala. she just spent a whole election fighting accusations t

tiktok. tiktok. tiktok. tiktok. tiktok. tiktok.iktok. tiktok. kid rock. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: no that's unrelated. [ applause ] we found out today that the ceo of tiktok will be in the front row at trump's inauguration on monday, alongside mark zuckerberg, jeff bezos, and elon musk. so, it might only be down for one day. but if it is, rest assured, that there's an old friend standing by to pick up the slack. >> hi. i'm tom harper, ceo of america online. remember us? we used to send you internet in the mail. so cool. well, we just read an article on http://www.yahoo.com. it says the u.s. government might ban something called tiktok. we have no idea what that is, but we wanted to let all you youngsters out there know that if ticky-took gets band, you're always welcome here on good old aol. [ modem connecting noises ] music to my ears. we have it all. fashion ideas. wow. looking snazzy. chat rooms. those are rooms where you can chat. embroidery patterns for shawls and evening wraps. uncensored beetle bailey comic strips. minute by mi

today on tiktok, the ceo of tiktok was praising the incoming president, you know, i don't want to sayuguration. >> very interesting just seems to be almost a kum ba yah moment going to be occurring between the united states and china when it comes to tiktok and that makes me raise my eyebrow at that. >> bret: yeah. josh, quickly, the confirmation hearings continue today. kristi noem, governor of south dakota, up for homeland security. take a listen. >> is the southern border secure as we find it today? >> senator, no, the southern border is not secure today but in just three days we will have a new president in this country, president donald j. trump, and he will secure our border. >> do you believe in legal vetted immigration and that we need more of it in the united states? >> i do believe we need to follow our legal immigration laws and that it needs to be vetted. we need more resources. >> bret: you know, josh, it seems the more these hearings go on, it becomes clear that republicans are united and probably they could get all of them through. >> yeah. i mean, that was a pretty suc

tiktok can exist. nobody is voting to ban tiktok.re saying is if we are going to have it, it has to be safe for americans. >> it's a really good reminder about the national security concerns which to be fair president trump when he was president raised during his first term in office. the one alerted all of us to the data collection and how it could be possibly used to spy on all of us. manipulate us. justice kavanaugh pointed out so wisely could china possibly be saving this data and blackmail our children? sure. could they possibly use it to corrupt their minds, turn them into spies? why let the country be this much to an adversary. >> bill: trump does not say what his decision will be. >> dana: maybe there will be a business deal that gets done. maybe the deadline actually helps, which is like okay, it is complicated but let's get it done as quickly as possible. >> bill: so he has his own organization, trump media organization under the ticker symbol djt. market cap today is 9 billion. that's only half of what kevin o'leary was sa

tiktok social media influences. tiktok social media influences. possibility of this reprieve and wonder if we could start off with this executive order. what exactly does it mean and what power president have. what exactly does it mean and what power president have. .an . an executive order is it allows the president of united states to congress and implement an order or a directive on pressing issues. it does not mean it is free of judicial review but it meant it allows a president to act quickly and in a decisive manner on a specific issue. when it comes to social media, there has been so much talk about the digital sphere and regulation. are there legal aspects, regulations, rules, that we would not perhaps be aware of that need to be taken into consideration? i aware of that need to be taken into consideration?— into consideration? i think there's a _ into consideration? i think there's a lot _ into consideration? i think there's a lot of _ into consideration? i think there's a lot of fishes. - into consideration? i think. there's a lot of fis

band. -- tiktok ban.ere is an exchange. >> yeah, right. >> would you support if president trump found a way to keep tiktok? >> the best way for tiktok to continue to exist is for it to be sold. the law explicitly allows for it. the problem with tiktok from a national security perspective is not the content of it all people raise concerns and i have my own concerns. why you ban it is it is controlled by beijing. if it were sold or firewalls, that would be fine. -- firewalled, that would be fine. >> what do you think about the ceo being a guest? >> he's not my favorite guest but if he wants to keep his job, i would suggest he sells his company. the president has the authority under the law to delay the sale or the ban by 90 days. i suspect president trump will invoke that authority when he comes into office to allow a sale to go through. that's fine. that's what the law contemplates. host: just under 15 minutes left in this first hour, talking about the supreme court upholding the ban on tiktok, as well as

tiktok users in america are migrating _ jobs. tiktok users in america are migrating to _ jobs. to a _ jobs. tiktok users in america are migrating to a chinese i jobs. tiktok users in america l are migrating to a chinese note app are migrating to a chinese note app called read note with the threat of a band days away. the users call themselves tech not —— tick tock refugees making rednote the most popular app on apple itunes. it has around 300 million monthly users and looks like a combination of instagram and tiktok. bad news for some starbucks customers, the coffee chain will no longer allow people to use its facilities in north america without purchasing something. for years it had allowed people to linger unused toilets even they did not make a purchase. changes, which will take effect from january 27 a part of a strategy to tackle slowing sales. starbucks says there is no change to its policy in the uk with its facilities can be used without a purchase. and before we go a reminder of events in south korea where investigators have arrested the impeached president. mryoon hav

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but they have the most success on tiktok. >> we have over a million people who follow us on tiktok, ander a million unique connections. >> and most people who follow you on tiktok probably aren't following us on youtube or instagram. >> reporter: this post racked up 1.2 million views, compared to more than 300,000 on instagram. ♪ ♪ while the exact formula behind tiktok's success isn't known some social media analysts point to the wider range of content users see, making it easier for creators to be discovered. >> the algorithm is just incredible. >> i can name one candy. >> reporter: alex was a teacher but the couple made enough money from advertising partnerships to become full-time creators. >> we definitely make more than a teacher's salary right now. >> reorter: how much of thatg f? >> 50% or so of our brand deals go through the tiktok app. >> and then also the platform in itself also pays you, and so that would just be income that we wouldn't be getting. >> reporter: under the law tiktok should not be available in any u.s. app store starting on sunday. though users will not be pena

the tiktok ceo thanked trump for working with bytedance to keep tiktok available in the u.s.expected to attend trump's inauguration on monday. our correspondent is joining us. as of sunday, what does this mean for tiktok in the u.s.? >> this means here in the u.s., tiktok could go dark for its 170 million users. this after the supreme court issued this order today. the supreme court had been asked to review this case on an expedited basis and that is exactly what they did, hearing oral arguments and then seven days later we get this decision. they decided the case on a unanimous basis. as you noted this was on national security concerns. all along since tiktok -- they have had two different options at its disposal. one must to sell to a u.s. buyer and the have repeatedly said they will not do that. that leaves the second option, this ban, now due to take effect absent some kind of political resolution. sumi: for users who have tiktok on their phone right now, what does it mean? can they still access the app? how does that look? >> they can access it through sunday. we were li

liz: yeah, on tiktok. [laughter] we've got a lot of tiktok news here. take a look at this. the s&p 500, folks, right above the 6,000 level and trying to stay there right now. the markets are actually having their best week since early november. of there it goes, just one point above the 6,000 level for the s&p. still gaining, a nice move here of 63 points. the major averages looking bright green. oh, like my jacket. i did it. i control the market. all right. yeah, we've got the s&p -- oh, now it's even at 6,000. i'm going to be watching this constantly here. dow jones industrials up about 3.7% for the week. the s&p up 3%. nice move for the nasdaq, up 2.5%, and bless their small and mid cap hearts, you know, earlier the russell 2000 was up 4 on the week. right now it's pared back just a bit but still up 3.7%, but quite a jump there. intel is affecting names that are topping the dow jones industrials like nvidia. intel is soaring at the moment 8.5%. it's at the temperature of the nasdaq and number two on -- top of the nasdaq on news that the semiconductor tech news web site s

also tonight, the supreme court says it will allow tiktok a tiktok ban to go forward. but that is not the final word, especially with tiktok ceo attending monday's inauguration as trump's guest. plus, president biden's last minute flurry of activity from conservation to clemency and a major new announcement about the equal rights amendment. i'm michael steele in for joy reid, and we begin tonight with a look ahead to day one of trump 2.0. the biden administration is in its waning days, and in just three days, donald trump will be inaugurated as the 47th president. although the weather in the nation's capital has put a chill on the pomp and circumstance trump was hoping for, today it was announced that the swearing in will be moved indoors because of expected low temperatures, which means that trump will now take the oath of office from inside the capitol rotunda. the exact location where, just four years ago, a violent mob of trump supporters clashed with capitol police. now, despite the small change, one big thing will stay the same. at the stroke of noon monday, the

band. -- tiktok ban.ere is an exchange. >> yeah, right. >> would you support if president trump found a way to keep tiktok? >> the best way for tiktok to continue to exist is for it to be sold. the law explicitly allows for it. the problem with tiktok from a national security perspective is not the content of it all people raise concerns and i have my own concerns. why you ban it is it is controlled by beijing. if it were sold or firewalls, that would be fine. -- firewalled, that would be fine. >> what do you think about the ceo being a guest? >> he's not my favorite guest but if he wants to keep his job, i would suggest he sells his company. the president has the authority under the law to delay the sale or the ban by 90 days. i suspect president trump will invoke that authority when he comes into office to allow a sale to go through. that's fine. that's what the law contemplates. host: just under 15 minutes left in this first hour, talking about the supreme court upholding the ban on tiktok, as well as

that is integral to tiktok. china will have to have a say in what happens next if that includes a development but that is not what china wants and not what bytedance wants to see. tom: we will see how it unfolds. an interesting twist in the story as we count down to the supreme court decision on the fate of tiktok u.s. annabelle, thank you. they eu is considering expanding its investigation into whether x broke content moderation rules. elon musk's company is accused of failing to tackle illegal content and disinformation. the top digital officer told bloomberg they are looking at whether a livestream conversation between musk and germany's far-right leader gave a political candidate an unfair advantage. >> x, the investigation has been going on for one year so it is quite broad, the scope that the commission is investigating. we are assessing if the scope is large enough. also, when it comes to the upcoming german elections, that we are covering the risks on that. tom: european scrutiny on x and musk continues.

tiktok being one. but one of the most interesting things i'd say, katie, is they have not made this an i like to look at dance videos on tiktok, so keep it open. they have made this a. there are people on tiktok who are earning a living by being on tiktok and marketing their material, or selling t shirts or baked goods, and there are, you know, i so this is not this has become a jobs issue, not a, a entertainment issue. and that has been a smart move by tiktok. and i think a lot of the lobbying effort was pretty shaky at the beginning. they had people going up there saying, i'm worried about my mental health if tiktok gets gets banned. but now they're mostly saying this is something, this is a means by which i make a living. don't take that away from me, brian. yeah, i think that to jake's point there and you kind of touched on this earlier with the concerns over whether or not people who are on tiktok would be more likely to have a favorable view of the chinese government. there's almost this irony in

has the clock struck midnight for tiktok? now that the supreme court has cleared the way to cut off the app for millions, we now have to wait. will trump. what will he decide to and whether he'll decide to enforce the law and beyond the app made for endless scrolling. what do people who have built communities and business empires on that platform do next? then cold snap decision. it's official. frigid temperatures have pushed trump's inauguration indoors. so what exactly will that look like? and bated breath waiting for the israeli government to finalize the ceasefire deal. so once that happens, how soon could the first hostages start coming home? our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, but we begin with msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin on this massive ruling from the supreme court. walk us through the decision today, lisa. >> chris, the decision today from the supreme court was per curiam, which means unanimous from the supreme court. and essentially it breaks down into sort of two main featu

. >> norah: tonight, what's next for tiktok and its 170 million american users? as the supreme court allows a ban of the popular app to move forward. >> just knowing that we are going to lose that chunk of income, how are we going to supplement that? >> norah: donald trump moves his inauguration inside because of frigid temperatures. the near-impossible challenge of finding a place to live for californians who lost everything in the wildfires. >> this is a housing crisis on top of a housing crisis. >> big spark plug off the bench. >> norah: and it's friday, so we go "on the road" with a sports commentator beating the odds. >> just because somebody maybe blind or deaf or whatever disability you want to say, doesn't mean they are not capable of something. >> norah: the "cbs evening news" starts now. ♪ ♪ good evening. i'm norah o'donnell, and thank you for joining us on this friday, as tiktok is just two days away from being banned right here in the u.s. the fate of one of the most popular apps in america could now be in the hands of donald trump after all nine supr

and so the question is, would tiktok be tiktok without its algorithm? and and just like you said, if people are saying we'll just go on a different app, but you're saying it's not the same, so would it be the same then? even if tiktok were to stay without the algorithm, which is most likely, if it does stay? >> exactly. and that's the unknown that, you know, that's it's our business, you know, that we're risking here and it's our livelihood. and, you know, i, i quit my full time job once we started doing well in our business. and this is, like i said, 90% of our sales come from this. and it's it's devastating. quickly. >> what's your alternative right now then? i mean, obviously that's reality. are you going to go on instagram? i mean, what are you going to do? >> i mean, we've tried instagram. >> we are trying instagram. we're trying all the other platforms. but like nothing's working. so you know, the reality might be we might have to shut down our business if this happens on sunday. >> i'm sorry to hear that, paul. and i do wish you the best and hope

he understands that 30 of the tiktok users -- 30 of the tiktok users supported him. 30%.wealth that people make a living from and companies advertise with, and he doesn't want to do anything to disrupt that that. so you find the incoming president, president-elect trump, in a situation that the he's trying to find the perfect balance between the enterprises and congress which is a very difficult spot to find yourself in. stuart: i think it's going to be an intense period of negotiation for the next 36, 48 hours. we don't know how it's going to turn out. >> that's right. stuart: many senator, the prime minister of greenland says his people do not want to be a part of denmark or america. watch this. >> greenland and the future of greenland will be decided by the greenlandic people. and the greenlandic people don't want to be things. the genelandic -- greenlandic people don't want to be americans or danes, they want to be part of the western alliance as the greenlandic people. and if from that we want and have the goal to have more cooperation with our strong partners as usa

the legislation about tiktok was bipartisan. there are concerns on both sides about chinese ownership of the company, and it's going to be pretty hard to prove or to show that there's been any progress on that within the next 24 to 48 hours in terms of changing ownership of the of the us part of tiktok. so tbd. but i think the other kind of political aspect of all of this is president elect trump knows that tiktok is still a popular program in the us, and it's a popular app for a lot of young people. these are voters who were important to him and would continue to be important to his party. so he's aware of the political aspect of this as well. and that's probably also one piece of why he's saying he'll give them a reprieve. >> all right. >> we'll look for that reprieve. >> david, to you, msnbc news is also reporting that isis is planning a major enforcement operation in chicago the day after the inauguration on tuesday, donald trump told kristen welker this morning, quote, we have to get the criminals out of our country. >> and

we start though with tiktok. the company behind the popular social media platform has described reports that it could sell its us operations to elon musk as "pure fiction". there are just five days to go before a new law comes into effect in the us which would force tiktok to either sell its us operations or be banned in the country. in the meantime, american social media users have been migrating to a chinese—made app called rednote, which became the most—downloaded product on apple's us app store on monday. from singapore, our business reporter mariko oi has the latest. it would have been a fascinating twist in this ongoing story, but tiktok has told the bbc that it can't be expected to respond to pure fiction, referring to that bloomberg report which said that chinese officials might be considering selling tiktok to elon musk. meanwhile, some tiktok users in the united states have been migrating to another chinese app called rednote, which looks a bit like a combination of tiktok and instagram. and its popular

i wouldn't just limit it to tiktok. i imagine that conversation, one component of it was about tiktok. and just like you saw from those numbers, those 800 plus million users of tiktok are not all in united states. so the u.s. is only a portion of that market worldwide. separately, fentanyl is a major issue. that's been in debate that president trump has argued needs to be stopped and needs to be controlled on. and then the larger issue of trade and a potential taiwan invasion, which is on everyone's mind. and all of these together, china will be the focal point of foreign policy for the trump administration. they have said as much so far, and i expect this to be the first of many phone calls. what i would note, though, is there's been many, you know, movements back and forth in terms of president trump's negotiations with china on many different issues. so i don't think anything is set, at least not yet, before the administration starts next week. >> but looking ahead, we have tiktok ceo who's expected at trump's inaugu

buy time, who can buy tiktok? the first possibility? one of trump's closest allies, the wall street journal, reports this, quote, chinese officials have internally discussed options, including the possibility of allowing a trusted non-chinese party such as elon musk, to invest in or take control of tiktok's u.s. operations. people familiar with the discussions said. as the world's richest man, musk could easily afford tiktok's price tag, which forbes reports would be in the 40 to $50 billion range. that is how much musk paid for twitter in 2022. last year, musk came out against a tiktok ban. he wrote this quote in my opinion, tiktok should not be banned in the usa, even though such a ban may benefit the x platform. doing so would be contrary to freedom of speech and expression. it is not what america stands for, end quote. musk has not commented on the wall street journal report, and a representative for tiktok owner bytedance told the paper that it was, quote, pure fiction. so could there be another billionaire t

refugees one of the to leave tiktok at all "new york times" reporting tiktok ceo receive invitationommittee to attended monday's inauguration trump reportedly consideration options to save tiktok, refugees. >> great store, one point, for the ref jea as she called herself of tiktok are we supposed to plaef i am no man of censorship are we supposed to believe tiktok and receipt note owned by chinese company are censoring. >> tiktok is owned by bytedance, true a chinese company but tiktok is based all data is stored here in the united states overseen by oracle analysts say there is a distinction between tiktok and red note red note more concerns than tiktok. >> 54% american adults get at least some news from social media according to poll by repudiate research mo attorney general bailey ready to issue consumer protection rule requiring big tech companies disclose grirmz choose third party content moderator, the man i'm sorry mo attorney general andrew by a lethanks so much for being here tell us more. >> this is about protecting consumers from big tech social media platforms monopoliza

who use tiktok are going to go to find the content they loved on tiktok.horts and sometimes on snap. we hosted a panel on this topic earlier this week, we think there will be a supreme court order tomorrow morning, just a short order. our guess is that the majority of the court is going to vote to uphold the law, therefore it goes into effect on the 19th and i don't think tiktok goes dark on that day, the service will degrade over time, it will removed there the app store and upgrades won't be allowed. a bit of a shocking event over the last couple of events, shocking to investors. it's the law of the land and i think the supreme court is going to uphold it. >> it's interesting, because as we know the apples and the googles as the world they'll have to back away from it immediately. people might still be able to use it? >> that's my best guess, i'm not sure. the law was -- this was not -- this was not quick legislation and this wasn't something that didn't -- this legislation had very strong bipartisan support and the arguments that tiktok was making in fr

i'm now a big star on tiktok. we even have tiktok. jack. i have a warm spot in my heart for tiktok because i won youth by 34 points. >> so as you can hear there, brianna, not always on the same page with himself, he is making a reversal from what he used to believe. but one thing as well, i want to point out, is that this ban that is supposed to take effect on sunday is one that received bipartisan approval in congress, and many republicans are china hawks have a hard line position on china. they want this ban to go into effect. so that's something to keep in mind as well. kind of complicating some of this. but as you mentioned, we do know that donald trump spoke with chinese president xi this morning. tiktok came up during that call, donald trump said. ceo to attend donald trump's inauguration on monday. we know that donald trump has been in communication with tiktok ceo shou chew, and that he even came to mar-a-lago to meet with donald trump last month on all of the issues surrounding this. this ban. brianna. >> all right, elena, thank yo

tiktok, i can express myself on tiktok.are worried about china hacking our information -- if they are worried about china hacking our information, they already hacked, they look at everything. we have voice for america. we should not be afraid of free-speech. fox news, that's more dangerous to democracy than any other outlet. and even some people can say msnbc is disinformation. some people can say cnn disinformation. no. i am sorry to say, but i think a peck is the push -- i think aipac is the push behind this, to b what's going onan because we don't hear it on many media. i think it's a great place to express your believes. they can attack us with credit card, using guess, buying groceries. they know everything about us. i am not worried about taking my personal information. everyone knows our personal information right now and that's what i want to say. you should not been tiktok. -- ban tiktok. maria: one of the main arguments from the government yesterday was that this isn't about speech at all, that this is about nati

tiktok, i can express myself on tiktok.are worried about china hacking our information -- if they are worried about china hacking our information, they already hacked, they look at everything. we have voice for america. we should not be afraid of free-speech. fox news, that's more dangerous to democracy than any other outlet. and even some people can say msnbc is disinformation. some people can say cnn disinformation. no. i am sorry to say, but i think a peck is the push -- i think aipac is the push behind this, to b what's going onan because we don't hear it on many media. i think it's a great place to express your believes. they can attack us with credit card, using guess, buying groceries. they know everything about us. i am not worried about taking my personal information. everyone knows our personal information right now and that's what i want to say. you should not been tiktok. -- ban tiktok. maria: one of the main arguments from the government yesterday was that this isn't about speech at all, that this is about nati

ban of tiktok is looming for many tiktok users, there's a new alternative. it's called red note, and there's some irony here. tiktok is facing a ban because of its concerns that it is owned by a chinese company, and that could provide sensitive user information to the chinese government. red note is also owned by a chinese company and is often described as the chinese tiktok users tell us, though they appreciate how easy it is to use. and since most current users speak mandarin, they appreciate how easy it is to add subtitles to the posts. let's bring in our business and tech reporter scott budman. so quick question here. why would people jump to another chinese app? wouldn't they just jump to instagram or something else? yeah, it's funny to me. roger that. they call it the chinese tiktok. that's really what we're talking about here is tiktok's identity. yes, most of them will jump to places like instagram, but a lot of people are saying, hey, we want to try another chinese app. not really aware that that is the one reason that tiktok might go away. and as w

and the 170 million tiktok users who love tiktok? once this law goes into effect on sunday. >> so tiktok originally said that that was the plan. and the reason being, wolf, it's a great pr stunt. >> if you just shut it off, you are able to see what the impact is. >> but two things have happened since that came out. one, the biden administration, to your point, said that they wouldn't enforce the law. so come sunday, the app stores and the technology vendors like oracle, who serves their cloud, they're not going to get necessarily penalized because the biden administration isn't going to enforce the law. so this might motivate tiktok to stay alive. one thing i noticed today, if you go on linkedin, they still have thousands of job posts there. they post jobs yesterday, so it doesn't look like they're quite ready to shut down. and then, of course, trump's national security advisor, incoming national security advisor, signaled yesterday that donald trump wants to keep this alive. and so i think those two events might change the way that

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