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joining me now is tim parlatore, a former lawyer for donald trump, mr. hanks so much for being here tonight. let me just first get your thoughts. how much stock -- i mean, how optimistic are you, i should, say that the judge in this case is going to be receptive to the argument the trump's legal team is making here that it's a denial of due process of this as speedy trial? >> i think that a lot of what you said there was more designed for the viewing public, not necessarily for the judge. really when you look at how federal criminal cases or schedule, to the idea it's going to be a couple of months is just not practical. in order for this case to go that quickly, essentially the defense would have to wave motions, you would have to waive certain defenses. there is a lot of significant issues in this case. we had litigated some pretty significant issues in the grand jury phase, related to privilege, executive privilege, things like that. a lot of those will have to be revisited here. this is a lot of discover they're going to go through. it is cover in thi

and then tim parlatore grabs the mic.hink what he's trying to say is love is beautiful, love endures. >> i think that's is litigation compliment because he's doing better than the defendant. i think what we heard from parlatore is this sort of more warm, polished, almost nothing to see here mood. there's a lot to see here because there's damning evidence, and there's a lot to see here soon because as we've reported today and tonight, the presiding judge who matters told the magistrate get him back here the end of the month and i'm ready to go figure out the trial date. if they raise really good arguments they might get an extra month, a year and a half but we'll see. >> there's another bit where i asked him whether donald trump could and should take the stand. do we have that piece of sound, control room? let's take a listen to that. >> do you think it's a good idea to put donald trump on the stand? >> that will be a decision for them. i'll tell you in my experience i hardly ever want to put my client on the stand no matt

tim parlatore departed from trump's team in may.defending co-conspirator number five, who has been identified as former nypd commissioner bernie kerik. this is an enormous case, mountains of evidence to go through. fani willis proposed starting the trial october 23rd this year. is that even physically possible? >> that is laughable, the idea that you can start a trial that quickly. a rico trial, with this amount of discovery, and, you know, and also a case where you have pretty significant pretrial motions to be litigated. i think that that's -- that may be good for press releases, but i don't think anybody in that courtroom thinking is a real date. >> what would be a reasonable date, do you think? >> so, setting aside the election entirely, this is a case that, you know, rico has a significant amount of discovery to it. it's a complex case. the trial itself will probably take four months-plus to try, i would expect. the average time of that, you take at least two years before you even get to jury selection. i can't possibly see thi

former trump attorney, tim parlatore. tim, i want to start with you.you have the special insight into this, of course. we're learning tonight about what could happen in the next ten days or so, a surrender to fulton county officials, the sheriff says he's gonna have to go to a county jail, basically. what do you expect to happen if you are his attorney? is it something you get over, with or you wait until the last second here. >> i think they're probably gonna want to wait till the last second, just because what we've seen consistently throughout these cases, the game of inches of trying to delay it out a little bit more. so, if they had ten days, and you surrender on the first day, if you're trying to drag the case out past the election, why not take the extra ten days. if it wasn't a case where you had an election, i would take my client in today. but that's a different calculus. >> of course, between today and the very last possible day, which is next friday, there is a presidential debate. another topic just today, on the legal front, we have mark

. >> tim parlatore, thank you, sir, appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> up next, the choreography of thees between civil, criminal and now federal. which one gets priority? plus, what impact this third indictment is going to have and republican voters, will they continue to back trump and nominate him again? inue to backd nominate him again (fan #1) there ya go! that's what i'm talkin' about! (josh allen) is this your plan to watch the game today? (hero fan) uh, yea. i have to watch my neighbors' nfl sunday ticket. (josh allen) it's not your best plan. but you know what is? myplan from verizon. switch now and they'll give you nfl sunday ticket from youtubetv, on them. (hero fan) this plan is amazing! (josh allen) another amazing plan, backing away from here very slowly. (fan #1) that was josh allen. (fan #2) mmhm. (vo) for a limited time get nfl sunday ticket from youtubetv on us. a $449 value. plus, get a free samsung galaxy s23. only on verizon. ♪♪ when you have chronic kidney disease... there are places you'd like to be. like here. and here. not so much here. if you have chronic kidne

tim parlatore's resignation, not donald trump's.ious, this idea that donald trump might go out and his legal team and argue advice of counsel on advice of counsel against these charges, do you expect them to do that and if so, would you be worried about that opening up all that lawyer discovery? >> you know, advice of counsel is a very narrow defense. and, you know, i think they're going to try and go a little bit broader than that to really just attack the underlying criminal intent and, you know, really going into what his knowledge is. the fact he was told there was fraud, whether by attorneys or investigators or by other people, it is a bit broader than just simply on advice of counsel defense the way i see it. of course, this case is kind of interesting because the attorneys that he would assert advice of counsel with are there as his co-defendants. that's a very different situation than you would normally have. >> it is very different. talking about believing fraud and intent and state of mind. there is one note. we mentioned

. >>> with us now, former trump attorney tim parlatore who currently represents bernie kerik. also with us elie honig, who has prosecuted his fair share of cases. and senior political correspondent and trump biographer maggie haberman. elie, i want to start with you. the proposed trial date of january 2nd. realistic or an opening bid? >> it's an opening bid. this is a remarkably aggressive opening bid. sort of wishful thinking on the prosecution's part. if they start this case in january, that would mean according to the prosecutor's request jury selection would start in mid-december that means donald trump's team would have four and a half months to get ready for trial that is close to unheard of in the federal system. this is a broad conspiracy. this charges donald trump, but at least six other co-conspirators involved. covers seven states over two to three months. and just to understand why it's such a short time frame, think of what donald trump's legal team has to do in four and a half months to make this happen. they have to review all the discovery. there is going to be

former trump attorney tim parlatore says prosecutors have an uphill climb, proving trump knew he lostaims of fraud were false? did he know at the time that he'd actually lost the election? >> reporter: the indictment says trump deliberately disregarded the truth, a view shared by former attorney general william barr. >> i have come to believe that he knew well that he had lost the election. >> reporter: sources say trump's lawyers plan to argue that trump's false claims about the election were not criminal and that his efforts were driven by the advice of outside attorneys like sidney powell, rudy giuliani, and john eastman, among others. cbs news has learned that they are likely some of the six alleged co-conspirators cited in the indictment. the judge scheduled the next hearing for august 28th. the special counsel has called for a speedy trial, but sources close to trump's legal team say they will push for a delay, arguing they need time to navigate the many cases facing trump. >> robert costa, thank you. john dickerson is also with us here. all right, john. this is the third crimin

former trump attorney tim parlatore as prosecutors have an uphill climb, proving trump knew he lost. the claims of fraud were falls? did he know at the time he actually lost the election? >> reporter: the indictment that trump deliberately disregarded the truth, if you chaired by former attorney general bill barr. >> i have come to believe he knew well that he had lost the election. >> reporter: sources say trump lawyers plan to argue trump's false claims about the election were not criminal and that his efforts were driven by the advice of outside attorneys, like sidney powell, rudy giuliani, and john eastman, among others. cbs news has learned that they are likely some of the six alleged coconspirators cited in the indictment. the judge scheduled the next hearing for august 28th. the special counsel has called for a speedy trial, but souces close to trump's legal team say they will push for a delay, arguing they need time to navigate the many cases facing trump. >> norah: robert costa, thank you. john dickerson is also with us here. all right, john, this is the third criminal indic

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kerik's attorney tim parlatore saying he doesn't think that rudy giuliani will be indicted. >> not a chance. >> reporter: also trump's lawyers arguing in a new court filing that they shouldn't be restricted from talking publicly about some evidence in the election interference probe. >> the press and the american people in a campaign season have a right to know what the evidence is in this case. >> reporter: while so-called protective orders aren't unusual, prosecutors say that it is especially important in this case because of trump's public statements. and how they could have a chilling effect like this recent social media post that read "if you go after me, i'm coming after you." trump also lashing out specifically at his former vice president who could become a witness at trial. calling him delusional and not a very good person. pence saying that he would testify if asked. >> people can be confident that we'll obey the law, we'll respond to the call of the law if it comes. and we'll just tell the truth. >> reporter: trump even attacking jack smith at a fundraiser in south carolin

let me bring in his attorney, timothy parlatore, who also represented trump in multiple probes. timr time this morning. appreciate it. >> good morning. >> last night we didn't know if giuliani had an attorney in the state of georgia. can you explain your client, bernie kerik's role, why is he going? is he still going with giuliani to georgia today, and if so, why? >> well, look, he worked with rudy giuliani for a long time. he is helping out his friend. this is a new process to rudy giuliani. the georgia state system where they have to go to the sheriff's office and go through the system there. this is not the arraignment. this is not like in new york where you go straight from there to see the judge and d.a. so bernie kerik is helping out his friend with the logistics of how to navigate the sheriff's office. >> rudy giuliani is a former u.s. attorney. he knows how these work. does kerik have particular experience in georgia on this stuff? >> he has a lot of friends, you know, other former law enforcement officials who have been able to give him advice. so he is just helping the may

associates like his long-term friend former nypd commissioner bernie carrick and former trump attorney tim parlatoreformer new york city mayor is still finalizing his representation plans and there is no set plan to surrender at this time. jewel yawpy is said to be struggling to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in mounting legal bills and has appealed to former president trump for a financial lifeline but has yet to receive any assistance. joining us now political reporter for the atlanta journal constitution greg bluestein and also contributor for nbc news. grag, great to see you as always. let's talk about this. former president trump expected to surrender to police in georgia. nbc news is reporting giuliani is having trouble finding a lawyer to represent him. break down the latest for us. >> yeah, and there's a friday noon deadline for all these defendants to report. we expect a flurry today, thursday, and of course before the friday deadline. but for rudy giuliani these legal challenges were really the matter what every other defendant is facing. we've heard from other codefendants they're h

cnn exclusively caught carric and his attorney after the appearance tim parlatore as they were leaving the special counsel's office. and here is what parlatore said tried to happen in that meeting. >> it was mostly about all the efforts in between the election and january 6th of what the giuliani team is doing and really just going through all of the efforts that they took at the time to take all the complaints of fraud, see what they can do to chase him down. >> we begin our coverage tonight with katelyn polantz. she is "outfront" in washington. what more do you know about trump's argument, and what we can expect from the judge there, right? he post, if you go after me, i'm coming after you. >> reporter: there's a couple different things at play here. what we're talking about, what the fight is in court right now. it is over the material that donald trump has no access to at this time, that the justice department has that they've collected in the investigation and will give to him for trial. the justice department, those records, they want to protect all of them. they want to make sur

with us now, former trump attorney tim parlatore, who currently represents another 2020 figure, bernie kerik. also with a, cnn senior legal analyst elie honig, who has prosecutors -- and cnn political analyst and new york times senior political correspondent and trump biographer maggie haberman. elie, i want to start with you. the proposed hot trial date of january 2nd. real estate, or is this like an opening bid? it's like an opening bid. >> this was a remarkably -- sort of wrote wishful thinking on the prosecutions part. i mean, if they start this case in january, that would mean, according to prosecutors request, jury selection would start in mid december. that means donald trump's team would have four and a half months or so to get ready for trial. that is close to unheard of in the federal system. this is a broad conspiracy. this charge is donald trump, but at least six other coconspirators involved. it covers seven states, over 2 to 3 months. and just to understand why it's such a short timeframe. think of what donald trump's legal team has to do in four and a half months to make

i mean from tim parlatore, who we've had on this program as recently as last week, is the lawyer in questionhere, there has not been the public suggestion that bernie kerik is going to be giving, shall we say damning evidence the prosecution. but it sort of sounds like he might. >> that's right, i am not aware of any indicators that bernie kerik's testimony was the sort of discussion that would have gotten rudy giuliani in trouble. but he is a port of course, we could he just knows so much. when it comes to the question of filling in factual gaps, having somebody who was in the room for conversations, having someone who can explain all of the minor characters who played important but perhaps underestimated roles in the machinations that rudy giuliani and sidney powell were involved in, kerik himself provides that valuable insight. he is not indicated, in trump's indictment, as an unindicted coconspirator. but, without a doubt, he was very close, and had detailed knowledge of the activities of rudy giuliani, who of course is one of those unnamed, unindicted coconspirators, in the indictment.

we're also going to talk to sol wisenberg, mike davis and former trump attorney tim parlatore later in show. plus, we will get live reaction from 2024 presidential candidates who made a lot of waives last night vivek ramaswamy. but, first, who won? that's the focus of tonight's angle. >> laura: all right. it's been almost, what? 24 hours since the first and trumpless g.o.p. debate slowly but surely the public is getting to know these candidates. here is the angle handy thumbnail analysis. these two guys are irrelevant. >> i think i took them a little too literally when they said go to milwaukee and break a leg. >> whenever i was in the bush administration, we went down there and met with president vicente fox of mexico. >> every job i had growing up was one where i are took a shower at the end of the day not at the beginning of the day. >> solution is not four more years of donald trump. >> no one ever asked the question what about the crime wave in small towns? >> i said that donald trump was morally disqualified from being president again. >> laura: speaking from 1996 was asa hutchis

much winningest not to talk more about, this former trump attorney tim parlatore. he now represents former and ypg commissioner bernard kerik, who was a pardoned by donald trump when he was president, mr. parlatore, good to see you. as always, you represent bernie kerik. can you give us and me thing, can you bring us up to speed on what role he might be playing when it comes to any of these indictments or cases? >>, as far as the georgia case is concerned, he doesn't really have -- one was kind of tangential -- he has not been given a list of anything from it is attorney's office. but he is very much on involved. he and i did meet with the special counsel's office last week though. and, yeah, he was the briefed on all of the efforts that he and the giuliani team took in d.c. as part of the election investigation. >> did you testify before this grand jury in georgia? >> no, he did not. >> when you say he was interviewed, mr. kerik, by jack smith, was that in front of a grand jury, or with prosecutors? >> it was just with prosecutors and a couple of fbi agents. >> wh