yes, we did timothy mcveigh. this is a 19-year-old. he may have information that we can exchange for his life, but on balance, i think the main reason for not executing him is two-fold. number one, we don't want him to become a role model and somebody who is seen as a martyr. if he goes to an obscure prison somewhere in southern indiana and lives out the rest of his life in miserable obscurity, he's less likely to become a role model than if he's executed after a countdown and i think the other point as an opponent to the death penalty, you know, you can argue if anybody deserves the death penalty, he does. the obverse of that is if he doesn't get the death penalty, then no one deserves the death penalty. i fundamentally disagree with my colleague. i think this society like every european society and virtually every other western society can maintain its moral compass while abolishing the death penalty. that is not how we judge the morality of a society. >> let me go back to william otis. i sort of side with alan here. my concern about

. >> george michael argues that independent terrorists like anders behring, timothy mcveigh, and eric robert rudolph represent a new kind of warfare that will become far more prominent in the 21st century. he also speaks about the recent boston marathon bombings. this 45 minute program starts now on booktv. >> good afternoon. before i begin i want to thank the staff for hosting my lecture this afternoon and i would like to thank all of you for coming out here today. today, i'm going to talk about my most recent book, "lone wolf terror and the rise of leaderless resistance." the face of terrorism has undergone significant change today. there's a notable trend indicating the province of lone wolf attacks by individuals and small cells with little or no connection to large groups. so over the past several years several lone wolf incidents have gained headlines. for instance, in 2009 an antiabortion activist by the name of scott, murdered in physician who performed late-term abortions. then in november, major nidal hasan, a psychiatrist and his army went on a shooting rampage at fort hood

. >> george michael argues that independent terrorists like anders bearing, timothy mcveigh, and eric robert roth -- rudolph represent a new kind of warfare that will become far more prominent in the 21st century. he also speaks about the reason boston marathon bombings. this 45 minute program starts now on book tv. [applause] >> good afternoon. before i begin i would like to think schwartz and the staff at the la blackberry -- library for hosting this afternoon and i would like to thank all of you for coming out its stake. today and going to talk about my most recent book, homegrown terror in the rise of resistance. the price of terrorism is undergoing significant change. notable trend in beating the prevalence of lone wolf attacks by individuals in small cells with little or no connections to larger groups. and so over the past several years several long wolf's incidents have gained headlines. for instance, in 2009 and anti-abortion activist by the name most out reuter murdered a physician who performed late term abortions. in june of that same year a lone gunman, the number of long

i think of timothy mcveigh. which a woman killed her husband, essentially meets that criteria? >> i knew if i kept coming back day after day you would eventually make me answer this question that i was trying to avoid. >> sorry. >> reason i've been trying to avoid it is because i think my answer will be fairly unpopular. i do not think this is a death penalty case. it is a horrific case. and that i think she was death eligible. i think the jury was right to find that this was a cruel case and that was the first stage of the penalty phase. but now the question is, should she be put to death? does she qualify? you mentioned timothy mcveigh where 168 people lost their lives including a number of children in a daycare center there on the first floor of the murrah building. we can think of other cases of terrorists, of people who have committed treason. those are the kinds of people i think we reserve the death penalty for. if we want lesser crimes, serial killers. people who have horrifically murdered children, more

let's bury him next to timothy mcveigh. how many people did he kill? you know, we are not concerned about, you know, where domestic terrorists are buried. so, then, you know, because we have no problem burying timothy mcveigh. >> you make a good point. it's like i read that comment. margaret stevens a 68-year-old retiree, her quote was, he's a muslim. we don't need that here that seems to be their big problem. he is a bad guy. was a bad guy. he is a terrorist. but i am glad they buried him. 866-55-press. do you have a problem? would you have a problem if they had buried him in your city? peter ogburn for bill press. >> this is "the bill press show." [ music ] support the drug war you must be high. cenk uygur: i think the number one thing viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. i think the audience gets that i actually mean it. michael shure: this show is about being up to date so a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i am given to doing anyway. joy behar: you can say anything here. jerry springer: i spent a couple of hours

the book exerted a big influence over timothy mcveigh who carried out the mostly like to terrorism prior to september 11th, that is to say, the oklahoma city bombing. he did not belong to a group, but he did have at least two accomplices. but william pierce wrote a sequel to the turner diaries called hunter, basically a story of a lone wolf right wing assassin. and it is worth mentioning that the radical environmentalist movement has used the leaderless resistance approach as well. a leading figure in the radicalization of the environmentalist movement was edward abbey. he began sawing down billboards in mexico in 1958 demand in the early 70's other groups to follow suit with similar operations. for example, there was a group called the echo raiders who cut down billboards and destroyed newly constructed homes in the area of tustin, ariz., and their exploits became the model for a gang of activists depicted in a book called the monkey wrench gang. that book was written by edward abbey, and that novel is believed to have inspired some environmentalists to seek a more radical vehicle for t

timothy mcveigh richard was the last terrorism suspect. he many believe the dzhokhar tsarnaev of the boston marathon bombing, could be next. could these be inclined the same way state cases are. >> it's not necessarily the severity of the crime that makes something federal versus state. you have to have some sort of national interest or perhaps interstate activities by the defendant, but certainly crimes, you know, stand out and even among those the federal government does not seek the death penalty very much. there are 3,100 people on death row, only about 60 are under the federal death sentence. we've had a thousand 300 had 1300 executions, only three of them have been under federal law. it's rarely used, and we have not had an execution for a long time in the federal system. it's a very selective process. and it does change from administration to administration, of course. >> michael: of course, i would guess that it would. richard quickly before i let you go i want to look at these grabbics. since 1976, 256 executions have taken place

oklahoma city terrorist bomber timot timothy mcveigh's ashes were scattered. for tsarnaev's wid toe, according to her in-law, she's steering clear of burial plans. her attorney says she's still cooperating with the fbi. so sunday, fbi investigators wearing protective suits spent hours back at tsarnaev's home where a law enforcement source says bomb residue had earlier been found on the kitchen sink, table and bathtub. surviving bombing suspect dzhokharle told the fbi the bombs were built in that top floor apartment. and a few hours from now, one of the younger brothers three jailed friends, robel phillipos, will ask a federal judge to set him free on bail pending trial. he's accused of lying to investigators about going to dzhokhar's dorm room. two other students from dagestan are accused of ditching evidence. and phillipos is arguing to the court that these charges have ruined his once bright future. >> and right behind you is a memorial and you actually spent time with one of the victims that got out of the hospital. you can talk to us about that experien ex

the only other time has been used on timothy mcveigh. given the facts i've seen it would be appropriate to use the death pen fault in this case and i hope they would apply it in federal court. >> then there's jodi arias convicted on wednesday of killing her ex-boyfriend her case gripped much of the nation with revelations that arias had stabbed her victims dozens of time, slit his throat, shot him in the head and claimed he was killed by an intruder. jury in case will decide next week whether she should be executed. each one of these cases in cleveland, boston and phoenix explain perfectly why there's broad support for the idea of capital punishment. since the supreme court affirmed the power of states to kill back in 1976 support for the death penalty has polled over 60%. the basic appeal of capital punishment is as old as the book of exodus built not as popular today as it was a generation ago. the fear that drove public opinion back then is rivalled by another emotion doubt. which brings us to the case that should have been a big deal

every ship we've had many terrorist strikes in the united states of people who are not muslim timothy mcveigh is just why. infamous example but many of these were local people who are not muslim so the m. should be to prevent violence who ever is committing it there is a perception that terror grows where there is a lack of education true to a certain extent but there is something that a lot of people don't understand let's put it like like people like anwar are lucky right an american citizen who was killed in a drone strike in yemen graduated from george washington university presumably well read so it's not like he hasn't read into what islam is about and then to stumble on star diet for me majored in philosophy so he probably to some some we dig but why do they find what they find in islam well let me respond to that's a very good question first the assumption that education means a person is compassionate or sensible or clueless or inclusive is not really correct secondly that is coming from islam is equally not correct perhaps the most terrible example in recent history is what the germ

this is exactly the kind of conspiracy mongering that led to timothy mcveigh in oklahoma, for goodness sakes, they had ammunition, concentration camps, black helicopters to come after you, to come after the second amendment. that sort of playing fire means some of these crazy right wing militia types are very much still out there, and these guys don't even see the irony and two republican senators from oklahoma, where that atrocity happened fanning these flames. >> frank rich, "new york magazine" writer at large. can you stay with us for just a moment? we have another story coming up that is exactly on what you are writing on at the moment and i would like to get your take on it. >> be delighted. >> all right. we'll be right back. >>> former south carolina republican governor mark sanford, the day that did more to make the appalachian trail famous than anybody that's hiked it is on his way to congress after winning a special election for the first congressional district seat last night in south carolina. that seat became vacant earlier this year when the guy who previously held it was

the homegrown oklahoma city terrorist timothy mcveigh was cremated after his execution. joining us is a man who's upset that these cemeteries are rejecting tsarnaev's body. i want to read how you described tamerlan tsarnaev recently, quote, i would not be willing to do a funeral for him, this is a person who deliberately killed people, there's no room for him as a muslim. he already left the fold of islam by doing that. in the curan it says, those who will kill innocent people, they will dwell in the hellfire. if you're not willing to do it, why are you upset that others are also not willing to do it? >> thanks for hosting me. i would not put it that i'm upset. but i'm concerned. and you have to distinguish between not giving the person proper rituals and proper burial. i think this person now is in the care of his family and we have to respect their wish. and this is america. i would see leaving the body without burial as an attempt of mutilation. and we don't want to get into that issue. and also suggestion of cremating the body is not something that i would recommend

>> well, no, because timothy mcveigh killed a lot more people than they did, and lee harvey oswald wasn'td. you had jeffrey dahmer and ted bundy who killed more people but again, we don't consider them terrorists. mcveigh, we consider an american terrorist but he's not an islamic person. for some reason or other, that makes it worse. >> under islamic law, a body cannot be cremated because obviously cremation would solve this issue, the urn could be given to a family member but under muslim rites, that's not acceptable, correct? >> not at all. >> so the city of cambridge is saying they don't want the body buried there. the governor is saying it's not a state or federal issue. and if the family can't find a place willing to bury it, what happens then? if it's not a guarantee it will be sent to russia? what are the options? >> then i have another issue, number one. muslims and islamics are not embalmed and refrigeration can only work to a point. i can then go to the board of health and say it's now becoming a public health issue and you have to do something and pass it on to them, if you don

of course timothy mcveigh comes immediately to mind.n this one. so the arbitrariness is what you are pointing to and that's, i'm sure, weighing upon the jury. >> john, i wanted to ask you more about your project, cornell death penalty project. not just because i, too, went to cornell, but because i'm fascinated by it. you say this happened as a result of the closing of some death penalty resource centers. i'm particularly interested in what you guys talked about at one of your symposia on religion and the death penalty. >> well, the cornell death penalty project does a couple different things. we do academic research and also do some appellate representation. but the symposium you talked about, we looked at different ways in which religion influences the imposition of the death penalty and we looked at jurors' beliefs and religious leaves and how that related to their ability or willingness to impose death. we look at arguments which are made, not in capitol cases of how that can skew the jury's decision making and a number of other fac

of people like timothy mcveigh. a really disturbing poll from fairleigh dickinson last week that say 44% of republicans in this country believe we'll need an armed revolution sometime in the next several years to protect our liberties. that has come about, i think, those attitudes come about partly because of resentment to the president. partly resentment that he's there at all. but mostly because the paranoid fantasies have been fed by the nra, by the tea party, and by groups on the far right who have no respect for truth and no respect for common decency. >> angela, final word to you. having seen that individual with an ak-47 jump out of a car and start firing indiscriminately. >> martin, i mean, what we don't know is why he did it. what we do know is he was able to do it in part because we have not been able to pass restrictive measures to ensure that people can be safe in their own communities. all because republicans don't want to give the president a win. is this really worth it? >> tragic. i should say that t

this is exactly the kind of conspiracy mongering that led to timothy mcveigh in oklahoma, for goodness sakes, they had ammunition, concentration camps, black helicopters to come after you, to come after the second amendment. that sort of playing fire means some of these crazy right wing militia types are very much still out there, and these guys don't even see the irony and two republican senators from oklahoma, where that atrocity happened fanning these flames. >> frank rich, new york magazine writer at large. can you stay with us for just a moment? we have another story coming up that is exactly on what you are writing on at the moment and i would like to get your take on it. >> be delighted. >> all right. we'll be right back. all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. it's healthier,

looks at terrorists like timothy mcveigh and a recent boston marathon bombers. visit booktv.org for more on this weekend's television schedule. >> welcome to you on booktv located near the u.s./mexico border on the colorado river this arizona city of about 100,000 has an economy based on the agricultural industry that provides 90% of the lettuce crop, military spending and tourism but also struggles with an unemployment rate of 26%. one of the highest in the country. with the help of our time warner cable partners for the next half-hour we will travel to yuma to meet with local lawyers and members of the literary community to help us understand the culture of the region. we begin our special look at you love with a 1947 publicity stop that had a goal of getting a local air base reopened. .. >> the same thing was happening with the proving ground. it was closing down. and the little town of yuma had about 9,000 population, and that

what is interesting, is klebold and harris referred to timothy mcveigh at oklahoma city, each tryingo outdo the other. >> you heard the young man there in linzie's report, saying i talked to him in the hall way because i thought i should. he seemed to be sort of a loaner. and the other heard a red flag raised and mentioned this. what do you look for? and what should you do? >> every one of these school shootings or bombings are premeditated. the kids tend to talk to other kids, via the net or in person. so, there's a lot of information out among the students about someone who is about to commit an act like this one. so, the key is, communication between school management and the students is critical, so they feel okay to step forward. in this case, i believe one of them called the police. >> as you know in so many of these cases, these are lone wolves that blend right in. with just a few seconds left, tips for all of us? what do we do to spot them? >> they are loners. they will mention things. they'll have inappropriate behavior. they're probably depressed. and they almost exclusivel

the manmade carnage in oklahoma city, that threatened to define this proud american town when timothy mcveighowns have buried scores of neighbors. families buried their children. in 1999 samantha carlson's son ashton was just three weeks old when a tornado destroyed their home in bridge creek and killed him. >> i held my son in my arms and i kissed him on his face and that's my last memory i have of my son. >> reporter: she lost her son, she lost her house, she lost everything, but today she told us she found a way to keep going. >> i knew that it would get better. i knew that -- you know i didn't know how. i didn't have those answers, but i knew it would be okay. >> reporter: today she has three children and a new house, and she's still in oklahoma. >> it's my home. this is oklahoma you know. it's what we do. we get knocked down and we get back up brush ourselves off. it's all i know. it's how we do it. >> reporter: it is a sadly familiar routine. they train for this. they drill for this. and they do it over and over again. but none of that makes this any easier. >> that was our "48 hours'"

home groan oklahoma city terrorist bomber timothy mcveigh's ashes were scattered after his execution.tery. as for tsarnaev's widow, according to her in-law, she's steering clear of burial plans. her attorney says she's still cooperating with the fbi. on sunday fbi investigators wearing protective suits spent hours back at tsarnaev's home where a law enforcement source said bomb residue had earlier been found on the kitchen sink, table and bathtub. surviving bombing suspect dzhokhar told the fbi the bombs were built in that top-floor apartment. and a few hours from now one of the younger brothers' three jailed friends, american student robel phillipos will ask a federal judge to set him free on bail pending trial. he's accused of lying to investigators about going to dzhokhar's dorm room. two other students from kazakhstan are accused of ditchen evidence. back to the funeral director. he said he plans on reaching out to the governor of this state sometime today asking for help. but what kind of help that would be remains unclear. we reached out to the governor's press secretary last ni

timothy mcveigh's ashes were scattered after his execution. where remain as mystery. as for tsarnaev's widow, according to her in-law, she's steering clear of beurial plans. she's still cooperating with the fbi. on sunday, fbi investigators wearing protective suits spent hours back at tsarnaev's home where a law enforcement source says bomb residue had earlier been found on a kitchen sink, table and bathtub. surviving bombing says pesuspec dzhokhar says bombs were built in that apartment. and american student robel phillipos will ask a federal judge to set him free on bail pending trial. he's accused of lie to go investigators about going to dzhokhar's dorm room. two other students from kazakhstan are accused of ditching evidence. and phillipos will argue that he is not a flight risk and he is no threat to public safety here. also he states in these papers that the charge has ruined what he calls his once bright future. if found guilty, he faces up to eight years in prison. >> susan candiotti reporting live from boston. president kennedy's assassin is buried in the da

. >> stephanie: yeah, but he did make the point, timothy mcveigh, jeffrey dahmer -- >> mcveigh was crematedirst two bodies -- >> muslims can't be cremated. >> stephanie: that's what i'm saying burial at sea. they let the one roommate go? >> yeah, he is apparently the guy that has turned and i don't know what they are going to do with the other guys because they really do seem like wane and garth. >> stephanie: yeah. >> it does remain to seem to me to look like a confederacy of dunces -- >> stephanie: yeah, or stoners. >> with lethal consequences. >> stephanie: we will follow all of the events out of boston. >> all right. talk to you next week. >> stephanie: yay amount all right. forty-six minutes after the hour. right back on the "stephanie miller show." >> oh, come on! you have got to admit this is cool! >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the

. >> i was think even timothy mcveigh is buried somewhere. i don't know where. right? >> right. >> i don't think people are making a pilgrimage to his gave. i don't think they will make a pilgrimage to tamerlain's grave it will seems we are big enough to let him, again, in the middle of the night, no ceremony no nothing. just get rid of him. right? >> i think of a lot of politicians that don't deserve a burial. i wouldn't stop them from being buried. no. the guy should be buried properly and leave it go at that. the less we drag it on, the better off everyone will be. >> exactly. thanks, tony for the call we will get back to south carolina. >> get social with bill press. like us at facebook.com/bill press show. this is "the bill press show." we have a big big hour and the iq will go way up. (vo) current tv gets the converstion started weekdays at 9am eastern. >> i'm a slutty bob hope. >> you are. >> the troops love me. (vo) tv and radio talk show host stephanie miller rounds out current's morning news block. >> you're welcome current tv audience for the visual candy. j

oklahoma city happened because of timothy mcveigh. those kinds of things stay in our minds. fact details? the fact that the name was mistaken on the first day, that was horrible for that kid, a problem that really screwed up his life. in terms of long-term impact, no one is going to miss remember it. of course try to get every fact right, but there is much less lasting danger than the fact that when you connect them and draw conclusions between the reasons too soon. there is just one thing to keep an open mind about. you're talking about when we get the journal out, is there an estimate of when they will release those? >> they say the report will be released in june, they say. >> those take a long time. i do not remember. did we ever get everything? we got it the next day. >> it was not all released. >> we had a report from the governor's commission. >> with columbine it took more than seven years. it was a court battle all the way to the supreme court seven plus years later. it could be a long way. i do not think that this point happen here, but we were shocked. even i was

. >> brian: i wonder what happened to timothy mcveigh's body?eath. sorry, i have a frog. >> steve: here, have some bacon. >> gretchen: no, water might help that more. but yeah, i think there is something to be said about what that gentleman just said with regard to the coverage of this. now we know about it. so now people want to know what's going to happen. >> brian: i find it unbelievable. you can not fly him back to chechnya. it will cost too much money. he's already cost us too much. what was good enough for bin laden to toss him overboard, we can't toss him overboard? >> steve: a lot of people suggest just that. i just saw another one, hang him from a flag pole at fenway park. a lot of people are saying, why? why? >> brian: why ruin a good thing. >> gretchen: he's not an american citizen. send him back to his country. we're already paying enough for public defenders. that would be a drop in the bucket. you use them every day, but are you paying too much, from batteries to ink cartridges. the things with the highest markups. >> brian: good n