you saw it in new york and oklahoma city with timothy mcveigh. in this situation they used the actual truck as the weapon itself to mow down the victims, and so it's incredibly difficult, and it's going to start with barriers. way to prevent any type of vehicle such as this one, especially, because it's so large from getting access to the a areas where people are celebrating. >> when you look at this attack, there's a couple of things that make it stand out. you have this one attacker and also the tactic used was different. >> absolutely. in these locations, you have barriers. you tend to have them. but whether you have concrete barriers, metal fencing, or wooden barriers with cop cars nearby, that's what's going to be examined as to what kind of measures they had at this location, because what you now saw is this type of truck as the ability to penetrate through certain barriers, whether it's the chain link fence or wood. they're going to have to evaluate how you protect against these types of attacks. >> and, steve, when you look at the way we

you see the same kind of rationale with timothy mcveigh. right? that is part of the way the narrative's work because you hear as they talk about muslims that they talk about what kind of policies to put in place. >> you go with that story with soft three flags and then to strategizing end that would have looked at the white man but then they backed off to let her live in he told him to kill him. >> in 1946 a white shop order smacked a black woman. you do not lay your hands on somebody's mother. that veteran picked him up and threw him out the plate glass window whites organized to lynch the black man the black veterans were not having it and basically called the race riot after was over 23 were arrested a lot of shooting and killing happened. in caves to defend the black man but he couldn't stay in said he would have touche drive and thurgood marshall as they ever driving of columbia tennessee to look behind there is a cop car they go left the car goes left a speedup then they pull them over you need to come with us. thurgood is like snap. he gets

.>> even if we knockout isis, this type of radicalism, or this type of violence whether it is timothy mcveighr anybody is an idea. we cannot bomb an idea and bomb out racism, or about anything if it is an idea that is floating around out there independent of the borders. >> the best way to describe these radical islamic things is to create economic and political stability in the country in which it is originating, and in many countries it is getting worse. >> this is homegrown out of france and the united states, and we are doing well economically. i was looking at the new york times yesterday, and in france, the prime minister said something that people could find disturbing saying that the times of change and that france will have to get used to terrorism. we will have to get used to this.>> we will have to come together, france, the united states and other native allies, and some that we don't necessarily talk with like russia and those that have an interest in making sure that isis is not ruling the neighborhoods. we have to come together and to say despite all of our conflicts that we ha

the debate was to have the death penalty for the timothy mcveigh, that's who were to have the death penalty for but if you look at who's on death row, first of all you see tremendous racial disparity. african-americans are the victims of of well over 50% on death row. many of those are kids who went in to a 711 and tried to hold it up and 70 was killed. that's terrible. you gotta lock those people up but those are not death penalty cases. those are not the worst of the worst of the most heinous crimes that are being committed. most of the people and now, i just heard the other day we both have clients who are profoundly mentally ill and i mean pro finally like out of touch reality, you can't carry a conversation, these people are not going to take the plea when they can have it because they can't make decisions and they can't make judgments because they're so intellectually limited and i have a client whose accommodation of paranoid schizophrenic and intellectually limited so everyone, these are the people getting the death penalty, not because of the crimes they committed but because they

we've had our timothy mcveigh's. we've had our snipers in the tower in texas. we've had those over the years. now it is something that much more consistent, much more with us, and that's going to be much longer lasting. huntington talked about the clash of civilizations. that's happening. it's playing out in front of us. a highly radicalized element of islam in conflict with the west. and it's going to play out in these lone wolf attacks as well as orchestrated incidents like the brussels bombing and france back in november. >> and i have people ask me all the time, when does everyone wake up and realize this is happening? start using the words that i prefer that you use to describe this thing. none of that changes anything at all. >> no. >> this is all smoke and hot air from politicians trying to get elected. that doesn't change anything. this thing is not about to change. nothing is about to change. and it doesn't matter if we get fed up with it. that doesn't change it. it's not going to change. >> the nomenclature does not seem to be the issue here. how do y

president to succeed to the president -- to the presidency following an unexpected presidential timothy mcveigh kansi and the only one of those people to follow -- to succeed following a presidential resignation. and he's the only president in our history to seriously consider serving as vice president after he had already served as president. and although president ford's presidency and vice presidency really came before the period that i've called the white house vice presidency, he played an important part in developing and creating the office that we have today. we live in a period now where we have a very robust vice presidency. and what's so striking about that, in addition to the rather checkered history of the vice presidency for most of our history, is that the vice presidency has grown to its current importance at a time when many of our other major political institutions are being met with increasing dissatisfaction. if you think about the current situation, vice president biden is completing the final year of a very consequential and involved vice presidency. if you lookt what he ha

is not the same today as it was of the old days except what you get that for but the debate is timothy mcveigh and that is whate the everybody said of john wayne gacy but if you look at who is on death row there is a tremendous racial disparityfirs well over 50 percent of the murders and those that were there for killing white people. but so many our kids and somebody was killed and that is terrible they had to lock them up there not a death penalty or worse of the worse the most of the people of is just alerted the of their debut both have clients that are profoundly mentally ill i been profoundly. they can barely carry on a conversation to say that these people will not take the plea bargain when they can have it because they can make decisions or judgments of the disabled and paranoid schizophrenic so the is its people getting the death penalty not because a society that they don't understand the type of plea where the eric rudolph of the world that look the abortion clinic he consider ideal world latta of dynamite is buried you tell me and i will tell you but then they say they agreed rive

any good at all as it was back in the olden days but if we have the death penalty she says for timothy mcveigh. that is like john wayne gacy or ted bundy but if you look first of all, he sees tremendous racial disparity well over 50 percent of the murders but so many of our kids. to try and hold it up. these are not the worst of coerced. >> but now that these people so these are the people. they don't understand -- to see how the letter warns or obviously she is smart enough to do that so he avoids that in so many of the people that have committed a into the courtroom and issue the judge or the court reporter this guy didn't get the death penalty. >> but that is the very important issue because it is the getaway driver that agreed to go rob the store but he didn't sign up for murder by could be executed. of felonies carried out in the course of the felony someone dies even if you had nothing to do with it it is murder you can be charged. >> one of the things we are working on is that criminal intent element. but there is up push back relating to environmental crimes but as this comes up in the