>> timothy big -- timothy mcveigh was a decorated gulf war veteran.not insane, he was not a lunatic, he was not stupid. he was a white supremacist following a plan from a book called "the turner diaries," about a race war to exterminate blacks, jews, and mud people. you know how the war got started? the hero drives a truck bomb into a federal building. timothy mcveigh was reenacting that scene from "the turner diaries." he was carrying the book with him when he was arrested and what he was trying to do was start the race war. you're focused on the islamic guys. i get it right we all create a narrative based on what we think is important. we see what we want to see. but just because you're not looking at something, doesn't mean it's not there. -- and thenette there's the question, you've been quoted on why they decided to do this. you said, somebody's life prior had no meaning suddenly feels like they are engaged in something meaningful. we should try to find a way of getting them into this conversation. the more you ostracize them and aggressively dis

. >> rose: you're having a discussion about timothy mcveigh. here it is. >> you seem you have more going on than most people around here. do you remember oklahoma city? >> yeah, i guess i was five. but sure. >> what do you know about tum think mcveigh? >> he was some kind of lone extremist. led a militia? >> mr. mcveigh was a decorated gulf war veteran. he was not insane, he was not a lunatic and he was not stupid. he was a white supremacist following a plan. >> what plan? a plan from a book called the turner diaries. it's about a race war to exterminate blacks, jews and mud people. do you know how the war got started? the hero drives a truck bomb into a federal building. timothy mcveigh was reenacting that scene from the turner diaries. he was carrying the book with him when he was arrested. what he was trying to do was start the race war. you're focused on the islamic guys, i get it. we all create a narrative based on what we think is important. we see what we want to see. but just because you're not looking at something doesn't mean it's not

muslims in the world, but you didn't see the same kind of rationale being used for instance with timothy mcveigh. and so, that is part of the way the narrative's work and the way that they begin to undergird policy. you hear as they are talking about, muslims and terrorists. they are in fact talking about what policies to put in place, based on this, yes. >> when they looked up and saw them flying at half mast and the confederacy at full mast, and then it strategized a white tall guy at the bottom and they were to taste her. they looked at the white man that killed her, and though they backed off and let her live. the only reason that she's alive today is he grabbed the pole and told him to kill him and people don't know that story because they won't report it. >> i am a historian so i'm going to run with this. in 1946 in columbia tennessee, a white shop owner smacked a black woman, a black veteran was standing next to her. you do not lay your hands on somebody's mother. that veteran picked him up and flew him out the glass window to lynch the black man. the black veterans in that town were not

what you didn't see was the same kind of rationale with timothy mcveigh. way right?y begin to that is the way the narratives were killed and they can enter curred policy about, mus because you hear as they talked about muslims that what kind of policies we should put in place. >> the in the you know, the story with them looked up and they saw three flags:in the confederacy flagstaff full mast and in the order was given to tays her. but then they stand up to and looked at the white man and let her live the leady is hh person and then he said it killed him. people don't know that story because they will not report. >> i am a historian so i will run with this one but in 1946, in columbia tenn., a white shop owners smacked a black woman a veteran was standing next to her. you do not lay your hands on somebody's mother. he takes that white man up and present to the plate glass window. whites organized to lynched up like me and. the black veterans were not having an.ot. basically columbia at tennessee race riot after was over 23 african americans were arrested for murder.u

muslims in the world, but you didn't see the same kind of rationale being used for instance with to timothy mcveighght? so that's part of the way that these narratives work in the way they begin to under berg policy because you here, as they are talking about muslims and terrorists that they are in fact talking about what kind of policies to put in place based on this. yes. so another thing, you know the story when they looked up and saw three flags standing in the confederate flag flu at full mast a minute strategized and she was going up the pool and a white male at the bottom and the order was given at the police which would have electrified her. they look at his man. they backed off and let her live. the only reason she's alive today's because that white man was at the base of the pole and said to kill him and they. [inaudible] people don't know that story because they wouldn't report it. >> i'm a historian and i'm going to run with this one. in 1946 in columbia tennessee white shop owner slapped a black woman. her son was standing next to her. you do not lay your hands on somebody's mother. th

but they said, we want the death penalty molecular clinton says for those like timothy mcveigh. and that is what everybody was saying. isthe time, ted bundy, that what they had a four. but if you look at it, who it is for, you see a tremendous racial disparity and you have african-americans who are well over 50% of the murderers in georgia, the 80% of people on death wrote who were killing white people. so many of those our kids that went into -- our kids that went to 7-eleven and tried to hold it up and somebody was killed. that is terrible. locking people up. these are not death penalty cases, these are not the most heinous crimes that are committed. most of the people, and i learned the other day, we both have clients that are mentally ill. profoundly mentally ill come out of touch with reality and cannot carry on a conversation. these people are not going to take a clean. -- a plea. they cannot make decisions and judgments, because they are so limited. it is a combination of intellectually disabled and schizophrenic. so everybody is conspiring against them. these are the peo

muslims in the world, but you didn't see the same kind of rationale being used, for instance, with timothy mcveigh right? and so that's part of the way that these narratives work and the way that they begin to undergird policy. because you here as they are talking about muslims and terrorists, that they are, in fact, talking about what kind of policies to put in place. based on this, yeah. >> the story when they looked up and they saw three flags flying at half mast with you is like, half mast with a state like at the confederacy flag flew at full mast. and then it strategized and she then was going up the pole and the white male told i stood at the bottom and the order was given the order to taser. they looked at the white bank of this is my interpretation, they backed off and let her live. the only reason i think she selected is because that white men was at the base of that same, he told them to kill them. people don't know that store because they won't report it. >> i'm a historian. in 1946 in columbia tennessee a white shop owner smack a black woman. her son david was standing next to were. y