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i spoke with minnesota senator tina smith earlier this evening. >> senator smith, welcome, and thank you so much for your time. i want to start with that letter of support that you signed on to explicitly say that house progressives intend to vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill, only once the build back better act is passed, is that a verbal commitments? that a deal is not enough, must the build back better act be formally passed first? or just agreed upon? . >> as progressives in the senate, the progressives that signed on to that, letter wanted to buck up the house progressives, and make sure that they knew that we were with them, in making the point that these two bills need to go together. they are both two sides of the same coin, of the broad agenda that president biden ran on in 2020. that iran on in 2020. and we need to do all of its together. the bipartisan bill is great. but we also need to remember the rest of the campaign that we ran on. which is around lowering prescription drugs. addressing the crisis of climate change. making childcare more affordable. we signed

. >> joining us now is democratic senator tina smith of minnesota.eally want to focus on the climate portions of this whole package because it sounds like something has changed today back on october 15th, must meaningfully address climate change. i'm open to different approaches, i cannot support a bill that gets us to missions. there are 50 democratic senators, every one of us is needed to get this passed. you weren't alone in june. senator marky tweeted no climate, no deal. senator tweets a deal light on climate and clean energy should not count on every democratic vote, and today it sounds like something has changed. so what happened. >> alisyn, first, it's great to be with you, and i do have a lot of optimism that we are getting closer and closer to finally delivering on the promises that president biden made during the election, that i campaigned on in 2020 around this build back better agenda, and you're asking about climate, which is so important it has been the thing that i have worked on the hardest over the last few months. so my position i

i'll discuss with senator tina smith and plus, new whistle blower accusations have facebook scrambling allegations being made by his client tonight and ozzie media is shutting down less than a week after a "new york times" report uncovered a string of lies and misrepresentations surrounding the company. tonight, i'm talking to ben smith, "the times" reporter that broke that story. let's get started. >>> all right. stalemate sunday, that's where washington is tonight as divisions within the democratic ranks keep two bills that are critical to president joe biden's agenda from getting to his desk. to be fair, it's not exactly the entire democratic caucus that's in fighting. it's actually two senators. two out of 50 that are holding it up. now progressives remain steadfast in that the bipartisan infra s infrastructure bill be in the house until after the passage of the social spending, apparently, there are trust issues between the left and right flanks of the party. you'll remember that price tag , had been around 3.5 trillion dollars over ten years. that's important. ten years. not one.

tina smith of minnesota. senator, you heard mitch mcconnell sounding as if well, you know, that would require republicans to some of them to allow democrats to do it. i mean, i can't imagine who might be able to influence republicans to do that. your thoughts? >> democrats are prepared to raise the debt ceiling and to do the right thing and republicans aren't going to help us all the way and mitch mcconnell's ploy is nothing but another cynical effort. we can't let him do this if the republicans are not going to just get out of the way and let us pass this debt ceiling, this debt ceiling we'll have to do it on our own and it's just ridiculous. it's hard to not laugh at it but this is the full faith and credit of our country. this is about whether veterans' benefits and medicare payments and social security gets paid. this is about whether our economy is teetering right now, it is not a laughing matter and really outrageous that mcconnell continues to use the senate rules for political power to stand up to him

joining me right now is democratic minnesota senator tina smith.ator, welcome back to the broadcast. let's get into this here, there's a lot to talk about. first going to political play book, it's giving some new insight into the president's meeting with house democrats and it says that senior democrats thought the president was coming to the hill to support speaker pelosi's efforts to rally the party behind the bipartisan infrastructure plan that was happening ahead of friday's scheduled vote or at least hopeful vote, but instead he ended up telling them he wanted to hold off on it until there was a reconciliation deal so from your perspective being one of the 11 senators who backed house -- in demanding for the package for the entire biden agenda, are you surprised by this, and does this change the dynamics? >> well, hi, alex. it's great to be with you this morning. honestly, i wasn't surprised. as i've been a part of these negotiations, especially on the climate pieces as well as the broader conversations, of course the president wants to see bo

. >> so, for some insight on where these negotiations stand joined now by tina smith of minnesota. >> so, i want to start with the issue of paying for this bill because it does seem as if that is the last minute scramble here. and i know that in many ways whether you guys like it or not, joe manchin is the pivot point here. i want to play something he said because it actually looks like it's a path to something here. but it was the idea of a patriot tax. here's senator manchin. >> on the taxes people are talking about tax this and tax that and will change that and first of all, i said this. everybody in this country has been blessed and prosperred should pay a patriotic tax. if you're to the point to where you're able to use all of the tax forms, if you can to your advantage and you end up with a zero tax liability but have had a very, very good life and you had a lot of opportunities, there should be a 15% patriotic tax. that's me speaking. i'm not speaking for anybody else. but we said and we all agreed on 15% corporate tax. >> so, senator smith, when he said that you thought, ok

senator tina smith, she tweeted out she can't support a bill that won't get to where they need to bee missions. this is a problem for democrats to solve. they have people who think it has too much, not enough, and then you have someone on offense, senator bernie sanders, writing in joe manchin's newspaper on op-ed on friday saying, we now have in historic opportunity to support the working families of west virginia, vermont and the entire country. bernie sanders has been going on conservative airways. he's been in places like indiana trying to sell this deal, but he is targeting senator manchin's state. senator manchin reacted. he wrote, this is not the first time an out-of-stater has tried to tell west virginians what is best for them despite having no relationship to our state. sometimes, these feuds are political, and people need to vent. i think this is personal for senator manchin, and i think it will be part of the dynamics coming. judy: you have this division going on, and then you have speaker pelosi saying she wants this moving by the end of the month. this is october 18. li

this is a plea to senators tina smith and amy klobuchar, to do the right thing r the pele of minnesota, the waters of our great lake superior, for future generations. amy: finally, we look at one of the two journalists awarded the nobel peace prize friday, editor in chief of the russian newspaper which has lost four journal -- which has lost more journalists to murder than any other russian news outlet. >> this award is for -- fallen professionals who gave their lives for the profession. i am not the right beneficiary for this prize. amy: we will speak with katrina vanden heuvel, publisher of the nation magazine, who has been reporting on russia for the last 30 years. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the pharmaceutical company merck has asked drug regulators in the united states and europe to authorize the first antiviral pill to treat covid-19 patients at home. public health officials hope approval of the drug, molnupiravir, could help reduce the strain on hospitals. in other pandemic news, the officia

i think we need to make sure as my friend, tina smith said, it is not enough to have two people on board in the senate, but you have to have all 50 senators. i think that is an important part of this as well. >> when we last talked, the way you helped characterize this, the way you bring the price tag and we discussed the price tag is a frustrating way to discuss it. we need to discuss the programs and what return they provide. there are three options. shorten duration of the things you propose. you reduce the cost of some of the things you are propoing or cut some out entirely. is that still the chess game played where something may be shorten and something might be cut and something might be left? >> yes, i think that's right. what is important for people to remember is for the progressive caucus, we didn't think this bill should be trying to do everything. we also have a separate appropriations process. we said we want investments transformative and provide benefit immediately to people that they can feel in this moment of crisis and are as universal as possible. that's how we got to

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support the bill with this idea of a carbon cost, here is what other democrats are saying, senator tina smith of minnesota, she tweeted out on friday that she can't support a bill that won't get to where they need to be on emissions. so this is a problem for democrats to solve. there are people who think it hasn't too much, others think it doesn't have enough. and bernie sanders wants an aggressive climate bill, writing in joe manchin's newspaper in the gazette mail, saying "we now have a supportive opportunity to help the working families of west virginia, vermont, and the entire country." he has been going on conservative airwaves, in places like indiana, trying to clear this bill. he is clearly targeting senator manchin's state. he wrote on saturday: "this is not the first time an out of stater is trying to tell west virginians what is best for them, despite having no relationship to our state." sometimes these opinions or political, and people need to vent. i think this is personal for senator manchin, and it will be part of the dynamics that will play out in the coming weeks. >> woodruff

here's what senator tina smith said on your air last hour. >> what we should do is build up from what we need to do, what we want to do, and then come to an agreement on what that number is. it's not going to be 3.5. i think we know that. what that final number is is going to be part of the negotiations. >> reporter: yeah, and smith there a democrat from minnesota, she knows how important the bipartisan infrastructure bill will be to her state. minnesota planning an expensive highway high speed rail project right now. she like her fellow democratic colleagues in the senate also know they need that human infrastructure package, that cradle to grave policies for americans like child care, paid family leave, climate change ask so on. but she also acknowledges there that they have to come down in the price tag and some of the priorities to meet senators manchin and sinema in the senate and get them on board. there are moderates in the house, one of them josh gottheimer, a new jersey democrat, he put out a really harsh statement after that meeting with president biden when he was told by s

my colleague tina smith has the energy piece of this bill with her energy standard. she wants to get this done. i want to get the prescription drugs lowered. we want to make sure that we get this done for the american people. and so it is not everyone is going to get every single detail that they want but in the end i am confident that we'll do good for the american people. failure is not an option. >> you think they can get it done today or this weekend? they've stopped the clock so we are still in the thursday legislative day, still september 30th somewhere on capitol hill >> i can't give you the exact day. by the way, i spent the summer with senator manchin and senator schumer and warnock, padilla, merkley, many others, eight of us, working on that voting bill. we took it issue by issue and we have what i consider a breakthrough bill with the freedom to vote act that i hope we will be considering next. i know we will. once we get through this. but senator manchin worked with us on the details and we got that done. that is what needs to be happening right now with

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so take a listen to what senator tina smith told me yesterday. >> what we should do is build up from what we want to do, then come to an agreement on what that number is. it's not going to be 3.5, i think we know that. what that final number is will be part of the negotiations. >> she said right there, it's not going to be $3.5 trillion. is that acceptable to you, do you have a bottom line? >> yes, senator smith is exactly right in her approach. let's see what we're for, the proposals, add them up, come to a compromise number. i trust the president's the judge, if he says, look, ro, here is a fair compromise, my guess is a lot of the progressives will be on board as long as all the stakeholders are part of that discussion. >> do you think it's important that the president get out there this week to say to the american people, here's what's in this bill, here's how it's going to affect your life, and benefit your life, to his way of thinking, and yours as well? do you think that's the approach to take now? >> yes, because by definition, the party has no better messenger in places that

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jones has a bill that's been supported in the senate by tina smith and ed markey.ar too many of them are trying to go and hug lindsey graham instead of fighting lindsey graham for control of the third branch of glove. >> melissa, polls don't mean everything but right now, these are different polls but, you know, the supreme court is polling below the president somewhere just above congress. if they lose the legitimacy that is typically come to the court because it is seen as the non-partisan, the sort of just out of politics branch of government, let's just say that people start to think you know what? that's bullbullshit. they are politicians doing what lindsey graham is doing. what practical legitimacy would they have? what then? >> all the court has is a legitima legitimacy. it's unlike congress and doesn't have the power of the southward. the only thing it has to make us the public compile with its orders, its decisions is this idea that we view it as legitimate. so i don't think it's a coincidence that you see these polling numbers, the lowest in the history o

senator tina smith saying she is supporting. say that republicans have been working to come up with donald trump's help they stole two seats ensuring an ultraconservative court that is drastically out of step with the american people. allowing texas extreme ban on abortion to stand is just the latest demonstration that much of the current court has become dangerously unmoored from any reasonable principles of legal analysis. when asked about it, she is open to reforms to the size of the supreme court but right now is focused on her work with the judiciary committee to confirm various nominees across the country. president biden announcing the commission taking a look at possible changes to the courts makeup, no decision or apart from that. your thoughts on. supreme court, especially as it resumes its work this week. if you think it's too conservative, collis at 202-748-8000. if you say it's too liberal, 202-748-8001. maybe you think the courts workings are just about right 202-748-8002. and you can text and tweet us as well call

senator tina smith saying she is supporting.ay that republicans have been working to come up with donald trump's help they stole two seats ensuring an ultraconservative court that is drastically out of step with the american people. allowing texas extreme ban on abortion to stand is just the latest demonstration that much of the current court has become dangerously unmoored from any reasonable principles of legal analysis. when asked about it, she is open to reforms to the size of the supreme court but right now is focused on her work with the judiciary committee to confirm various nominees across the country. president biden announcing the commission taking a look at possible changes to the courts makeup, no decision or apart from that. your thoughts on. supreme court, especially as it resumes its work this week. if you think it's too conservative, collis at 202-748-8000. if you say it's too liberal, 202-748-8001. maybe you think the courts workings are just about right 202-748-8002. and you can text and tweet us as well caller

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