there were not together for long, but very respectful. -- that was tom daschle. but very partisan where they needed to be, but respectful. an open and candid relationship. with the house, little experience with jim wright, and now long experience with tip o'neill. but similarly, senator dole would go to the other side, not often. we have enough to say grace over in our own body without having to manage the other body, but it was a distant, respectful relationship. he recognized to o'neill as ever remarkable politician. -- he recognized tip o'neill as a remarkable politician. he had a similar respect for another. they had known one another in the house. michael had been in the minority for so long that it was very challenging. very challenging for the republicans in the house then. he and newt gingrich had suddenly a challenging relationship. -- certainly a challenging relationship. [laughter] i remember that we were on the receiving end of the contract for america for the worshiping bills to the senate, many of which never left the senate. very different approach

i feel with people looking at not just bob dole certainly but tom daschle and michel, you were talking about leaders here but there are certainly other for rank-and-file members who dan coats for example done just fin over time you've been able to search say it is an ambassador, come back and a fair number of ambassadors come out of the ranks of retired senators. they conceded that interesting lives often meaningful and they've made a lot of money. i thing the first question is how does that affect your fault of just not running again?@ @ @ make phone calls but will not be part of the lobbying process. but what strikes me is that often for someone like daschle who is highly interested in health care when he's in the senate gets involved in health care after and you must start thinking also again i think it is a little more common for house members who specialize more still, that what i do in the senate will lead me to this job. billy from louisiana is the poster boy for this, but there are a number of others but i think a little more in the house. in the senate side because you are mo

i think, people looking at not just bob dole certainly, but tom daschle and you were talking about leadership but they are showing other more rank-and-file members, dan coates for example who have done just fine over time, who have been able to serve as ambassador, come back and a good number of ambassadors have come out of the ranks of retired senators. interesting lives, often meaningful and have made a lot of money. the first question, how does it affect the thought of just not running again? i can still do things that i'm interested in, have an impact. maybe not quite as much but have a lot better of life in a variety of ways. the other question you asked is pretty interesting. i think it may have focused on a little more the house than the senate. if you look at registered lobbyist for example. very few acts senators are registered lobbyists as i see it right now. those data are not complete, but any more of them are like dole, daschle, who will make phonecalls but will not be part of the lobbying process. what strikes me is that they often, someone like daschle who is highly interested

there is a story that tom daschle tells when he was the democratic leader of the senate, he had just become democratic leader in the mid-1990s, and lo and behold, here comes bob deaoe to have been meeting with him in his office. daschle as the new guy on the block. he was so flattered, spending his time with me, then he realized what senator dole was up to. it was genuine, but by him coming to my office, it showed that he had the power to end the meeting when he wanted it and the meeting. bridget wanted to end the meeting. that had a very good relationship. the senate organized a series of speeches and the late 1990's called the "leader is a collector's series." the transcripts are on the senate web site. senator dole gave his speech having been out of the senate for four years, and it was 10 years ago this month. i read it and it is filled within sight. about what it means to be a leader of the senate. nine leaders and "-- including the former vice president came and spoke. each 1.3 the previous speeches -- each one went through the speeches of the previous leaders. it is of great d

talking about everything he kept coming back time and time again to health care because he and tom daschle had just put together a big health care proposal not unlike the one that ended up passing. and was interesting to see the students would ask him a question about x, y, or ze and he would answer it and bring it back to health care, highly engaged, highly interested, and again a model for some of what you can do after congress. finally i would say where we are sitting literally is an indication of what you can do. out of 76 members of the 101st congress, the 1989, 1990 the congress everyone looked at had a broad sense of career there are still quite a number serving but 76 have left the senate. out of the 76, 15 have educational institution centers of one sort or another named after them. you have the mitchell senter, liberty university, the helms center. trent lott has a center, fritz hollings interestingly enough has a center on conducting useful. i'm not sure you can even understand him. but in a certain sense the careers have been institutionalized after they have gone. so again, so

tom daschle, the ultimately became partners together a law firm and worked well together. they were not together a long period of time but again, respectful. both could be partisan where the need to be that both very respectful of one another in a very open and i think candid relationship. with the house side little experience with jim wright and not a long experience with tip o'neill. but again, similarly senator dole would go to the other side where we needed to. we did in dewey very often. you know, we had enough to say grace over in our own body without having to manage the other body. but again, it was a distant kind of respectful relationship. he recognized tip o'neill for their remarkable politician he was. remarkably skillful. certainly he had great respect for bob michael, similar generation. they'd known one another in the house. but michael had been in the minority for so long. it was very challenging for the republicans in the house during that period of time. he and gingrich had a certainly challenging relationship. very different personalities. there was a

so they click, click, they see somebody, you know -- i mean, they see tom daschle, right, they'll stop, or they'll see dick armey, you know, they'll stop, or see a mary matalin, you know, they'll stop when she's -- she's a guest. we think the guests make the show, but sometimes even a bad guest can get a good rating. c-span: do republicans... >> guest: go figure on... c-span: do republicans or the democrats spin the most? >> guest: i don't think there's any difference. i think they all spin. they're all good at it, and, i -- as i point out in the book, i think bill -- among the presidents, bill clinton gets the prize. master spinner; just wonderful to behold. i mean, just brilliant to watch him. and spin himself out situation after situation after situation. and yet i -- i have to admit -- and i give him credit -- the bush white house is -- is keeping up with the clinton white house, i believe, so far. they're -- they're very, very good. they're very adept. karl rove, karen hughes, during the campaign and in the white house, i -- i think they have been -- are masters of the art. c-span

it only happen with tom daschle in 2004.rican people are angry and healthcare will add to it. >> democrats say that well, the trend economically is our friend, if joe biden is right on expecting the -- we're going to create 200,000 jobs a month, that could be a good wind at their back. >> it is a good wind, but up to a point. look, how much money are they spending for these 200,000 new jobs? i could give you $10 billion and you could create 200,000 jobs and they would be more likely to last. the issue the american people have is don't punishmy kids. don't tell me i have to pay so much more. don't add additional taxation and regulation and litigation to my life. the anger is not just about the job loss that happened in the last year under the obama administration, the anger is the way that washington ignores and treats americans so poorly. >> neil: could stuff -- good stuff, frank luntz. >> can you picture me managing a health food store? then why is this guy telling these guys how they should run their store? . i'm at the do

dick gephardt lobbies for goldman sachs, tom daschle represents companies on wall street.r onceç represented and lobbied for global crossing. how do they make the case they are against cronyism when almost every member is involved in some capacity? >> yeah. what they do is what rahm emanuel did the other night. to meet in secret and behind closed doors, all of those so-called fat cats who know they are going to get beaten up in public but will be taken care of behind the scenes. that's now this administration has operated rfm day one. the way to remedy that is get rid of the corruption. you cannot reform. the only way to do it is reduce the size of government. >> sean: is this as some are suggesting, barack obama's enron or do they get away with it in the end? >> i think that we have to keep screaming at the top of our lungs as long as they keep screaming fat cat and demoç goinging this. when you compare bush enron to obama enron scandal million in con waougss -- contributions from goldman sachs versus about 150,000 in donations from enron. yet, the liberal media the pre

tom daschle -- they ultimately became partners together at a law firm and worked well together. were not together for a very long time. but again, very respectful. both could be very partisan where they needed to be but both respectful of each other in a very open and i think candid relationship. what the house -- little experience with jim wright. and not a long experience with tip o'neill. but again similarly senator dole would go to the other side where we needed to. we didn't do it very often. you know, we had enough to say grace over in our own body without having to manage the other body. [laughter] >> but again, it was a distant kind of respectful relationship. you know, he recognized tip o'neill for the remarkable politician he was. skillful. he had great respect for bob michael. a similar generation. they'd known one another in the house. but michael had been in the minority for so long. it was very challenging. for the republicans in the house during that period of time. he and gingrich had a -- certainly a challenging relationship. [laughter] >> very different persona

he was out doing fund raising event for people like tom daschle who were sitting senators between mealy upon arriving in washington obama was this unprecedented fund-raising draw. apart from hillary clinton. he could go around the country to read state and purple states, obviously to put state and turn out huge crowds. and i think mark and i at the time of war following this, we knew that obama was trying to run and we knew he was raising money. i don't think a week report the book we had a clear set. we started talking to people like claire mccaskill who tells the stories about obama coming to campaign tour in 2006. he would come to saint louis to have to get an overflow room because not only do they have had a fundraiser for the 2000 or 3000 people who would pay a lot of money, but also have to get a separate report 10,000 or 15,000 people because everybody wanted to see this guy. his fund-raising ability was at the core of what as we talk about how the democratic establishment was secretly behind him, that was part, they could see his political appeal. anita dunn in some sense along

tom daschle is certainly somebody who is very good at communicating with the american people, understand it is health care system. i'm not recommending tom. i don't know whether tom daschle, senator daschle would be interested in that kind of situation but that's the kind of person who communicates well and understands the public and legislation is the kind of person that you need. hoirp congressman steny hoyer in our program that gets underway in 22 minutes. 10:00 eastern time and again it's 6:00, 3:00 for our viewers on the west coast also heard on espn radio show. including the number one on the list a recent guest on our q & a program likal lewis the book is called the big short. people who saw the reals crash coming and made fofede the specific number three. karl rove is number four. still on the list. market hall pring and their book game change a look at the 2008 presidential campaign. billy, good morning. independent line. caller: good morning c-span. i want to say c-span is a great program. and it's a few things y'all could do better. the last guest you had up there, pataki. you

i feel with people looking at not just bob dole certainly but tom daschle and michel, you were talkingabout leaders here but there are certainly other for rank-and-file members who dan coats for example done just fin over time you've been able to search say it is an ambassador, come back and a fair number of ambassadors come out of the ranks of retired senators. they conceded that interesting lives often meaningful and they've made a lot of money. i thing the first question is how does that affect your fault of just not running again? that i can still do things i'm interested in and have an impact maybe not quite as much but have a lot better life in a variety of ways. the other question you ask is pretty interesting. i think it may focus a little more on the house than the senate if you look at registering lobbyists for example a very few senators are registering lobbyists as i see right now that the data are not complete but name more of them are like bob dole, daschle who make phone calls but will not be part of the lobbying process. but what strikes me is that often for someone li

on behalf of our former senate majority leaders, tom daschle, tom dole howard baker is a real pleasure to welcome you here this morning to this important discussion on the state of intelligence reform. the bpc was founded about three years ago based on the relatively simple idea that despite all the forces that are pulling us towards the edges, there are still rooms like this, people of goodwill, persons of goodwill who are interested in coming together to hash out and try to develop shared ideas insurance solutions and some of our nations problems here at an addition to putting together those detailed policy ideas we also take the next step of asking the people who work at those too aggressively advocate for those ideas both as a government denial. and we're in the midst now several different policy areas. we're working on energy and climate change. we task force working together on iran's. with a project on transportation policy, a group that assisted up in the fall issue of the national debt. and we are most gratified to be here with you all today talking about intelligence reform,

he was out doing fundraising events for tom daschle. and he was this fundraising draw apart from hillary clinton and in some ways by excess of her he could go around to red states, to purple states and blue states and turn out huge crowds. mark and i at the time when we were following this, you know, we knew that obama was traveling around. and we knew that he was raising money but i don't think until we report the book that he had a clear sense. and people like claire mccaskill who would tell these stories that obama coming to campaign for her in 2006 when he would come to st. louis they would have to get an overflow room not only did they have to have the fundraiser for the 2,000, 3,000 people who would pay a lot of money and they would have to get a separate room for 10,000, 12,000 people because everybody loved this guy. his fundraising ability was at the core why the democratic establishment was secretly behind him. that was part of the way he demonstrated to them that he was someone who could be a serious candidate. anita dunn alo

it is a plan that people like tom daschle and others are looking for as a mainstream alternative. it certainly keeps in place the private insurance host: other people have -- the private insurance. host: other people have made that claim, that we made the wall street allowance. guest: you have to balance in your mind, do you believe we were headed toward a depression? are their financial industry -- entities in this country that -- are their financial entities in this country that are too big to fail? clearly, our political leaders, both president bush and president obama, made a decision they had to engage in helping with the troubled assets and even going beyond that in looking for a stimulus for the american economy and doing things for companies like the auto companies. is that the government taking over things or the government acting as a sort of beneficial force for good? trying to moderate the excesses of capitalism that would have crashed this economy because there were people who abused mortgages and got into gains on wall street that ultimately turned out to be a house

it is a plan that people like tom daschle and others are looking for as a mainstream alternative. it certainly keeps in place the private insurance host: other people have -- the private insurance. host: other people have made that claim, that we made the wall street allowance. guest: you have to balance in your mind, do you believe we were headed toward a depression? are their financial industry -- entities in this country that -- are their financial entities in this country that are too big to fail? clearly, our political leaders, both president bush and president obama, made a decision they had to engage in helping with the troubled assets and even going beyond that in looking for a stimulus for the american economy and doing things for companies like the auto companies. is that the government taking over things or the government acting as a sort of beneficial force for good? trying to moderate the excesses of capitalism that would have crashed this economy because there were people who abused mortgages and got into gains on wall street that ultimately turned out to be a house

. >> i understand that senator dole and tom daschle [inaudible] >> interestingly enough, president obama has now three or four times over the last couple of weeks referenced the proposal that dole and daschle and howard baker and george mitchell put together. we started working on it over a year ago and we've really -- released eight last june. it has the support of all four of them although mitchell but it's supported by mitchell but then by daschle, dole and baker. it has elements that are common to the house and the senate and are both democrat and republican. they sort of came to the table and put everything on the table. senator negative all agreed to the limitation on the tax treatment of health insurance benefits. he agreed to a number of other provisions. no public plans. he agreed to allow interest to be purchased across state lines. senator dole and baker agreed to allow all individuals to have coverage but no mandates on business. they agreed to a number of preventive services and they agreed to a variety of things that is essentially froze all of them to the opposite points o

he was an incredible fundraising -- fund-raising events for tom daschle and other senators.as an incredible fundraising source. he would turn out huge crowds. we knew that obama was traveling around and raising money, but i don't think until we wrote the book that we had a clear sense. we talked to people like claire mccaskill who would tell stories about obama campaign for her in 2006 and when they came to st. louis, not only did they have to have the fundraiser for the 2000 were 3000 people, but it would need to get a separate room for 15,000 people, because everybody wanted to see this guy. his fund-raising ability was at the core of why, as we talk about the democratic establishment being behind him, that was part of the political appeal, part of the wheat they demonstrated that he could be a serious candidate. anita dunn, in some sense, along with david plouffe, initiating a similar strategy for deval patrick in massachusetts, started to think about how this could be capitalized on to build the grass-roots army. when people came to obama events, it would ask for e-mail

the nomination he was going to win by a landslide was during fund-raising events for people like tom daschlewho were sitting senators, immediately upon arriving in washington obama was this unprecedented fund-raising draw apart from hillary clinton and in some ways an excess of her by a certain point he could go around the country to visit and purple states to obviously blue states and turnout huge crowds and i mean mark and i of the time we were following this we knew obama was traveling and we knew he was raising money but i don't think until we reported in the book we have a clear set we started talking to people, claire mccaskill who would tell the stories about obama coming to campaign in 2006 and help when he would come to st. louis they would have to get an overflow room because not only did they have to have the fund-raiser for the people who were going to pay a lot of money they would also needed to get a separate room for 10,000 or 15,000 people because everybody wanted to see this guy. his fund-raising ability was at the core of why as we talk of the democratic establishment was s

i feel with people looking at not just bob dole certainly but tom daschle and michel, you were talkingabout leaders here but there are certainly other for rank-and-file members who dan coats for example done just fin over time you've been able to search say it is an ambassador, come back and a fair number of ambassadors come out of the ranks of retired senators. they conceded that interesting lives often meaningful and they've made a lot of money. i thing the first question is how does that affect your fault of just not running again? that i can still do things i'm interested in and have an impact maybe not quite as much but have a lot better life in a variety of ways. the other question you ask is pretty interesting. i think it may focus a little more on the house than the senate if you look at registering lobbyists for example a very few senators are registering lobbyists as i see right now that the data are not complete but name more of them are like bob dole, daschle who make phone calls but will not be part of the lobbying process. but what strikes me is that often for someone li