tom friedman the writer tom friedman who also is a former wilson scholar wrote an op-ed last month in which he quoted his 1998 interview with it then 94-year-old george kennan. said kennan, i think the russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. we have signed up to protect a whole series of countries even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. so segue to 2014 and the urgent challenge to de-escalate conflict and avoid miscalculation over the events in ukraine and russia. nato expansion is again being scrutinized. today's topic into the fold or out in the cold could not be more timely or fit better with what the wilson center does well our kennan institute headed by

was that tom friedman? a series of showtime exploring climate change. joining us now from washington, "new york times" columnist thomas friedman who is also a correspondent for the series. >> tom, that was shot in such a way -- >> i thought it was james bond. >> exactly. >> my good ps. >> amazing what they can do in hollywood. >> actually, you're shedding light on an issue we need to talk about. >> i totally got the issue wrong. let's go to the right issue. climate change. talk about the series. it looks incredible. >> what were we looking at? >> it's an amazing nine-part series really looking at how climate change, environmental stresses are playing out on the ground in real life. i was involved in four episodes. one was in syria looking at the drought in northern syria that was one of the stressors that provoked the uprising. that was yemen where we were visiting a town in central yemen where if you turn on your tap, you get water once every 30 to 40 days. and we were covering two villages fighting over a

tom friedman the writer tom friedman who also is a former wilson scholar wrote an op-ed last month in which he quoted his 1998 interview with it then 94-year-old george kennan. said kennan, i think the russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. we have signed up to protect a whole series of countries even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. so segue to 2014 and the urgent challenge to de-escalate conflict and avoid miscalculation over the events in ukraine and russia. nato expansion is again being scrutinized. today's topic into the fold or out in the cold could not be more timely or fit better with what the wilson center does well our kennan institute headed by matt who is was sitting in the corner right here was founded by the kennan family and boasts over 1400 scholar alumni, 100 of which are currently on the ground in ukraine and our global europe program headed by christian osterman are here has hundreds of scholar alumni bordering the conflict zone. we have assembled the program today including

tom friedman, the writer tom friedman, who is also a former osos color, wrote an op ed in which he quotedis interview with the 94-year-old george kennan. kennan, the russians will gradually react adversely. we have signed up a number of countries even though we have neither the resources or intention to do so in a serious way. segue to 2014. the urgent challenge to de-escalate conflict and avoid miscalculation. nato expansion is again being scrutinized. topic, into the fold or out in the cold, could not be more timely. the institute was founded by the kennan family. our global europe for graham -- program has hundreds of scholar alumni in the conflict zone. we have assembled a program today, including former officials from russia and poland , in key roles in 1994. wolfgang it to juror -- it zinger. the deputy secretary of nato. margaret warner. she will moderate. hereto keynote and kick off our conversation is chuck hagel. inwas elected to the senate 1990 seven and voted for nato expansion. i checked. [laughter] , he will remarks take quotes from the audience. he is the first enlisted com

>> we had tom friedman.e are all excited but people who were not excited was still respectful that he was there and most people paid attention. i am surprised you are not a little bit more encouraging. >> it does not matter. >> when a message seems to be speakers are more controversial for a variety of reasons i would think of the silent majority. but if a few hundred act up why should that penalize the entire school? say what you want to of christine regard but now? >> probably someone not as fisted -- prestigious as herb you get that controversial speech got in there not that she is controversial but by the way i have no idea who spoke at my college graduation. no idea. >>. neil: i don't know who spoke at mine either. >> what do you do the night before college graduation? [laughter] neil: this is another trend that i can relate to. putting off marriage a lot summer even ruling it out altogether maybe because of there parents' experience or there being financially prudent to make sure they have everything t

tom friedman is the director of the c.d.c. >> we think really there are two things going on. the first is that there does appear to be an increased number of cases. there are clusters in saudi arabia that we've not seen before. but the second thing is that we're recognizing it more. >> reporter: the c.d.c. says you are not considered to be at risk for mers unless you have had close contact with an infected patient. and in the case of the indiana patient who is doing well, even close contacts have all tested negative for the virus. >> pelley: thanks, jon. today, pro-russian separatists in ukraine declared independence for two eastern provinces. voters there overwhelmingly chose autonomy in a weekend referendum. ukraine's government, however, called the vote illegal and today, the white house said it does not recognize the results. russia stopped short of endorsing it, too. clarissa ward is in donetsk for us tonight. clarissa, these numbers in favor of independence, donetsk, it was 89% in favor and against, 94% is what's being reported by the pro-russian separatists. what was t

. >> and do you believe it was a mistake also, as some do -- tom friedman being one that comes to mind-- to push nato membership in front of the georgians and talk about it for the ukrainians, scaring the death out of the russians? >> yes, it was a mistake. some of the worst mistakes and foreign policy are made when you are on top. failing to take yes for an answer or not realizing when you've gone far enough. that thenizing russians could never deal strategically with ukraine being either a nato member or full eu member right near there but -- their borders is something that we should have understood. >> what should ukraine be? >> of course, both brezinski and kissinger said, as soon as this thing happened, said finland. i'm not even sure that finland is enough, that the russians could tolerate as much of a relationship with the west that finland has in ukraine. but as i said, i think ukraine has to be a buffer state. and it will -- the other piece of this that just doesn't get talked about nearly enough is that so much of what is happening that is bad is the ukrainians fault. they ha

tom friedman crosses into syria. >> that's a dangerous place to be, and for him to risk, you know, tout himself at some risk in order to get that story. i under up going to the andes in chile almost up to 20,000 feet. it was the day of living dangerously because it was a very intense climb up to a very high altitude but it just tells you what scientists are putting themselves through to get us good data. >> it is a very interesting data that the show is giving us. the next episode of years of living dangerously premieres on show time sunday on 10:00 p.m. eastern and it is a pleasure to have you on the show. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, antonio. >> coming up: someone who jumped often of the tallest man-made structure in the world and lived to talk about it. first, do you hate the state where you live? the surprising number of americans who can't wait to move. we will explain next in our data dive. >> every saturday join us for exclusive, revealing, and surprising talks with the most interesting people of our time. >> i became beautiful when i became a feminist >> g

sorry, tom friedman, the world is not flat but the world wide web is. our nations have done so much to lead the way in innovation because everyone of us as citizens have to believe that our private most thoughts were safe and were secure. so what i'm saying is state surveillance is not acceptable in this internet age. because for all that we have had come for all of this innovation it can all be undone. we are doing far more, on former innocent people and we've ever done before. as i said in the past technological it was impossible and the loss kept is doing direct defense. today the laws have been weakened and the technology makes it cheap and easy to gobble up all of that data about every single one of us. this is an unprecedented situation where surveillance is disproportionate affects innocent people and there is technological answer but it is not what is being done. so i will be with us. i know there are good people at the nsa trying to keep us safe. i know that our best interest at heart. i know the surveillance state is full of people who were ma

that used to be with the -- [inaudible] to the notion of only democrats don't go to war, remember tom friedman- [inaudible] don't go to war with each other, right? >> my recitation of authorities until now. [laughter] >> okay. >> now you're -- >> you quoted plato. the issue is there was an underlying assumption that's deep in the dna of the west is that if you have economic development rises of middle classes, middle classes then support democratic institutions. it's a bad barrington moore argument because moore demonstrates it's actually those relationships that form between the elite groups and the people that are receiving consent from can create a very dynamic economic market with a great deal of growth with a middle class that sells off democracy for economic stability which one might argue is russia and putin's economic friends. and then the issue is that is fine, we're willing -- we are willing to deal with you as long as you stay in your box. if you're willing to maintain the economic relationships with us and trade and partner, the long game is we think eventually you'll have internal

tom friedman wrote a long piece about the whole intersection of theory between the issue of the water scarcity and the environment and the rest of that and how that played a critical role in the revolt in this area. so people were not aware of the extent to which the issue of the identity politics has loomed so large area and i use the term. electrically because they do not think the issue as i've written in the past -- i wrote a piece two or three years ag ago maybe more, you know how time flies, called it is not a solution or the problem, and irq that the issue is much more about how different segments of these communities can learn to live together democratically as opposed to having a kind of peaceful coexistence or not so peaceful coexistence in the authoritarian system, and i think therefore that of the identity issue is blooming large that many people were surprised by it. i remember that they wrote a piece of six months ago when he said he was shocked that the issue had loomed so large and i was thinking my gosh this is a man that knows egypt while but sometimes it isn't easy

tom friedman wrote a long piece months ago about the whole intersection in series you between the issue of water scarcity and the environment of the rest of it and how that played a critical role in the revolt in syria. the people were sort of caught unaware by the extent to which the issue of identity politics has loomed so large. i use the term very deliberately because i don't think the issue as i've written in the past, i wrote a piece some two or three years ago, you know how time flies, called islam is not the solution for the problem. i argued the issue is much more about how different segments of these communities can learn to live together democratically as opposed to having a kind of peaceful coexistence or not so peaceful coexistence in an authoritarian system. i think, therefore, that the identity issue is a large but many people were surprised by it. i remember a piece about six months ago when he said he was shocked that the issue of secular islam is egypt has loomed so large. i was thinking my gosh this is a man who knows egypt well, but sometimes it's not easy to sort of

tom friedman, the writer, who is also a former wilson scholar thomas wrote an op-ed last month in which he quoted his 1998 interview with the then 94-year-old george kennan. "i think the russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. we have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way." so, moved to 2014. and the urgent challenge to de-escalate conflict and avoid miscalculation over events in ukraine and russia. nato expansion is again being scrutinized. topic, into the fold or out in the cold, could not be more timely or fit better with what the wilson center does well. by canyon institute, headed matt ridge and ski, sitting right here in the corner, was founded by the kenyan family, scholar over 1400 alumni, 100 of which are currently on the ground in ukraine. our global europe program, headed by christian auster lynn, has hundreds of scholar alumni bordering the conflict zone. we have assembled a program today, including former officials from russia and pola

tom friedman feels that way.of the journalists who have got a lot of experience covering the middle east would say that moment was extraordinary in a way that no weather was before it. it.o other was before maybe egypt will have a democracy. but we know what happened. it began to unfold. suddenly mubarak steps down. the protesters rejoiced. very soon after that, the military sort of begins to take hold and it says, ok will would be an interim government for now. an interimbe government for now. the committee of generals said we're going to have a decent transition to democracy. they were seen as heroes because they came to the side of the protesters and they said, we embrace this call for change. so they were seen as heroic, and they are still to this day considered the most trusted institution in egypt, which can be very surprising if you're watching on the streets the way in which they are acting so brutally amd putting down the demonstrations. how the egyptians cling to this. if you talk to the egyptians, they

please welcome thomas friedman. ( cheers and applause ) thanks very much. tome you again. thanks for coming back. all right, it's been a few years since you've been here. just to remind the people who you are. yura a three time pulitzer award winning columnist. now of now year in a showtime documentary called "years of living dangerously." monday at 8:00 p.m. global warming, that big a deal? is it that big a deal? is itt has a scary name, global warming. how much of it is hype? >> well, if you look at the science what, they'll tell you is 97% of climate scientists believe that the plan set warming because of human-induced climate change. ice is melting, sea level rising. your beach home could be imperilled, as a result, among many other things. >> stephen: what! i have sunk some cash into my beach house, my friend. it's beachfront. >> is it in ohio? because that could be the beachfront you want in the future. >> stephen: wow. okay, you've got my attention. you've got my attention. what can we do about global warming because, you know, people say, okay, yeah, it

putin is a member of the same flat society that tom friedman wrote about. he's got to sell his goods. he also has made one in porton annex, sub setting. for people who don't remember the history, in 1954 crimea was part of russia. at that time, khrushchev decided to celebrate an event in ukrainian history by giving crimea to ukraine. a gift. in that nothing because the soviet union is never going to collapse at this point. so crimea ended up as part of ukraine produced 866% pression and a russian military base. them and absorb crimea back into russia last month, they also took a million and a half russian voters out of the ukrainian political system. if they observe three or four other cities in eastern ukraine that is not the demonstrating against the central government, they will take several million more russian voters away from the ukrainian politics and what will happen is you'll almost certainly ensure that the government depicted in these selections will be pro-e.u., pro-european union, pro-nato. so he is a complicated problem on his hands. >> is not