tom fuentes is with us law enforcement analyst, former assistant director of the fbi. tom, your analysis first of what we just saw. because we didn't see this before the other video that was shot by that private citizen. >> what we see here wolf is officer slager was completely professional. he walks up to the car, he courteously asks for the paperwork for the car, driver's license, he's having a discussion with scott about who owns the car and is he buying the car and trying to get information about it. he then goes back to the police car and you would think at that point he is running a record check on mr. scott, checking if he's got a valid driver's license, information about whether there are outstanding warrants for him. at a certain point, scott just decides he's not going to wait around for slager to return to that car. he just takes off on his own. so at no time do you see slager trying to provoke him or threaten him or act unprofessionally toward him. everything up til this point is a completely professional traffic stop. >> let me get marc morial to react. we

. >>> tom fuentes, thanks for that.ease stand by and we want your thoughts on a story coming up later in our hour. >> okay. >>> a police officer, keeping his cool, in a harrowing situation. take a look at this video. an officer refusing to shoot each as a double murder suspect is charging him. we will take a closer look at this video and hear why the officer chose not to fire. >>> plus, pete rose is back in baseball! sort of. most of the products we all buy are transported on container ships. before a truck delivers it to your store, a container ship delivered it to that truck. here in san diego, we're building the first one ever to run on natural gas. ships this big, running this clean, will be much better for the environment. we're proud to be a part of that. something we do to show resolve. to defend ourselves. to declare victory. so cvs health provides expert support and vital medicines. make a fist for me. at our infusion centers or in patients homes. we help them fight the good fight. cvs health, because health is

tom fuentes, you worked and cooperated with the italian authorities.here was a plot to bomb to u.s. embassy. >> in 2002 there were nine moroccans who were tunnelling under a very famous street in rome that the u.s. embassy is on that street, they for tunnelling to get to the basement of the embassy, then they were going to blow up the embassy. when that plot was uncovered, they were up on wire taps within 24 houshsr. it was an extensive investigation then they took the group of moroccans down. >> one of the terror experts today, they have him in a wiretap conversation saying he was directly sent over there to do this attack by bin laden himself before bin laden was killed. do you buy that? >> could be bravado. could be something else. the sequence is that bin laden wasn't communicating with a lot of people in the post-9/11 era. this has been mature fg a long time so it's not inconceivable. it may be the kind of thank you dell the fellow jihadis to increase your creed. >> that raises the question about the terror suspects now the custody. what kind of i

listen a degree with tom fuentes. hat tom said about the 800,000 or so officers around the country. it's an embarrassment for those officers. but i think as marc said and ben said those officers who see things that should not be happening, they see people who are planting evidence they see people who are discriminating or stopping people for no -- for the wrong reasons, they need to speak up. because not everyone at this point is wearing a camera and it can't all be caught on video. >> i want all of you to stand by. we're getting more information now about this shooting in south carolina. the murder case now that's unfolding against this fired police officer. >>> also what would it take for jurors to spare the life of the boston marathon bomber after convicting him of all the charges he faced today? i will ask our legal experts. so,as my personal financial psychic, i'm sure you know what this meeting is about. yes, a raise. i'm letting you go. i knew that. you see, this is my amerivest managed... balances. no. portfoli

let's talk about it with jonathan gilliam and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes.y s.e.a.l. when you look at this how scared they were because they just saw 147 people die at another university attacked by al shabaab, what does that tell you about what seems to be the lack of ability to get a handle on al shabaab especially in kenya right now? >> i don't know about the lack of ability to get a hold of them. i do think we should be in this area tactically a little bit more. our troops should be there assisting, i know that they're there, but they should be assisting at a greater level because this is the place where the actual group of al shabaab i think could be managed in this area and pushed back. i think, though, what you're seeing now as terrorists change their tactics and look at soft target you see the people reacting to this and i'd really like to know how the authorities reacted to this. i think that's just as important of the fact that people are realizing sheltering in place and kenya may not be a good idea. >> tom fuentes, when you look at how you handle

our justice reporter evan perez and law enforcement analyst, former fbi assistant director tom fuentess from new york our hln legal analyst, criminal defense attorney joey jackson. tom, one of the problems in this kind of situation, we have two eyewitnesses. one of whom says one thing, the other one says something else one says there was a tussle but it wasn't much of a tussle. the other one says they were both on the ground just before the shooting. what do you make of these contradictory eyewitness accounts? >> my opinion, i'm skeptical of the girl that came forward. first of all, if she was a serious witness, call the fbi. they will protect you. call the state police they will take care of that. to go to the media first is one clue that she might just want the attention. she completely contradicts santana's version and he's the guy taking the video. another reason why i think his version makes sense to me is that when you tase somebody they typically go to the ground for a short time. they are stunned for a few seconds, giving time for the officer to handcuff them get control. when

also joining me in los angeles, criminal defense attorney brian, and tom fuentes, former fbi assist cant directorant director. tom, let me get your reaction. you know the laboratories that do this research well. does this surprise you that they were banking on hair fiber evidence that it seems like large part of the time wasn't exactly a perfect match? >> no poppy, it does surprise me but, you know what happened is that this was -- this was determined that examinations from 1999 and before 1999 where hair examiners testified. they testified through microscopic analysis that matches where more certain, you know when they made these matches. starting in 2000 they had mitochondrial dna to do the examination to supplement microscopics so they no longer had to rely on it. this was a problem from 1999 and earlier and shortly after it was discovered the fbi teamed up with the innocence project to correct this to notify every prosecutor in every case that this had come up that some cases that were reported as matches were exaggerated basically. it was determined that no examiner deliberately gav

i think officers will buy into it because it protects them from liability, as well. >> do you, tom fuenteslieve that they change behavior? >> i think they probably do and some of the departments have reported that they see, you know, a decrease in violence involving police in many situations. i, you know, this could work both ways, though because the individuals on camera as well, and i think that once these things are really out there and deployed on a larger basis, i think it will be a backlash from the people right now who are asking for them, wait a minute, you're violating my privacy. people are going to see that police run into individuals that behave so badly that in many cases people aren't going to like what they see. >> but there are dash cameras, there are dash cameras. >> that's exactly right and the dash cameras have showed several instances of officers being gunned down the second they step out of their squad car when they make a traffic stop or a passenger or driver simultaneously jumping out and opening fire and you're right. the dash cams have shown some terrible things th

. >>> we want to bring in cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. tom, i understand you had been in some sort of a similar position as this gentleman is as you were watching the video. help us understand the thought process you have when you're confronted by somebody like that. >> well, you're trying to make a judgment about the entire situation, the entire threat that the person poses, and in this case, this officer who happened to be a marine corps veteran who served in iraq which probably gave him a little more confidence that he could maybe wait that extra split second and still be successful if the individual did draw and fire on him. i think that is the problem in this thing is you are talking about probably less than a tenth of a second for the time it would take for that individual to pull something out of his pants, pull a pistol out, let's say, and take a shot at that officer, the officer may only get one shot and may not even get that and it would have to be good enough to stop that person or he could be easily killed in nap it's a very di

. >> i want to bring in former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. to you, tom. >> good morning. >> good morning. in the piece, investigators say the mistake by the deputy going for his gun as opposed to the taser is called -- there is a name for it -- slip and capture. how common is it? >> it shouldn't be that common. i would like to know more about this incident. one of the things that will come up in this incident is how much training did that officer have in being able to distinguish between one and the other and what i'm getting at is that normally, as a former firearm instructor with police and former fbi instructor, you drill and drill and drill and draw and fire thousands of times so that it is a reflex. under extreme distress it's not something you think about. you know the difference. you carry the gun on one side and the taser on another. it's enough of a different grip and a different maneuver to pull one instead of the other. if you drill long enough, you know, you should pull the right weapon at the right time. however, a taser is not al

. >>> bring in the former fbi assistant director tom fuentes and cnn justice reporter evan perez.fishing, not unnecessarily a sophisticated attack, is it? >> it isn't. the malware inside the fishing amail was sophisticated according to investigators i've talked to and the belief was they were able to use these phishing e-mails to eventually get into a system's administrators credentials and take over their account essentially and use that to roam around the system. brian mentioned these hackers were in there for months probably before they did anything. >> testing to see -- >> how far they could go. wanted to know the system. get to know it before they did anything. >> makes it sound like almost all of these computer systems are vulnerable right now that tease kinds of attacks? >> they are absolutely vulnerable and what all authorities and security officials, the fbi, have been saying for many, many years. that you need the most sophisticated security. in this case even said the most security -- sophisticated system in the world swroun prevented the attack on sony. >> even if you'

we have cnn law enforcement analyst, former shift assistant director of the fbi, tom fuentes with us.ery vague or few details here, tom. why release this information? j say anything about it with no real form taking shape here? >> i agree. i'm not sure how this got out. they usually vie to avoid releasing such ambiguous threat information. the fbi director confirmed this publicly recently, there are active investigations in all 50 states right now with al qaeda or isis-inspired plots that are potentially under way or at least people are talking about conducting such a plot. so those investigates by the hundreds are ongoing. so why, all of a sudden, one, we hear chatter, we hear this or that, why that would get out like that? i really don't know. because if they have enough information to go after, they will go after that group. to put out there is chatter, there is always chatter and always discussion and always discussion people talk to each other worldwide and encryptive systems that cannot be tapped into. this is a constant drum beat of threats against the world, not just our count

and i have to disagree with tom fuentes. yes, certain times that are people that feign injury and that need to be dragged into a police van. but it is very clear in my mind when i look at this video that this is a man who is screaming in pain this is a man who is clearly injured. this is a man that doesn't have any strength in his legs. he's acting -- he looks like a ragdoll. and the suggestion that somehow, oh, my goodness he was perfectly fine but something must have happened in the van when he was by himself is sort of the explanation. and i think that that is -- it's just ridiculous and it looks to me as if the officers are using that as an excuse for what really happened here. it's a less-than-transparent investigation. >> i want both of you to stand by. we'll have much more coming up on this story. >>> also coming up another major story breaking right now, thousands of americans aboard these ships are prepared to block an approaching iranian fleet that might be carrying weapons. are they nearing a major showdown? we ha

i want to bring in tom fuentes a cnn law enforcement analyst, joining us washington. suspects are very young, but peter bergen reminds me they're not the first, unfortunately, there are a lot of young people now being engaged or enticed in this kind of terrorist or potential terrorist activity. how do you speesuppose these two in great britain may have been arrested? >> i think we're probably have the similar story that we've had with many of them they get on social media, they talk about it with friends or classmates put up postings look at videos and basically attract attention, which eventually gets to the attention of the authors and they are able to look into phone records and internet records and determine just how active they are and start the investigation and see if they're serious or if it's just all talk. >> but then, tom, it has to be more than just curious. there has to be specific language if it's by way of social media, that may have been conveyed by these young people or there has to be some actual activity right, before you could lead to charges like

women attempting to join isis with cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes.eing with us. >> good morning, christi. >> in both case this is week the accused women were really vocal about their support of isis getting on social needmedia to i guess let it be known. what do you make of the fact that they're so open about it? >> well i think that's exactly right. they want to let it be known that they have these intentions, this they're probably trying to rally others to consider doing the same thing on behalf of the cause. i think that's part of why they want to get on and also their undoing because it leads either friends of theirs to contact the fbi or the fbi to monitor the social sites and discover it on their own. you know that makes their undoing, basically. >> don't you know that? i just think it's odd that somebody you know who is smart enough to i guess want to try to make a plan about something will broadcast it on social media. don't they know that that's part of their unown doing? >> i think they get caught up in what they're trying to do and maybe d

here with me in washington is tom fuentes, our cnn law enforcement analyst, former fbi assistant director. tom, let's start with this dashcam video. it seems to be pretty routine, the initial decision to go ahead and stop the car, stop the vehicle and go to the car and ask the driver for some information. >> right, everything the officer does during that traffic stop is completely professional completely what you would normally do in that type of traffic stop. asks for the driver's license, asks for vehicle registration. and then go back to your car -- he's not doing paperwork in his car. he's checking on the license. has the car been reported stolen? checking on the driver's license. are there warrants outstanding for mr. scott? and before all that is completed and he returns to the car, mr. scott takes off running. >> do you see anything cedric anything wrong with the way the police officer -- the initial decision to go ahead and stop the vehicle because there was a faulty brake light, taillight? do you see anything wrong in this initial encounter before walter scott gets out of that ca

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joining me now with our thoughts on all of this, cnn law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes, and also former fbi assistant director, we should let you know, a very long resume of law enforcement knowledge. and then also, with the baltimore civil right's attorney, thank you so much for both of you being with me. i want to get your reaction from both of you, from the different perspectives that you've come from. the lightning fast way in which this report has now landed for the state's attorney office, really a week and a half since the death of freddie gray. and now, the state's attorney is supposed to somehow make sense of everything that the investigation has yielded. too fast, fast enough? >> well normally it would be, i'd say fast or too fast, but in this instance, with the public scrutiny and the national spotlight, i think they had to do the right thing by devoting as much attention to the resolution or at least the gathering effects. now the gathering of facts may not conclude all of the facts, but it's enough to give the state's attorney's office an initial review of terms of what the

>> i'm here with tom fuentes.afternoon but really that line that protesters created between themselves and police helped. they call it a love line. we saw community members talking with police officers trying to coordinate everything to make sure tensions didn't raise high. tom and i were talking about this a short time ago, the idea that community plays an integral role in this. talk about that yesterday as you watched everything unfold? >> i think as i watched it what we have to start with is all day seeing a stream of additional police officers and military vehicles. when the national guard arrived these are soldiers. these aren't police looking like soldiers. these are soldiers that have been in combat? iraq and afghanistan. even though they were [ inaudible ] out of sight i think [ inaudible ] it was clear that what occurred op monday would not be tolerated again on tuesday. the police, which were measured, they would ax extremely professional, which they did, but if things went badly, like monday, and buildi

"out front" now, former assistant fbi director, tom fuentes and also cnn law enforcement analyst. ribing saying basically the homeland security chief, jeh johnson said this too if it is flying too low, they can't see it. if it is flying slow it is harder to see. that just seems hard to believe. it is stunning right? of course that's the first thing you do you just fly in low. >> that's right, erin. what's astonishing about what secretary johnson has said he has basically announced to any copycat out there or anyone else with even worse intentions that if you do it this way, we can't stop you. you're flying too high to be stopped on a traffic stop or a roadblock or even a red light camera for that matter. you are not high enough to come up on our regular radar. so right in between, you can fly all around d.c. tour the monuments, do what you want and we can't stop you, we can't see you on radar, and if we did see you, i don't have any idea what they would do about it. and the new solution that's being proposed with blimps in the air, what will they do? even if you have these blimp in

of course they're tracing back to see where that phone call originally came from wolf. >> tom fuentesorcement analyst. they got to take -- when somebody calls in a bomb threat especially to the statue of liberty, where thousands of tourists want to go. we see those people there. tourism has been disrupted by this. but local law enforcement, they have to take a call-in bomb threat seriously. >> absolutely. in this case you have a large number of people in a concentrated area visiting the stoot chew of liberty. they have to take it seriously these days. >> and if there's a -- bomb-sniffing dogs go in. there can be false positives. >> dog handlers will disagree with me but from my experience they're not 100% reliable. it can be a false positive where they indicate there is explosive material and there isn't, or vice versa. the dogs can only work so many hours. they get fatigued. we just don't know. many times they're unreliable. >> so we're going to check back with deborah and tom. stand by for that. we're also waiting for the start of that news conference in baltimore. the mayor getting

cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes there with me earlier.ch is interesting, he thinks that these kinds of videos the dash cam, the surveillance body camera video being released now because police are trying to be he says more transparent with the public. >> the virgin islands officials are searching for more vacationers who may have been exposed to a deadly pesside. this is coming after an american family fell gravely ill in their villa. teresa divine and steves esman of delaware are recovering. their two teenage sons are fighting for their lives. cnn's sarah began nam went to the virgin islands to see what she could learn about this mysterious pes stiside. >> two teenagers still in a coma after exposed to a deadly pes sta side on spring break with their family. cnn has learned the same chemical likely illegally used multiple times according to government officials. governor ken map told us even his own condominium complex was fumigated with it without his knowledge in 2013. >> what these companies did or have been appear to have been doing

so let's bring in cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. good morning. >> good morning, joe. >> in miguel's story, apparently we hear the walmart employee told police she gave ammunition to valencia because he was going to break the display case. so, do you think it's good policy to give this guy ammo because of concerns that it might damage the merchandise? >> no, i think that's not. but if in any way she was afraid of him or thought he was going to do something to her, you know, it's a strong-arm robbery or if he's got the ammo, it's an armed robbery. it's a difficult circumstance for the clerk to be in with someone threatening to take a violent action. >> but it's weird. from what i could tell, the charge was shoft p lifting. do you think they could have gotten away with a little more law here? >> well, absolutely. they could call it what it is. it is a robbery. it's dangerous when in the course of the robbery, you acquire a high-power pumping rifle and then go on the street with that rifle loaded. absolutely. but the terminology they use

joining me to talk about this joey jackson, legal analyst and former defense attorney and tom consequent fuentesetter legal analysis on this but it's my understanding if you're in a public place, a public sidewalk on the street and you're using your camera and your smartphone to record police action, as long as you're not interfereing with that action directly or obstructing it or endangering somebody by doing that you're allowed to do that. i think that from the appearances of this i think the marshals need to do a better job of explaining the situation and what they're doing. >> joey this woman hired a civil rights attorney because she says her constitutional right to film was violated. is that true? >> police have a very difficult job. we know that carol. stresses run high. apparently in this particular incident they were involved. the police department u.s. marshals were involved and interagency task force to get bikers who we were looking for. we get that. however, tom fuentes says it's your first amendment right. you want to sit there. you want to film. you want to do anything. if you're i

joining us cnn analyst tom fuentes, former fbi assistant director. joey jackson and cedric alexander president of the national observation blach law enforcement executives and serves on president obama's task force on 21st century policing. cedric what's your reaction to these reports and do communities really need to be concerned about these so-called volunteer reserve officers who go out on the streets and obviously this is an extremely dangerous situation. >> yes. absolutely. everyone should be concerned. i think the important piece here is wolf they really need to find those records, if there ever were records, but they certainly need to prove there are some records, some training and some certification, which is so essential to this case. because if those records are not plowed, it produced it just continues to create this cloud of suspicion and certainly does begin to separate and create some extreme concerns for communities across this country and for police officers, such as mr. bates there. >> because, as you know there are a lot of reports

. >> tom fuentes, stand by are for us. much more breaking news out of baltimore straight ahead.omething we do to show resolve. to defend ourselves. to declare victory. so cvs health provides expert support and vital medicines. make a fist for me. at our infusion centers or in patients homes. we help them fight the good fight. cvs health, because health is everything. >>> breaking news out of baltimore. this was moments ago. even now before the sun has set we are seeing protesters gather there very angry over the death of freddie gray who passed away in police custody. you're seeing what was peaceful protests have now become -- we've seen some violence. some arrests and a the lot of scuffles between police and protesters there. we are monitoring the situation where you see these tensions flair between protesters and police. so stand by for more on that. right now i want to go back to senator lindsey graham. we're talking about this breaking news we're following. president obama apologizing for what's believed to be the first time the u.s. accidentally killed hostages in a drone s

. >>> let's bring in cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. tom, good to see you this morning.irst of all, how significant is the police commissioner admitting to these procedural failures? >> good morning, christi. i think it's huge. i think that he's going to be accepting liability that procedures weren't followed that led to at least if not injuring him in the first place, making injuries even worse. the part about not buckle be him in the way he was treated in the van. the fact that they didn't call for help even on the street before the van arrived to carry him. these are pretty important admissions on the part of the police commission tore say that. >> deputy police commissioner kevin davis said as we talk about this van that there were three stops made on the way to the station. the first step of mr. gray was placed in leg irons. and the second time the driver stopped and i'm quoting to deal with mr. gray and the facts of that interaction are still under investigation. a week later now, why would we not have more information about that? >> i don't know. we should have mo

tom fuentes, former assistant director of the fbi and our cnn law enforcement analyst. tom, i've got to say, i'm sure viewers watching here in the united states and around the world are asking a basic question -- what where's the police force? where is the national guard? why is this happening? in the city of baltimore? they advertised hours ago that these protestors were going to take vile lntviolent action. what's going on? >> back to ferguson police were criticized if they come out in force, wearing military gary, looking mean. baltimore made a deliberate attempt to keep that down. keep that militarization look down and they were out there the other night in street shirts with no helmets and i was criticizing that as being unsafe. so i think now they're finally realizing that when you have gangs on the streets threatening the police the time for being nice and not putting on protective gear is over. it's time to protect nobel yourself -- not only yourself but the community. these are businesses. people need their personal property and persons protected and that's not

. >> i want tom fuentes to come in on. this. reason they didn't rush to the cvs that were being looted they were afraid that there were 13 14 15-year-old juveniles there. you don't want to hurt young kids like that. but in the stricts that evan pointed out, there were 235 arrests and most of them were not juveniles. they were people 18 to 30 years old and only maybe 15 or 20 were juveniles. >> and even if they were juveniles, so what? are you going to let juveniles burn businessesing with loot? i don't care if they're five years old. if they're in a position to do that that needs to be stopped. we're talking about a handful of teenagers overwhelmed one of the biggest police departments in the country? i don't buy it. >> how about the number just watching cnn, you could see those were not juveniles burning down the buildings and looting the cvs. those were grown ups. >> so jeffrey toobin what you're saying is the commissioner was wrong when he didn't send in the troops send in the police to deal with it because he was told that t

also here in washington is tom fuentes, our senior law enforcement analyst. cedric, first of all, how important is that dash cam video that may be released as early as today? what's taking sko long for authorities to release it? >> well, the reason why they may be taking them a while quite sure they want to take a very good look at it process the information that's on it tie it in with the piece of video that we all been watching for the last number of days. and i think it's going to be important for them to be as detailed as possible because whenever they do release that piece of video, it certainly may raise some questions or some doubts in regards to what occurred. but it's going to have to be pretty dramatic to be honest with you, wolf to change what we just saw happen in that shooting. that would have to be pretty dramatic information. >> tom i think he's right. because as we heard from christina, the reporter we just spoke to, she says that it may show the beginning of the conversation going on between these two individuals, the police officer, michael

this is exactly the way they're doing it in government systems. >> tom fuentes whashgs's the fbi role in this? >> they'll be running the investigation trying to see what kind of penetration, how it was done where it was done from. but don't forget here that the person that perpetrated the biggest penetration ever of u.s. government systems is sitting in russia, snowden. you know, whether he provided assistance to the russian government in getting into our systems or just a general type of stuff he's leaked out over time the last few years enabled somebody to have a pathway to get into the system. >> i'm sure there's a lot of nervousness going on. bob bair the director of national security james clapper said this that hearing the threat more severe than previously assessed. is this why you think? because clearly officials in of the u.s. government were aware of this russian activity for some time. >> well wolf you have to look at the whole picture here and the russians are possessing us everywhere, whether it's on our air defenses, whether it's in the ukraine, europe norway. they certa

to wait and see but it will be a very very messy battle. >> and speaking of bad guys al shabab tom fuentesnow what happened at that university in kenya, nearly 150 students had been separated, muslims, christians they took the christians slaughtered the christians and they now say, they are saying this is just the beginning, kenyan cities they say, will run red with blood. are they really capable of doing this inside kenya? >> absolutely. only takes a couple guys. they just did this with four people and killed 150 students at that university. i mean here in our country, virginia tech one guy with two pistols kills 32 people. doesn't take much to go in and create a slaughter. >> what are you hearing about what's going on in kenya right now? because it sounds awful. >> no question. the irony here is that al shabab has actually been losing ground and territory and power in its power base of somalia, but it's maintained this ability to strike out outside the country and that's become more public. this was an internally focused group until a couple years ago. of course the westgate mall and now

we have miles o'brien and tom fuentes as well as a former united airlines pilot.recorder very much like this one we have here on set, this flight data recorder. this is one of the -- the second one just like this a second data recorder has been found, david soucie. one of the questions we had was, will this tell us what position the cockpit door lock was in from this data recorder? you have different options. it could be open or unlocked which it would not be in the air. you would expect. unless while the captain was leaving. it could be locked but still then accessible by a code. it could be locked and inaccessible through a code. are we going to learn that? >> all of those things that you discussed are things the co-pilot would have had to do from the inside of the cockpit. this is a retrofit aircraft. the door was not initially installed in the aircraft. i doubt there will be a channel on that flight data recorder that would record the position of the switch. on later models i believe it is in that. but this is say retrofit. i don't think that's going to be in

nypd retired detective harry houk and cnn analyst and director tom fuentes. thank you. harry, we start with the obvious. cops out of control? >> no. we've seen a couple instances in the last year here i wouldn't say out of control. we have millions and millions of interactions with police officers every year. and this is only about four or five different problems that we've had. >> now, tom fuentes, numbers bear out what harry just said. there's like 69 million contacts with people. and i have all these stats and graphs show excessive force is about at most about 1.5% and that it's down over the years. but then when we see these cases and we see that often police forces try to excuse the behavior it does feed the suspicion that there's a culture of excess. how do you see it? >> well i see, chris, that several of these incidents have been blown so far out of proportion as to be ridiculous. and what the bottom line is with many of these is individuals failing to comply with a lawful order from the police. whether it's that they're under arrest whether it's stay in your ca

. >>> let's bring in tom fuentes, peter goelz and the clinical neuropsychologist gary kay. cockpit doors, researching suicide, how to commit suicide, if you will. it all seems so premeditated. >> it does. it seems pretty unnecessary. he should have known that the cockpit door would be virtually impenetrable. it's common knowledge without being a pilot. and then ways to commit suicide, given the way he did, how much research did that take? >> he clearly didn't only want to kill himself, he wanted to kill everybody else on the plane. >> he knew there were people behind him. he was organized, alert, oriented. he was able to communicate with the captain, go through security, everything showed that he was with it that day. >> he didn't know -- it was a two-hour flight they were on. he didn't know the pilot, the lead pilot would have to go to the bathroom midway through an hour into that flight. what would have happened if he wouldn't have gone to the bathroom? would he have waited for another flight? >> i don't think we know. obviously, he had been studying what to do. this was

. >> tom fuentes, should a reserve deputy, a volunteer, if you will be involved in a sting operation nature? >> no. i don't think so wolf. and i think that's why probably the department is being so defensive because this is a management decision that they put somebody out there. now, they may have serious budgetary constraints like other law enforcement agencies and want to use reserves but in this actual situation, with a potentially dangerous arrest of a subject selling guns no, i don't think it should be anybody but a full time police officer and i think the fact that the department put that person in the position is why they're defending themselves now? what do you think marc morial. >> one thing interesting he's the sheriff's sugar daddy and is provided free trips and all sorts of eethings to the sheriff and that's the reason why he has this special status as a reserve deputy. clearly the department is going to be on the hook for negligence for -- i agree with tome -- a poor management decision to place a reserve deputy in the line of fire in a sensitive law enforcement situatio

even the mayor of this city is questioning the probable cause in the freddie gray case. >> tom fuentesn the scene there, you're a former police officer. what have you seen in baltimore for the whole day? >> reporter: most of the day, i've talked to maryland state trooper, members of the national guard and baltimore police including a commander out in front of the cvs store this afternoon. and they've said that the entire strategy for tonight is going to be similar to last night, trying to have a very measured disciplined response with the idea that the troopers and the guardspeople are in the background and can be called out if violence comes up but that they're not going to tolerate what happened monday night where properties are burned and businesses looted and 20 police officers injured and going to the hospital. but they're trying to be very very measured and low key tonight. >> sunny, i know you're friendly with the mayor and you've pointed that out to us. tell us why she felt it was necessary to apologize for using the word "thugs" in describing some of those violent rioters, the

thanks very much will ripley. >>> with us right now miles o'brien and tom fuentes.r apologized today. does he need to step down? >> i don't think he has much of a choice. i think it's inevitable given his previous statement that he had a pilot in lubitz who was 100% perfectly fit to fly. nothing in life is 100%. that will stick with him and come to haunt him. the larger request,what's to become of germanwings? is this a valuejet where they won't survive? >> valuejet was the airline that the plane crashed into the potomac in washington and that ended that relatively -- >> it was actually -- >> go ahead. >> it was the everglades crash. also an airline that -- similar scenario low-cost airline, difficulties that were linked back to management not keeping an eye on the ball. >> you are right air florida was here in washington. the leaks have been amazing, of course. now we're told that the head -- the head of the bea, the french investigator arm, like the -- like we have here in the united states that they have actually -- police have been questioning the head of the be

tom fuentes, what do you make of this?'t sure i could see exactly when the tasing started in that. but what i see is yet another example of somebody that resists arrest doesn't comply with the police forces them to force him out of the car and place hands on him. and nothing good is going to come of that. but when you have officers wrestling with somebody on the ground it's very difficult to bend a person's arms back behind him to handcuff him. i think that's why they wanted to tase him to stun him for a second so they could do that. i couldn't tell exactly when that tasing happened. but yet again someone fails to comply a lawful order to get out and be taken into custody. bad things happen. >> and joey jackson is joining us or criminal defense attorney hln legal analyst. you heard the police officer say we're asking you nice please come out of the car. he refuses to come out of the car. and we all saw what happened afterwards. what is your analysis? >> it's always important to comply now and grieve later. however, the cri

tom fuentes, your reaction?t. it may be bad news for a lot of people. >> pamela brown, what else are you hearing? >> well we learned of course today that there was previous yesly undisclosed stop a fourth stop. and sources that we've been speaking with say that could be significant in helping put the pieces of the puzzle together. the key could be not only the medical examiner's report but also the van driver. we're told there wes un gishl inside that van, that was the driver. there's a lot of unanswered questions about what happened at that stop how long was it what was the purpose of it. and people are going to be asking these questions until we know the answers. >> and the investigations clearly continue. the pressure is in the hands of the state's attorney. she's got a lot of work ahead of her. the community is clearly moving in the right direction by all accounts. but there's still tengs as we all know. that's why the curfew remains in effect and the national guard personnel remain on the scene. that's it f

also with me the former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. ben, let me start with you to try to understand this a little bit more. the bottom line is you knew about this your paper knew about this you've been chronicling this. you alerted them the government. were you surprised that mr. hughes got so close and no one tried to stop him until he was on the ground? >> let me just correct you on one thing, erin. we alerted the secret service and the capitol police when he was in the air. >> when i was in the air, not before? okay. >> right. his flight time was expected to be depending on his tail wind, an hour or so. but beyond that the secret service we know interviewed him and a co-worker who knew about the plan a year ago. and doug told me they seemed satisfied that he was nonviolent. his intention was never to hurt anybody. he wanted to deliver the mail as he said. and you can see that gyro plane is transparent. it's wide open weighs about 250 pounds. it may look like a helicopter but that rotor on top only spins when wind is blowing. it's no

. >> what does it say to you, tom fuentes? >> well wolf what it says to me as the investigation goes forward, you know pieces of information come up that the police don't have on day one or day five or ten that that's why they're out canvassing. probably have a lot of people private businesses with security cameras where the owner, if he doesn't looking out the window may not have a clue what's on his camera. sop later, when the police come knocking and want to the review security cameras, then they see that not only police van stopped in front of the business but that police van. so i don't see anything sinister that they didn't know this right away. these kind of things take time in a major investigation. and they have 50 detectives working on that. >> let me get sonny's take on it sonny. >> well i have to disagree with tom. i think perhaps there is that specter that is somewhat sinister because we know at least five out of six officers including the person that drove the van, did give statements to the police. so the fact n

. >> i'm joined by tom fuentes and donna sanders.s is a picture that inspired hope in baltimore. a small boy giving police officers bottles of water on the streets. this is what's needed in the city. i'm joined by these two extraordinary people right now. we saw protesters face to face with members of the law enforcement community but cops handled it. tell me what you saw and what it means now for where we are going forward. >> i think the difference was that monday night the police said we can only do one or the other, protect property or protect people. we don't have enough officers on the street to do both. and so the property was looted and some set on fire and fire trucks took a bombardment and fire hoses cut. all day yesterday there were many thousand additional police arrived and national guard soldiers arrived and they were in the background ready to back up the police. yesterday was a measured, professional police response with assistance from community leaders and clergy in the community and police were able to be more meas

and also joining us we have clinical psychologist ramani durvasula and tom fuentes. david, let's start with these new images from the crash site. give us a sense as we see these tiny pieces some are large pieces of the fuselage. but so many are just small ones. the -- tell us about the difficulty of recovery of a scene like this. >> it's incredibly difficult to be able to move, to inspect. you have to respect the dignity of any passenger remains that might still be there. so to be able to just go in there and haul things away. to add to the complexity, these things had to be documented. they're moving them and taking them away from their resting place. how it rests is important information to have. that's all documented to rebuild the case of how the aircraft went in although we know the cause at this point, what made the go in. information about how that aircraft sustained and survived certain pieces will help engineers in the future to make better aircraft and improve this model as well. >> let's talk about this recording. the alleged recording, i should say, of th

it was tom fuentes who pointed out. now there are people in that neighborhood who lost that job because cvs is now gone. this comes just hours after freddie gray, the black man who died after suffering a spinal cord injury in custody was laid to rest. miguel marquez is on the phone from baltimore. we saw him moments ago. we saw because of the situation there, transmission is a little iffy. miguel is seeing heavy looting going on. miguel where are you and what are you seeing? >> we're about four blocks from where we were before on north avenue, where pressman and pennsylvania avenue. pennsylvania is the main avenue that cuts from west baltimore right down into the inner harbor and the very touristy areas of the city. i'm staring at a liquor store that is being looted now. the window in front is smashed out. people jumping out with boxes and bottles of whatever they want. stores all along this area being looted. i'm looking at police two blocks away watching the looters do all of this and not establish any control. the po

i want to bring in former fbi assistant director and cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. wuching this unfold what are you observing, tom? >> jake what i think is happening over several days a almost an intimidation of police.police they've been afraid -- too many police out there -- afraid to put body armor or helmets on because it looks mean. afraid to use armored cars for protection because it looks militarized and are now in a position where they're weak and not really able to make the arrests that they need to make right now for people that are throwing bottles and bricks and other debris at them. i think now we see them trying to catch up and wait for more backup police to arrive and to suit up and be prepared to make tactical maneuvers to make arrests. i think the police have allowed the narrative of how mean they are and how all of this is their fault, i think they've taken it a little too far and have not protected the community. >> tom, i wanted to get your reaction to something that the mayor of baltimore, mayor stephanie rawlings-blake said over the weekending a

pushback on me if chris cuomo does this and he hires grandville you know to represent him, i feel like tom fuentesthe part of law enforcement's got plenty of answers by now. tom, plenty of answers. if you control the universe of possibility because they're all your officers involved and they're talking about me we'd have answers. we don't have them here. how do you explain it? >> the officers have a long time before they have to give any type of statement. >> they gave statements on the 12th. yes, this bill of rights that you have in maryland gives them ten days to get council. but they gave statements on the 12th five of the six guys. so that means the cops have those statements. >> but you got to understand the statements that the officers get are different than a defendant statement that you get. they get to sit down they get to talk to their attorneys, they get to get their story together and tell their side of the story. they weren't asked questions by officers like other defendants that are -- that have homicide cases. and they don't like to them and those officers when someone's charged wit

. >> cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes is on the phone with us right now. all right. so tom, this case had a very detailed federal surveillance. the feds apparently have been watching booker since his comments on facebook last year when he called killing in jihad a, quote adrenaline rush and now the second arrest of a 28-year-old who apparently knew of his alleged plan. what does this tell you about the detail of this alleged plot? >> well, it tells me how much the intent was there on this part to conduct this attack. actually it wasn't the fbi that monitored the facebook account. a private citizen called the fbi and said that they had seen these postings and were disturbed and notified the fbi to look into it and the investigation started a year ago in march 2014. so the fbi went and interviewed him and, you know, said are you serious? because these cases are nuisance nuisance. the fbi has hundreds of cases where people are putting out the postings and they don't know if they're just bragging or not. they actually go check them out. and so here he knew the fbi was loo

and tom fuentes is a cnn law enforcement analyst and a former fbi assistant director. gentlemen, thanks so much for being here to help us walk through this new dash cam video. it does raise questions. tom, basically it starts with mr. scott being pulled over by a police officer for a broken taillight. and in fact he does have a broken taillight awe we now see in the video. and the police officer walks up to the side of the car. i mean i think we can all relate to this next moment. license and registration. how many of us have been there. then at that point, the driver says i do have my license. but i don't have the registration. or the insurance card for the car. because i'm in the process of buying it. and there's some confusion during this conversation about whether mr. scott has already bought the car or whether he hasn't bought the car. what's remarkable tom, when i watch this is how unremarkable this whole exchange is. and the police officer doesn't seem to be particularly agitated or aggressive. what do you see as a law enforcement officer when you watch this? >>

and tom fuentes is a cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director.o have both of you with us here this morning to look at the police report versus what we see on the eye witness cell phone. first, on the police report, mo it says that around 9:30 a.m. on saturday officer slager pulled over a car for a routine traffic stop. then a foot chase ensued. we don't see that on the video. for some reason there was a foot chase. the driver took off running. and the police officer gave chase. then apparently there's no description of this in the police report. but the witness says there was a struggle on the ground. there was a tussle of some kind. now, in the police report this is what happens next. the police report says that the suspect took the taser, here's what he called in to 911. shots fired and the subject is down. he took my taser. here's what the video shows. you don't see mr. scott with the taser, but you do see the officer dropping something that looks like the taser near mr. scott's lifeless body. what do you see in these discrepancies, mo? >> sur